Brumbies vs Lions Tuesday

by maestegmafia Sun 16 Jun 2013, 9:39 am

First topic message reminder :

[quote="George Carlin"]Brumbies team is up, Maes:

15-Jesse Mogg,
14-Henry Speight,
13-Tevita Kuridrani,
12-Andrew Smith,
11-Clyde Rathbone,
10-Matt Toomua,
9-Ian Prior,

8-Peter Kimlin (captain),
7-Colby Faingaa,
6-Scott Fardy,
5-Sam Carter,
4-Leon Power,
3-Scott Sio,
2-Siliva Siliva,
1-Ruan Smith.

Replacements: 16-Josh Mann-Rea, 17-Jean-Pierre Smith, 18-Chris Cocca, 19-Etienne Oosthuizen, 20-Jordan Smiler, 21-Mark Swanepoel, 22-Robbie Coleman, 23-Zack Holmes.

Lions team: Rob Kearney, Christian Wade, Brad Barritt, Billy Twelvetrees, Shane Williams, Stuart Hogg, Ben Youngs; Ryan Grant, Rory Best (capt), Matt Stevens, Ian Evans, Richie Gray, Sean O'Brien, Justin Tipuric, Toby Faletau

Replacements: Richard Hibbard, Alex Corbisiero, Dan Cole, Geoff Parling, Dan Lydiate, Conor Murray, Owen Farrell, Simon Zebo

This team points to a number of players who must be fringe selections or definitely not going to make it.

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:23 am

39 mins:
PENALTY (Mogg) - ACT Brumbies 8-0 Lions
... and it's fourth time lucky for the hosts as Jesse Mogg snakes one between the sticks.

by thomh Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:24 am

Haven't seen much of Tipuric but were getting caned at the breakdown

by Scoped Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:24 am

Never thought I'd agree with Hartley over Best but this display is shameful from the Irishman.

by GLove39 Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:24 am

8-3 Hogg gets the Lions on the board

by ChequeredJersey Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:26 am

thomh wrote:Haven't seen much of Tipuric but were getting caned at the breakdown

I've been told he's made 3 turnovers

by SecretFly Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:26 am

t1000advancedprototype wrote:Halftime

Hogg to 15
Farrell at 10
Kearney off
Lydiate parling and hibbard on
Grey off

Much too complicated. Hogg off, Farrell on.

by wales606 Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:27 am

Best, Gray, Wade and Kearney the big losers so far

by XR Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:27 am

Don't think i've heard Tipuric's name called once during this game. Seems he turns it on for the lesser games but this game he's been anonymous.

by gleesonisgod Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:28 am

First and foremost Best has to go off, and we should probably bring Parling on aswell for Evans. I thought Gray has been decent in the loose. Farrell to come aswell. Murray aswell if Youngs continues like he is.

Just an awful game of rugby.

by ChequeredJersey Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:29 am

gcBlues wrote:Don't think i've heard Tipuric's name called once during this game. Seems he turns it on for the lesser games but this game he's been anonymous.

He's made 3 turnovers

by Scoped Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:30 am

No way has Tipuric been annoymous. Hes been at most breakdowns and has made his tackles. The reason you havent heard his name is because the attack has been so scarce

by broadlandboy Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:30 am

2 not straight by Best but how about Brumbies feed in the scrum,missing the second row straight to number 8

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:31 am

BBC Sport wrote:HALF-TIME - ACT Brumbies 8-3 Lions
The Lions have been very disjointed this half, with their lack of fluidity out wide beaten only by a line-out which is falling apart quicker than the Euro.

Just about the only real positive for the tourists has been the breakdown, with Justin Tipuric and co keeping them in it with a series of turnovers.

But elsewhere this looks what it is - a thrown together team essentially acting as a placeholder until the serious business gets under way on Saturday.

If the 2013 tourists want to maintain their unbeaten record they're going to have to up their game in the second half - and maybe bring on replacement hooker Richard Hibbard, harsh as that sounds.

by ChequeredJersey Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:31 am

In Australia the scrum is a way for the attacking team to restart (alla League) not a contest for possession

by SecretFly Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:31 am

BTW..this is a side put together by the coaches. Cobbled together actually..so not all the blame hits the players. That's much too easy. Coaches take some flak too here.

by glamorganalun Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:32 am

Half backs are poor tips is sharp but needs more support 12 trees is far 2 deep need changes fast

by Scarpia Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:33 am

Lions look like the scratch side they are. 8-3

by Scarpia Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:36 am

broadlandboy wrote:2 not straight by Best but how about Brumbies feed in the scrum,missing the second row straight to number 8

It makes me so mad when refs whistle for a crooked throw in the line-out but then allow a crooked feed at the ensuing scrum. So illogical it makes a mockery of the game.

by Breadvan Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:37 am

Exactly, the Lions are not an all conquering super team. Scratch side v best S15 team. Altho that shouldn't be an excuse for some ragged play...

by LordDowlais Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:37 am

Tuperic has been the standout player of the first half, what people are saying on here about him is laughable. For me, the players that need to up their game's are Best, Youngs, Wade and Grey. Our line out is a farce, I bet nobody is calling for Gatlands head now for picking Hartley before him, and anybody who thinks Youngs should start ahead of Phillips should just watch this first half, unless said players up their game, or they are replaced, we are going to loose this match.

by ChequeredJersey Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:38 am

To be fair, think about the backline, which could always be hit or miss (lots of exciting talent, but cobbled together)-

(Disclaimer- I cannot watch the match so I have formulated this opinion from reading on here and various live-text updates)

9- Youngs- should be doing better, no excuses there
10- Hogg- not a 10, has played there once before, met his centres 3 days ago
11- Williams- 36, playing in Japan's 2nd division, flew over like a day ago
12- Twelvetrees - been here for a few days
13- Barritt - called up from holiday a couple of days ago, not a 13
14- Wade - barely started INT rugby, flown in a couple of days ago
15- Kearney- barely recovered from injury

This isn't hugely surprising, and this is a very good Brumbies side. Sounds like the game is tedious

by ChequeredJersey Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:39 am

LordDowlais wrote:Tuperic has been the standout player of the first half, what people are saying on here about him is laughable. For me, the players that need to up their game's are Best, Youngs, Wade and Grey. Our line out is a farce, I bet nobody is calling for Gatlands head now for picking Hartley before him, and anybody who thinks Youngs should start ahead of Phillips should just watch this first half, unless said players up their game, or they are replaced, we are going to loose this match.

Wade's just midweek cover anyway, isn't he? Called up until North is fit?

by aucklandlaurie Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:40 am

Scarpia wrote:
broadlandboy wrote:2 not straight by Best but how about Brumbies feed in the scrum,missing the second row straight to number 8

It makes me so mad when refs whistle for a crooked throw in the line-out but then allow a crooked feed at the ensuing scrum. So illogical it makes a mockery of the game.

Its only illogical if you havent thought about it.... Think of it from the point of view of "Why has play stopped?"

by Scoped Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:40 am

Get Best off for heavens sake!

by LordDowlais Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:40 am

ChequeredJersey wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Tuperic has been the standout player of the first half, what people are saying on here about him is laughable. For me, the players that need to up their game's are Best, Youngs, Wade and Grey. Our line out is a farce, I bet nobody is calling for Gatlands head now for picking Hartley before him, and anybody who thinks Youngs should start ahead of Phillips should just watch this first half, unless said players up their game, or they are replaced, we are going to loose this match.

Wade's just midweek cover anyway, isn't he? Called up until North is fit?

Yes, but unless he improves, or is replaced, we are not going to win "THIS" game. thumbsup

by Knackeredknees Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:40 am

To be fair we have a fullback at flyhalf and a fullback starting his first game and the centers and wings only been together 24-48hrs. The pack to be honest should be doing better, youngster has had to deal with Poopie so far!.

by fa0019 Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:41 am

Forwards can't use the excuse of being cobbled together though... how are they fronting up?

Are the backs just spoiling good ball by the forwards or are we inferior all over the park?

by **Notch** Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:41 am

Best has lost us three with crooked throws and three lineouts lost because of no movement in the lineout whatsoever. So predictable and easy for the Brumbies to read- and then the hooker starts throwing squint because everyone is marked...

This lineout doesn't look coached. We're so, so poor there. Kimlin knows exactly where its going. Every time.

by fa0019 Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:42 am

Knackeredknees wrote:To be fair we have a fullback at flyhalf and a fullback starting his first game and the centers and wings only been together 24-48hrs. The pack to be honest should be doing better, youngster has had to deal with Poopie so far!.

We have a 15 playing 10 not out of injury... but because of Gatlands original selection.

by ChequeredJersey Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:42 am

Has Best hit his man once?

by bluestonevedder Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:42 am

Best is having a nightmare and I'm not even watching it. Get him off. We have to win our own lienout ball. 10 meters from the Brumbies line and a minute later we are now defending on our own lie? Simply atrocious.

by Pyleboy65 Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:43 am

Need to make changes now - Best, Evans and SOB off - Hibbard, Parling & Lydiate on

by ChequeredJersey Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:43 am

LordDowlais wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Tuperic has been the standout player of the first half, what people are saying on here about him is laughable. For me, the players that need to up their game's are Best, Youngs, Wade and Grey. Our line out is a farce, I bet nobody is calling for Gatlands head now for picking Hartley before him, and anybody who thinks Youngs should start ahead of Phillips should just watch this first half, unless said players up their game, or they are replaced, we are going to loose this match.

Wade's just midweek cover anyway, isn't he? Called up until North is fit?

Yes, but unless he improves, or is replaced, we are not going to win "THIS" game.

Seems unlikely, mate. Wingers don't win games, they only finish the chances made by the other backs, who rely on the pack, who actually win the match. Unless he misses more tackles, matches are not lost by wingers

Pretty basic rugby knowledge, that

by nathan Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:44 am

LordDowlais wrote:Tuperic has been the standout player of the first half, what people are saying on here about him is laughable. For me, the players that need to up their game's are Best, Youngs, Wade and Grey. Our line out is a farce, I bet nobody is calling for Gatlands head now for picking Hartley before him, and anybody who thinks Youngs should start ahead of Phillips should just watch this first half, unless said players up their game, or they are replaced, we are going to loose this match.

Because youngs doesn't try to do it all himself like Phillips, the lions need a scrum half, not an extra flanker.

From the sounds of it (at work and can't watch it) he should be doing better, but on the same note you have to look at lions team. Could anyone play well with them?

by Knackeredknees Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:45 am

Not one to moan about refs, but how was SOB ment to roll away when two players are holding him down?
As for his overall ruck interpretation...........

by jelly Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:46 am

I can't see Gatland being too bothered by this game. What is worse; lose this game and keep everyone fit for Saturday or bring some subs on to try and win a (in the grand scheme of the tour) meaningless game and get an injury to one of the squad for the first test?

by Pyleboy65 Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:46 am

Hate to say it as a proud Welshman but Toby not having an effective game today

by Scarpia Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:46 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:
Scarpia wrote:
broadlandboy wrote:2 not straight by Best but how about Brumbies feed in the scrum,missing the second row straight to number 8

It makes me so mad when refs whistle for a crooked throw in the line-out but then allow a crooked feed at the ensuing scrum. So illogical it makes a mockery of the game.

Its only illogical if you havent thought about it.... Think of it from the point of view of "Why has play stopped?"

If a crooked feed is wrong then it is wrong at scrum as well as lineout. More so in my opinion because the scrum is easier possession. Think of it from the point of view of "Shall we restart the game fairly?"

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:47 am

41 mins:
ACT Brumbies 8-3 Lions
Forty minutes to save the unbeaten record. A smiling England coach Stuart Lancaster shakes hands in the stands, in the dressing room a non-smiling Andy Farrell lays down the law.

Here we go, Stuart Hogg hangs it high and long.

41 min:
ACT Brumbies 8-3 Lions
Oh dear. Rory Best's first throw of the half is a shocker. How much longer will they stick with him?

ACT Brumbies 8-3 Lions

42 Min:
Christian Wade races down the right touchline and Tevita Kuridrani takes him high. Penalty, Rob Kearney kicks it into the corner. Lots of pressure on Rory Best now.

The Ireland hooker throws in straight - but it's a real floater and the Brumbies get up in front of Richie Gray and steal the throw.

45 mins:
PENALTY (Mogg) - ACT Brumbies 11-3 Lions
Three more here for the hosts surely as Sean O'Brien is penalised for not rolling away after making the tackle.

Yep, Jesse Mogg goes straight down the middle...

48 mins:
ACT Brumbies 11-3 Lions
Rory Best earns a measure of redemption by securing a loose ball on the ground. Lions scrum follows, can they do any damage? Nope, rock solid from the hosts.

by GLove39 Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:47 am

Ouch! If you search Rory Best on twiter the top photo is one of a barn door...

by **Notch** Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:47 am

bsv wrote:Best is having a nightmare and I'm not even watching it. Get him off. We have to win our own lienout ball. 10 meters from the Brumbies line and a minute later we are now defending on our own lie? Simply atrocious.

Oh believe me Best is having a nightmare but we'll still be losing plenty of lineouts once he comes off. No-one is moving at all. We look like we have put all our lineout calls in the cupboard for Saturday and the forwards are standing static, not moving at all and getting up into the air ver-y, ver-y slowly.

by lostinwales Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:48 am

Barbarians team/ players our of position fresh off the plane/ out of retirement plus knowledge for a lot of them that they are not going in the test team must make it hard to get full motivation. Better leadership would help

by offload Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:48 am

jelly wrote:I can't see Gatland being too bothered by this game. What is worse; lose this game and keep everyone fit for Saturday or bring some subs on to try and win a (in the grand scheme of the tour) meaningless game and get an injury to one of the squad for the first test?

No way - Gatland will be effing furious if they loose this.

by GLove39 Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:50 am

Wow, our scrum was just shunted backwards Shocked

by offload Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:50 am

"36 divided by 10 there as Matt Toomua chops down Billy Twelvetrees" Laugh

From the BBC site - love it. More entertaining than the match.

by LordDowlais Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:50 am

ChequeredJersey wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Tuperic has been the standout player of the first half, what people are saying on here about him is laughable. For me, the players that need to up their game's are Best, Youngs, Wade and Grey. Our line out is a farce, I bet nobody is calling for Gatlands head now for picking Hartley before him, and anybody who thinks Youngs should start ahead of Phillips should just watch this first half, unless said players up their game, or they are replaced, we are going to loose this match.

Wade's just midweek cover anyway, isn't he? Called up until North is fit?

Yes, but unless he improves, or is replaced, we are not going to win "THIS" game.

Seems unlikely, mate. Wingers don't win games, they only finish the chances made by the other backs, who rely on the pack, who actually win the match. Unless he misses more tackles, matches are not lost by wingers

Pretty basic rugby knowledge, that

Are you even watching the game ? He has knocked the ball on a couple of times coughing up good possession, when playing rugby you are not supposed to drop the ball. Pretty basic rugby knowledge, that.

by Bathman_in_London Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:51 am

Agreed, this is a big one to win, far more important than in HK or the county game. A win today sets up the squad for the tests, likewise a loss buoys up the Aussies. Frankly the Lions are looking very poor.

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:52 am

BBC Sport wrote:51 mins:
ACT Brumbies 11-3 Lions
Was Stuart Hogg speared by Colby Faingaa? No worries, says the TMO, let's play on.

52 mins:
ACT Brumbies 11-3 Lions
The Lions scrummaging like a bowl of custard there, driven back at a rate of knots.

"bowl of custard" Laugh

by Guest Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:52 am

Rory Best having a terrible game, surprising really

by Scoped Tue 18 Jun 2013, 11:52 am

Feckin eck. Make the changes now before its lost.

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