NFL Draft 2013 discussion

by mikeygnfl Thu 25 Apr 2013, 4:05 pm

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So that's the 2013 draft over. 254 picks from Eric Fisher to Justice Cunningham. So who were the value picks? Which teams were the winners? Who were the losers?

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5th Round

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6th Round

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7th Round

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by GSC Fri 26 Apr 2013, 9:51 am

As for 35, Cypriens a good player, really wouldn't be adverse to Geno or T'eo

by BamBam Fri 26 Apr 2013, 10:15 am

Lol at Dallas and Chicago!

Vikings gave up 4 picks to move up 13 spots, and the 49ers gave up 1 to move 13 spots ... Trent Baalke is the man!

Happy enough with Reid, especially as it hasn't cost us much to get him.

Best pick in the draft value wise looks to be Star Lotulelei to the Panthers, not so sure why Jets fans were booing the Sheldon Richardson pick either!

Worst value for me is undoubtedly Frederick to the Cowboys. Fairly sure he was seen as a fringe 2nd/3rd round type of guy. I know they need offensive line help, but surely there were better interior linemen available

by GSC Fri 26 Apr 2013, 10:19 am

The 49ers gave up 2, their first also.

As for value, I can't look past Sharrif Floyd at 23.

by Guest Fri 26 Apr 2013, 10:22 am

Happy with the raiders pick, now we need to continue to improve that front line of the defense

Picking up arguably the best cb available is a great move considering how bad our secondary was, but lack of talent aside that was also down to the fact we gave opposing QBs all the time in the world to make their throws and this still needs to be addressed. We could have the best CBs in the league but if we ain't rushing the passer we'll still get burnt

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Fri 26 Apr 2013, 10:24 am

I'm still not too sure why the Jets didn't go offence with either of there two picks, although there is a deep class.

Milliner I'm still not too sure about. There secondary was still very good without Revis last year, and they have more needs elsewhere imo

by Barney92 Fri 26 Apr 2013, 10:38 am

Yeah, I didn't think they really needed a corner either. Defensive tackle was a good choice. Milliner could be very good but I'm unsure whether he is really needed there.
I like Datone Jones for the Packers. If he comes off then it should really help the d-line and the secondary as a result.
Winners for me are the Vikings. 3 quality players for the Vikings. I know they gave up quite a number of picks for Patterson but now they have him and Jennings, Rudolph, Peterson, a good o-line and what should be an improved defence. They were a surprise playoff team this year but they have a very good chance of challenging again.
I didn't particularly like the Cowboys pick, but if they can get someone else good with the extra pick the trade will have been worth it.
I took Mingo with the Bengals in the mock but I still have doubts about him, especially 6th overall.

by ALPanorak Fri 26 Apr 2013, 10:52 am

I feel for Geno Smith, I don't think anyone expected him to drop out of the first round (EJ Manuel is a huge risk). I hope the Jaguars put him out out of his misery early in the second round....
I sat "misery" but he's still going to be earning millions and probably earn the starting QB place, so not all that bad - just a bit embarrassing i guess...

Looking forward to seeing my Redskins hopefully pick up a solid CB and WR in the coming rounds.

by Colan (niner) Fri 26 Apr 2013, 11:16 am

The Reid pick is one I'm caught in two minds about. I would have jumped with joy if you told me he's coming after the 2011 season but last year worries me. I think he is the most talented safety in the draft but that doesn't always mean everything. I think I will come around to loving this pick, just happy it isn't Rhodes or Ertz.

Vikings and Titans are my two other mini loves and I think they drafted incredibly well. Hate the Bills and Dolphins picks.

Love the fact we also gave up only one third to move half way up the first round. I'd trade our 34 for a qb needy team and move down 4 or 5 places. We could get third back and offer two thirds for a second. In this deep a draft, three seconds would be incredible!

by cherriesfna Fri 26 Apr 2013, 11:32 am

Viking winners,

thought the 9ers could have gotten reid at there original spot

by GSC Fri 26 Apr 2013, 11:43 am

I will never get the point of grading picks before players ever suit up for practice

by Lowlandbrit Fri 26 Apr 2013, 11:46 am

BamBam wrote:Vikings gave up 4 picks to move up 13 spots, and the 49ers gave up 1 to move 13 spots ... Trent Baalke is the man!

Vikings moved up 23 spots. Swapped the 20th pick of the second round for the 29th in the first.

by GSC Fri 26 Apr 2013, 11:47 am

Lowlandbrit wrote:
BamBam wrote:Vikings gave up 4 picks to move up 13 spots, and the 49ers gave up 1 to move 13 spots ... Trent Baalke is the man!
Vikings moved up 23 spots. Swapped the 20th pick of the second round for the 29th in the first.

Yeah, I wasn't sure where that logic came from really. Also the 49ers gave up 2.

by **Derbyblue** Fri 26 Apr 2013, 11:54 am

GSC wrote:I will never get the point of grading picks before players ever suit up for practice

Well for something to talk about or for websites to get hits and people talking about them.

I blame the rest of the NFL for me being unhappy with the Mingo pick, everybody's fault for not trading with us.

by Take it to the house Fri 26 Apr 2013, 11:55 am

Very happy with our first round, Floyd seems a steal at 23, added two other potentially very good players in positions of need! Decent offseason work by Spielman, if only he'd kept Winfield. Also, I wonder what we're going to do at the MLB position, probably won't be able to draft a starter with our next pick in the 4th round, Urlacher maybe? Whistle

by **Pr4wn** Fri 26 Apr 2013, 11:58 am

Whats the plan with the draft tonight then? Is it on NFL network? What time?

by Colan (niner) Fri 26 Apr 2013, 12:08 pm

cherriesfna wrote:Viking winners,

thought the 9ers could have gotten reid at there original spot

No chance after the reports that came out this week. Reid was pencilled to go between 18-23 from a lot of scouts. Also Baalke wouldn't have traded up unless he knew another team was preparing to take Reid

by GSC Fri 26 Apr 2013, 12:15 pm

Did every other GM share their boards with Baalke?

Laugh

by Colan (niner) Fri 26 Apr 2013, 12:38 pm

GSC wrote:Did every other GM share their boards with Baalke?

no but I know every GM knows the draft range of a player, Also I said I'd bring this up if it happened. I told you Eagles would take a tackle when I did a mock ages ago and you said it would be terrible move..............................

by GSC Fri 26 Apr 2013, 12:42 pm

I reserve the right to change my mind. You also had Lane Johnson going first no Whistle

Every GM has a range they like a player in. Everything else is misinformation. In this case the 49ers believed the reports enough to jump up, rightly or wrongly. Not through clairvoyant ability or reading leaves.

by **Derbyblue** Fri 26 Apr 2013, 12:45 pm

GSC wrote:Every GM has a range they like a player in. Everything else is misinformation. In this case the 49ers believed the reports enough to jump up, rightly or wrongly. Not through clairvoyant ability or reading leaves.

Exactly, niner is making it sound like the other teams were all kind enough to send the 49ers a lovely PDF of their draft boards. Whether right or wrong they've got a tonne of picks and only gave up a 3rd even if he would have been their at 31 it's not a huge price to pay if they had even a little doubt about him being there.

by Colan (niner) Fri 26 Apr 2013, 12:47 pm

GSC wrote:I reserve the right to change my mind. You also had Lane Johnson going first no

Every GM has a range they like a player in. Everything else is misinformation. In this case the 49ers believed the reports enough to jump up, rightly or wrongly. Not through clairvoyant ability or reading leaves.

Yes, but I didn't think it would happen, like I said at time, was just making a point that I think he will end up best tackle in draft. I did about ten other mocks since in different places where I had Joeckel or Fisher first. But I think you won a watch with Johnson tbh, one of the best picks of last night imo

by GSC Fri 26 Apr 2013, 12:49 pm

If you want 2 other examples from yesterday, the Dolphins jumped to 3 because they believed Chip wanted to reunite with Dion, rightly or wrongly.

Bills took Manuel at 16 because they believed reports about a couple of teams coming back into the first for him.

Its the culmination of months of 31 teams (Dallas excluded) all trying to outbluff each other.

by GSC Fri 26 Apr 2013, 12:51 pm

And ultimately at the end of the day, its getting a good player that counts, not where you take him. Vikings are getting A+s while the Browns are getting questioned about Mingo at 6.

In 3 years if Mingo has 40+ sacks and Floyd, Rhodes and Patterson are all so so players, who had the better first round?

by Colan (niner) Fri 26 Apr 2013, 12:55 pm

I think if the Eagles took Jordan, I'd be disappointed if I were a fan. Lots of potential but I saw a lot of Oregon and he never struck me as a top five pick, maybe thats because he was barely on the field though

by GSC Fri 26 Apr 2013, 12:57 pm

Didn't think it was a reunion that was likely to happen. Had it Fisher/Joeckel>Johnson>Star>Jordan

In recent years the trend is that college coaches don't take their guys anyway. Kelly never had the chance in the end, but Marrone chose Manuel

by GSC Fri 26 Apr 2013, 1:06 pm

Personally I'm just looking forward to the wildcat formation where Lane lines up at QB and Peters at TE

by **Derbyblue** Fri 26 Apr 2013, 1:19 pm

Pr4wn wrote:Whats the plan with the draft tonight then? Is it on NFL network? What time?

It should to be on NFL Network again tonight, meant to start at 6:30 their time so 11:30 here. Won't be staying up for it with the lack of a second.

by Bull Fri 26 Apr 2013, 2:03 pm

why lol at chicago ? we need OL players though there was much better on the board hopefully we are wiser this time.

does it start at 11.30 the draft ?

by **Derbyblue** Fri 26 Apr 2013, 2:15 pm

TheBrahmaBull wrote:why lol at chicago ? we need OL players though there was much better on the board hopefully we are wiser this time.

does it start at 11.30 the draft ?

Because we're 5 hours ahead.

Don't know who said lol about Chicago, it seems like it's a reach considering how he's valued on draft sites but your O-line has been letting you down for years so I can't really fault the pick.

by GSC Fri 26 Apr 2013, 2:29 pm

Both the Giants and Bears reached a tad I think. Cowboys just ****ed up I think and moved back too far

by GSC Fri 26 Apr 2013, 2:47 pm

Heard a rumour Garrett wanted to stay put at 18 and take BPA but Jerruh took the trade.

Also that Patterson was their last player left with a first round grade so they couldn't trade out again and had to take someone they had a 2nd round grade on.

by Forward Pass Fri 26 Apr 2013, 2:50 pm

GSC wrote:Both the Giants and Bears reached a tad I think. Cowboys just ****ed up I think and moved back too far

Agree we F.up
Didn't mind mind the trading down part
But if Fredricks was who we wanted we should have traded out of the first altogether
Could have got more picks and still got Fredricks mid 2nd

by GSC Fri 26 Apr 2013, 2:54 pm

Yeah, the trade down wasn't a bad move, they just went too far and had to settle.

Don't really think there was a way out of 31 for Dallas.

by Forward Pass Fri 26 Apr 2013, 3:04 pm

At least the interior line was a position of need
Having given Romo all that money we might as well keep him upright

Just hope Jerry can do better tonight
Be interesting to see who he wastes the extra pick on to see the true value of the trade

by **Derbyblue** Fri 26 Apr 2013, 3:07 pm

Teams I think reached:
Rams (Austin) - Bills got a good bunch of picks out of them for #8, Austin does give them the chance to be creative on the offense but I don't see him being Bradford's 'go to' guy and they're still a very young group of receivers in St Louis.
Chargers - I'm sorry taking a RT at #11 is bad.
Raiders - I know Hayden had apparently been climbing up draft boards of late but who had heard of him until the last couple of weeks? Plus if you can't pressure a QB or stop the run your CB's don't matter.
49ers - I think Reid had been falling down draft boards recently, had a poor year at LSU (something to do with losing Claiborne and Mathieu maybe?) still with that front 7 he get's a pretty easy job.
Giants/Bears - Both have expensive quarterbacks so obviously it's important to protect them but feel these guys could have been available later though without trade offers can see why they wouldn't risk it.
Cowboys - I don't think this needs explaining, but while some have said he's better than Konz and Zeitler from last year and he's an O-lineman coming out of Wisconsin so he's not going to be terrible I struggle to see him not being available in the second and they got terrible value for their pick from SF, wonder if they were hoping to get a nice few picks for Geno from somebody?

Jaguars - This one isn't really a reach there's no doubt Joeckel is a talented player, but you've spent the #2 and #8 picks on OT's in the last 5 drafts and now one of them has to play at RT which I don't think either of them have done before. As I said with SD taking Fluker I just think it's too high for an RT, luckily for them there's still depth elsewhere in this draft class but I think this was a poor choice.

by **Derbyblue** Fri 26 Apr 2013, 3:11 pm

Oh also the Rams with Ogletree but only because of off the field issues with Brown and Minter still there.

by GSC Fri 26 Apr 2013, 3:12 pm

Jeff Fisher taking a prospect with red flags isn't a reach, its destiny.

If Tavon Austin had shot up a bank or something he'd have traded his whole draft for him

by GSC Fri 26 Apr 2013, 3:23 pm

Geno Smith has decided to come back to New York for the draft.

Jacksonville told him hes going #33?

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Fri 26 Apr 2013, 3:28 pm

Must be GSC, would be the end of Gabbert one would think

by **Derbyblue** Fri 26 Apr 2013, 3:36 pm

Olly wrote:Must be GSC, would be the end of Gabbert one would think

Yeah I mean no other team in the draft could possibly have said they're taking him. If Joeckel then Geno was always their plan think they took a pretty big gamble, but fair play it's paid off.

by GSC Fri 26 Apr 2013, 3:36 pm

I mean, theoretically speaking, if hes coming back he must have some kind of assurance he isn't going to be there very long or hes just going to have more spotlight.

The only teams high that would want a QB would be Jacksonville and Philly since no trades have been completed.

by GSC Fri 26 Apr 2013, 3:39 pm

Beyond that, I think the 49ers will probably add Ertz to replace Delanie Walker in their 2 TE sets.

Eagles then picking between Cyprien, a CB or T'eo/Brown I think.

Lions might find it hard to pass on Hunter.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Fri 26 Apr 2013, 3:41 pm

Pr4wn wrote:Whats the plan with the draft tonight then? Is it on NFL network? What time?

I'm gonna stay up for a bit, Pats actually will pick this time!

by GSC Fri 26 Apr 2013, 3:44 pm

Makes more sense for Smith to stick around if the team making overtures to him plays next door to New York Whistle

by **Derbyblue** Fri 26 Apr 2013, 3:46 pm

GSC wrote:I mean, theoretically speaking, if hes coming back he must have some kind of assurance he isn't going to be there very long or hes just going to have more spotlight.

The only teams high that would want a QB would be Jacksonville and Philly since no trades have been completed.

Jets, Cards, Titans could all be interested.

GSC wrote:Lions might find it hard to pass on Hunter.

You're right they might, but I still think they need to go DB.

Buffalo going WR at #41?

by GSC Fri 26 Apr 2013, 3:51 pm

Its reasonably deep on DBs from here on out for Detroit, they seem determined to win via offense, and take their chances with their pass rush

by GSC Fri 26 Apr 2013, 4:00 pm

https://twitter.com/jaguars/status/327797865198014464/photo/1/large

Its alright for some

#airkhan

by GSC Fri 26 Apr 2013, 4:14 pm

That said, with Allen, Peppers and Matthews in the division they better find some protection

by **Derbyblue** Fri 26 Apr 2013, 4:15 pm

Just read apparently we had an offer for the 6th pick, assume it was from St. Louis. Crying or Very sad

by GSC Fri 26 Apr 2013, 4:18 pm

Or somebody that wanted a Guard.

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