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Breaking News: Sale Sharks go into the top 4 for the first time this season after beating Worcester Warriors at home.

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 18 Dec 2012, 10:03 pm

My team of the year would be

1. Cian Healy
2. Adrian Strauss
3. Dan Cole
4. Eben Etzebeth
5. Nathan Sharpe
6. JM Fernandez-Lobbe
7. Richie McCaw
8. Kieran Read
9. Ruan Pienaar
10. Dan Carter
11. JP Pieterson
12. Wesley Fofana
13. Jonathan Davies
14. Julian Savea
15. Israel Dagg (ran close by Kearney in early year and Halfpenny latter half)


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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 18 Dec 2012, 10:04 pm

Youngs has had a couple of caps and only had 1 standout performance.

Best, Mealamu, Hore, Adrian Strauss, Richardt Strauss all been a million miles better over the year.

Tameifuna never once completed 80 minutes for Chiefs all season and isn't even in the AB squad.

Romano hasn't shaken off the challenge of Retallick for the 4 jersey, and Timani and Etzebeth were both better than him.

Robshaw has done well for England, but no NH back row would get in a team of the year this year.

North doing well in the Rabo (which in itself is debateable) is nowhere near a reason for him to be in a world team of the year. If you were picking it on Rabo form, Visser would be in ahead of him!
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Post by dammit_chris Tue 18 Dec 2012, 10:08 pm

More of a man crush on Giteau Driver - one of the players I'd always pay to watch. He had a cra p last season in s15 and for the Aussies as he just can't play alongside Cooper, two just don't mix.

He's been very good for Toulon this year, plays in pretty much every game for them and alongside Wilko they bring such good control to the team - has Habana been confirmed for them next year, as that is where Toulon tend to struggle a bit in the back three.

Along with Giteau I think BOD is my favourite player to watch, has been since he came on the scene with that hattrick in Paris.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 18 Dec 2012, 10:10 pm

Youngs in a team of the year is farcical. Same with Tameifuna.

Think Romano has been better than Timani overall this year. Big fan of Romano but not been better than Etzebeth.

Robshaw not really exceeded above average in a England shirt. Not out in a huge performance I don't think.

North a fine player but not in the team of the year.


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Post by dammit_chris Tue 18 Dec 2012, 10:11 pm

Probably have the same team as Steve's put out, but Conrad Smith at 13 instead of Davies.

How do people rate the Samoan no9? He always gets great write ups, but I think I've only seen him 2-3 times.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 18 Dec 2012, 10:11 pm

He is a good player but I've not seen a huge amount of him.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 18 Dec 2012, 10:15 pm

It's been a funny year really.

Positions like LH, Hooker, BS haven't seen any real dominant performances. I'd go like this with backup:

1. Healy - Woodcock
2. Best - BdP
3. Cole - Mas
4. Etzebeth - Maestri
5. Whitelock - Sharpe
6. Lobbe - Lydiate
7. McCaw - Hooper
8. Read - Picamoles

9. Smith - Parra
10. Carter - Cruden
11. Habana - Savea
12. SBW - Fofana
13. Smith - JD
14. JP - Cuthbert
15. Dagg - Kearney

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 18 Dec 2012, 10:22 pm

Players like Strauss, Kruger, Halfpenny, Pape etc run close but not quite reached the levels the others have I don't think.

Franks was close, he had a great first half of year but nothing more than steady the latter. Mas was the opposite, came into good nick come the AI. Jones & Alexander have been up and down a bit too but class acts.

LH is a complete toss up, if Corbs had have played a few more games he'd be nailed on.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 18 Dec 2012, 10:23 pm

I'd say JMF has been as much a standout as anyone. Been sublime!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 18 Dec 2012, 10:24 pm

Yea he's been great but not a out and out BS, more shoe horned in.

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Post by Fluxy Tue 18 Dec 2012, 10:34 pm

Not done too bad at 6 mind, just because he gets more ball in hand at 8 doesn't mean he isn't as effective elsewhere.

Romano for me does a lot of the dirty work like a blindside at the ruck for me. Retallick just has that aggression like Etze though.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 18 Dec 2012, 10:41 pm

Romano the way forward at 4. Retalick & Whitelock don't work well as a combo, you can see a massive difference in the scrum when Romano comes on.

Retilick is a bit like a 4.5, handy in line out and good around the park. Needs to beef up a bit to nail 4 jersey although him and Romano look good together. Some good young locks in NZ.

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Post by Driver Tue 18 Dec 2012, 10:47 pm

Luke Ramano is 26 , shows how long big Brad was about for.
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Post by dammit_chris Tue 18 Dec 2012, 10:49 pm

Fullbacks been weird as all players have peaked at different times, Dagg been most consistent over the season, but Kearney and Halfpenny have taken it in turns to be standouts.

Not sure if I would put SBW in the team as he hasn't played the whole international season - was awesome when he did, but he seems to be getting some odd reviews over in Japan - has he got boxing matches coming up as that seems to be a bit of a priority for him?

Same with Lydiate, possibly Messam above him? You can see how much Wales miss Lydiate when he hasnt been playing, he doesn't get that well rated when I've played him before though, fully fit I'd probably have him as a starting Lion, was well chuffed when I swapped him for Elsom!!!


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 18 Dec 2012, 10:49 pm

Yea he's took a while to come through. Thorn still going too lol

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 18 Dec 2012, 10:50 pm

Messam had a good year. Very much oblivious though v England, which sticks in the mind.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 18 Dec 2012, 10:56 pm

Just watching ASM v Leinster. Saw no rugby over the weekend, trying to cram all the Heino game in today and tomorrow!!!
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 18 Dec 2012, 10:56 pm

Lydiate good in that unit but unsure of him for Lions. A fit Ferris offers a lot more but again it's combo's.

SBW was immense in S15 and summer games, similar way that Fofana was good in 6N but played wing in AI. SBW only been gone similar time as Genia has been injured.

He's injured currently Chris, only played a couple of games in Japan. Rumours his RL contract might fall through and he's coming back to union.

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 18 Dec 2012, 10:59 pm

Yeah its bizarre what France are doing with Fofana and putting him out on the wing, still doing well for Clermont though at 12.

Hope SBW comes back to union, such a talent.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 18 Dec 2012, 11:00 pm

I think AB's might go McCaw/Cane/Read next year, Messem isn't really fitting in that well. Kaino is a massive hole to fill, boy is immense.

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Post by Driver Tue 18 Dec 2012, 11:03 pm

I think they'll spring a surprise and give one of the younger lads a craic in the 6 shirt.
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Post by dammit_chris Tue 18 Dec 2012, 11:06 pm

McCaw isnt available is he? Thought he was on sabbatical for 12 months?

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 18 Dec 2012, 11:06 pm

Not often this happens, but I agree with Pooly, see McCaw going to 6.
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Post by Fluxy Tue 18 Dec 2012, 11:06 pm

Perhaps maybe Luke Whitelock?

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 18 Dec 2012, 11:07 pm

6-9 months Chris. He's basically missing the Super Rugby season.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 18 Dec 2012, 11:08 pm

Haha cheeky!

Cane looks quality, they'll try and accomodate him. McCaw can play the backrow with similar effect these days.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 18 Dec 2012, 11:09 pm

I think he's just sitting out the super season

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 18 Dec 2012, 11:09 pm

Wonder whether Cane will step up.

McCaw's body must be a mess, don't think I've ever seen a player who gets singled out for so much treatment from the opposition, must get shoed 4-5 times a game!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 18 Dec 2012, 11:10 pm

I reckon he likes it, no other explanation for lying on the wrong side of ruck every time!

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Post by stnick88 Wed 19 Dec 2012, 12:17 am

Kaino back next year though isn't he? Definitely back for 2015 WC

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 19 Dec 2012, 11:50 am

Available players...

Looking for good tight head, lineout jumping lock, a SH scrumhalf and an outside centre available during 6Nations

HK Rob Webber (E) EPS
PR Ryan Grant (Scotland) (1)
LK Bradley Davies (Wales)
LK Alun Wyn Jones (Wales)
SH Sam Harrison (E)
FH/FB Danny Cipriani (E)
CE Jean de Villiers (South Africa)
WG Sitiveni Siviatu (NZ)
FB Niall Morris (Ireland)


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 19 Dec 2012, 12:02 pm

I've got one of Burgess/Cowan available Chris

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Wed 19 Dec 2012, 12:04 pm

Pretorius could easily leave.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 19 Dec 2012, 3:00 pm

http://www.rugbyweek.com/news/article.asp?id=37266

Robshaw tipped as Lions captain, seems Gatland has been impressed

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 19 Dec 2012, 3:29 pm

I didnt understand this quote from that article...

"Edwards still however says that if Robshaw can find his form again then he may just get ahead of Robshaw in the pecking order"

That confused me somewhat.


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 19 Dec 2012, 4:21 pm

He means Warburton I think

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Post by Guest Thu 20 Dec 2012, 9:00 am

For me having Robshaw as captain will be like when England had phil de glanville as captain. Not good enough to get In the side so a bit embarrassing.

I think as England evolve Robshaw will disappear. He has done a good job when we have had a poor side.

He had a pretty miserable ai series apart from nz game. This NZ game has papered over some huge cracks

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 20 Dec 2012, 9:09 am

Yea it'll be just like that lol, awful that Robshaw. Saull for England!!!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 20 Dec 2012, 9:11 am

Is Percival now classed as Welsh seen as he's declared himself for them??

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Thu 20 Dec 2012, 9:18 am

As its christmas and all could we have a ceasefire?....

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Post by Driver Thu 20 Dec 2012, 9:20 am

Think of me in my time of need, this Novovirus will be the end of me!
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Post by prop_lyd Thu 20 Dec 2012, 9:26 am

Pooly...I think it may be like me with Heathcote/Maitland.....they're their home country until they get capped....is that right?
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Post by Driver Thu 20 Dec 2012, 9:27 am

Pete signed the wuss 8 as a eq?
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Post by Driver Thu 20 Dec 2012, 9:27 am

Pete signed the wuss 8 as a eq?
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 20 Dec 2012, 9:31 am

Unsure Prop, if you declare I thought you'd be that nationality.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Thu 20 Dec 2012, 9:38 am

This question came up earlier in the season when Luke asked me whether or not Ernst Joubert now counted as EQ.

My answer was this.

He has served his residency, and at present could be capped by either South Africa or England, therefore he is EQ. There is no such thing as 'declaring' for a nation. All he, and others have said is that if England came calling they would love to play for them, that does not negate the possibility that they could still play for their country of birth.

Likewise with Percival, until he is actually capped by Wales, he remains qualified to play for England, and so in this game counts as an EQ player.
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Post by Guest Thu 20 Dec 2012, 9:40 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Yea it'll be just like that lol, awful that Robshaw. Saull for England!!!

My comments were aimed at the Robshaw as lions captain. I am happy with him for England and think he has done a job.

Until capped they are where they are from. Just saying you are eligible does not mean anything. Hope Percival does not turn to the dark side. He is a big part of my side moving forward

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Post by Guest Thu 20 Dec 2012, 9:48 am

Alex brown retires great servant to glos !

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Thu 20 Dec 2012, 9:50 am

"Likewise with Percival, until he is actually capped by Wales, he remains qualified to play for England, and so in this game counts as an EQ player."

I think you're pretty safe there Matt, I imagine I'll be capped by the AB's before Percival is capped by Wales Wink

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