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POS	Aviva Premiership	PLAYED	WON	DREW	LOST	P F	P A	P D	T F	T A	TBP	LBP	POINTS
1	Leicester Tigers	12	11	0	1	305	248	+57	33	22	0	1	45
2	Harlequins	12	9	0	3	304	276	+28	33	28	1	3	40
3	Newcastle Falcons	12	9	0	3	302	270	+32	31	22	0	3	39
4	Sale Sharks	12	7	0	5	304	280	+24	33	27	1	5	34
5	Northampton Saints	12	6	1	5	311	284	+27	34	28	2	5	33
6	London Irish	12	6	0	6	301	293	+8	32	30	2	6	32
7	Gloucester	12	6	0	6	289	290	-1	31	31	0	4	28
8	London Welsh	12	5	1	6	273	266	+7	28	24	0	6	28
9	Bath Rugby	12	5	0	7	277	293	-16	25	32	0	5	25
10	London Wasps	12	2	0	10	247	294	-47	21	33	0	8	16
11	Worcester Warriors	12	2	1	9	252	308	-56	21	33	0	4	14
12	Saracens	12	2	1	9	248	311	-63	21	34	0	4	14

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.

Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.

Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

Domestic (other AP Teams)
Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

Domestic (Championship and below)
Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

Foreign
To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.

Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million

If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.

by Sgt_Pooly Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:19 pm

POC & Ferris had poor seasons with injury, might never fully come back for long. Only positive is they have been different injuries. Both Ferris & POC had cracking seasons last and a good run.

Hartley was winding me up again at weekend. Saints scrum under cosh all game yet Hartley supposed to be this big scrummager. Saints props get push on and Hartley pops up every time, such poor technique. Such an overrated player.

by **Ozzy3213** Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:19 pm

I spoke to a Munster fan who works in rugby over there pretty recently and he said that POC will stay, but they will never get more than 2/3 games out of him on the trot and he will have to be managed. He said he wouldn't be surprised if he only really ever plays Heineken Cup matches in the future, with maybe 1 or 2 Rabo games a season to keep him in shape.

by Sgt_Pooly Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:20 pm

It worked for Ferris last season, hardly played a Rabo game.

by Guest Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:26 pm

Ferris been out less than 6 weeks pooly. Can understand POC being managed. Happens with lots of older players. Worry is now its his back and they are debilitating.

Worry with POC is loss of athleticism due to injury. Line out so dynamic these days.

POC is a line out stealer which is all about dynamism. Saw an article about how poor Englands line out is in terms of stealing ball. We very rarely steal a ball. SA lost zero line outs in the autumn and stole loads.

Croft allows us to steal and play lawes and launchbury as a partnership

by Guest Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:28 pm

Benefit of central contracts.
Rabo terrible and often does not feature big names. All about heino and internationals same as England cricketers.

We could do with central contracts in a similar vein but as a glos fan would not except it.

by **Ozzy3213** Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:32 pm

POC's whole game is based around his athleticism and dynamism and the injuries that he has had, in particular this back one will seriously hinder that. He is nowhere near the player he was in 2009 and will not get back to near that level.

by Sgt_Pooly Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:37 pm

Ferris hasn't played much Matt, it might be 6 weeks from last injury but he was only just back. Similar to POC, he was just back before getting injured.

Parling great reader but needs backup. Croft gives us a good light front jumper.

SA lineout is immense though, they had Kruger running it and Etzebeth/Vermuelen who are fantastic jumpers as well as Alberts who's handy.

Front - Etzebeth
Middle - Kruger
Back - Vermuelen

Is a world class lineout unit and prob the best defensive unit about at the minute.

by Sgt_Pooly Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:38 pm

I thought POC was fantastic last season. He's trimmed down and gained a carrying game, thought he was looking better than 2009 personally.

by **Ozzy3213** Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:44 pm

I can only recall POC having 1 game last season where he was at his 2009 level and that was against Saints in the Heino (R6 I think, was at Milton Keynes), and the whole Munster pack bossed Saints in that game.

by Guest Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:01 pm

Croft wood and launch gives great options. Also a wood croft Morgan launch lawes
Back 5 gives us more carrying and top athleticism.

by dammit_chris Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:05 pm

That would make some pack - throw in Corbs, Hartley and Cole and by 2015 we could have one of the best packs in the world again.

Especially with Youngs, Marler, Vunipola coming through in the front row - still not a great number of second rows coming through though!

Wonder if they will try and convert Burns to a 12 - looked class there at the weekend.

by Guest Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:06 pm

Pooly when he played he was great though.
Basically he is a 15 game a year player.

When he is fit best player about but when injured its a big one. Can see
Him playing tests and HC only and a few cameos in Rabo. So vital to Ireland lions and ulster. Immense in big games

by Guest Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:10 pm

I have played against mako and billy randomly. They played with their dad when far too young for bris Saracens.

Personally Mako is too fat but like billy this is easy sorted.

Robson could be great bench and maybe with Robshaw as Backrow replacement it looks good.

Not sure about youngs as back up hooker his line out worried
me and scrum not great unless with Corbs and cole.

Battle between Corbs and marler will be immense in future

by stnick88 Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:55 am

Chris burns played the last 25 mins at 10 on Saturday and was immense. Didn't do much when playing 12. Moving him to 10 changed the game.

by Steven_Sharks Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:58 am

Gloucester should stick with Burns at 10 and 36 at 12. Great combo. Get trinder in at 13 and there is the makings of an England midfield.

by dammit_chris Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:17 am

I remember reading an article where Freddie Burns was saying he was worried about how good his younger brother was at no10 and saying that he hoped he wouldnt have to move to 12 because of him!

Must be some player!

Mako is quite a lard, but amazingly he has dropped a load of weight during the summer - also has the best side step I have seen from a prop!

Billy Vunipola is a different player this year, keeping AJ and Haskell out of the no8 shirt. Could be some player if he keeps on improving, I know that Young has said that he thinks him, Wade, Daly are definite future England players and has been priasing Sam Jones too. Do like Vunipola, England do need a few more players in that position to come through.

by stnick88 Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:30 am

Think BV could be an England player in the next couple of years.

Dont think too much of Sam Jones, cant say he has really caught the eye when Ive watched.

Daly looks good but there is a lot of good young players in similar positions.

by dammit_chris Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:41 am

Daly is getting better and better each week, it's been good to see that Young has given the youngsters a lot more opportunity this year and BV, Daly and Wade are all definite first choice now.

Daly's try against Exeter a week or two ago was quality.

Simpson has been playing well again too - making a huge difference to his game playing behind a pack that doesnt always go backwards.

Jones is a good player, but needs to bulk up as isn't big enough for a no8, but plays 6 and 7 well. Trouble is he doesnt get a look in when we've had Launch, BV, Poff, Haskell etc as first choice backrowers.

by stnick88 Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:02 pm

Where is Dalys best position?

by dammit_chris Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:08 pm

Definitely 13, made the shirt his own there now. But has stepped in at 15 very well and has enough gas to play on the wing too.

This is his try from last week - Wasps do have some great attackers in the backline!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvvXM3boQAY

by Steven_Sharks Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:24 pm

Jones looked good but development stalled.

by dammit_chris Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:31 pm

Trouble is Steve that WAsps recruited big names in the backrow, so he was never going to get ahead of AJ, Haskell, Poff - and with Vunipola improving too he was always going to suffer.

Very clever backrower though, reckon it will take him a couple of seasons to come through. Our problem at Wasps is that we have a truly awful 'A' team where we have at most 10 regular Wasps players and the rest of the squad is made up of loans from London Scottish, Loughborough Uni and others who dont train with us and generally just turn up for the match.

Makes it impossible for guys like Jones to improve as we get 30+ point hammerings week after week!

by stnick88 Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:32 pm

Problem is he is behind Tuilagi and Joseph so cant ever see him really playing 13 for England.

Looks a good prospect though.

I really hope Joseph doesnt go to Bath. Am resigned to him leaving Irish but would like to see him to go somewhere better. Leicester or Quins.

by dammit_chris Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:35 pm

Is JJ leaving Irish? Didn't know that, would be a shame - wouldn't like Sarries to try and get him either.

No idea how Sarries are within the salary cap - or Bath, espc with Louw, Donald on their books!

by stnick88 Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:42 pm

Joseph and Corbisiero will most definitely leave.

Garvey, Gibson, Lahiff and Watson are also out of contract next summer but think they might stay.

Dark times for Irish!

by Sgt_Pooly Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:00 pm

Is your pay is relative to performance Donald can't be on more than £3.40 a year

by Fluxy Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:16 pm

Could we see all of these sign up to the Falcon Revolution Whistle

For once, we would be taking talent off other teams!

by Driver Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:20 pm

Been linked to a few players flux. I know they are talking to Joe Duffrey

by Steven_Sharks Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:25 pm

Would love JJ to go to Leicester, providing that moved Manu to 12.

by Fluxy Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:26 pm

I'm not surprised, although a bit early really. There could still be a slip up in the play offs, but the would be a major slip up!

by Fluxy Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:27 pm

He wouldn't be too out of place at Saints or Chiefs perhaps?

Outside Naqa could do wonders for him

by Steven_Sharks Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:31 pm

Chiefs unlikely to be able to afford him.

Saints likely to sign Corbs I understand. Probably need a 10 and a winger before they go for 13

by Sgt_Pooly Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:32 pm

I doubt Tigers would be interested in JJ with their midfield.

by Fluxy Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:34 pm

I wouldn't be so sure, they could do with someone like him to set there back line off I reckon. Would fit in to Baxter's mentality of slowly building and adding quality.

Saints sounds like the best destination for Corbs.

by Steven_Sharks Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:36 pm

Any club in the Europe would be interested in JJ in their midfield.

by Fluxy Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:38 pm

Agreed, but there should be an extra effort to keep him in the country. We don't want to go down the road the Welsh players have decided to take

by dammit_chris Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:38 pm

Saints have Pisi, so would imagine they wouldn't go near JJ - they desperately need a new no8. flyhalf and winger.

Tigers midfield is ridiculous in depth so you'd think they wouldn't need him and Cockerill wont move Tuilagi.

Would imagine most likely place would be Bath as they have a lot of money and would need a 13 more than the others, though Sarries seem to have a policy of trying to sign every English player going - they are supposedly after Billy Vunipola, would be a bad move for him I think.

Why are so many people leaving Irish Nick? Seems like you are going through a similar thing to Wasps a few years back.

by Sgt_Pooly Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:43 pm

by Sgt_Pooly Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:45 pm

Saints, Tigers and Quins don't need JJ, both Tuilagi and Pisi are better players and why sign a backup who you'll lose half the season with England?

Quins are also well stocked there with Lowe and Hopper on lower wages.

Only club I could see being after him is Bath

by dammit_chris Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:50 pm

He needs to be playing HC too, so would probably be a choice of:

Sarries - maybe, as they don't have an out and out top draw 13
Bath - they need a 13
Quins - as pooly says Lowe and Hopper already there
Tigers - no chance with Tuilagi/Tait
Saints - no chance with Pisi/Waldouck
Gloucester - wouldn't think so with Trinder/Tindall

Could only see him going to Bath or Sarries - both have the financial clout and a seemingly uncanny ability to sneak by the salary cap...there will be a big push from Tigers, Saints, Bath and Sarries soon to push this cap up again as wont be able to compete in the HC properly until they do as the AP is just too demanding throughout the season.

by Sgt_Pooly Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:57 pm

Yea Sarries would be a good call, Tomkins is shocking.

Barritt/JJ a good combo too

by Steven_Sharks Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:59 pm

not a huge fan of Pisi myself. Overrated for me. Would take JJ everytime.

by Sgt_Pooly Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:21 pm

Don't think there's a big gap but Pisi just has a bit more about him

by stnick88 Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:26 pm

He wouldnt go to Exeter.

Bath the most likely because Hatley is there who brought him through the academy.

Pisi/JJ is a tough call.

Sarries would destroy him!

Can understand why he wants to leave Irish tbh. We are a poor side this year. Smith has taken us so far backwards.

by Sgt_Pooly Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:18 pm

I'm a bit flush in the backrow so willing to lose one or two.

Kelly Brown, Juan Smith etc. English would need top draw EQ in another position.

by Guest Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:49 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Is your pay is relative to performance Donald can't be on more than £3.40 a year

Have you watched Bath this year. Donald outstanding. Seems to have figured how to play NH rugby. Was shocking last year. In bath at the moment sat opposite andy Robinson in a boozer. May ask him how he lost to tonga!!

He is always in the riflemens I don't come here often but have a 100% record of seeing him here

by Sgt_Pooly Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:55 pm

Give him a little clip Matt.

Yes I've seen Donald, makes me laugh every time I see him.

by Guest Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:25 pm

Donald one of baths best players this year. They play boring rugby and ask him to kick the leather off every ball but they are quietly effective.

I have billy burns in my academy. He is meant to be hot property but have a serious attitude problem.

by Steven_Sharks Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:32 pm

http://www.rugbyworld.com/news/blogs/moneyball-the-best-backrowers-in-europe/

Good set of stats for Easter and Tulou. Seymour a amazing tackler.

by SirJohnnyEnglish Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:42 pm

Good stats Steve Smile

Might throw Tulou and Pickles in together at some stage...

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