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Post by GloriousEmpire Sat 07 Sep 2013, 1:00 pm

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Wow. Just wow. South Africa look to be in awesome form.

Granted Australian rugby is in its most miserable state for fifty years, but there is no disguising how intimidating  this Springbok side is.

The Boks have now married their power game with a rapier precision in the Back line and the experience to know when to switch modes. Add Morne Steyn's siege boot and back in form long range goal kicking and you have a serious unit that will be tough to beat. 

Normally poor tourists, South Africa easily outmuscled a fragile looking Australia and clinched a convincing win at the bastion of Australian resistance, the parochial Suncorp stadium.

In this kind of form I can see South Africa ending new Zealand's long run of success at Eden Park. Especially with captain Richie out injured and Dan Carter out of form.

Hats off to Heyneke Meyer. I was a detractor and I put my hand up and say I was wrong.

Most impressive is south Africa's command at the breakdown. Defensively they must have the best turn over rate in the rugby championship and on attack they can maintain pressure through numerous phases and patiently wait their chance to pounce.  Just awesome stuff.


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Post by wales606 Sat 14 Sep 2013, 8:40 am

Bad start to the lineout and scrum for NZ
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Post by kiakahaaotearoa Sat 14 Sep 2013, 8:43 am

Yes set piece was shocking but then bad kick from Habana and Nonu puts in a good kick and SA caught napping at the lineout and never set their defence.

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Post by wales606 Sat 14 Sep 2013, 8:44 am

SA imploded

SA linout in the NZ 22 to a NZ lineout on the 5m
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Post by Artful_Dodger Sat 14 Sep 2013, 8:55 am

Dan Carters collar bone gone with that hit??

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Post by wales606 Sat 14 Sep 2013, 8:56 am

Bismark has won a turnover, and broken Dan Carter in the space of 2 minutes
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Post by rainbow-warrior Sat 14 Sep 2013, 8:58 am

Disgusting decision
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Post by Artful_Dodger Sat 14 Sep 2013, 8:58 am

Rubbish decision by Romaine Poite that is absolute bollix is that yellow card.

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Post by nathan Sat 14 Sep 2013, 8:58 am

rubbish decision!!!!

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Post by wales606 Sat 14 Sep 2013, 8:58 am

That is a terrible decision

Ref should have asked about the tackle too

That is a complete shocker, wow.
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Post by kiakahaaotearoa Sat 14 Sep 2013, 8:59 am

Why did the ref say what's wrong with the tackle to confirm what he thought? He was offside but nothing wrong with the tackle.

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Post by Guest Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:00 am

awful call from the ref, nothing wrong with that tackle, offside maybe.

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Post by kiakahaaotearoa Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:00 am

NZ clearout is rubbish. Far too many Bok players standing over the ball. Smash them out the way!!!

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Post by bsando Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:01 am

Jesus, another weak yellow card. Refs are turning into a bunch of bloody softies. Really not a fan of this TMO for foul play crap as well

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Post by wales606 Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:04 am

Now Habana has broken Dagg
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Post by wales606 Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:04 am

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Why did the ref say what's wrong with the tackle to confirm what he thought? He was offside but nothing wrong with the tackle.
Ref said high and dangerous
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Post by nathan Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:05 am

wales606 wrote:
kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Why did the ref say what's wrong with the tackle to confirm what he thought? He was offside but nothing wrong with the tackle.
Ref said high and dangerous
said no arms too, which isnt right.

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Post by wales606 Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:05 am

I was hoping nobody would score until SA were back to 15, rather unfair
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Post by kiakahaaotearoa Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:06 am

What the hell was Habana doing? He was nowhere near the ball and smacks into Dagg.

bsando the TMO would've stopped the yellow card if the ref was listening but he chose to ignore his advice.

Try for NZ but the breakdown is still ugly. We can't get clean, quick ball.


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Post by bsando Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:07 am

Wow nice try! Shocking defence. What do the boks do now? Need to crush this AB's momentum and play some more run in NZ's half

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Post by wales606 Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:07 am

nathan wrote:
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kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Why did the ref say what's wrong with the tackle to confirm what he thought? He was offside but nothing wrong with the tackle.
Ref said high and dangerous
said no arms too, which isnt right.
Yeah, that was it

2 touch judges and a TMO and they all let Poite decide that a good tackle was both high and a shoulder charge?
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Post by Artful_Dodger Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:07 am

Wayne Barnes was demoted from the IRB's elite panel of refs for yellow carding Stephen Ferris for a legitimate tackles which also cost Ireland the match. Poite could be in line for the same.

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Post by bsando Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:12 am

Another bad poite decision


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Post by wales606 Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:13 am

Poite making more mistakes according to Marshall

Apparently the ball is in play as soon as the player starts the run for a free kick

Didn't know that
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Post by kiakahaaotearoa Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:13 am

Just as well GE is away...

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Post by kiakahaaotearoa Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:15 am

So many things to work on for NZ. Kicking is atrocious. Get the ball out in the clearing kicks.

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Post by kiakahaaotearoa Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:17 am

Great try SA. All from the poor clearing kick.

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Post by wales606 Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:17 am

Big call to go for the corner, and a big maul from the pack

Good try for Bismark - he is playing well today.
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Post by bsando Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:17 am

What a classic try by the boks! Just knew they were going over. Game on!!

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Post by nathan Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:21 am

how many times were the all blacks playing it on the floor!

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Post by wales606 Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:22 am

Bismark is everywhere
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Post by ospreysboyo Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:24 am

nathan wrote:how many times were the all blacks playing it on the floor!
How do they get away with it???

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Post by wales606 Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:27 am

SA have looked the better side so far - they have built the most, but were pretty unlucky to spend 10 minutes with 14 men.

Unfortunately, some dodgy kicking and a couple of weak tackles have cost them 14pts
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Post by maestegmafia Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:31 am

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:Will NZ be superior upwind and engage SA in a tacking contest? Can SA get up off their foils and turn smoother?
Sounds like the Auld Mug is already effecting you kiwis...

Three more races mate.. Though spoke to Tom Slingsby yesterday and he wasn't exactly enthusiastic..

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Post by bsando Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:40 am

£10 says that'll be another urine weak yellow

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Post by nathan Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:41 am

feel sorry for the man, clearly he shouldnt of been sent off.

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Post by kiakahaaotearoa Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:41 am

Don't want to take that bet. Oh dear...

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Post by Guest Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:41 am

Well thats killed the game

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Post by bsando Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:41 am

Cheers TMO, Poite for ruining a classic game. Speechless, what a pile of crap! So angry.

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Post by kiakahaaotearoa Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:42 am

Luatua must be on so I'm going to look at interest how things change at the breakdown with the big fulla on.

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Post by bsando Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:42 am

Is rugby not a contact sport anymore?

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Post by nathan Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:44 am

bsando wrote:Is rugby not a contact sport anymore?
your not allowed to lead in to tackle with your elbow so that yellow was correct. However he should never of got the first yellow.

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Post by nathan Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:45 am

so the refs have given up making the teams put the ball in straight. that lasted long.

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Post by disneychilly Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:47 am

Wasn't going to log in as I'm watching on a computer at my hostel in Chisinau but I just had to vent. That's BS right there. Poite just ruined the contest. Great tackle on DC, shame DC got hurt but that's life. Talk about a unilateral decision for the first yellow. I'd have taken a penalty for the second. I reckon 15 on 15 would have gone to a 3 point game either way but now Read's over and this could be five points for NZ due to those rubbish decisions.

BTW Barrett is playing bloody well.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:47 am

Didnt the an all black player lead with the forearm against Earls last summer and nearly knocked him out? He got a try instead of a yellow though. Different rules apply to the ABs.

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Post by kiakahaaotearoa Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:48 am

Messam still on sorry. I think the elbow was high but really it came from Messam's reaction. TMO said head and then corrected himself and said neck. Feel bad for Poite in that regard as the TMO stitched him up with that description. The reverse of what happened for the first one.

Bonus point one try away for NZ. Doesn't matter how dodgy the decision was, you need to get that four try point with one man off the field.

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Post by wales606 Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:49 am

Really annoyed

This game was shaping up to be a nail biter

The TMO's powers were extended specifically to stop refs making a complete man sausage-up of decisions, and Poite has managed it anyway.

Feel really sorry for SA because they will never know if they really were good enough to win this test match.
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Post by wales606 Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:52 am

The citing commission decision for the red card will be interesting. If he gets a ban it will be a complete shambles.
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Post by kiakahaaotearoa Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:52 am

Yes, the game was shaping up for a fascinating last quarter. We'll have to wait for Soweto for the return match.

Still a game to be played though. SA won't give up. They know NZ have a bonus point within their reach.

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Post by kiakahaaotearoa Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:56 am

Nonu should've gone wide there. Clever from JDV.

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Post by disneychilly Sat 14 Sep 2013, 9:57 am

True Leinster Hosea Gear.

I think the only people that should be yellowed for tackling Carter are New Zealanders in a World Cup year.

Kia it's not Soweto. It's Ellis Park. Huge. But the thing is with these conditions I reckon the Boks have an edge. Dry crisp conditions suit the ABs down to the ground so I'd tip us to sneak that one too.

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