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Post by Ozzy3213 Fri 22 Feb 2013, 11:48 am

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Breaking News: Gloucester smash their way into the top 4 for the first time this season, beating local rivals Bath at The Rec. Worcester move up one place condemning Wasps to the bottom of the table after a bonus point win over their relegation rivals.

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


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Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by prop_lyd Sat 09 Mar 2013, 10:20 am

Great try...Mogg influentual again.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Mar 2013, 10:58 am

Could be just a niggle for Pocock, hard to tell

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Post by Guest Sat 09 Mar 2013, 11:01 am

It's suspected ACL all the Aussie sites are crying about it. Smith could play against a second touring lions side

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 09 Mar 2013, 11:11 am

Owen Williams signs for Leicester Tigers. He has a lot of potential.

Would be a step back for Oz playing Gill I think. Hooper or Gill should be the 7.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sat 09 Mar 2013, 11:13 am

Step back playing Smith rather!

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Post by Guest Sat 09 Mar 2013, 11:15 am

I think hooper will start but a good season from smith and you never know. Top top player

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Post by prop_lyd Sat 09 Mar 2013, 11:22 am

Big loss for Scarlets with Williams going. Tigers could finally mould us a new 10!!
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Post by dammit_chris Sat 09 Mar 2013, 12:03 pm

Prop how do you reckon you will get on against the Scots today. Going to be a blooming tight game up there.

Mogg is a great player, I think I had a bid of around £15m rejected for him in the summer. Really nice running style, Aussies do produce some talented backs.

Would be tempted with him.

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Post by stnick88 Sat 09 Mar 2013, 12:17 pm

Prop what's fenby from scarlets like? Any good?

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Post by LukeLovesLuka Sat 09 Mar 2013, 12:25 pm

POC due back soon....and Barclay leaving Glasgow - talk of move to Tigers.

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Post by prop_lyd Sat 09 Mar 2013, 12:51 pm

I think we will either win by 1 point or 15, depends how we do up front to be honest. I've got tickets for the Wales-England game so would love to see us rip off the wheels of the chariot!

Fenby isn't too bad, a steady player but too old to kick on now to international level in my opinion.

Would Bath be anything without Louw?
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Post by dammit_chris Sat 09 Mar 2013, 1:43 pm

If you can get your centres into the game a bit more and through the Scotland midfield then I think you can win - no way Scotland can defend as well as they did against Ireland again.

After your chariot comment there I am going to head out to Sports Direct and get myself for a Scottish shirt for the afternoon! I do like the Welsh as sports fans, as they are the only country in the world where you would find a man in his 40s with a giant daffodil hat on...bizarre bunch!

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 09 Mar 2013, 2:18 pm

Mat next time i play you may need to line Savea up against Dagg...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPOgy0N9ewg

So glad I didnt release him last year!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Mar 2013, 3:05 pm

Halfpenny having a bit of a shocker with the boot.

C'mon Scotland!!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Mar 2013, 4:17 pm

Missing the 2nd, how's Warbs getting on? He looked decent 1st half

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Post by prop_lyd Sat 09 Mar 2013, 4:37 pm

Did ok, got motm. Think Adam Jones deserved it!!
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Mar 2013, 5:26 pm

Steve will be happy

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Mar 2013, 5:41 pm

Jackson has been great so far

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 09 Mar 2013, 5:48 pm

Jackson has been decent but Murray has been great. pulling the strings for Ireland from 9 making it alot easier for Jackson

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Mar 2013, 6:22 pm

Yea Murray & Kearney have been top

France so bad, massive issue at 10

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Mar 2013, 6:39 pm

Heaslip hasn't been great again, had such a poor 6N

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 09 Mar 2013, 6:42 pm

Poor decision was at least a penalty!

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Mar 2013, 6:55 pm

Yea odd call from the 4th, was not a try but def a pen.

No idea how Ireland threw that one away, time for Kidney to go I think

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 09 Mar 2013, 7:02 pm

When you take your best player off with 20 minutes to go (Murray), and you end up chucking a 10 point lead, at home, against a side which has no control or composure, then I think it's time to go (Kidney)!!!
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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 09 Mar 2013, 7:08 pm

Kidney has been finished for the last 2 weeks. Just playing his contract out now. Gave Ireland that extra 5% they needed for the Grandslam in 09 but his gameplan has been outdated ever since! His decisions this 6 nations have mostly stank of desperation

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 09 Mar 2013, 7:14 pm

I wrote this piece on 27th Jan 2012, just before last years 6 Nations...

http://www.v2journal.com/declan-kidney.html

I would say now that the answer as to whether he is a good manger is an unequivocal NO.
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Post by Guest Sat 09 Mar 2013, 7:20 pm

Not seen any games as been playing.

Bbc radio said stand out performances from Murray heaslip and Kearney in awful conditions.

Will put It on and have a look
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Can't wait for England Wales there is a massive crowd of us going

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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sat 09 Mar 2013, 7:24 pm

Sorry Mat Heaslip wasn't great. Outshone by POM in the Irish backrow. Picamoles was the best forward on the park. Kearney was good as was McFadden before he got injured. Murray the stand out player of the match. Really stepping up for Ireland lately.

How Ireland let that go I will never know! Michalek starting at 10 should have near on guaranteed the win with his current form!

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Post by Guest Sat 09 Mar 2013, 7:29 pm

Only heard 5live who were playing man city vs Barnsley.
They mentioned heaslip kearney and Murray as being stand out players.

Give you my opinion when i watch it

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 09 Mar 2013, 7:35 pm

Ireland look like a team that doesn't know how to win at the moment. They should have beaten Scotland and France.
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Post by Guest Sat 09 Mar 2013, 7:36 pm

Which was best game today ? Teeing up my viewing for after dinner. Had first 80 minutes for 4 months today so feeling it

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 09 Mar 2013, 7:40 pm

Didn't see the first game Mat, but Ireland v France was pretty dire.
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Post by Guest Sat 09 Mar 2013, 7:49 pm

Cheers Pete will start with the jocks then !

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Mar 2013, 8:28 pm

I was listening to BBC for first bit and they said Heaslip was struggling (which he was). He done maybe one or two good thing all game but was poor. He's had an awful 6N, he's not captain material thats for sure.

Murray was good for you Matt, Pickles & Dus best French players. Kearney really grew into game too and was cracking in 2nd.

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Post by dammit_chris Sat 09 Mar 2013, 9:14 pm

Mat - would say the Scotland and Wales game was also very poor, it set a record for the number of penalties given in an international.

France are really struggling with team selection, getting a structure in during the game. Got so many good players.

Brian Moore and the other commentator said that Heaslip had a good game and was a lot better than previous week and had grown into his role as leader. Get the impression with him that he's found it hard to take over the captaincy from BOD - was that his last game for Ireland?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Mar 2013, 9:47 pm

Heaslip was poor but better than last 2 games. Hardly surprising as he's never been as good as 2009, just seems to be on steady decline.

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Post by Guest Sat 09 Mar 2013, 10:04 pm

Against Wales he was tremendous and has been great all season for Leinster.
You do not make someone captain of their country when they are out of
Form?

He was great in the autumn as well

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Post by Guest Sat 09 Mar 2013, 10:04 pm

Watching game now so will let you know thoughts on today's game

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Mar 2013, 10:17 pm

He was decent 1st half against Wales, widely acknolodged he was outplayed by Faletau in the game though.

He's not in good form and hasn't been for ages, I don't know how you think he is.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Mar 2013, 10:29 pm

Heaslips stats make pretty sorry reading too.

11 metres made (for an 8???)
5 tackles made, 2 missed(worst tackle stats of any Irish player)

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Post by Guest Sat 09 Mar 2013, 11:19 pm

Heaslip meters made 11 dusatoir 0 Nyanga 6 michalak 1 fofana 5 OMahoney 10 bod 7 best 2 looks like nobody made metres which shows the conditions


Picamoles had 83 m playing in a dominant scrum and to be fair looks like best player on pitch. Pickles is all carrying and does it well.

Healy is getting battered. Mas always kills him. It's his bogey player

Bod missed 2 tackles also. Pickles missed 1 out of 3


Stats stats stats

Dreadful game of what I have seen

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 09 Mar 2013, 11:58 pm

I was trying to back up Heaslip being poor as you can't see it. Pointless going on, your in denial Wink

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Post by Guest Sun 10 Mar 2013, 12:04 am

You were trying to use stats without context i merely gave them context which you cannot argue against .
Nearly finished match heaslip 6 or 7 out of 10 awful match best and Healy very poor. Worried about hooker
For lions as best had poor 6n youngs not great either. Hibbard probably in box seat ?

Murray played a peach and Jackson much better. Huget pickles and Kayser been decent. Michalak awful again and is not an international 10
Why not let parra kick ?

Dreadful conditions dreadful game. Healy so scared of mas he is leading the hit. Loose head should never lead the hit. First thing you ever learn about scrum when you play.

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Post by Guest Sun 10 Mar 2013, 12:13 am

Biggest plus for Ireland today was jacksons performance. He was not Brilliant but in poor conditions and under pressure from a poor debut he showed character.

Best game Kearney has had since back

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Post by Guest Sun 10 Mar 2013, 12:24 am

"Silver linings in a grey cabbage-shaped cloud: strong showings from Heaslip, O'Brien and a huge improvement from Jackson"


Agree with that but thought Murray and Kearney deserve a mention.

Lets hope Italy game has better weather. England need to score
Some points to secure championship.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 10 Mar 2013, 12:36 am

Ireland scrum went ok.

An 8 should make more metres than flanks as he gets more time on ball, surely you know this??

I said worst tackle stats of any IRISH player. Made 5 missed 2, BOD made 7 missed 2.

If you think Heaslip is in form I'll let you crack on with that delusion and won't mention again.

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Post by Guest Sun 10 Mar 2013, 12:49 am

Ireland scrum ok ?? They lost 4 and won 2 on their own ball
They got obliterated in the scrums.


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Post by Guest Sun 10 Mar 2013, 12:55 am

When your scrum is gone you get No time
On ball.

I have no need to discuss heaslip is your new witchhunt despite it being universal he has been great this season.
A bad game vs England and an average one against Scotland means little.

I will let people watch the game
And read the papers and decide. 5 live Brian Moore
and others said he went well. Do you know more than them
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Terrible conditions I have seen individuals get more meters made than whole Ireland and France teams put together in dry conditions.

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Post by Guest Sun 10 Mar 2013, 1:02 am

If you like cricket watch England vs nz looks like we have the draw. Finn has a 50 get in

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 10 Mar 2013, 8:21 am

It must be great living in Matt world when all your players are in great form and never play badly lol

It's not a witch hunt, I've stated plenty of your players played well over weekend (Conie, Goosen, Murray), but you won't tolerate one being knocked despite them being in dire form.

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