Gatland blasts critics...good on ya Gats

by Taylorman Sun 07 Jul 2013, 1:50 am

First topic message reminder :

http://www.allblacks.com/news/22679/Gatland-blasts-critics

Back home for you Gats, if they can't respect ya, we've plenty of teams that will.

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by SecretFly Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:06 pm

Until February??? Hunting season starts well before then Wink

by Scarpia Fri 12 Jul 2013, 6:17 pm

I'm all for people disagreeing with selection. There'd be precious little to read on here without that. But the campaign of hatred against Gatland was unacceptable in my opinion.

by SecretFly Fri 12 Jul 2013, 6:27 pm

Scarpia wrote:I'm all for people disagreeing with selection. There'd be precious little to read on here without that. But the campaign of hatred against Gatland was unacceptable in my opinion.

Which campaign was that, Scarpia? A few idiots making threats or abusive contact with Gatland's family? Well, the law should deal with them if true.

The rest of it, the Justice for BOD facebook page - all the stuff here - was in no way hatred. Anger, yes. Annoyance, yes. Accusations and counter-accusations, yes. Fun actually - a lot of it, yes. Controverial, yes. Exactly what big sporting occasions often get to and makes them all the more memorable for it.
Before BOD week there was Horwill week. Ban him, don't ban him, ban him again. Steam is part of passionate sport.

by Brendan Sat 13 Jul 2013, 1:09 am

SecretFly wrote:
Scarpia wrote:I'm all for people disagreeing with selection. There'd be precious little to read on here without that. But the campaign of hatred against Gatland was unacceptable in my opinion.

Which campaign was that, Scarpia? A few idiots making threats or abusive contact with Gatland's family? Well, the law should deal with them if true.

The rest of it, the Justice for BOD facebook page - all the stuff here - was in no way hatred. Anger, yes. Annoyance, yes. Accusations and counter-accusations, yes. Fun actually - a lot of it, yes. Controverial, yes. Exactly what big sporting occasions often get to and makes them all the more memorable for it.
Before BOD week there was Horwill week. Ban him, don't ban him, ban him again. Steam is part of passionate sport.

The thing that also annoyed people was asking BOD to be the player at a press conference when gats had no intention of having him in the 23. He only wanted BOD there to back him up.

by rainbow-warrior Sat 13 Jul 2013, 6:40 am

SecretFly wrote:No wonder the French sunk that guy's boat a few years ago.

man sausage

by Breadvan Sat 13 Jul 2013, 7:11 am

rainbow-warrior wrote:
SecretFly wrote:No wonder the French sunk that guy's boat a few years ago.

man sausage

Don't see the funny side then?

by Scarpia Sat 13 Jul 2013, 7:25 am

SecretFly wrote:
Scarpia wrote:I'm all for people disagreeing with selection. There'd be precious little to read on here without that. But the campaign of hatred against Gatland was unacceptable in my opinion.

Which campaign was that, Scarpia? A few idiots making threats or abusive contact with Gatland's family? Well, the law should deal with them if true.

The rest of it, the Justice for BOD facebook page - all the stuff here - was in no way hatred. Anger, yes. Annoyance, yes. Accusations and counter-accusations, yes. Fun actually - a lot of it, yes. Controverial, yes. Exactly what big sporting occasions often get to and makes them all the more memorable for it.
Before BOD week there was Horwill week. Ban him, don't ban him, ban him again. Steam is part of passionate sport.

I'd already explained that in my earlier contribution. But I'll reprint it here for you, Fly:

The point is that they didn't "simply disagree with the call". They accused Gatland of, amongst other things, selecting Welsh players because they were Welsh, dropping BOD as an act of revenge for being sacked by Ireland, dropping BOD as a way of demotivating other Irish players. Or they said that the players suddenly decided to ignore Gatland and play a totally different gameplan. If there was a witchhunt going on it was against Gatland himself. Anyone who follows rugby cannot honestly think that Gatland would make any decisions except those that he felt would win the game. His record is testimony enough.

For the record, I would have picked BOD at least on the bench if not in the starting team.

There are more examples.

by rainbow-warrior Sat 13 Jul 2013, 7:56 am

Breadvan wrote:
rainbow-warrior wrote:
SecretFly wrote:No wonder the French sunk that guy's boat a few years ago.

man sausage

Don't see the funny side then?

another larger man sausage

by Breadvan Sat 13 Jul 2013, 8:42 am

Speak for yourself misery....

by jimmyinthewell68 Sat 13 Jul 2013, 9:18 am

just a thought . gats show a interest to take the lions to New Zealand 2017 but is contract for Wales is up after the world cup 2015 . chin

by aucklandlaurie Sat 13 Jul 2013, 9:28 am

I'm sure that if Warren Gatland is still coaching in Great Britain in 2017. then he will be the coach of the Lions.

by Sin é Sat 13 Jul 2013, 12:25 pm

Problem for Gats about that is that the Board of the Lions consists of 1 Welshman, 1 Englishman, 1 Scot and 2 Irishmen* Wink

They appoint the Lions Coach.

The British & Irish Lions is an Irish company (registered in the RDS, BOD's home turf) and its CEO is an Irishman.

I would doubt very much if the IRFU are pleased with his comments as to why he dropped Brian O'Driscoll (referenced it back to when he was Ireland coached being forced to make certain selections which resulted in a loss to Scotland)! He is pretty good at rewriting his history, is Gats.

by Taylorman Sat 13 Jul 2013, 5:38 pm

Sin é wrote:Problem for Gats about that is that the Board of the Lions consists of 1 Welshman, 1 Englishman, 1 Scot and 2 Irishmen* They appoint the Lions Coach.

The British & Irish Lions is an Irish company (registered in the RDS, BOD's home turf) and its CEO is an Irishman.

I would doubt very much if the IRFU are pleased with his comments as to why he dropped Brian O'Driscoll (referenced it back to when he was Ireland coached being forced to make certain selections which resulted in a loss to Scotland)! He is pretty good at rewriting his history, is Gats.

perhaps...but lets hope theyre smarter than that.

by Strongback Sat 13 Jul 2013, 6:22 pm

Garland is a disgrace. I'm sure he will get more vitriol the next time he turns up in Dublin sporting his big set of balls.

by Rory_Gallagher Sat 13 Jul 2013, 7:15 pm

Breadvan wrote:Speak for yourself misery....

Removed - BB Best thing to do is ignore all of his attention seeking posts.

by mystiroakey Sat 13 Jul 2013, 7:17 pm

Sin é wrote:Problem for Gats about that is that the Board of the Lions consists of 1 Welshman, 1 Englishman, 1 Scot and 2 Irishmen* They appoint the Lions Coach.

The British & Irish Lions is an Irish company (registered in the RDS, BOD's home turf) and its CEO is an Irishman.

I would doubt very much if the IRFU are pleased with his comments as to why he dropped Brian O'Driscoll (referenced it back to when he was Ireland coached being forced to make certain selections which resulted in a loss to Scotland)! He is pretty good at rewriting his history, is Gats.

So where do the profits go?

Or is it equaly shared and just based in Ireland?

by aucklandlaurie Sat 13 Jul 2013, 10:46 pm

Sin é wrote:Problem for Gats about that is that the Board of the Lions consists of 1 Welshman, 1 Englishman, 1 Scot and 2 Irishmen* They appoint the Lions Coach.

The British & Irish Lions is an Irish company (registered in the RDS, BOD's home turf) and its CEO is an Irishman.

I would doubt very much if the IRFU are pleased with his comments as to why he dropped Brian O'Driscoll (referenced it back to when he was Ireland coached being forced to make certain selections which resulted in a loss to Scotland)! He is pretty good at rewriting his history, is Gats.

The good thing about him rewriting history, is not only could he be the next Lions coach, but he could also drop O'Driscoll again.

by **Biltong** Sun 14 Jul 2013, 9:45 am

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
Breadvan wrote:Speak for yourself misery....

Removed - BB Best thing to do is ignore all of his attention seeking posts.

Rory, you know better than to insult posters.

by Sin é Sun 14 Jul 2013, 9:59 am

Taylorman wrote:
Sin é wrote:Problem for Gats about that is that the Board of the Lions consists of 1 Welshman, 1 Englishman, 1 Scot and 2 Irishmen* They appoint the Lions Coach.

The British & Irish Lions is an Irish company (registered in the RDS, BOD's home turf) and its CEO is an Irishman.

I would doubt very much if the IRFU are pleased with his comments as to why he dropped Brian O'Driscoll (referenced it back to when he was Ireland coached being forced to make certain selections which resulted in a loss to Scotland)! He is pretty good at rewriting his history, is Gats.

perhaps...but lets hope theyre smarter than that.

Only smart for the Welsh RFU when each union gets compensated 80k* (I think) for each player they supply to the tour. Gats covered his contract costs for the first couple of years with them with that method alone. Whatever about the Irish, I can't see the Scots happy about their representation on the tour.

edit: its 50K per player.

by Sin é Sun 14 Jul 2013, 10:02 am

Strongback wrote:Garland is a disgrace. I'm sure he will get more vitriol the next time he turns up in Dublin sporting his big set of balls.

He probably won't get death threats though (unlike Alain Rolland who did something similar with the Welsh captain, except he deserved to be 'dropped' off the team)!

by Sin é Sun 14 Jul 2013, 10:11 am

mystiroakey wrote:
Sin é wrote:Problem for Gats about that is that the Board of the Lions consists of 1 Welshman, 1 Englishman, 1 Scot and 2 Irishmen* They appoint the Lions Coach.

The British & Irish Lions is an Irish company (registered in the RDS, BOD's home turf) and its CEO is an Irishman.

I would doubt very much if the IRFU are pleased with his comments as to why he dropped Brian O'Driscoll (referenced it back to when he was Ireland coached being forced to make certain selections which resulted in a loss to Scotland)! He is pretty good at rewriting his history, is Gats.

So where do the profits go?

Or is it equaly shared and just based in Ireland?

The four Home Unions are expected to share a profit largely generated by sponsorship deals of £6million on top of £50,000 compensation for each player in the 37-man squad.

Its an Irish company to avail of the rather generous tax arrangements (sporting organisations are tax exempt). Thats why IRB, ERC etc. etc. are all based in Dublin.

by Sin é Sun 14 Jul 2013, 10:13 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:
Sin é wrote:Problem for Gats about that is that the Board of the Lions consists of 1 Welshman, 1 Englishman, 1 Scot and 2 Irishmen* They appoint the Lions Coach.

The British & Irish Lions is an Irish company (registered in the RDS, BOD's home turf) and its CEO is an Irishman.

I would doubt very much if the IRFU are pleased with his comments as to why he dropped Brian O'Driscoll (referenced it back to when he was Ireland coached being forced to make certain selections which resulted in a loss to Scotland)! He is pretty good at rewriting his history, is Gats.

The good thing about him rewriting history, is not only could he be the next Lions coach, but he could also drop O'Driscoll again.

How could he drop him from the Sky panel Smile

by mystiroakey Sun 14 Jul 2013, 10:41 am

Sin é wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
Sin é wrote:Problem for Gats about that is that the Board of the Lions consists of 1 Welshman, 1 Englishman, 1 Scot and 2 Irishmen* They appoint the Lions Coach.

The British & Irish Lions is an Irish company (registered in the RDS, BOD's home turf) and its CEO is an Irishman.

I would doubt very much if the IRFU are pleased with his comments as to why he dropped Brian O'Driscoll (referenced it back to when he was Ireland coached being forced to make certain selections which resulted in a loss to Scotland)! He is pretty good at rewriting his history, is Gats.

So where do the profits go?

Or is it equaly shared and just based in Ireland?

The four Home Unions are expected to share a profit largely generated by sponsorship deals of £6million on top of £50,000 compensation for each player in the 37-man squad.

Its an Irish company to avail of the rather generous tax arrangements (sporting organisations are tax exempt). Thats why IRB, ERC etc. etc. are all based in Dublin.

yep based there but clearly equaly shared between the 4 unions(25% each)

by Sin é Sun 14 Jul 2013, 2:38 pm

mystiroakey wrote:
Sin é wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
Sin é wrote:Problem for Gats about that is that the Board of the Lions consists of 1 Welshman, 1 Englishman, 1 Scot and 2 Irishmen* They appoint the Lions Coach.

The British & Irish Lions is an Irish company (registered in the RDS, BOD's home turf) and its CEO is an Irishman.

I would doubt very much if the IRFU are pleased with his comments as to why he dropped Brian O'Driscoll (referenced it back to when he was Ireland coached being forced to make certain selections which resulted in a loss to Scotland)! He is pretty good at rewriting his history, is Gats.

So where do the profits go?

Or is it equaly shared and just based in Ireland?

The four Home Unions are expected to share a profit largely generated by sponsorship deals of £6million on top of £50,000 compensation for each player in the 37-man squad.

Its an Irish company to avail of the rather generous tax arrangements (sporting organisations are tax exempt). Thats why IRB, ERC etc. etc. are all based in Dublin.
yep based there but clearly equaly shared between the 4 unions(25% each)

I doubt if a Scot would think the share was equal. (More players on tour = more cash for the WRU).

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 15 Jul 2013, 9:29 am

Strongback wrote:Garland is a disgrace. I'm sure he will get more vitriol the next time he turns up in Dublin sporting his big set of balls.

There's no place like home, there's no place like home...

by **rodders** Mon 15 Jul 2013, 10:26 am

As far as I'm concerned the Lions still haven't won a series since 1997.

Wales beating Australia through fielding non Welsh qualified players in key positions is something that should be punished by the IRB, not praised or celebrated as a sporting achievement.

At least during the grannygate fiasco the WRU tried to pretend the guys were Welsh.

by mystiroakey Mon 15 Jul 2013, 10:44 am

what are you talking about rodders?

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 15 Jul 2013, 10:50 am

The heat's got to him I think, Mysti.

by LordDowlais Mon 15 Jul 2013, 10:53 am

Certain Irish members on here have covered themselves in shame during this Lions tour.

by **rodders** Mon 15 Jul 2013, 11:52 am

LordDowlais wrote:Certain Irish members on here have covered themselves in shame during this Lions Wales tour.

In whats sense? For objecting to their players being conned into giving up their summer to hold tackle bags for Wales?

I recall quite a few Welsh being up in arms about SCW's antics in '05? Some people have short memories.

by Taffineastbourne Mon 15 Jul 2013, 12:20 pm

rodders wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Certain Irish members on here have covered themselves in shame during this Lions Wales tour.

In whats sense? For objecting to their players being conned into giving up their summer to hold tackle bags for Wales?

I recall quite a few Welsh being up in arms about SCW's antics in '05? Some people have short memories.

Rodders,are you including all players or just a few Irish lads?

by LordDowlais Mon 15 Jul 2013, 12:26 pm

rodders wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Certain Irish members on here have covered themselves in shame during this Lions Wales tour.

In whats sense? For objecting to their players being conned into giving up their summer to hold tackle bags for Wales?

I recall quite a few Welsh being up in arms about SCW's antics in '05? Some people have short memories.

What Welsh players should not have gone then Rodders ?

by Knowsit17 Mon 15 Jul 2013, 12:35 pm

rodders wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Certain Irish members on here have covered themselves in shame during this Lions Wales tour.

In whats sense? For objecting to their players being conned into giving up their summer to hold tackle bags for Wales?

I recall quite a few Welsh being up in arms about SCW's antics in '05? Some people have short memories.

One thing I don't recall is you complaining when Ireland supplied the lion's share 4 years ago and other nation's players had to hold their tackle bags. By all means if you can't take not being the most important contributing side, feel free to drop out. Then we'll be able to call them the British Lions without an Irish uproar being thrown up every time, which makes little sense anyway considering the Lions are garnering less and less support in Ireland based on recent comments.

by SecretFly Mon 15 Jul 2013, 12:37 pm

So, how's this 'Anti-Gats', 'Anti-Welsh', 'Anti BOD' 'Anti-Irish' thread going since last I looked? Wink

Hmmmmm, "Irish members", "shame", "conned", "tackle bags for Wales"

Yup...still going fine.......

by **rodders** Mon 15 Jul 2013, 1:26 pm

Knowsit17 wrote:
One thing I don't recall is you complaining when Ireland supplied the lion's share 4 years ago and other nation's players had to hold their tackle bags. By all means if you can't take not being the most important contributing side, feel free to drop out. Then we'll be able to call them the British Lions without an Irish uproar being thrown up every time, which makes little sense anyway considering the Lions are garnering less and less support in Ireland based on recent comments.

The test side was selected on merit last time. Ireland were reigning GS champs, Leinster Heino champs but yet only had POC, BOD, Bowe, Kearney, Wallace and Heaslip in the test side.

Wales didn't do the slam, had lost 9 on the trot going into the 6N, the regions all had poor seasons yet they had 10 players start the final test.

Hardly comparable is it?

by **rodders** Mon 15 Jul 2013, 1:35 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
rodders wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Certain Irish members on here have covered themselves in shame during this Lions Wales tour.

In whats sense? For objecting to their players being conned into giving up their summer to hold tackle bags for Wales?

I recall quite a few Welsh being up in arms about SCW's antics in '05? Some people have short memories.

What Welsh players should not have gone then Rodders ?

I think Lydiate, Phillips, Jenkins, Warburton, Evans, Davies, Roberts and Cuthbert were all lucky to make the tour, perhaps North too.

I'd have taken Roberts, North and Phillips on reputation but there has to be some sort of fair criteria for selection and too many out of sorts players were given a leg up over better performing players from other nations.

I have huge respect for Wales and the talent they currently have but players should have to earn their Lions selection otherwise the concept has no value.

Gatland has made a farce of the whole thing and put another nail in the coffin of a once great tradition.

by funnyExiledScot Mon 15 Jul 2013, 1:43 pm

Well I'm still smarting from Richie Gray being ignored from the player of the tour award. He was frankly epic in the final 10 minutes of the 3rd Test. The Lions would not have won without him.....

by Taffineastbourne Mon 15 Jul 2013, 2:16 pm

Tipuric wielded a pretty good tackle bag I heard.Oh,hang on he is not Irish so doesn't fit the agenda.Drat it!

by SecretFly Mon 15 Jul 2013, 2:24 pm

Taffineastbourne wrote:Tipuric wielded a pretty good tackle bag I heard.Oh,hang on he is not Irish so doesn't fit the agenda.Drat it!

He got 15 minutes of the Greatest Final Series Test ever in the history of the Lions ever in the history of the World. So don't hoof him retrospectively onto the non-23 man match day squad, Taff. He's a bloomin' Lion King, that lad.

by Sin é Mon 15 Jul 2013, 2:37 pm

I wonder was Gats released by the WRU on the condition that he would bring as many Welsh players as could hobble along?

WRU chief Roger Lewis believes Wales is on top of the rugby world following the success of the British and Irish Lions.

The Lions series victory over Australia may have been an alliance of all four home unions, but WRU boss Lewis believes the tourists’ first success in 16 years was firmly ‘made in Wales’.

And with Wales supplying 10 starters for the historic third Test win in Sydney, as well as the majority of the back-room staff, Lewis reckons the Lions series:

* Backed the WRU's new contract for Warren Gatland in 2010;

* Justified the controversial decision to release Gatland to the tourists;

* Can pave the way for success at the 2015 World Cup, and will inspire a new generation of stars in Wales.

Wales, on the back of a successive Six Nations titles, not only dominated the look of the Lions but also caused the damage against the Wallabies.

Man of the Series Leigh Halfpenny, George North, Alex Cuthbert and Jamie Roberts accounted for a remarkable 87% of the Lions points during the three Tests, scoring 69 of their team’s 79 points.

I made the point before the tour that Gatland would do exactly what he did - use the tour to develop the welsh players so that they will perform in the world cup. Its going to be interestesting to see how he shocks a performance out of them the next time!

by SecretFly Mon 15 Jul 2013, 2:45 pm

Sin é wrote:I wonder was Gats released by the WRU on the condition that he would bring as many Welsh players as could hobble along?

WRU chief Roger Lewis believes Wales is on top of the rugby world following the success of the British and Irish Lions.

The Lions series victory over Australia may have been an alliance of all four home unions, but WRU boss Lewis believes the tourists’ first success in 16 years was firmly ‘made in Wales’.

And with Wales supplying 10 starters for the historic third Test win in Sydney, as well as the majority of the back-room staff, Lewis reckons the Lions series:

* Backed the WRU's new contract for Warren Gatland in 2010;

* Justified the controversial decision to release Gatland to the tourists;

* Can pave the way for success at the 2015 World Cup, and will inspire a new generation of stars in Wales.

Wales, on the back of a successive Six Nations titles, not only dominated the look of the Lions but also caused the damage against the Wallabies.

Man of the Series Leigh Halfpenny, George North, Alex Cuthbert and Jamie Roberts accounted for a remarkable 87% of the Lions points during the three Tests, scoring 69 of their team’s 79 points.

I made the point before the tour that Gatland would do exactly what he did - use the tour to develop the welsh players so that they will perform in the world cup. Its going to be interestesting to see how he shocks a performance out of them the next time!

Drop Halfpenny for the final against New Zealand?

by Sin é Mon 15 Jul 2013, 2:50 pm

He needs 1/2penny. Probably drop Warburton (if he isn't already injured)!

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 15 Jul 2013, 2:58 pm

I knew Roger Lewis would be played like a trump card on here eventually (the knob of hearts, presumably). I can't think of anyone less tactful. This is the man who announced on his arrival in Australia that the hosts were getting too much money from the tour.

by mystiroakey Mon 15 Jul 2013, 3:07 pm

He is right mind. The lions is all about us coming. And only really benefits the host in development.

therefore we should take a bigger chunk

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 15 Jul 2013, 3:09 pm

He may well be right, but he didn't have to say so on arrival a few days before the first Test. 'G'day Australia, thanks for putting us up, give me some money.'

by SecretFly Mon 15 Jul 2013, 3:25 pm

mystiroakey wrote:He is right mind. The lions is all about us coming. And only really benefits the host in development.

therefore we should take a bigger chunk

But the whole idea is that now Roger Lewis believes otherwise. Now he thinks the money was actually small change and the tour has thrown up more valuable benefits than pure monetary gain. It's set up his boys for a real stab at the next world cup.

The thing is many of us actually agree with him on that point....and often get verbally walloped for saying so Wink

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 15 Jul 2013, 3:34 pm

The point is that Roger Lewis will claim credit for anything he can. So of course he's going to say the Lions win was down to Team Wales.

by Rory_Gallagher Mon 15 Jul 2013, 3:41 pm

LordDowlais wrote:Certain Irish members on here have covered themselves in shame during this Lions tour.

As have certain welsh posters. And other posters from various nationalities. What point are you trying to make Dowlais? Why don't you open your other eye as well mate?

Rolling Eyes

by The Bachelor Mon 15 Jul 2013, 4:08 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:I knew Roger Lewis would be played like a trump card on here eventually (the knob of hearts, presumably)

Not the King of clubs?

by mystiroakey Mon 15 Jul 2013, 4:13 pm

australia 40 m
england 1.5 mill

Something doesnt add up !

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