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Post by Ozzy3213 Wed 02 Jan 2013, 6:27 pm

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Breaking News: Pooly quits as Falcons boss after their first home defeat for 2 years, paving the way for a shock return to the Premiership for former Exeter Chiefs, London Welsh and Saracens head coach Driver, who takes charge at Kingston Park.

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Mon 14 Jan 2013, 9:54 am

Awful shame to see both Pooly and Pull finish up but welcome back Driver!

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Post by prop_lyd Mon 14 Jan 2013, 10:04 am

Quick query on the table: it says that wasps have only won 2 and I've won 2 and drawn 1. Wasps have 1 lbp and I have 5. How are they ahead or is it an error and they have more lbp's?
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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 14 Jan 2013, 10:12 am

The 1 bonus point is an error, they should have 9.

I'll get it rectified tonight when I'm at home.
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Post by prop_lyd Mon 14 Jan 2013, 10:14 am

Ok cool. I got excited then! Don't think I've ever been higher than 11th
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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 14 Jan 2013, 10:23 am

I'm guessing you'll be targeting your home game with Wasps then, which falls in the next batch of AP fixtures!!!
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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 14 Jan 2013, 10:27 am

Right, I'm after a loosehead, a lineout lock and an inside centre folks.

These players can leave for the right deals...

Rob Hawkins or Chris Whitehead
Craig Mitchell
Dean Schofield, George Skivington or James Hanks
Kevin McLaughlin
Tomas O'Leary or Nicolas Bezy
Butch James
Patric Lambie
Andrew Trimble
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Post by prop_lyd Mon 14 Jan 2013, 10:32 am

I target every game but that one'll have my strongest possible lineup!
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Post by LukeLovesLuka Mon 14 Jan 2013, 10:51 am

Parling signs new deal at Tigers.

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Mon 14 Jan 2013, 11:02 am

http://www.planetrugby.co.uk/story/0,25883,16024_8395878,00.html

Interesting and exciting - love him at 13.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 14 Jan 2013, 11:04 am

Great player to watch, has some mad skills. I was always susrprised when people used to knock him in predos when I had him as I think he's class.
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Post by stnick88 Mon 14 Jan 2013, 11:41 am

can be suspect in defence which is probably why he doenst always get rated that highly.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 14 Jan 2013, 11:45 am

You see I just don't see the suspect in defence thing. He hits hard in the tackle, and although I've seen him jump out the line trying to make a hit and not getting there a couple of times, all players do that, including Conrad Smith against England this autumn, but nobody would suggest that he is a poor defender.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 14 Jan 2013, 11:51 am

If he was English he'd have 10/20 caps.

He does hit hard but can go to pieces a bit, slipping off tackles and positioning can really go to pot. He's a much better defender than say Sharples though imo.

Theres not many better with ball in hand though.

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Post by stnick88 Mon 14 Jan 2013, 12:10 pm

The odd error doesnt make you a poor defender, Smith is renowned for being the best 13 in the world and there arent many better defensive 13's than him. But he will always make the odd error.

I havent seen Ranger a huge amount of times, but like Pooly says have seen him being caught out positionally a fair bit. He does have a bit of a rep for having not the best defensive game.

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Post by El Dios Mon 14 Jan 2013, 1:12 pm

https://www.606v2.com/t39388-london-irish-fantasy-aviva-prem#1782426

anyone and everyone is for sale at the right price/deal Very Happy

Also does anyone know how you get the logo pic on the homepage

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 14 Jan 2013, 1:13 pm

who has Johnnie Beattie on here?

had a storming game for Montpellier on friday night. Expect him to be at 8 for scotland with Denton at 6 during 6N. 7 is anyones guess

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 14 Jan 2013, 1:18 pm

Nobody has Beattie any more Steve, he got released a while back.

Welcome El Dios. Do you mean the Prem rugby logo?
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 14 Jan 2013, 1:23 pm

Irish available on other game too:

https://www.606v2.com/t20646-london-irish

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Post by DHLS07 Mon 14 Jan 2013, 2:00 pm

Crikes, don't log on for a couple of days and it's all change with the managers. Best get some deals done lively.

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Post by Fluxy Mon 14 Jan 2013, 2:02 pm

Same! Before I get bogged down with my dissertation!

Everyone at Wasps can go in the right deal. People like Brown and Barritt would need equal EQ players or starters.

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Post by DHLS07 Mon 14 Jan 2013, 2:11 pm

PR Hoani Tui (New Zealand)
LK Rob Simmons (Australia)
LK Tim Swinson (England)
LK Ali Williams (New Zealand)
FL Phil Dowsen (England)
FL Alessandro Zanni (Italy)
FL Ross Rennie (Scotland)
FL Beau Robinson (Australia)
N8 Rapheal Lakafia (France)
SH Lloyd Williams (Wales)
SH Will Chudley (England)
FH Francois Trinh-Duc (France)
FH Iain Humphreys (Ireland)
WG Lachie Turner (Australia)
FB Rory Lamont (Scotland)

All can leave.

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Post by Guest Mon 14 Jan 2013, 4:33 pm

Billy v and Jj sign for sarries. No salary cap restrictions there !!

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Post by stnick88 Mon 14 Jan 2013, 4:36 pm

big news. chris will be gutted!

Bit surprised JJ is leaving Quins.

Money talks clearly.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 14 Jan 2013, 4:39 pm

great signings

Must be a few leaving otherwise they have some depth!

Mako, Brits, JJ
Kruis, Borthwick
Brown, Billy, Fraser

Could well be there pack next season and if it is then England will benefit massively from a successful sarries side.

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Post by stnick88 Mon 14 Jan 2013, 4:43 pm

Thats a serious pack.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 14 Jan 2013, 4:46 pm

Great pack, JJ was rumoured to be after 300k so Sarries must have stumped up big time.

Backrow has serious potential.

Heaviest pack in AP?!

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Post by Fluxy Mon 14 Jan 2013, 4:52 pm

That is great work by Sarries. I think they are looking towards the future, but still serious ability for a team next year. I imagine Nieto and Joubert could be on their way now?

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Post by Driver Mon 14 Jan 2013, 4:57 pm

Neito is retiring and he is one of the top earners there , so it frees up a lot. Heard that Saull is off too. Makes sense with Fraser looking a super star at the minute and Burger one of top 7s in AP.
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Post by Driver Mon 14 Jan 2013, 4:59 pm

Scotland squad:

Backs: Peter Murchie*, Stuart Hogg, Sean Maitland*, Tommy Seymour*, Sean Lamont (all Glasgow Warriors), Tim Visser (Edinburgh Rugby), Max Evans (Castres), Matt Scott (Edinburgh Rugby), Alex Dunbar* Peter Horne*, Duncan Weir, Ruaridh Jackson (all Glasgow Warriors), Tom Heathcote (Bath Rugby), Henry Pyrgos, Sean Kennedy* (both Glasgow Warriors) and Greig Laidlaw (Edinburgh Rugby).

Forwards: Alasdair Dickinson (Sale Sharks), Ryan Grant, Dougie Hall, Pat MacArthur* (all Glasgow Warriors), Ross Ford (Edinburgh Rugby), Euan Murray (Worcester Warriors), Geoff Cross (Edinburgh Rugby), Moray Low, Alastair Kellock (both Glasgow Warriors), Richie Gray (Sale Sharks), Jim Hamilton (Gloucester), Grant Gilchrist* (Edinburgh Rugby), Kelly Brown (Saracens), Robert Harley, Ryan Wilson* (both Glasgow Warriors), Johnnie Beattie (Montpellier), David Denton (Edinburgh Rugby), Richie Vernon (Sale Sharks), Chris Fusaro* (Glasgow Warriors).
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Post by prop_lyd Mon 14 Jan 2013, 5:24 pm

Kyle Godwin's available
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Post by dammit_chris Mon 14 Jan 2013, 5:34 pm

Can't stand Saracens - there is no way whatsoever they are within the salary cap at that club. They just throw money into everything and that is their solution to rugby, can understand Vunipola wanting to play in the same side as his brother but I don't think there is a club I like less then them in how they run/conduct themselves.

They must be losing millions each year.

Wasps wont have the funds to replace Vunipola - doesnt seem to be much loyalty these days in the sport!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 14 Jan 2013, 5:49 pm

Money talks

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 14 Jan 2013, 5:52 pm

Pretty sure they are in the salary cap. There are ways round it. Sale simplify this by just spending loads on Poopie.

he has to do what is right for him. Saracens is the place to be if you want to get a shot at England for the tikme being and joining his bro must have been a pull factor for him.

Wasps are a bit like Sale. Sale's possible side if they kept players they had brought through/brought to the AP is quality. Foden and JMF are prime examples of how moving to a better club can benefit you.

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 14 Jan 2013, 5:57 pm

Think there could be more to come out of the Vunipola move to Sarries from Wasps too - get the impression it might be a bit underhand. Pretty sure Saints reported them for tapping up Ashton, but nothing happened with that. Really odd as 2 weeks ago they were saying BV had all but signed for us again and would be a Wasps player next year.

See we've issued a press release on the website, which I dont think I've ever seen us do for a player departing before and it says they will issue more tomorrow.

Serious team they are putting together now though. Just hope they lose every game next season.

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Post by Driver Mon 14 Jan 2013, 6:00 pm

Got to remember the EPS agreement covers most of the EPS squad wages so Faz , Botha , Barritt , Fraser , Goode and others will be on pennies from Sarries but big bucks from RFU.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 14 Jan 2013, 6:21 pm

L'Equipe claiming Fotuali'i to join Saints after they offer him 300 000 euros. 60k more than Racing Metro.

Would never turn a player like him down but not sure Scrum half is a position they need to target with Tonga and Mujati supposed to be on the move

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 14 Jan 2013, 6:26 pm

What do people make of Jean Orioli the Toulon hooker, I dont know much about him but whenever I've seen him play he's looked pretty good.

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Post by Guest Mon 14 Jan 2013, 6:58 pm

Quickest recovery from an ACL of all time he did it in September. I was out for about 10 months.

http://www.planetrugby.co.uk/story/0,25883,3824_8396405,00.html

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 14 Jan 2013, 7:00 pm

Mat - dont know if you saw but Ardie Savea has apparently been named as a flanker for next s15 - thought he was a winger like his brother!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 14 Jan 2013, 7:03 pm

Be interesting to see how Genia comes back, that's a big injury. He could be finished, ACL are such touchy injuries especially at scrum half.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 14 Jan 2013, 7:05 pm

If Genia is finished I will be shocked to my very core. Quick recovery would suggest a full recovery.

Best 9 in the world on his day. No one gets close to Genia at his best for me.

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Post by Driver Mon 14 Jan 2013, 7:06 pm

Cipriani had a quick recovery...
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 14 Jan 2013, 7:08 pm

You just never know with knees, could be on/off injury table for rest of career, hope they don't rush him back.

Class act Genia, dropped a bit last season bar the odd big performance but he's a top player.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 14 Jan 2013, 7:10 pm

And he has recovered to be as good as he was before hand. Not international class and never was in all honesty.

Unless he improves his defence (showing signs of improvement having watched him live twice in recent weeks) and general consistency in vital areas such as game management and kicking then he won't be international class.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 14 Jan 2013, 7:12 pm

Cips will never kick on, he's 25 now and struggles at AP level.

The game has moved on and there's loads of better options.

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Post by Guest Mon 14 Jan 2013, 7:14 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Be interesting to see how Genia comes back, that's a big injury. He could be finished, ACL are such touchy injuries especially at scrum half.


ACL is a nothing injury these days. Used to be touch and go for a career ten years ago the surgery technique they use these days is so less invasive. A real breakthrough for sports people. You used to be in hospital for 3 weeks now you are a day case for ACL

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 14 Jan 2013, 7:30 pm

He'll of lost a yard of pace at least I imagine

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 14 Jan 2013, 9:22 pm

Steven_Sharks wrote:L'Equipe claiming Fotuali'i to join Saints after they offer him 300 000 euros. 60k more than Racing Metro.

Would never turn a player like him down but not sure Scrum half is a position they need to target with Tonga and Mujati supposed to be on the move

Fotuali'i is a quality player. I am really tempted by him in foreigns, but 9 isn't a position that I ma desperate for somebody in.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 14 Jan 2013, 9:25 pm

I am looking at him, but all depends on the price. Be very surprised if he went without a bidding war.


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Post by Fluxy Mon 14 Jan 2013, 9:30 pm

I'm tempted too as well

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