Champions Trophy - England and Wales 2013

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Jayawardene does bugger all but scratch around for 18 balls looking horribly out of form, then comes down the track and smacks the bowler straight over his head for a six. Class!

Ball again. Jesus umpires, get on with it

Last over coming up, Tredwell's joined Broad, Mills it is with the ball, England 169-8.

Marcus wrote: WHEELIE BIN OUT!!!

Are the collections fortnightly in these parts?

It's all fallen apart. 169/9.

Broad's gone as well, Nathan McCullum with another catch, dropped a few, taken a few as well.

Go away England, you are pathetic.

40 short of what kiwi can get here.

I'm going to enjoy seeing the top order being blamed for this.

People paid to see this shambles.  Insulting.

GSC wrote:I'm going to enjoy seeing the top order being blamed for this.

I shall +1 this.

We're seeing quite a pattern develop in this tournament from England's batting...

All out for 169.

NZ require 170 from 144 to knock England out.

Innings has rather imploded these last few overs.  They were on for at least 190 , but perhaps they got a bit greedy and slightly overreached.
Lot of hits with more elevation than distance.


..and all out 169.
 
Disappointing.  But we'll have to see how NZ bat in these conditions.

169 all out. Miserable from the middle and lower order. Will be difficult to defend this as well - Broad's out of form, Bresnan is expecting to be a dad at any moment, no Swann, and Root and Bopara are part-time.

But we still have James Anderson. With James, there's hope.

Yeah were doomed.

Alfie, Wheelie Bin has the final say on the tactics. It is the tactics that are flawed (and have been throughout the tournament) that have led to England being thoroughly outclassed by a third rate international team in this match.

Surely it is not simply a coincidence that England have been unbeaten in home ODI series for 4-5 years, then as soon as Wheelie Bin takes charge they get spanked against the Kiwis and outplayed in this tournament.

His tactics stink, and he needs to go ASAP for the good of England ODI cricket.

The tactics were fine. Buttler, Morgan and Bopara all failing when given a good platform are the problem.

Well we're going to need early wickets

And the tactics are fine. With these tactics we at least get defendable scores. Be nice if Morgan/Buttler (and this time Bopara) actually did their jobs for once

I shouldn't really try to make any points out of this , as these reduced games are a bit of a raffle anyway.

But : will those who have been saying throughout the season that England would do better if the likes of Trott and Bell would hit out , get out and leave the hitters plenty of overs to do their thing at least concede there may be some possible problems with that approach ?

Just asking 

Rubbish, they were not fine at all. A top 4 of Cook, Bell, Trott & Root in a 24 over match is asking for trouble. Wheelie Bin should have dropped at least one of the "hitters" in to the top 4 to inject some urgency from the outset.

Do people just type out their tactics and Trott/Bell/Cook rants beforehand, and post them regardless of what actually happens?

If anyone blames the top order for this- then they havent watched whats happened..

Bell and trott both hit out.(all i can ask of them in a 24 over game). Cook did and got through it with a decent SR.

Root ok went a bit slow- but still about a 100 SR.

We then didnt get a bop mogs or butler slog fest1!! One of them at least should have stepped up!

Sorry Marcus , I think that's rubbish.

Just didn't bat well enough.  But you are entitled to your opinion.

And then the hitters can make 15, 14 and 9.

Meanwhile, Englands best batsman was Cook by a mile who makes a 39 ball 50 without slogging.

I've had a think about it. England will win. Early wickets will force NZ to succumb to the pressure, quite a bit of cloud cover as well to assist the seamers. #englandalltheway #comeonengland #thegreatescape

Morgan and Buttler have combined to make 51 runs in this tournament. But its the top orders fault clearly.

Further to that last post, Cook, Bell and Trott all have individual scores above that combined total in this tournament.

Blame the guys who make the runs, great logic.

Game still on anyway.  Frankly I suspect 169 won't be enough , but it certainly isn't impossible for England to defend it...there is a bit in this for the bowlers.
They will need to bowl well of course.  And field well.

I really hope England lineup for their next ODI game as

Michael Lumb
Craig Kieswetter
KP
Eoin Morgan
Jos Buttler
Luke Wright
Ravi Bopara
Alex Hales
Johnny Bairstow
Joe Root
Jade Dernbach

We have a great shot at this.. 169 maybe a bit short-(30 short)

But that doesnt mean our bolwers cant step up.. Which they certainly can!!

Good opening over from broad!

Hopefully more of the same

BELIEVE IN THE TEAM 

Good start by Broady. The longer Ronchi stays in, the better for England.

GSC have you been drinking lad:appletini:

mystiroakey wrote:GSC have you been drinking lad:appletini:

Clearly the secret to winning ODIs is to pack the side with hitters Myst. Come on.

And further to the tactical points (and I am delighted to see most people on here are agreed the plan adopted was perfectly reasonable)
: this abridged game is an exception in a fifty over tournament.  Giles should and will be judged on how he handles his team throughout the series/season.

Kiwi openers all at sea against Jimmy in this over...surviving somehow.

LOL GSC

Ermmmmm. Maybe not no. Maybe just a bit more balance and thought about par scores

I like it , GSC 

Handy having a twelve man team too 

alfie wrote:I like it , GSC 

Handy having a twelve man team too 

Hah, thought I had 10 so added Trott. Maybe I am drunk

Good start for England after 3 overs, just 13/0. Keep Ronchi out there, England!

I think I could do a better job than what Ronchi is doing at the minute

Damn and blast, Ronchi gone.

Early days. But NZ slipping behind the run rate.

McCullum will be the key.

Jimmy gets the first wicket.  Ronchi still not firing for NZ.

Trott catches Ronchi Was that wise?

That has to be one of the worst innings ever

Nz way behind at the moment. England need to keep control on this..


ohhhhh.. bowled him

Jimmy gets a proper wicket!!! 14/2. Off to the semi-finals we go, E-I-E-I-O!

OH JIMMY JIMMY!!!

Two for Jimmy 

Guptill now !

Great start England.

Have we actually got Guptill in an ODI?

Let in the big mucs early and they will bash their ways there.

Luke Ronchi played an atrocious innings and hold out for 2 of 12, and now the big wicket of Martin Guptill as well. Ross Taylor joining Kane Williamson with NZ in serious trouble at 14-2.