Floyd v Canelo - this Septmeber?

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Just a few days removed from welterweight champion Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s dismantling of interim titleholder Robert Guerrero on Saturday night at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer told ESPN.com on Thursday that he already is working on Mayweather's next fight.

Schaefer said he is hopeful of finalizing a fight between Mayweather, the pound-for-pound king, and unified junior middleweight champion Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, a match that looms as one of the biggest

"I am working on the fight," Schaefer said. "I'm crunching the numbers. You should see my calculator -- it's red-hot. I am working on a lot of fights, but this is my No. 1 priority."

Schaefer, who promotes Alvarez and works with the 36-year-old Mayweather (44-0, 26 KOs) on a fight-by-fight basis -- but has promoted all seven of his fights since 2007 -- wants to make the fight.

"This is something I am pursuing and I am having conversations with both sides," Schaefer said. "Canelo wants the fight and Floyd has never turned down an opponent."

When Mayweather announced in December that he would fight on May 4, he also said he would fight twice in 2013 with the second date, Sept. 14, back at the MGM Grand. It's an ideal date to face Alvarez, one of Mexico's biggest stars, because it is the weekend of Mexican Independence Day, a traditional weekend for a major fight involving a top Mexican fighter. Mayweather's fights against Victor Ortiz (2011) and Juan Manuel Marquez (2009) were on the same weekend.

Alvarez (42-0-1, 30 KOs), 22, cemented his status as the top 154-pounder in the world on April 20 when he outpointed Austin Trout to unify two world titles in front of a sold-out crowd of 39,247 at the Alamodome in San Antonio.

Mayweather has not fought twice in a four-month span since 2003, but reiterated at the news conference after beating Guerrero that he planned to return quickly.

"We're going to be back in September," Mayweather said.

Mayweather has been on talk shows this week also saying he would fight again in September.

The fight would be the second of Mayweather's 30-month deal with Showtime/CBS for up to six fights, which he signed earlier this year after leaving longtime TV home HBO.

One of the key stumbling blocks to making a Mayweather-Alvarez fight, however, will be settling on the weight. Mayweather is the welterweight champion -- 147 pounds -- who has twice won junior middleweight belts but never has weighed more than 151 pounds for either of those 154-pound maximum fights. Alvarez is a big junior middleweight and has said he was not interested in negotiating a catchweight that would require him to fight at a weight lower than 154.

Whomever Mayweather fights in September, Schaefer said he needed to get the fight finalized in the next few weeks in order to launch the promotion properly.

Alvarez initially was supposed to fight Trout on the Mayweather-Guerrero undercard as long as he had a signed deal from Mayweather promising him the next fight, provided he beat Trout and Mayweather beat Guerrero. Mayweather, however, declined to sign the deal and Alvarez-Trout was instead moved to its own card on April 20 and did big business.

Canelo fought at 151 against the mighy matty Hatton. Surely a couple of pounds won't harm him.

Top 5 If he wins this..

When he wins.

Don't be silly if he wins it will be cause canelo was over hyped and green

Nope. Because Floyd is better

I'd be amazed if this happens so quickly -- maybe the Pacquiao shambles has convinced all parties to strike while the iron is hot.

Canelo's a good fighter -- arguably the toughest guy out there for him barring Martinez (who seems to be falling apart) and at a stretch, Lara.

Floyd should win comfortably, though, unless he dings a knuckle.

Diamond in the rough wrote:Don't be silly if he wins it will be cause canelo was over hyped and green

You may be right, Diamond.

I saw Floyd v Guerrero referred to as a 'dud fight' earlier today. It's easy to be wise after the event, but I recall a number of people on this board backing Guerrero to win. To retrospectively claim it was a gimme for Mayweather seems very harsh.

I think Guerrero is a top-level fighter and a very legitimate come-back fight for Floyd.

Alvarez is arguably the biggest challenge out there right now, so I will be very pleased if this comes to fruition.

Saul is all hype. Nothing else.

Canelo is very strong but went the distance with old man Mosley.

I think Mayweather can handle Canelo like he did Robert Guerrero but even if he win this does not make him top 5 like TRUSS says.

I dont think Canelo is just a hype job, but at 22 he has a tough task ahead of him if he takes this fight. A win here would probably rank along with Clay v Liston I on the "I shook the world" scale.

Yeah -- can't see how he beats Floyd. Trout's the best he's faced and that was really tight (and pretty dull).

I'm sticking with Khan. Think he gets the gig.

hazharrison wrote:Yeah -- can't see how he beats Floyd. Trout's the best he's faced and that was really tight (and pretty dull).

I'm sticking with Khan. Think he gets the gig.

Well Khan is making his voice heard but May 4th Mexican holiday, Mexicos newest boxing sensation up against Floyd Mayweather that is too big. Khan cannot generate that kind of money.

Floyd v Khan is real "man vs boy" stuff. I've (luke)warmed to Khan over the years (and certainly since he parted ways with Warren) but I struggle to put a case together for him beating Mayweather. That's not the same as saying he has no right to call him out. He can call out who he likes and if he gets into the ring then fair play to him but this is one step too far for him.

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:

hazharrison wrote:Yeah -- can't see how he beats Floyd. Trout's the best he's faced and that was really tight (and pretty dull).

I'm sticking with Khan. Think he gets the gig.

Well Khan is making his voice heard but May 4th Mexican holiday, Mexicos newest boxing sensation up against Floyd Mayweather that is too big. Khan cannot generate that kind of money.

Floyd's fighting in September.

Styles and fights Dave. Khan gets out hustled, mAyweather doesn't do much hustling. I didn't watch mayweather Guerrero... As I thought the result was a cast iron certainty unless floyd got shot over night.

I would watch khan mayweather, because I think khan would make it interesting for a while at least.

Alvarez is the most credible fight out there and the most sellable though.

DAVE667 wrote:Floyd v Khan is real "man vs boy" stuff. I've (luke)warmed to Khan over the years (and certainly since he parted ways with Warren) but I struggle to put a case together for him beating Mayweather. That's not the same as saying he has no right to call him out. He can call out who he likes and if he gets into the ring then fair play to him but this is one step too far for him.

I would echo this opinion basically. Alvarez has a much better chance due to his size and strength. Khan has too many flaws and is in a low patch of form.

if mayweather fights Alvarez next year on cinco de mayo (5th may 2014) then the fight will be a lot closer then if it was this yer. Alvarez is still very young and I think he needs 2 more big fights before he takes on Mayweather.

Alvarez would have outgrown the division by then. Maybe that's why Floyd wants the easy payday now. Lets hope canelo is not all talk like Pac.

I just think that at 22 he is too young to take on Floyd right now.

If he's good enough then he's old enough.

azania wrote:If he's good enough then he's old enough.

But is he good enough? he has had 1 major fight where he has beaten a top fighter. He needs at least 2 more major fighters on his cv before he takes on mayweather.

It does look as though Floyd's intention, as he approaches the autumn of his career, is to be a busy fighter. This is marvellous news from several angles; firstly, we get more chances to appreciate the skills of an exceptional fighter. From the point of view of his legacy, however, it is equally important. One of the few sticks which could genuinely be used to beat Floyd is his relative lack of activity over the past five years or so - the quality of his opposition has been fine, but he ought to have done more since 2007.

I agree that a win over Canelo, a proper 154 pounder, would cement FMJ's claim to a place in the top 10 fighters ever; perhaps not top 5 at this stage, although that may come, but around the 7-8 mark. Alvarez is currently the man in the 147-154 range who is in the best form (bar no-one), with the most marketable name (Pacquiao aside). In beating him, which I think Floyd will, he will set a very high bar for this generation of boxers.

I'd love to think that September will see this fight happen. Two more years of Floyd fighting at a rate of three good names a year, then retiring definitively with a 50-0 mark, and I shall have to accept that he belongs alongside the Robinsons, Armstrongs and Grebs.

Don’t know where I would rank him as it is not really fair to rank any fighter until he is done and dusted but if this fight happens I for one will be delighted. As the captain has said the fact it is being mooted for so soon after his last fight is a massive boon. Also from my own perspective was I to write a list of potential Floyd opponents out there now Alvarez would be top, and probably by some margin. For once with Floyd I have nowt to moan about with this one, if it happens.

Good post cap...except the last word which spoilt it for me.

azania wrote:Saul is all hype. Nothing else.

Yeah you were saying this before promising Trout was gonna hand him his backside.

I might start saying Floyd is all hype until he is eventually beat & then I can say told you so.

Ps I'd strangle my uncle, if anyone rates Floyd higher than Greb.

Cheers Rodders

Anyone who doesn't accept Greb's right to be called one of the finest fighters of all time isn't to be taken too seriously. Only Charles, Armstrong and maybe Leonard are really in the same discussion when it comes to numbers and quality of opposition beaten. The fact that he died before you were a glint in anyone's eye is immaterial, really.

You missed Langford Captain, will assume this is the typo it so obviously is.

Did he exist?

Rowley wrote:You missed Langford Captain, will assume this is the typo it so obviously is.

Never fought for a world title though Jeff, I'm sure I heard that ridiculous statement on here or the old 606.

Cheers rodders

Rodney wrote:

Rowley wrote:You missed Langford Captain, will assume this is the typo it so obviously is.

Never fought for a world title though Jeff, I'm sure I heard that ridiculous statement on here or the old 606.

Cheers rodders

That is certainly why I have Charles behind Enzo Mac at light heavy Rodders.

Once I get az's acknowledgement that pre-World War II fighters are entitled to be considered great, I'll start on those whose prime pre-dated the Great War, Jeff.

azania wrote:Did he exist?

Did Christopher Columbus ?


I haven't seen him on HD

Small steps Captain, very wise.

captain carrantuohil wrote:Anyone who doesn't accept Greb's right to be called one of the finest fighters of all time isn't to be taken too seriously. Only Charles, Armstrong and maybe Leonard are really in the same discussion when it comes to numbers and quality of opposition beaten. The fact that he died before you were a glint in anyone's eye is immaterial, really.

Have no problems with what you said captain but WHERE IS THE FOOTAGE.

He fought in a time where the digital technology was taking off, every fighter has footage of at least some of their fights.

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:

captain carrantuohil wrote:Anyone who doesn't accept Greb's right to be called one of the finest fighters of all time isn't to be taken too seriously. Only Charles, Armstrong and maybe Leonard are really in the same discussion when it comes to numbers and quality of opposition beaten. The fact that he died before you were a glint in anyone's eye is immaterial, really.

Have no problems with what you said captain but WHERE IS THE FOOTAGE.

He fought in a time where the digital technology was taking off, every fighter has footage of at least some of their fights.

What difference is it going to make ? Are you telling me you'd immediately rank Greb as the greatest once you've seen him in action, the frames of a camera were hopeless back then so it's impossible for you create a full analysis off footage alone.

You could as many normal fans and historians do is rate Greb on his phenomenal record and the opinions of guys we've actually seen and he has beaten such as Gene Tunney. However some nitwits prefer to use a silly lazy analysis of does he exist ?

By the way apparently his fight with Walker was actually recorded & the footage is in my attic.

Cheers Rodders

According to his biography at least six of Greb’s fights were filmed, including I believe one of his ones with Tunney and one with Walker, although I may be wrong about this. The film is either lost or had been destroyed.

Is not really that unusual Burley operated a good 10 or 20 years after Greb and we only have only one of his fights.

I have this wild idea, ONETWO, that some day, an old dear in Peoria, Shreveport, Stockton CA or some other out of the way dump will unearth the footage that we've all been waiting for in her shed or attic. I doubt whether there would be a more valuable sports artefact on the planet, with the possible exception of the Honus Wagner baseball card.

The old dear could then move to Palm Springs or Hawaii, while the rest of us could see what every boxing writer of the day and opponent of Greb's knew and said at the time - here was a fighter like few others.

I cannot see Mayweather ever fighting Canelo - to much risk at this stage of his career.

I would be estatic if it happens but can't see at all.

I would like Floyd to fight Khan in some ways purely because it will be entertaining. I would love Canelo match up but can't see Floyd going up to 154 again.

captain carrantuohil wrote:

The old dear could then move to Palm Springs or Hawaii, while the rest of us could see what every boxing writer of the day and opponent of Greb's knew and said at the time - here was a fighter like few others.

Remember reading a quote from either Jacobs or Cayton, who at one time had the largest collection of fight films in the world saying they would happily pay pretty much anything for such footage. May be worth checking your lofts this weekend.

Gene Tunneys detailed description of his fight with Greb....

“In the first exchange in the first round, I sustained a double fracture of the nose, which bled continually until the finish. Toward the end of the first round, my left eyebrow was laid open four inches. I am convinced that the adrenaline solution that had been injected so softened the tissue that the first blow or butt I received cut the flesh right to the bone.

“In the third round another cut over the right eye left me looking through a red film. For the best part of twelve rounds, I saw this red phantom-like form dancing before me. I had provided myself with a fifty per cent mixture of brandy and orange juice to take between rounds in the event I became weak from loss of blood. I had never taken anything during a fight up to that time. Nor did I ever again.

“It is impossible to describe the bloodiness of this fight. My seconds were unable to stop either the bleeding from the cut over my left eye, which involved a severed artery, or the bleeding consequent to the nose fractures. Doc Bagley, who was my chief second, made futile attempts to congeal the nose bleeding by pouring adrenaline into his hand and having me snuff it up my nose. This I did round after round. The adrenaline, instead of coming out through the nose again, ran down my throat with the blood and into my stomach.

“At the end of the twelfth round, I believed it was a good time to take a swallow of this brandy and orange juice. It had hardly gotten to my stomach when the ring started whirling around. The bell rang for the thirteenth round; the seconds pushed me from my chair. I actually saw two red opponents. How I ever survived the thirteenth, fourteenth and fifteenth rounds is still a mystery to me. At any rate, the only consciousness I had was to keep trying. I knew if I ever relaxed, I would either collapse or the referee would stop the brutality

Does anyone really believe that?

captain carrantuohil wrote:Once I get az's acknowledgement that pre-World War II fighters are entitled to be considered great, I'll start on those whose prime pre-dated the Great War, Jeff.

They were great. ....but in their time. None could live with an average contender today with their primitive skills.

A midel t was a great car. But a ford escort is better. Time and people move on.

azania wrote:

captain carrantuohil wrote:Once I get az's acknowledgement that pre-World War II fighters are entitled to be considered great, I'll start on those whose prime pre-dated the Great War, Jeff.

They were great. ....but in their time. None could live with an average contender today with their primitive skills.

A midel t was a great car. But a ford escort is better. Time and people move on.

If that's the case how come An ancient overweight George Foreman was able to complete with the echelons of the top fighters in the 90s ? Late into his forties.

I assume we're basing guys who fought in the 70s as primitive since really 40 odd years has passed since and things have improved enourmously as your theory suggests.

Ali peaked in the 60s that's nearly half a century ago, you telling me someone average joe like Chisora would be a match for him ? Or Chris Arreola could hang with Sonny Liston?

Surely your theory doesn't work ? Because Ali is an old time fighter and you can't use that yardstick.

Cheers Rodders

Rodney wrote:

Rowley wrote:You missed Langford Captain, will assume this is the typo it so obviously is.

Never fought for a world title though Jeff, I'm sure I heard that ridiculous statement on here or the old 606.

Cheers rodders

I said it..........and I'll stick by it.......Montgomerie has beaten Harrington more times in tournaments but it when it mattered Harrington won three Majors and will rightfully be ranked higher.........

Langford never fought at the highest level for the ultimate prize...........Politics or not the pressures are different....

I'll call them great but mark them down in lists accordingly..........I mean some continue to regard Louis as higher than Mayweather...

Fairplay as well..If bizarre..

Rodney wrote:

azania wrote:

captain carrantuohil wrote:Once I get az's acknowledgement that pre-World War II fighters are entitled to be considered great, I'll start on those whose prime pre-dated the Great War, Jeff.

They were great. ....but in their time. None could live with an average contender today with their primitive skills.

A midel t was a great car. But a ford escort is better. Time and people move on.

If that's the case how come An ancient overweight George Foreman was able to complete with the echelons of the top fighters in the 90s ? Late into his forties.

I assume we're basing guys who fought in the 70s as primitive since really 40 odd years has passed since and things have improved enourmously as your theory suggests.

Ali peaked in the 60s that's nearly half a century ago, you telling me someone average joe like Chisora would be a match for him ? Or Chris Arreola could hang with Sonny Liston?

Surely your theory doesn't work ? Because Ali is an old time fighter and you can't use that yardstick.

Cheers Rodders

The capt said pre war. I was talking pre war. Where you get 1970s from only you know.

He gets the 70s because that's when Boxing ended for him..

It's one thing arguing with Rowley, Chris and Haz but this guy doesn't rate anybody who doesn't own an LP by the The monkees or the Beegees..

azania wrote:

Rodney wrote:

azania wrote:

captain carrantuohil wrote:Once I get az's acknowledgement that pre-World War II fighters are entitled to be considered great, I'll start on those whose prime pre-dated the Great War, Jeff.

They were great. ....but in their time. None could live with an average contender today with their primitive skills.

A midel t was a great car. But a ford escort is better. Time and people move on.

If that's the case how come An ancient overweight George Foreman was able to complete with the echelons of the top fighters in the 90s ? Late into his forties.

I assume we're basing guys who fought in the 70s as primitive since really 40 odd years has passed since and things have improved enourmously as your theory suggests.

Ali peaked in the 60s that's nearly half a century ago, you telling me someone average joe like Chisora would be a match for him ? Or Chris Arreola could hang with Sonny Liston?

Surely your theory doesn't work ? Because Ali is an old time fighter and you can't use that yardstick.

Cheers Rodders

The capt said pre war. I was talking pre war. Where you get 1970s from only you know.

I was using it as you said things improve throughout time, Ali peaked in the 60s nearly 50 years ago, has time stood still since then? Your theory is inconstent gash as normal.

Cheers Rodders

Jesse Owens beats Usain Bolt..........Sam Snead thrashes Woods......

We get it...Mate.

Yeah running in straight lines is the same as boxing ?

Klitschko beats Ali then I get it mate !

Change the rules to protect your pet fighters.

Cheers Rodders

I said pre war. Talk about the 70s if you want. Knock yourself out.