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POS	Aviva Premiership	PLAYED	WON	DREW	LOST	P F	P A	P D	T F	T A	TBP	LBP	POINTS
1	Leicester Tigers	21	17	1	3	542	460	+82	60	43	1	3	74
2	Harlequins	21	15	0	6	550	499	+51	60	50	3	5	68
3	Gloucester	21	14	0	7	546	488	+58	63	50	4	5	65
4	Newcastle Falcons	21	13	1	7	530	485	+45	56	45	1	7	62
5	Sale Sharks	21	12	0	9	536	508	+28	58	52	2	9	59
6	London Irish	21	11	0	10	532	517	+15	57	52	3	9	56
7	Northampton Saints	21	11	1	9	526	511	+15	55	53	2	8	56
8	London Welsh	21	9	3	9	495	484	+11	53	48	0	9	51
9	Bath Rugby	21	9	0	12	487	519	-32	46	56	0	8	44
10	Saracens	21	5	1	15	437	528	-91	39	57	0	7	29
11	Worcester Warriors	21	3	1	17	452	516	-64	39	57	1	11	26
12	London Wasps	21	3	0	18	419	537	-118	37	60	0	13	25

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Welcome to Season 5 of the Aviva Premiership fantasty rugby game. Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to. If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (Ozzy3213) as to how the situation will be resolved.

Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players. If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (me) will remove players at it’s discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the matchday 22's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make up of your squad.

Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have a listed senior academy squad of 20 players. Players who are in the senior academy must be under 22 years of age as of 1st September 2012 (therefore must have been born on or after 1st Septmber 1990). Players who are under the age of 20 (so born after 1st September 1992) AND are in the academy of the club that you are managing in real life, DO NOT need to be listed as senior academy players as part of your 20, but are available to you in this game and cannot be poached by other clubs without paying you a fee.

Should a player not listed in your 20 senior academy players, but part of the clubs academy in real life move clubs in real life, then you will have first option of promoting him to your listed senior academy. If you choose not to take this option he will become property of the club that he moves to in real life in this game.

Transfers wrote:

Domestic (other AP Teams)
Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.

Domestic (Championship and below)
Each team may during the season purchase no more than 3 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the Championship/National League bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on it's own merits before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

Foreign
To make a foreign transfer (i.e from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

Foreign transfers will unlimited during the off season and 2 during the season. The exact dates of the two transfer windows during the season is to be confirmed.

Player Releases wrote:
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

If a released player plays in real life for a team outside of this game he will be deemed to have returned to that team. If not then he will be deemed to have signed for a Championship side. If another manager wants to pick a released player up, they will have to bid for him in the same way as for a foreign or Championship/National League player.

Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players. Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.

Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be Heineken Cup, Amlin Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches. These games will take place once a week. A thread will be put up for managers to name their teams on Thursdays, then on Fridays, managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved). An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

At least 10 England qualified players in your matchday 23, and at least 5 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in forfeiting the match and a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.

Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point for a first offence, two for a second offence and so on.

Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£1.5m for descriptive predictions
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million

If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (ozzy3213) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.

by Sgt_Pooly Tue 23 Apr - 17:28

Talking of quality loose heads, Jonny Golding is retiring at end of season

by Guest Tue 23 Apr - 18:20

They should put his hair in a hall of fame

by stnick88 Tue 23 Apr - 20:10

I've heard he is retiring from rugby to play Thor in the new Avengers film

by Sgt_Pooly Tue 23 Apr - 20:41

Tavis Knoyle to Gloucester.

Quality little scrum half but an odd signing.

by dammit_chris Tue 23 Apr - 20:47

Chatted to a few friends in Bath this morning and they are saying that the club are in talks with Toby Falateau now and to have him as their main signing.

Only Quins who don't seem to be making any signings at the moment - can see Bath, Saints and Gloucester really stepping up next year.

by Sgt_Pooly Tue 23 Apr - 20:52

Jesus, Faletau would be a cracking signing. Baths pack would be cracking.

Henson supposed to be nailed on too to help Fords kicking

by stnick88 Tue 23 Apr - 20:53

I hope Bath crash and burn!!

But their squad is looking decent.

Backrow of Garvey, Louw and Faletau would be insane.

Glos backrow of Kalamafoni, Kvesic and Morgan is quality too.

Tigers - Croft, Salvi, Waldrom
Saints - Dowson, Wood, Manoa / Van Velze
Saracens - Brown, Fraser, Vunipola

Some seriously good backrows next year....Sarries and Bath the best for me. Glos not far behind, then Tigers then Saints.

by Sgt_Pooly Tue 23 Apr - 20:55

1. James
2. Webber
3. Wilson
4. Garvey
5. Attwood
6. Fearns
7. Louw
8. Faletau

9. Stringer
10. Ford
11. Biggs
12. Henson
13. JJ
14. Agulla
15. Abendanon

Cracking team.

by dammit_chris Tue 23 Apr - 20:58

Some huge backrows there.

Bath have got some serious money to throw around - have been very impressed with Agulla since he joined from Tigers, for me he's been one of the best wings in the AP since he joined.

by Sgt_Pooly Tue 23 Apr - 21:02

Forgot about him, is he staying there?

by dammit_chris Tue 23 Apr - 21:17

Yeah I think so.

Wonder where Henson signing will leave Eastmond? Think he's a bit too small to be an inside centre, but could be very good if he was used outwide and then brought in as 1st/2nd revceiver like Wasps do with Wade or GLoucester with May.

by Sgt_Pooly Tue 23 Apr - 21:17

See Sarries have signed Bruno

by Guest Tue 23 Apr - 21:19

Heard he was staying at Toulon for an extra season with smit not arriving

by Guest Tue 23 Apr - 21:22

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Tavis Knoyle to Gloucester.

Quality little scrum half but an odd signing.

This been doing the rounds for months. Since Cowan did his knee.

Either cowans injury is much worse or he is coming as 3rd choice.

With lewis leaving we are light at back up

by Guest Tue 23 Apr - 21:24

stnick88 wrote:I hope Bath crash and burn!!

But their squad is looking decent.

Backrow of Garvey, Louw and Faletau would be insane.

Glos backrow of Kalamafoni, Kvesic and Morgan is quality too.

Tigers - Croft, Salvi, Waldrom
Saints - Dowson, Wood, Manoa / Van Velze
Saracens - Brown, Fraser, Vunipola

Some seriously good backrows next year....Sarries and Bath the best for me. Glos not far behind, then Tigers then Saints.

Glos will be Qera kalamafoni and Morgan Backrow. Kvesic will be back up and add to our strength in depth. Kalamafoni and Qera were glos players of they year this year

by Guest Tue 23 Apr - 21:25

Think eastmond may get shifted out to back 3 again. He has had a good season but a few mares in defence at 12. He is more than willing but absolutely tiny.

Bath will challenge next year. Agulla been brilliant

by Guest Tue 23 Apr - 21:27

dammit_chris wrote:Chatted to a few friends in Bath this morning and they are saying that the club are in talks with Toby Falateau now and to have him as their main signing.

Only Quins who don't seem to be making any signings at the moment - can see Bath, Saints and Gloucester really stepping up next year.

This rumour will not go away. Dragons denied it about 3 weeks ago but it's in local press most days

by stnick88 Tue 23 Apr - 21:44

Kvesic will play more often than not for EQ reasons. Maybe Kalamafoni will drop out.

by Sgt_Pooly Tue 23 Apr - 21:46

Knoyle will be ahead of Robson, he's an Int scrum half

by Steven_Sharks Tue 23 Apr - 21:47

Kalamafoni been top class when I've seen him.

To be honest Nic Gloucester's backs sort out a lot of the EQP quota. Burns, 36, May, Trinder, Tindall, Robson, Mills etc.

by Guest Tue 23 Apr - 22:16

What is the E Q law? Did not think it existed anymore.

Savage wood harden Britton knight murphy morgan dawiduik etc all play regularly at glos as well as those backs.

Eq is not a problem for us compared to other teams

by stnick88 Tue 23 Apr - 23:01

the more EQ you play the more money you get i think. or something like that.

by Guest Tue 23 Apr - 23:26

Oh yeah I know of that one. Sale done well off that I remember readying

by SirJohnnyEnglish Tue 23 Apr - 23:30

Think you have to have an average number of EQ players across the season to be entitled to some RFU payments. Sale were under the average so put out kids to meet it on the last day of the season last year didn't they?

by stnick88 Tue 23 Apr - 23:34

arent they doing it this year as well hence putting a load of kids out to slaughter against Saints on the weekend!

by Guest Tue 23 Apr - 23:40

Yes indeed that's what the commentator said. As a gloucester fan it filled me with joy.

There's nothing in the rules against it so just have to take it. We would have done the same if we had nothing to play for and the chance for a nice cash boost.

by Steven_Sharks Wed 24 Apr - 0:05

Nah Diamond says it wasn't EQ quotas on saturday nick. not sure i believe him

by stnick88 Wed 24 Apr - 0:11

wonder if he will do the same v Wasps next weekend?

Guess it depends whether he wants the money or to try and finish 9th rather than 11th

by Sgt_Pooly Wed 24 Apr - 4:59

See Dan Bowden is training with London Broncos with view to potential move to RL

by stnick88 Wed 24 Apr - 17:30

surprises me, thought he would be too small for RL.

should never of left Irish, had a quality season for us and has just flopped at Tigers.

by Steven_Sharks Wed 24 Apr - 19:30

Salvi, Care, Borthwick, T. Youngs, Wade and Qera nominated for AP player of the year. All been excellent in AP. For me between Salvi, Wade and Qera.

by stnick88 Wed 24 Apr - 19:36

Salvi or Wade for me.

Borthwick, Qera and Care all been good but not at the above 2's level for me. Not sure Tom Youngs deserves to be on there.

Where is Halani Aulika!? 11 Tries for a tighthead!

by Steven_Sharks Wed 24 Apr - 19:37

Youngs been good in the AP although don't think he's played a lot.

by Sgt_Pooly Wed 24 Apr - 19:54

I'd plump for Wade.

Like to have seen Mako on there, he's been cracking this season. I'd have him ahead of players liek Borthwick and Qera.

by dammit_chris Wed 24 Apr - 21:21

Only 20,000 tickets sold for the semi-final at Twickers this weekend. Not surprised when the cheapest is £35 - ridiculous charge, could have easily been a sell out with Wilko returning!

by stnick88 Wed 24 Apr - 23:45

for anyone who wants a laugh and is on twitter, follow Grayforlions, a parody account for Alex Gray.

by Sgt_Pooly Thu 25 Apr - 3:53

See Wasps have picked up their new n8

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_8669440,00.html

by prop_lyd Thu 25 Apr - 4:42

Welsh Varsity is anyone's bored: http://www.s4c.co.uk/rygbi/rygbi-yn-fyw/

by dammit_chris Thu 25 Apr - 4:52

We've picked up 3 no8s for next summer Pooly, one from Championship (a Welsh guy), a New Zealander who is meant to be very good and now the London Welsh guy.

We really need to get some physicality in the pack, our big issue.

by Sgt_Pooly Thu 25 Apr - 4:56

Physicality and depth really, your first XV is top 6 but your squad isn't. Million times better than last season though.

Engine room needs a tweak. Palmer is pretty much finished and Wentzal offers little outside the lineout. Need a lump to partner Launchbury

by Steven_Sharks Thu 25 Apr - 4:58

Haven't signed a lump though. Have signed Myall who is a lineout lock (a very good one mind). Launch going to end up and enforcer if he isn't already so wouldn't expect them to sign one.

by Sgt_Pooly Thu 25 Apr - 5:03

Be a bit underpowered still. Launch is cracking but no enforcer

by dammit_chris Thu 25 Apr - 5:14

To be honest I don't think we need a lump, as all the guys we have are pretty big and decent - we just need to up the level of physicality we have at the breakdown, we are too nice as a team, we've had huge carriers in the backrow all season - BV, AJ and Haskell, but we just aren't aggressive enough as a team.

Exeter are a great example of being physical at the breakdown - I'm not so sure Dae Young knows how to coach this aspect properly, and our defence is a mess!

by Sgt_Pooly Thu 25 Apr - 5:19

It's ok having big carriers but none of your back 5 really clear out too well.

I really like Launchbury but he'd be better alongside a lump allowing him to roam the pitch.

by dammit_chris Thu 25 Apr - 5:33

Launch is still only 21, so think he will fill out over the next few season, we'll be playing a game where we look to dominate the kicking battle and lineout and then launching attacks from that.

Could have done with Rob Webber still being at the club for clearing out the rucks - he's been great for Bath when I've seen him play.

by Guest Thu 25 Apr - 5:44

Sgt_Pooly wrote:It's ok having big carriers but none of your back 5 really clear out too well.

I really like Launchbury but he'd be better alongside a lump allowing him to roam the pitch.

The biggest single reason that England breakdown was so
Good was launchburys clearing out.

Most of the coaches sited it. Earlier in the season I picked launchburys weakness but he improves
It out of sight.

How has palmer gone since back Chris? He has looked wasps Best forward over their poor run of form over the last few weeks which is not saying much.

Think its depth that's killed wasps. Like gloucester over last few seasons they just ran out of puff

by dammit_chris Thu 25 Apr - 5:52

I've always liked Palmer - trouble this year is that he's been playing with an injury from the start, then stopped playing for quite a few months, but since the Leinster game he's been good.

We do lack some depth in the front row, and probably quality replacements in the second row for when Palmer was injured.

I think there's more concern with coaching though - our breakdown work is poor, not individually but as a team and how we clear it out etc. Same with defence, all the Exeter tries were from poor defensive patterns - certain it is down to coaching.

by Guest Thu 25 Apr - 6:29

Work around the fringes was abysmal.
Really basic things like not having guards in place etc. who are wasps
Other coaches ?

Do they have seperate forwards coach? I know woodman is scrummaging coach

by dammit_chris Thu 25 Apr - 6:39

All Welsh coaches that Young took over, including Shane Howarth.

Not great I dont think - compare that to Exeter's team - we've been lucky that in Wade, Daly and Varndell we've got a lot of tries in the backs.

by dammit_chris Thu 25 Apr - 16:27

Pete/Nick you must be pleased with Bath taking another two of your youngsters Sisi and Watson! That's pretty much your youth team they've signed isn't it?

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