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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 07 Dec 2012, 3:12 pm

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Breaking News: Sale Sharks go into the top 4 for the first time this season after beating Worcester Warriors at home.

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2 Homepage - Page 16 7Harlequins1290 3 304 276 +28 33 28 1 3 40
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5 Homepage - Page 16 9Northampton Saints1261 5 311 284 +27 34 28 2 5 33
6 Homepage - Page 16 5London Irish126 0 6 301 293 +8 32 30 2 6 32
7 Homepage - Page 16 2Gloucester1260 6 289 290 -1 31 31 0 4 28
8 Homepage - Page 16 50London Welsh12 5 1 6 273 266 +7 28 24 0 6 28
9 Homepage - Page 16 1Bath Rugby1250 7 277 293 -16 25 32 0 5 25
10 Homepage - Page 16 6London Wasps 1220 10 247 294 -47 21 33 0 8 16
11 Homepage - Page 16 57Worcester Warriors1221 9 252 308 -56 21 33 0 4 14
12 Homepage - Page 16 11Saracens1221 9 248 311 -63 21 34 0 414






Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Guest Fri 28 Dec 2012, 1:05 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:TJ over Aaron Smith??? Who is Horrell??

PR do some odd teams.

If a player was in running for actual team of year then he was ineligible
For newbie team. Ie Etzbeth was in world team of year so ineligible.

Also if you had been in newbie team of year before like tuilagi and wade you were ineligible. Still some strange choices

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 28 Dec 2012, 1:15 pm

I'd definitely have Louw in the team - think it was done over 12 months and he's been sensational for Bath, such a good player.


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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 28 Dec 2012, 1:31 pm

That is an awful team from Edwards.

Barritt, B.Youngs, Morgan, Savage and T.Youngs are poor shouts. On performances in the AP they are way down the list.

At hooker Hartley, Ward, Dawiduk and Whitehead have been better than Youngs with likes of Briggs, Shervington, Lutui and Mears all close enough.

At 8 I'd have Wilson, Powell, Easter, Waldrom and likely others I've forgotten.

At 9 I'd have Care and Thomas well ahead of Youngs with both Dickson's and Claassens close.

At 12 I'd have Allen, Shoemark, Williams and maybe even Farrell close or better than Barritt.




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Post by Guest Fri 28 Dec 2012, 1:35 pm

Dawiduik had a poor season for glos Steve not been a regular starter and has gone backwards.
Joe grey Hartley and many others ahead of youngs on AP.
The rest I would agree with. Shoemark is very useful indeed

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 28 Dec 2012, 1:48 pm

I meant Joe Grey not Joe Ward in my original post. Dawiduk good when I saw him last season though and this is across the year.

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Post by Driver Fri 28 Dec 2012, 1:52 pm

If it's across the year they surely can't ignore Jimmy Goppereth's 1 man battle to save Falcons?
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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 28 Dec 2012, 1:56 pm

I can't tell if your being sarcastic driver?

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Post by Driver Fri 28 Dec 2012, 2:02 pm

Massively
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Post by dammit_chris Fri 28 Dec 2012, 2:10 pm

Quoting directly from Sir Alex Ferguson I dont think a player from "a wee club in the north east" would get into a team like this... Wink

I think Edwards team includes internationals etc too, but seems to focus a lot on the last few months, as if it was over 12 months then most of the team would be Quins - Jamie Johnston, Nick Easter, Danny Care, Nick Evans, Mike Brown, Robson etc.

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Post by Driver Fri 28 Dec 2012, 2:11 pm

Ferguson can go die.
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Post by dammit_chris Fri 28 Dec 2012, 2:16 pm

I thought his comments might have touched a nerve...

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Post by Driver Fri 28 Dec 2012, 2:18 pm

He just upset because the assistant ref knew the actual laws and not the Fergie laws.
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Post by dammit_chris Fri 28 Dec 2012, 2:20 pm

I did like how he mentioned about how Pardew can say what he did after actually pushing a linesman on the opening day of the season.

Really not a fan of football - the managers/players can get away with anything - if the FA just banned a player for 10 games if he swore at a ref then there wouldnt be any problems!

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Fri 28 Dec 2012, 2:22 pm

Youngs has only played since September. Tough on others to include him.

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Post by Driver Fri 28 Dec 2012, 2:22 pm

It's a bit silly when you get banned in football as you still get payed whilst in Rugby you don't so there's that incentive not to get sent off.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 28 Dec 2012, 10:17 pm

Richie gray superb tonight. Cips place kicking sublime! Looked a side with spirit but lacking knowledge in how to kill a game. Dwayne peel.still the best 9 in the prem when he plays like he did tonight.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 28 Dec 2012, 10:24 pm

What was the score Steve?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 28 Dec 2012, 10:29 pm

Good win Steve.

I'd have been very worried if Sale hadnt have won that one though, Worcester are dire on the road.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 28 Dec 2012, 10:37 pm

Cips played well from the sounds of it - he's such an odd player, one game he can be absolutely top class and gets all the pundits saying he's an England cert. and the next game he wouldn't get close to playing for England u16s!

If he could just get some consistency he'd be great at Sale.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 28 Dec 2012, 10:45 pm

It's been the latter for the majority of the season by all accounts. I think the England ship may have sailed tbh, it'll be a success if he manages to become a regular AP 10.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 28 Dec 2012, 10:53 pm

He's the most talented back I think I;'ve seen in terms of skils and running ability, I just don't think he has the mentality to be consistently great. At Wasps he looked a potential world beater and then the leg break stopped him. He cant be older than 24, so still potential I think - needs a top pack to play behind though.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Fri 28 Dec 2012, 10:59 pm

He's 25

Too flakey to cut it, he's got gas and a good miss pass but just zero fight. Was reading he missed something like 8 tackles against Toulon, not good enough at any standard that.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Fri 28 Dec 2012, 11:18 pm

His defence was superb tonight. He really stepped up. He was targeted and he made his tackles.

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Post by dammit_chris Fri 28 Dec 2012, 11:46 pm

Austin Healy has been having a bit of a spat with him over the last month or two, saying that he has all the talent in the world and should be an England fly half, but lacks that something up stairs to do.

But he said that Cips is one of the best covering tacklers in the AP and has improved in defence a lot - trouble is he's played in a beaten pack for most of the last 4 seasons so is always going to struggle more so than any other 10.

He needs to keep playing like he did tonight from the sounds of it - I really like the guy as a player, just get the impression he believed in a bit too much of his own hype and then never recovered mentally after breaking his leg - the game he played against Ireland was probably the best performance I have seen from an England 10 since Wilko against NZ in the draw at HQ.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 29 Dec 2012, 12:00 am

Didn't Mitchell state "He can't defend"?

I'm sorry Chris, Cips hasn't improved in defence at all over the years. If anything he's got worse. He has a good game every now and again but he's hardly worth talking about for England, he's so far from any recognition right now.

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Post by Guest Sat 29 Dec 2012, 10:11 am

Agree with pooly re cips. Flaky player. Great on his day. Same with ihumph

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Post by prop_lyd Sat 29 Dec 2012, 10:16 am

I've put it on my predo's but just so people know:
After recent conversation's on the homepage, I've put a lot of emphasis on tactics and making sure they are fully read and not just skimmed. This has altered quite a few results for me here. I've also changed the way I set out my predictions to make it clearer.
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Post by Guest Sat 29 Dec 2012, 10:19 am

Really like way you have set them out prop really clear

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Post by prop_lyd Sat 29 Dec 2012, 11:06 am

Cheers Matt...quite easy to predict now too rather than writing a paragraph.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 29 Dec 2012, 11:11 am

It's quite easy to get carried away in predo's, then get to the last one and run out of time.

Looks a good system Prop, you not do something similar on the Euro league?

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Post by Guest Sat 29 Dec 2012, 11:18 am

I for one will be copying props prediction style.

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Post by Driver Sat 29 Dec 2012, 11:46 am

Right guys i'm going to be blunt and say I don't have the time or enthusiasm anymore to keep Saracens competative and i'm going to leave the game to allow someone with the enthusiasm that Saracens need to come in. I'll still be around on the homepage but can't commit to a team.

Been a great 3 years but i'm going to leave. Peace out.
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Post by pullthestrings Sat 29 Dec 2012, 11:52 am

Right lads, back from holiday. Hope you all had a good one.

Irish open for business.

What do I need to do - when are teamsheet and prediction deadlines?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 29 Dec 2012, 11:54 am

Don't leave Driver!!!

Another one lost...

Thursday at midnight Pull for teams/tactics and Saturday 1200 for predo's I think

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Post by prop_lyd Sat 29 Dec 2012, 11:57 am

Pooly: yeah I did, just makes things quicker for me as i'm normally short for time.

Ah Driver...stay fella!! Your doing a good job.
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Post by dammit_chris Sat 29 Dec 2012, 11:57 am

Sorry to hear that you are leaving Driver - shame to see you go!

Prop - that's a really good way of doing predos, also shows people where they can i,prove. Will be copying you there!

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Post by Guest Sat 29 Dec 2012, 11:57 am

Losing a few managers post Xmas. It's tough at the bottom although gap has narrowed

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Post by pullthestrings Sat 29 Dec 2012, 12:00 pm

So just 36 hours to get in predos..? Might have to be scores on the doors for me most weeks.

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Post by prop_lyd Sat 29 Dec 2012, 12:00 pm

Looks like I've managed to start a trend!!
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Post by Guest Sat 29 Dec 2012, 12:01 pm

Best ideas are always the simplest ones prop

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Post by Guest Sat 29 Dec 2012, 12:11 pm

Leicester va Gloucester today. Conditions favour Leicester and think with their Bench they may sneak it. Can't wait to watch it though. Good to see flood vs burns. Shame conditions were not better as it Is bucketing down at moment

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 29 Dec 2012, 1:10 pm

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Predos are open until 8pm on Saturday mate, so almost 48 hours for them. Good to have you on board fella.


Driver

Sorry to see you go mate, but I suspected it might be on the cards as you do seem to have been lacking enthusiasm for it recently. Hopefully you'll stick around for the banter mate.


Folks, any suggestions on who we can get to take the Saracens hotseat?
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Post by prop_lyd Sat 29 Dec 2012, 2:05 pm

Could try Bathite maybe? He's normally pretty reliable on other game? Or put a message out and get new blood in?
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Post by Driver Sat 29 Dec 2012, 2:06 pm

I'll still be around for the craic.

Lawson sound awful in the background on ESPN. But beats listening to Healy talk Shiote.
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Post by Guest Sat 29 Dec 2012, 2:22 pm

Jeez Irish defence looks poor. Trying to hide Ihumph is an issue. Not looking good for your boys Pete !!

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Post by prop_lyd Sat 29 Dec 2012, 2:42 pm

Mitchell quits Sale
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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 29 Dec 2012, 2:48 pm

always going back to SA apparently. its just surprising quite how quickly he has done

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Post by prop_lyd Sat 29 Dec 2012, 3:20 pm

Yeah, last time I heard he was going back in feb
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Post by dammit_chris Sat 29 Dec 2012, 4:25 pm

Wait until you see Simpson's try today - best of the season - easy. What was the Quins/Irish game like? Heard Quins won, but not best game?

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 29 Dec 2012, 4:53 pm

First away win in what seems like years and Varndell finished the game with a try to get us a BP! The second half performance by Wasps was the best I've seen us play - Elliot Daly is absolute class, got another try and set up Varndells too.

He's got to be getting on Lancaster's radar - Vunipola had another great game too, he must be in the 6Nations squad!

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