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Post by Ozzy3213 Thu 11 Apr 2013, 9:33 pm

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Breaking News: Leicester Tigers secure top spot and a home semi-final with their first bonus point win of the league season against Bath at The Rec.

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3 Homepage - Page 3 2Gloucester21140 7 546 488 +58 63 50 4 5 65
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5 Homepage - Page 3 12Sale Sharks21 12 0 9 536 508 +28 58 52 2 9 59
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8 Homepage - Page 3 50London Welsh21 9 3 9 495 484 +11 53 48 0 9 51
9 Homepage - Page 3 1Bath Rugby2190 12 487 519 -32 46 56 0 8 44
10 Homepage - Page 3 11Saracens2151 15 437 528 -91 39 57 0 729
11 Homepage - Page 3 57Worcester Warriors2131 17 452 516 -64 39 57 1 11 26
12 Homepage - Page 3 6London Wasps 2130 18 419 537 -118 37 60 0 13 25






Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.


Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.


Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.


Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by dammit_chris Sun 14 Apr 2013, 5:34 pm

Stats say he is.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 14 Apr 2013, 5:34 pm

Alex Goode listed as been 5'11" on most sites and 13st 7lb

Daly is 5'10" on Wasps site and 6' on ESPN. Weight is down as 14st 7lb which is laughable.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 14 Apr 2013, 5:34 pm

RFU site says Daly is 7 kg heavier than Goode and 3 cm taller.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 14 Apr 2013, 5:37 pm

Yet Wasps own site says he's an inch shorter.

Some of these stats are a joke. Looking at Daly he looks too small imo

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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 14 Apr 2013, 5:40 pm

Disagree. If your good enough your big enough.

There isn't much of Jonny May but he would be fine, as would Daly and Wade. What a back 3 that would be.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 14 Apr 2013, 5:40 pm

Simpson v Manu.......only going one way

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 14 Apr 2013, 5:41 pm

May is more physical than Daly.

Daly needs a bit more bulk imo, he gets swatted away a bit.

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 14 Apr 2013, 5:44 pm

Yeah I think Simpson would play the Audley Harrison role in that particular fight. Not the best career move for a scrum half.

Daly definitely good enough for England, but where on earth do you play him? Good at 13 and 15 - imagine you'd want to start him off as a fb but you'll probably have Goode, Brown and Foden going on the tour.

Without Tuilagi, I guess the spot is there for him.


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 14 Apr 2013, 5:46 pm

He's 100% not an Int 13 currently

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Post by Guest Sun 14 Apr 2013, 5:47 pm

Daly is about 7kgs heavier than goode

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 14 Apr 2013, 5:48 pm

anonmattyt wrote:Daly is about 7kgs heavier than goode

Is he an inch taller or shorter though?

Goode looks much more solid than Daly imo, can't believe the stats

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Post by Guest Sun 14 Apr 2013, 5:55 pm

For me Goode looks like a school boy and to be fair
His size let him down a few times in the tackle in 6 nations.

I do however think if you are good enough technique wise you can play if small.

Daly has a cracking defensive technique and one
On one he is excellent at fb defensively.

At 13 he is too small like eastmond of bath and I have seen them get run through several times too many. Personally I think long term daly will be a 13 but needs a bit more bulk


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 14 Apr 2013, 5:55 pm

Daly same weight as Ashton on RFU....... Rolling Eyes

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 14 Apr 2013, 6:00 pm

His pace really helps with one on ones, but you are right he can get steam roller-ed sometimes at 13. Could be a very good player to have on a bench though, covering all back three positions and 13.

England do have some very exciting backs coming through, would like to see May get a look in again, but beginning to see Ford coming through again at the moment - hopefully Bath will be the making of him.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 14 Apr 2013, 6:05 pm

I really do like Daly but he's not ready for midfield, he's just too slight at the min.

Love to see May involved, who cares that he can't tackle!

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Post by Guest Sun 14 Apr 2013, 6:10 pm

http://www.rfu.com/squadsandplayers/englandsaxons/elliotdaly
http://www.rfu.com/squadsandplayers/englandelite/alexgoode

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Post by dammit_chris Sun 14 Apr 2013, 6:13 pm

Guess then we could well be seeing a midfield of Twelvetrees and Tomkins for Argentina - wouldn't be overly upset by that as Tomkins is impressing me more every game I see him. He's absolutely massive and a great defender - if he had pace he'd be a very good player.

Glad Ashton seems to have turned the corner with his form - think that is 4 tries in 4 games now for Sarries - though Strettle could also be playing himself onto the tour, sure I heard he got a hat-trick today.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 14 Apr 2013, 7:50 pm

RFU has Daly as 6ft, Wasps as 5ft 10"

I suspect some of these stats are stretched

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Post by prop_lyd Sun 14 Apr 2013, 8:41 pm

Is that meant to be a poor pun Pooly?!
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Post by Steven_Sharks Sun 14 Apr 2013, 8:58 pm

I reckon that's a decent pun myself.

Just watching Super rugby highlights. Speight is a fine winger and does Gear like kipper for the first Brumbies try!

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Post by Guest Sun 14 Apr 2013, 9:22 pm

Speight is really really good been banging on about him go
A while.


Gear was not at the races on Friday. Been brilliant all season in a poor side but was dross on Friday. He made a
Few glaring mistakes.highlanders awful

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Post by Guest Mon 15 Apr 2013, 9:04 am

For those of you who watch top 14 what do you think or marvin o Connor the French winger at Bayonne.


I have him in my academy and he looks like he is starting to come good but academy numbers are tight.

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 15 Apr 2013, 11:04 am

Will POC get a ban for this?

http://www.rugbydump.com/ (should be first video up).

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Post by Guest Mon 15 Apr 2013, 11:15 am

Very very careless. Defo a ban

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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 15 Apr 2013, 11:19 am

Results are done guys, sorry for the delay, been a manic weekend.
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Post by Ozzy3213 Mon 15 Apr 2013, 1:29 pm

dammit_chris wrote:Will POC get a ban for this?

http://www.rugbydump.com/ (should be first video up).

That is careless and dangerous in the extreme.
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Post by Driver Mon 15 Apr 2013, 2:08 pm

I'v only just got him back arghhhhh
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Post by prop_lyd Mon 15 Apr 2013, 2:24 pm

Announced he won't be cited
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Post by Guest Mon 15 Apr 2013, 2:34 pm

Steve can you please out out a weakened side this week and lose the week after. I would like the chance of a home semi final

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Post by stnick88 Mon 15 Apr 2013, 4:33 pm

rumours that Sale are after Bowden from Leicester.

Wonder where they are looking at playing him.

For Irish he was a better 10 than 12, too small to play 12.

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 15 Apr 2013, 4:37 pm

Nick - saw that you signed Myles Dorrian from Exeter today - interesting signing as he's largely been 3rd choice 10 at Exeter. Good player though.

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Post by stnick88 Mon 15 Apr 2013, 4:38 pm

I imagine he will be 3rd choice for us behind iHumph and Geraghty.

More of a squad player really. Hardly an exciting signing!

Played with Phibbs at the Brumbies though so maybe that swung it for Smith.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Mon 15 Apr 2013, 7:28 pm

I heard that if we sign him he will play for Salford Reds in the offseason.

I'd take him every day of the week.

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Post by stnick88 Tue 16 Apr 2013, 12:34 pm

Hill has parted company with Worcester.

I know a lot of Warriors fans arent happy with him. Seem to think they should be doing better than they are which I disagree with as I think their squad, especially 1st XV, is one of the weakest. Losing Mullan, Kvesic, Cowan and Goode will only make them worse as well. Tough job for whoever takes over.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 16 Apr 2013, 12:39 pm

I think it will be us, Worcester and Newcastle fighting it out at the bottom next season Nick, and the way things are going at Worcester I would say they will be the most likely to go down!
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Post by stnick88 Tue 16 Apr 2013, 12:43 pm

agreed.

I don't think us and Sale can be as bad as we were in the first half of the season though. You look at our 2013 form and we are both around the mid table mark.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 16 Apr 2013, 1:01 pm

With current squad we'll be bottom 3, a few signings and we'll be ok.

We've just signed Brookes & Powell on 2 year deals. Brookes will be a good option if we can get him fit.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 16 Apr 2013, 1:06 pm

There have been improvements, particularly at home, but our away form is still horrendous. If that doesn't change we will be in a relegation scrap again next season.

We are still a few forwards light of being competitive next season. As far as I am concerned you need two full packs who can hack it at the top level to stand a chance, and in a couple of positions we are struggling badly with that.

1. ??? and ???
2. Paice and Mayhew
3. Aulika and Hagan
4. Skivington and ???
5. Evans and ???
6. ??? and ???
7. Treviranus and Sinclair
8. Hala'ufia and Cowan


I am presuming that Max is off to the Rebels, and in all honesty Yanuyanutawa hasn't looked up to much. Behind Skivs and Bryn we are struggling in the engine room, and Fisher needs to show that he can cut it at blindside. It also pains me to say it, but I think Dec is finished at the top level. Effectively we need 6 proven signings which I am not convinced we have the money for.
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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 16 Apr 2013, 2:00 pm

Sale apparently are close to signing 2 or 3 internationals. International doesn;t necessarily mean a good player though.

Although three more Daniel Braid's will be very welcome. Key to our survival.

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Post by stnick88 Tue 16 Apr 2013, 2:23 pm

Braid has been superb for you.


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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 16 Apr 2013, 2:34 pm

Player of the season by a mile for us. Such a top class player who we have got on a long term deal now I believe. Key to our survival and turnaround. Walks into nearly all the AP sides.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 16 Apr 2013, 2:36 pm

Interestingly the Saints fan board seem to think Parisse had signed for an AP side.

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Post by stnick88 Tue 16 Apr 2013, 2:43 pm

Hard to believe that.

Could be Saints or Wasps I guess.

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 16 Apr 2013, 2:52 pm

Couldn't see it being Saints, they must be very close to the salary cap with the excellent signings they have made - they've also got the Otago no10, who is meant to be pretty good.

Would be happy to get Parisse as a replacement for Billy V at Wasps - who apparently became the first player in the AP to beat 50 players in one season.

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Post by stnick88 Tue 16 Apr 2013, 3:11 pm

Surely North, Corbisiero and Fotuali'i will take Saints mighty close to the salary cap. I know they are losing Tonga and Mujati but the likes of Foden, Lawes, Hartley must be on decent wedge.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 16 Apr 2013, 3:38 pm

They not RFU funded?

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Post by stnick88 Tue 16 Apr 2013, 3:41 pm

doesnt mean they are not included in the salary cap though?


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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 16 Apr 2013, 3:43 pm

No idea actually.

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 16 Apr 2013, 4:04 pm

No their salaries are definitely included in the salary cap, it's just that they get an additional £15k a game for England on top of what they are earning at their clubs.

So that's got to be an extra £100k+ for anyone in the AIs and 6Nations so some pressure off the clubs there.

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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 16 Apr 2013, 4:42 pm

Wyatt Crockett and Francois Houghard availible for 5 mil a piece.

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