Burns v Gonzalez

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I don't know too much about Gonzalez, but think Burns should be good for a pts victory in this one. What do you guys think?

So much rubbish posted on here, he didn't take a dive, he was finished after the 7th, whether he was dog tired or he was injured, who knows.

There are plenty of examples of fighters having injuries and fighting on regardless. He quit that's the bottom line.

Ent wrote:Why the hell would you quit on your stool if you were at least 5 ahead, unhurt etc and going for a world title fight.

Offered a million to quit mid fight imo.

Well it would now appear he did have a left wrist injury. The guy was the better fighter but you have to question his heart. It would seem he wasn't prepared to go through the pain barrier to win a world title. To summarise:- Gonzalez the better fighter but Burns with more heart and desire tonight.

manos de piedra wrote:The guy was punched out, had nothing left, and didnt fancy the hard three rounds Burns was going to attack him with everything.

Exactly.

I think Ricky's performance can be down to misjudging what type of fighter he was going to face. He was far more mobile in previous fights and he said int he post fight interview that he thought Gonzo was going to be a come forward straight up kind of fighter. I think it was more about prep than skills. very disappointing way to end but I very much doubt he was bought. as if you'd throw away a world title even for a million quid...

Credit to burns, any talk of a fix is ludicrous, the guy was gassed (legs gone) and Burns absorbed his best. I'd have put money on Burns finishing it or winning every round afterwards, heart was gone for Gonzalez. Burns just didn't look very good though

djlovesyou wrote:

Ent wrote:Why the hell would you quit on your stool if you were at least 5 ahead, unhurt etc and going for a world title fight.

Offered a million to quit mid fight imo.

As someone said, he would have been gutted had those big punches in the 7th stopped burns.

You sound a touch bitter about something to be honest.

Not a fan of anyone, first time I've seen burns.

Smacked around for 7/8 rounds and his opponent quits because he is disheartedned he didn't knock him out???

Hearns offered big cash mid fight for a dive imo...

TumblingDice wrote:

Ent wrote:Why the hell would you quit on your stool if you were at least 5 ahead, unhurt etc and going for a world title fight.

Offered a million to quit mid fight imo.

Disagree there Ent, many guys would have been knocked out by some of the shots he hit Burns with... That's not the behaviour of a fix.

Or maybe Burns fitted the bill, took the shots and helped see the in-play odds rise massively. It happens in all sports.

Not that I'm saying it was a fix though.

CaledonianCraig wrote:

Ent wrote:Why the hell would you quit on your stool if you were at least 5 ahead, unhurt etc and going for a world title fight.

Offered a million to quit mid fight imo.

Well it would now appear he did have a left wrist injury. The guy was the better fighter but you have to question his heart. It would seem he wasn't prepared to go through the pain barrier to win a world title. To summarise:- Gonzalez the better fighter but Burns with more heart and desire tonight.

If skill always won in boxing, it would be too predictable, there are also intangibles that some fighters have and others don't.

manos de piedra wrote:The guy was punched out, had nothing left, and didnt fancy the hard three rounds Burns was going to attack him with everything.

Burns had landed nothing to trouble Gonzalez so why would gonxalez suddenly quit because he feared burns' big shots? makes no sense.

tunes666 wrote:

Group Cpt Lionel Mandrake wrote:He is victor Ortiz in disguise

I cant really work out how people say that, these guys are very brave people and take alot of punishment, only they know if they can continue of now and its their lives and likelihood so wont quite easy. Ortiz was right to quit which his jaw broken a lodged open. Dont see Ortiz as a quitter at all. If he was a quitter he would not still be boxing.

Ortiz's frailties are due to his troubled family life as a child.

Had he had a role model in his childhood he'd would much more a ease within himself.

Colan (niner) wrote:Credit to burns, any talk of a fix is ludicrous, the guy was gassed (legs gone) and Burns absorbed his best. I'd have put money on Burns finishing it or winning every round afterwards, heart was gone for Gonzalez. Burns just didn't look very good though

Even if Burns won every round left he would have lost...

BoxingFan88 wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:

Ent wrote:Why the hell would you quit on your stool if you were at least 5 ahead, unhurt etc and going for a world title fight.

Offered a million to quit mid fight imo.

Well it would now appear he did have a left wrist injury. The guy was the better fighter but you have to question his heart. It would seem he wasn't prepared to go through the pain barrier to win a world title. To summarise:- Gonzalez the better fighter but Burns with more heart and desire tonight.

If skill always won in boxing, it would be too predictable, there are also intangibles that some fighters have and others don't.

Exactly. But try telling that to some people on here.

Hate saying it, but he quit. No heart, no bottle, no bolox.

Ent wrote:

djlovesyou wrote:

Ent wrote:Why the hell would you quit on your stool if you were at least 5 ahead, unhurt etc and going for a world title fight.

Offered a million to quit mid fight imo.

As someone said, he would have been gutted had those big punches in the 7th stopped burns.

You sound a touch bitter about something to be honest.

Not a fan of anyone, first time I've seen burns.

Smacked around for 7/8 rounds and his opponent quits because he is disheartedned he didn't knock him out???

Hearns offered big cash mid fight for a dive imo...

rubbish. He just bottled it. No fighter would give up a world title 9 rounds into a fight where you're a mile ahead.

If he works on his stamina Gonzales is a scary prospect though. could be an all time great with a bit of heart

Ent wrote:

djlovesyou wrote:

Ent wrote:Why the hell would you quit on your stool if you were at least 5 ahead, unhurt etc and going for a world title fight.

Offered a million to quit mid fight imo.

As someone said, he would have been gutted had those big punches in the 7th stopped burns.

You sound a touch bitter about something to be honest.

Not a fan of anyone, first time I've seen burns.

Smacked around for 7/8 rounds and his opponent quits because he is disheartedned he didn't knock him out???

Hearns offered big cash mid fight for a dive imo...

Based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever, he was gassed after the 7th and put everything in to it to get a knockout. There are plenty of examples of fighters completely gassing trying to get the finish.

Kirkland vs Angulo anyone????

Ent wrote:

Colan (niner) wrote:Credit to burns, any talk of a fix is ludicrous, the guy was gassed (legs gone) and Burns absorbed his best. I'd have put money on Burns finishing it or winning every round afterwards, heart was gone for Gonzalez. Burns just didn't look very good though

Even if Burns won every round left he would have lost...

Not if he put him on his backside he wouldn't

Being south American makes it even worse quitting!!

Ent wrote:

djlovesyou wrote:

Ent wrote:Why the hell would you quit on your stool if you were at least 5 ahead, unhurt etc and going for a world title fight.

Offered a million to quit mid fight imo.

As someone said, he would have been gutted had those big punches in the 7th stopped burns.

You sound a touch bitter about something to be honest.

Not a fan of anyone, first time I've seen burns.

Smacked around for 7/8 rounds and his opponent quits because he is disheartedned he didn't knock him out???

Hearns offered big cash mid fight for a dive imo...

Stupid comment. So hearns told him to give Burns a shellacking in the 7th and quit 2 rounds later? I have a bridge to sell you.

mckay1402 wrote:

Ent wrote:

djlovesyou wrote:

Ent wrote:Why the hell would you quit on your stool if you were at least 5 ahead, unhurt etc and going for a world title fight.

Offered a million to quit mid fight imo.

As someone said, he would have been gutted had those big punches in the 7th stopped burns.

You sound a touch bitter about something to be honest.

Not a fan of anyone, first time I've seen burns.

Smacked around for 7/8 rounds and his opponent quits because he is disheartedned he didn't knock him out???

Hearns offered big cash mid fight for a dive imo...

rubbish. He just bottled it. No fighter would give up a world title 9 rounds into a fight where you're a mile ahead.

If he works on his stamina Gonzales is a scary prospect though. could be an all time great with a bit of heart

There is an argument for him having won every round, certainly 7/9 without shipping any damage - why on earth would he have quit?

Ent wrote:

mckay1402 wrote:

Ent wrote:

djlovesyou wrote:

Ent wrote:Why the hell would you quit on your stool if you were at least 5 ahead, unhurt etc and going for a world title fight.

Offered a million to quit mid fight imo.

As someone said, he would have been gutted had those big punches in the 7th stopped burns.

You sound a touch bitter about something to be honest.

Not a fan of anyone, first time I've seen burns.

Smacked around for 7/8 rounds and his opponent quits because he is disheartedned he didn't knock him out???

Hearns offered big cash mid fight for a dive imo...

rubbish. He just bottled it. No fighter would give up a world title 9 rounds into a fight where you're a mile ahead.

If he works on his stamina Gonzales is a scary prospect though. could be an all time great with a bit of heart

There is an argument for him having won every round, certainly 7/9 without shipping any damage - why on earth would he have quit?

He did nothing in the 8th and 9th so I have no idea how he could have won them, he gassed totally and didn't want anymore.

Had Gonzales fought past 8 rounds before? I know he'd only fought something like 66 rounds in his previous fights. I don't think there was anything underhand going on, just that he pasted Ricky for 7 rounds, when he usually did that they either went down or gave up. Ricky just fought on and broke his spirit. Just didnt fancy being a punchbag for the remaining rounds.

Ent wrote:

mckay1402 wrote:

Ent wrote:

djlovesyou wrote:

Ent wrote:Why the hell would you quit on your stool if you were at least 5 ahead, unhurt etc and going for a world title fight.

Offered a million to quit mid fight imo.

As someone said, he would have been gutted had those big punches in the 7th stopped burns.

You sound a touch bitter about something to be honest.

Not a fan of anyone, first time I've seen burns.

Smacked around for 7/8 rounds and his opponent quits because he is disheartedned he didn't knock him out???

Hearns offered big cash mid fight for a dive imo...

rubbish. He just bottled it. No fighter would give up a world title 9 rounds into a fight where you're a mile ahead.

If he works on his stamina Gonzales is a scary prospect though. could be an all time great with a bit of heart

There is an argument for him having won every round, certainly 7/9 without shipping any damage - why on earth would he have quit?

It would seem he had an injured left wrist. Some boxers would have the heart and desire to fight though the pain to get the world title. Seemingly, Gonzalez is not one of those boxers.

He quit like Vitali. On his stool. Unforgivable.

azania wrote:

Ent wrote:

djlovesyou wrote:

Ent wrote:Why the hell would you quit on your stool if you were at least 5 ahead, unhurt etc and going for a world title fight.

Offered a million to quit mid fight imo.

As someone said, he would have been gutted had those big punches in the 7th stopped burns.

You sound a touch bitter about something to be honest.

Not a fan of anyone, first time I've seen burns.

Smacked around for 7/8 rounds and his opponent quits because he is disheartedned he didn't knock him out???

Hearns offered big cash mid fight for a dive imo...

Stupid comment. So hearns told him to give Burns a shellacking in the 7th and quit 2 rounds later? I have a bridge to sell you.

Jesus Az you calling someone elses comment stupid....

after 7th he sends someone to his corner, after 8th they tell him he will get big cash to quit - quits next round.

Fairly obvious, or is it more likely a puerto rican profession boxer winning 7 or 8 rounds out of 9 quits on his stool when unhurt....

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:The guy was punched out, had nothing left, and didnt fancy the hard three rounds Burns was going to attack him with everything.

Burns had landed nothing to trouble Gonzalez so why would gonxalez suddenly quit because he feared burns' big shots? makes no sense.

Because he was exhausted. 3 rounds is an enternity when your tank is empty. He put everything into trying to take Burns out in the 7th. He was blowing going back to his corner, they were desperately trying to get energy back into his legs. His workrate dropped noticeably in the next two rounds.

Ridiculous to suggest either Hearn paid the guy to beat Burns up for 7 rounds and then quit (aswell as coming within a whisker of stopping him) or else in the space of 6 minutes snuck over and offered 1million quid to Gonzales to quit. As if they would even take his word for it.

tomfinneywalksonwater wrote:Had Gonzales fought past 8 rounds before? I know he'd only fought something like 66 rounds in his previous fights. I don't think there was anything underhand going on, just that he pasted Ricky for 7 rounds, when he usually did that they either went down or gave up. Ricky just fought on and broke his spirit. Just didnt fancy being a punchbag for the remaining rounds.

He had only been 10 rounds once.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Being south American makes it even worse quitting!!

Who's South American?
The Puerto Rican?

CaledonianCraig wrote:

Ent wrote:

mckay1402 wrote:

Ent wrote:

djlovesyou wrote:

Ent wrote:Why the hell would you quit on your stool if you were at least 5 ahead, unhurt etc and going for a world title fight.

Offered a million to quit mid fight imo.

As someone said, he would have been gutted had those big punches in the 7th stopped burns.

You sound a touch bitter about something to be honest.

Not a fan of anyone, first time I've seen burns.

Smacked around for 7/8 rounds and his opponent quits because he is disheartedned he didn't knock him out???

Hearns offered big cash mid fight for a dive imo...

rubbish. He just bottled it. No fighter would give up a world title 9 rounds into a fight where you're a mile ahead.

If he works on his stamina Gonzales is a scary prospect though. could be an all time great with a bit of heart

There is an argument for him having won every round, certainly 7/9 without shipping any damage - why on earth would he have quit?

It would seem he had an injured left wrist. Some boxers would have the heart and desire to fight though the pain to get the world title. Seemingly, Gonzalez is not one of those boxers.

With so many belts around he figured he'd get another shot. With only one belt, I bet he would have carried on.

Either way burns exposed.

Big test for Hearns as to how he will match him.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Being south American makes it even worse quitting!!

Cool then. He's not South American. All is forgiven.

I've lost track who is the actual champ in Burns division.

Ent wrote:I've lost track who is the actual champ in Burns division.

Probably Burns....

manos de piedra wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:The guy was punched out, had nothing left, and didnt fancy the hard three rounds Burns was going to attack him with everything.

Burns had landed nothing to trouble Gonzalez so why would gonxalez suddenly quit because he feared burns' big shots? makes no sense.

Because he was exhausted. 3 rounds is an enternity when your tank is empty. He put everything into trying to take Burns out in the 7th. He was blowing going back to his corner, they were desperately trying to get energy back into his legs. His workrate dropped noticeably in the next two rounds.

Ridiculous to suggest either Hearn paid the guy to beat Burns up for 7 rounds and then quit (aswell as coming within a whisker of stopping him) or else in the space of 6 minutes snuck over and offered 1million quid to Gonzales to quit. As if they would even take his word for it.

He had just had an '8' minute rest. Even though he was tired in rounds 8 and 9 burns never landed anything and couldnt touch him.

BoxingFan88 wrote:

Ent wrote:I've lost track who is the actual champ in Burns division.

Probably Burns....

Broner really.

Ent wrote:

BoxingFan88 wrote:

Ent wrote:I've lost track who is the actual champ in Burns division.

Probably Burns....

Broner really.

Broner is at Welterweight...

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:The guy was punched out, had nothing left, and didnt fancy the hard three rounds Burns was going to attack him with everything.

Burns had landed nothing to trouble Gonzalez so why would gonxalez suddenly quit because he feared burns' big shots? makes no sense.

Because he was exhausted. 3 rounds is an enternity when your tank is empty. He put everything into trying to take Burns out in the 7th. He was blowing going back to his corner, they were desperately trying to get energy back into his legs. His workrate dropped noticeably in the next two rounds.

Ridiculous to suggest either Hearn paid the guy to beat Burns up for 7 rounds and then quit (aswell as coming within a whisker of stopping him) or else in the space of 6 minutes snuck over and offered 1million quid to Gonzales to quit. As if they would even take his word for it.

He had just had an '8' minute rest. Even though he was tired in rounds 8 and 9 burns never landed anything and couldnt touch him.

This guy had been 10 rounds once, threw the kitchen sink in the 7th and even got hurt himself a few times.

Light


DeMarco = wbc


Rios=wba


Vazquez- ibf


Burns = wbo

BoxingFan88 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:The guy was punched out, had nothing left, and didnt fancy the hard three rounds Burns was going to attack him with everything.

Burns had landed nothing to trouble Gonzalez so why would gonxalez suddenly quit because he feared burns' big shots? makes no sense.

Because he was exhausted. 3 rounds is an enternity when your tank is empty. He put everything into trying to take Burns out in the 7th. He was blowing going back to his corner, they were desperately trying to get energy back into his legs. His workrate dropped noticeably in the next two rounds.

Ridiculous to suggest either Hearn paid the guy to beat Burns up for 7 rounds and then quit (aswell as coming within a whisker of stopping him) or else in the space of 6 minutes snuck over and offered 1million quid to Gonzales to quit. As if they would even take his word for it.

He had just had an '8' minute rest. Even though he was tired in rounds 8 and 9 burns never landed anything and couldnt touch him.

This guy had been 10 rounds once, threw the kitchen sink in the 7th and even got hurt himself a few times.

So what we are saying is that Burns won the fight because Gonzalez got tired in round 7 so decided to quit at the start of round 10.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

BoxingFan88 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:The guy was punched out, had nothing left, and didnt fancy the hard three rounds Burns was going to attack him with everything.

Burns had landed nothing to trouble Gonzalez so why would gonxalez suddenly quit because he feared burns' big shots? makes no sense.

Because he was exhausted. 3 rounds is an enternity when your tank is empty. He put everything into trying to take Burns out in the 7th. He was blowing going back to his corner, they were desperately trying to get energy back into his legs. His workrate dropped noticeably in the next two rounds.

Ridiculous to suggest either Hearn paid the guy to beat Burns up for 7 rounds and then quit (aswell as coming within a whisker of stopping him) or else in the space of 6 minutes snuck over and offered 1million quid to Gonzales to quit. As if they would even take his word for it.

He had just had an '8' minute rest. Even though he was tired in rounds 8 and 9 burns never landed anything and couldnt touch him.

This guy had been 10 rounds once, threw the kitchen sink in the 7th and even got hurt himself a few times.

So what we are saying is that Burns won the fight because Gonzalez got tired in round 7 so decided to quit at the start of round 10.

None of us have come on here saying that Burns looked great winning or anything, all we are saying is Gonzalez quit because his tank was empty and didn't want anymore. He didn't do anything in the 8th and 9th, so it pretty much supports that statement.

No Champagne more like - Gonzalez used up all his energy going for the knockout in Round 7 (lets be honest here even the commentators spotted seeing his cornermen around that time massaging his legs and saying how the spring had gone out of his step. Consider as well that he had injured his wrist and he was in pain then that coupled with fatigue was the catalyst. He never had the stomach to carry on in those circumstances and perhaps that is why his trainer looked so disgusted.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:The guy was punched out, had nothing left, and didnt fancy the hard three rounds Burns was going to attack him with everything.

Burns had landed nothing to trouble Gonzalez so why would gonxalez suddenly quit because he feared burns' big shots? makes no sense.

Because he was exhausted. 3 rounds is an enternity when your tank is empty. He put everything into trying to take Burns out in the 7th. He was blowing going back to his corner, they were desperately trying to get energy back into his legs. His workrate dropped noticeably in the next two rounds.

Ridiculous to suggest either Hearn paid the guy to beat Burns up for 7 rounds and then quit (aswell as coming within a whisker of stopping him) or else in the space of 6 minutes snuck over and offered 1million quid to Gonzales to quit. As if they would even take his word for it.

He had just had an '8' minute rest. Even though he was tired in rounds 8 and 9 burns never landed anything and couldnt touch him.

I dont think he did have a rest. He had to move for those two rounds. He wasnt throwing anything back. I think he knew Burns was going to catch up within him in the next few rounds and he didnt have the energy or strength or heart in his body left to deal with it. Possibly he was injured too but it had all the signs of a fighter pouring everything into one round and then punching himself out. Then he had the mental blow of his opponent taking all his best shots and coming out strong in the next round. I dont think he fancied the last three rounds.

CaledonianCraig wrote:No Champagne more like - Gonzalez used up all his energy going for the knockout in Round 7 (lets be honest here even the commentators spotted seeing his cornermen around that time massaging his legs and saying how the spring had gone out of his step. Consider as well that he had injured his wrist and he was in pain then that coupled with fatigue was the catalyst. He never had the stomach to carry on in those circumstances and perhaps that is why his trainer looked so disgusted.

using up all your energy = being tired.

Gonalez got tired after punching Burn's face all night so he quit.

azania wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:Being south American makes it even worse quitting!!

Cool then. He's not South American. All is forgiven.

Ahhh the Moron

I blame the hat man

manos de piedra wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:The guy was punched out, had nothing left, and didnt fancy the hard three rounds Burns was going to attack him with everything.

Burns had landed nothing to trouble Gonzalez so why would gonxalez suddenly quit because he feared burns' big shots? makes no sense.

Because he was exhausted. 3 rounds is an enternity when your tank is empty. He put everything into trying to take Burns out in the 7th. He was blowing going back to his corner, they were desperately trying to get energy back into his legs. His workrate dropped noticeably in the next two rounds.

Ridiculous to suggest either Hearn paid the guy to beat Burns up for 7 rounds and then quit (aswell as coming within a whisker of stopping him) or else in the space of 6 minutes snuck over and offered 1million quid to Gonzales to quit. As if they would even take his word for it.

He had just had an '8' minute rest. Even though he was tired in rounds 8 and 9 burns never landed anything and couldnt touch him.

I dont think he did have a rest. He had to move for those two rounds. He wasnt throwing anything back. I think he knew Burns was going to catch up within him in the next few rounds and he didnt have the energy or strength or heart in his body left to deal with it. Possibly he was injured too but it had all the signs of a fighter pouring everything into one round and then punching himself out. Then he had the mental blow of his opponent taking all his best shots and coming out strong in the next round. I dont think he fancied the last three rounds.

It was a 'rest' in the sense that Gonzalez threw no punches and Burns landed no punches.

Still smells fishy to me.

Either a complete and utter Cat gets into a boxing ring for world title fights or he was paid.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:No Champagne more like - Gonzalez used up all his energy going for the knockout in Round 7 (lets be honest here even the commentators spotted seeing his cornermen around that time massaging his legs and saying how the spring had gone out of his step. Consider as well that he had injured his wrist and he was in pain then that coupled with fatigue was the catalyst. He never had the stomach to carry on in those circumstances and perhaps that is why his trainer looked so disgusted.

using up all your energy = being tired.

Gonalez got tired after punching Burn's face all night so he quit.

I suggest you look at the 7th Round again. Gonzalez got caught by a fair bit of leather as well so perhaps that was when his stomach for the fight waned? You do realise that some boxers have a lower pain threshold or desire to go through pain barriers than others. That seems is the case with Gonzalez. A very talented boxer but lacking in the heart and desire department - perhaps.

He had to use his legs and upper body to ensure Burns didnt land much so it wasnt exactly a rest. He was expending up the little remaining energy he had.

manos de piedra wrote:He had to use his legs and upper body to ensure Burns didnt land much so it wasnt exactly a rest. He was expending up the little remaining energy he had.

In terms of a boxing fight it was an 8 minute rest basically.

One thing ive learnt from this Burns fight is Vazquez will beat him convincingly. at the time I didn't think much into it my mate mentioned it but was this fight rigged?