HC, Pool 2, Round 2: Glasgow Warriors v Exeter Chiefs

Glasgow Warriors   v Exeter Chiefs  

Sunday 20 October 2013, 14:00
Scotstoun Stadium, Glasgow
 
Not on bloody telly

Referee: Romain Poite (France)
Touch Judge 1: Christophe Berdos (France)
Touch Judge 2: Tual Trainini (France)
Citing Commissioner: Jean-Etienne Bernard (France)

 
A. Current Standings:
Team/Played/Won/Drawn/Lost/Points For/Points Against/BPs/Points 
 

1	Toulon	1	1	0	0	51	28	1	5
2	Exeter	1	1	0	0	44	29	1	5
3	Cardiff Blues	1	0	0	1	29	44	1	1
4	Glasgow	1	0	0	1	28	51	1	1

 
B. Previous Match Line-ups:
 
1. Glasgow
 
(against Toulon)
 
Sean Maitland, Tommy Seymour, Mark Bennett, Alex Dunbar, Nikola Matawalu, Rhubarb Jackson, Henry Pyrgos, Ryan Grant, Dougie Hall, Jon Welsh, Jonny Gray, Al Kellock, Tim Swinson, Chris Fusaro, Josh Strauss.
 
Replacements: McGuigan for Dunbar (32), van der Merwe for Pyrgos (41), Low for Grant (66), MacArthur for Hall (52), Kalman for Welsh (52), Vernon for Swinson (52), Weir for Strauss (75).
 
2. Exeter
 
(against Cardiff Blues)
 
Phil Dollman, Matt Jess, Ian Whitten, Jason Shoemark, Fetu'u Vainikolo, Gareth Steenson, Dave Lewis; Brett Sturgess, Chris Whitehead, Hoani Tui, Dean Mumm (capt), Damian Welch, Tom Johnson, Ben White, Dave Ewers
 
Replacements: Jack Yeandle for Whitehead (48), Carl Rimmer for Tui (51), Don Armand for Welch (62), Kai Horstmann for Johnson (30), Haydn Thomas for Lewis (48), Henry Slade for Steenson (56), Sireli Naqelevuki for Shoemark (57)
 
C. Form (last 6 games):
 
1. Glasgow
 
Toulon - Glasgow 51-28
Scarlets - Glasgow 12-17
Zebre - Glasgow 17-24
Glasgow - Leinster 12-6
Ulster - Glasgow 12-13
Glasgow - Cardiff Blues 22-15
 
2. Exeter
 
Exeter - Cardiff Blues 44-29
Gloucester - Exeter 12-29
Exeter - Leicester 9-21
London Irish - Exeter 23-29
Exeter - Wasps 30-26
Northampton - Exeter 38-11
 
D. Teams:
 
1. Glasgow
 
15. Sean Maitland
14. Tommy Seymour
13. Byron McGuigan
12. Gabriel Ascarate
11. DTH van der Merwe
10. Ruaridh Jackson
9. Niko Matawalu
 
1. Ryan Grant
2. Pat MacArthur
3. Ed Kalman
4. Tim Swinson
5. Al Kellock (Captain)
6. Rob Harley
7. Tyrone Holmes
8. Josh Strauss
 
16. Dougie Hall
17. Jerry Yanuyanutawa
18. Moray Low
19. Jonny Gray
20. Richie Vernon
21. Chris Cusiter
22. Duncan Weir
23. Mark Bennett
 
2. Exeter
 
15 Phil Dollman
14 Ian Whitten
13 Jason Shoemark
12 Sam Hill
11 Matt Jess
10 Gareth Steenson
9 Dave Lewis
 
8 Dave Ewers
7 Ben White
6 Tom Johnson
5 Damian Welch
4 Dean Mumm (capt)
3 Hoani Tui
2 Chris Whitehead
1 Ben Moon
 
16 Jack Yeandle
17 Brett Sturgess
18 Alex Brown
19 Don Armand
20 Kai Horstmann
21 Haydn Thomas
22 Henry Slade
23 Fetu'u Vainikolo
 
E. Parliamo Glasgow:
 
Alphabetty Spaghetti - D.T.H. van der Merwe, wing
Angel - Gabriel Ascarate, centre
Angela - Jon Welsh, prop
Barry - Byron McGuigan, wing
Big Boab - (see Ginger Tackle Monster, the)
Big Mike - (see Coo, the)
Big Naka - Leone Nakarawa, lock/loosie
Bluto - Josh Strauss, loosie/no.8
Centre, the - (see Lesser Messiah, the)
Coo, the - Michael Cusack, prop
Cooseetah - (see Cus)
Cus - Chris Cusiter, scrum half
DTH - (see Alphabetty Spaghetti)
Flippy - (see Toonie)
Fozzy - Christopher Fusaro, loosie
Furra Lineeeee - Peter Horne, centre
Ginger Tackle Monster, the - Rob Harley, loosie
Guns - Tim Swinson, lock
Henners - Henry Pyrgos, scrum half
Hoggy - Stuart Hogg, full back/wing/centre
Ickle Jon - Jonny Gray, lock
Jedi - James Eddie, loosie
Lesser Messiah, the - Richie Vernon, loosie/no.8
Mark of Nazareth - (see Messiah, the)
Meatball, the - Duncan Weir, fly half
Messiah, the/ - Mark Bennett, centre
Niko - Nikola Matawalu, scrum half
Niko's Mate - Jerry Yanuyanutawa, prop
No Maits - Sean Maitland, wing
Rhubarb - Ruaridh Jackson, fly half
Ruck Inspector, the - Alastair Kellock, lock
Schlong - Sean Lamont, centre/wing
Sherlock - Tyrone Holmes, loosie
Shrek - Gordon Reid, prop
Toonie - Gregor Peter John Townsend MBE, head coach
Wee P - Pat MacArthur, hooker
Weegie from Fiji, the - (see Niko)

Can't see beyond Glasgow for this one. Two great wins away from home in the Rabo, steely defense, its a must win game for them. However if Exeter bring the game they showed in the first half this week it will be no walkover. could be the game of the week. Looking forward to it.

Can I confess to being more than a little excited about this one? If we get Exe's first half performance against Glasgow's second half one, then we are in for some spectacle. A number of Chiefs departed with knocks - Tom Johnson, Jason Shoemark, Carl Rimmer, so we'll have to wait and see how they recover before getting a sense of what the team might look like (tu)

So what do Glasgow do with Matowalo? start him at 9? who takes the place kicks?

matowalo reminds me a bit of toonie - capable of unlocking any defence and capable of ridiculous errors. a high risk player

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:Can I confess to being more than a little excited about this one?  If we get Exe's first half performance against Glasgow's second half one, then we are in for some spectacle.  A number of Chiefs departed with knocks - Tom Johnson, Jason Shoemark, Carl Rimmer, so we'll have to wait and see how they recover before getting a sense of what the team might look like (tu)

I think its a bit optimistic to expect a similar performance from Exe. They were at home and simply everything clicked until they felt they were in garbage time and let down a bit. And, frankly, I would expect a lot more from Glasgow, especially since Glasgow will be at home. But keeping the same game plan and the same aggression they displayed in the first half should see them through.

TJ wrote:So what do Glasgow do with Matowalo?  start him at 9?  who takes the place kicks?

We need try bonus points now so I am more relaxed about who is taking kicks as we need Niko at 9 to create opportunities.
 
Jackson can take the easy ones and the Messiah can have a stab at the others. Very difficult to drop Jackson for Weir (who has a high goalkicking percentage) as the Mighty Rhubarb has actually been in good form this season. Not justifiable to play Henners - he's not as Niko-like as Niko and his all round game really isn't as good as Cusiter's.
 
Asbo will kill me for saying it but our pre-season friendly win against the Chiefs looked fairly comfortable and whilst the teams playing this week will have little resemblance to those pre-season squads (Scott Wight, anyone? Thought not), I contend that it's a good sign. Chiefs had a mind bending first half hour against the Blues but seemed to have a brain fade later so if we can just stop them blasting out of the traps we should be all right.
 
I will send my Latvian heavies round to Toonie's gaff to have a gentle word if he continues to p!ss about with players out of position. Never seen Swinson look so awkward on a rugby pitch. No need for it. Toonie just needs to decide whom he wants his athletic lock to be - Gray or Kellock. Tom Ryder should hopefully be back in contention for the Munster mash the week after next. Lord, we've missed him.

George Carlin wrote:

TJ wrote:So what do Glasgow do with Matowalo?  start him at 9?  who takes the place kicks?

We need try bonus points now so I am more relaxed about who is taking kicks as we need Niko at 9 to create opportunities.
 
Jackson can take the easy ones and the Messiah can have a stab at the others. Very difficult to drop Jackson for Weir (who has a high goalkicking percentage) as the Mighty Rhubarb has actually been in good form this season. Not justifiable to play Henners - he's not as Niko-like as Niko and his all round game really isn't as good as Cusiter's.
 
Asbo will kill me for saying it but our pre-season friendly win against the Chiefs looked fairly comfortable and whilst the teams playing this week will have little resemblance to those pre-season squads (Scott Wight, anyone? Thought not), I contend that it's a good sign. Chiefs had a mind bending first half hour against the Blues but seemed to have a brain fade later so if we can just stop them blasting out of the traps we should be all right.
 
I will send my Latvian heavies round to Toonie's gaff to have a gentle word if he continues to p!ss about with players out of position. Never seen Swinson look so awkward on a rugby pitch. No need for it. Toonie just needs to decide whom he wants his athletic lock to be - Gray or Kellock. Tom Ryder should hopefully be back in contention for the Munster mash the week after next. Lord, we've missed him.

On the contrary, GC, you'd find me entirely in agreement with you - Exe were poor, and remained so for the opening games of the season. However, things have undoubtedly started to turn around, and I am optimistic that the contest will be far more evenly matched on this occasion. Home advantage will be important without a doubt, and I suspect that selection will be critical for the Warriors (less so for Chiefs, given that the squad is fairly even in strength terms, without any huge 'stars')

Couldn't quite believe how strong in contact Jonny Gray was against Toulon, Kellock put in a good shift with some big hits too.
So Gray and Kellock in the row with Swinson on the bench.
Harley at blindside, Holmes openside, Fusaro was poor yesterday.
Hope Strauss has recovered, he looked a man possessed in that 2nd half against Toulon.

Agreed, Vince, surely the Swinson experiment at blindside will be abandoned - he didn't do badly there, but he isn't a ginger tackle monster. Equally, I still can't understand why Henry was preferred at 9, unless Toonie was worried that Rhubarb's kicking from tee would go to pieces? But even then, I'd turn to for kicking duties before Pythgagoras? So Harley and Cus back in for me for the Weege, Ascarate in for Dunbar is his knock doesn't clear up, and I'd prefer Lamont over Seymour on the wing, with DTH to start on the other wing - Nico gets to start at scrumhalf, mainly cos he is so difficult to defend against, and if he can keep Exe's backrow tied in (which is essential - they are a v good unit), then gaps will appear

Seymour had a decent game did he not?

TJ wrote:Seymour had a decent game did he not?

He did, TJ, but I simply think that Lamont's heart is 'catching' for his teammates - I think they have been playing on a similar level, but the leadership of Lamont gets the nod for me

As I tried to post via my i phone in my shell shocked and alcohol infused state post match yesterday - DTH VDM is the one of the best wingers in the Rabo.   He can play centre too and has for Canada.   Should never be out of the Warriors 15.    Niko Mata (The Weegie from Fiji) is a genius of a rugby player - flights of fancy allied to moments of madness, along with make it up as you go  rugby brilliance.   Need him involved in all things so play him at SH - he is not a wing.    1st half thought only Bennett(20), Jackson(24) and Gray(19) were on their A game.   2nd half Niko,  DTH, Kellock,  Strauss, Seymour joined them.   Murray Low looked quite useful in the loose when he replaced Angela.   Did we ever miss Big Bad Bob Harley out there ! ?   Maitland had his poorest game ever for us but he will recover as he is a consumate professional player. Hogg is our FB so Maits can go to the opposite wing to DTH when Hoggy is fit again.

My team for Sunday:
15 Maitland
14 Seymour
13 Bennett
12 Ascarate (if Dunbar not fit)
11 DTH VDM
10 Jackson
9 NikooooooH furra linneeee
8 Strauss
7 Holmes
6 Harley
5 Kellock
4 Gray
3 Welsh
2 MacArthur
1 Grant

16 Jedi 17 Low 18 Hall 19 Ya Ya 20 Swinson 21 Weir 22 Lamont 23 Ascarate/Vernon

I would have no problem with that side, possibly Schlong on the bench.
p.s. how's the Muppetmeter?

I have tickets for the game :-)

TJ,

Scouthall at 1 buddy

Jimbo,
Muppetmeter leapt up to 7.5% at 40 mins. Settled back down to 2-3% at 80 mins. I had Shlong at 22 mate.

Schiz, bi-focals letting me down again. Possibly Barry at 23?
TJ, if you haven't been to Scoutston with Schiz and his minder aka Mrs Schiz, " I know but he's nice really", get yourself to the Scouthall at 12:59 and be prepared for a very convivial afternoon, and hazy evening.

I thought Mark Bennett looked well at home on Sunday even in the first half as did Jonny Gray, in the second half a few others joined them and had they picked their full team then we could have run them close.

I'd go for:

15. Maitland
14. Seymour
13. Bennett
12. Dunbar
11. Van Der Merwe
10. Weir
9. Niko
8. Strauss
7. Fusaro
6. Harley
5. Kellock
4. Swinson
3. Welsh
2. MacArthur
1. Grant

16. YanuYanutawa
17. Hall
18. Low
19. Swinson
20. Holmes
21. Cusiter
22. Jackson
23. Lamont

Numbers, I think you have to start with Ruaridh. He is really on song at the moment and I can not think of any credible reason for dropping him.
I think the first half V Cardiff flattered the Chiefs somewhat. The Blues defense seemed to be based on not contesting the breakdown thereby keeping numbers spread across the field. This would eventually lead to the Chiefs kicking for territory which could be run back by Cuthbert and 1/2p. The Chiefs sussed this out quickly and used quick ball to attack close in and made hay until half-time when the Blues regrouped with plan B.
Glasgow will be better organised and will attack from the off.44-33 to us.

Take it you mean Gray at 19 numbers ?

No I meant Gray starting but made a mistake when I was deciding between Swinson and Kellock and ended up putting both.
I also went for Weir because I don't think Jackson is good enough, Weir, in my opinion, is the better player and needs game time to recover from his injury.

Jackson was pretty damn good v Toulon despite the comments of the moronic commentary team on Sky 2. Let him kick as well he got 4/4 yesterday.

Interesting on the Warriors Blog - someone thinks Ryan Grant is in last chance saloon after some rather iffy performances. What do you extended Warrior Nation dudes think ?

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:Interesting on the Warriors Blog - someone thinks Ryan Grant is in last chance saloon after some rather iffy performances.  What do you extended Warrior Nation dudes think ?

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21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:Interesting on the Warriors Blog - someone thinks Ryan Grant is in last chance saloon after some rather iffy performances.  What do you extended Warrior Nation dudes think ?

Not sure I understand that. He was giving Castro all kinds of problems against Toulon.

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:TJ,

Scouthall at 1 buddy

.

I would love to but I am escorting my aged and eccentric parents to the match. they are too much to inflict on anyone not family :-)

We are missing Cusack badly. I think we have a number of very good props, but not convinced (Cusack aside) that we are quite up to mark against the best scrummaging teams. i.e. we either do very well against average scrummaging teams but as soon as we are up against a top scrummaging team weaknesses show.

Same applies for me with Grant - looks good against most but struggles against the best. If he manages to get in a good initial position after the hit then he does tend to make progress against his opposite number, but depends on the back 5 behind. With Swinson and Kellock as the locks and Strauss at 6 to stablise I wonder whether the opportunity to get into the right position first up is increased. As you say GC Grant looked ok against Castro, but as soon as the power came on from the rest of the pack we struggled.

Gray has looked great so far but wonder whether we need that scrummaging balance for the first 50 against the big teams - Holmes on the open side too for me.

jimbopip wrote:Schiz, bi-focals letting me down again. Possibly Barry at 23?
TJ, if you haven't been to Scoutston with Schiz and his minder aka Mrs Schiz, " I know but he's nice really", get yourself to the Scouthall at 12:59 and be prepared for a very convivial afternoon, and hazy evening.

TJ, regrettably you'll also be forced to endure my company!  

123456789 wrote:I thought Mark Bennett looked well at home on Sunday even in the first half as did Jonny Gray, in the second half a few others joined them and had they picked their full team then we could have run them close.

I'd go for:

15. Maitland
14. Seymour
13. Bennett
12. Dunbar
11. Van Der Merwe
10. Weir
9. Niko
8. Strauss
7. Fusaro
6. Harley
5. Kellock
4. Swinson
3. Welsh
2. MacArthur
1. Grant

16. YanuYanutawa
17. Hall
18. Low
19. Swinson
20. Holmes
21. Cusiter
22. Jackson
23. Lamont

Numbahs, that's plenty of your blasphemy, don't let fES hear you for goodness sake - these lads have to play another 4,832,971 games before they can be considered professionals

George Carlin wrote:

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:Interesting on the Warriors Blog - someone thinks Ryan Grant is in last chance saloon after some rather iffy performances.  What do you extended Warrior Nation dudes think ?

Not sure I understand that. He was giving Castro all kinds of problems against Toulon.

GC, agreed - I felt that Glasgow's scrum problems were mainly from Angela against that monster he was opposite, the one that looked like BA Baraccus (sp?) but made of granite and bigger and scarier. Grant seemed to deal with Castro fine on the other side

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:

jimbopip wrote:Schiz, bi-focals letting me down again. Possibly Barry at 23?
TJ, if you haven't been to Scoutston with Schiz and his minder aka Mrs Schiz, " I know but he's nice really", get yourself to the Scouthall at 12:59 and be prepared for a very convivial afternoon, and hazy evening.

TJ, regrettably you'll also be forced to endure my company!  

as above - I'd love to meet up but its impractical with my aged and odd parents in tow

TJ wrote:

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:TJ,

Scouthall at 1 buddy

.

I would love to but I am escorting my aged and eccentric parents to the match.  they are too much to inflict on anyone not family :-)

You haven't met me or C21st in person?!?!  Gives new meaning to "barking mad"!

I'm sorely tempted to eschew the burger van and grace the Scout Hut at 13:02 just to witness a crazy guy chasing two parents around, shouting, "ah come on, it's just a bit o' fun!! People normally love my elephant impersonation!"

You know it makes sense, Bru

I'm there, man. There like swimwear.  

 , ,  or   - it all good.

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:

George Carlin wrote:

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:Interesting on the Warriors Blog - someone thinks Ryan Grant is in last chance saloon after some rather iffy performances.  What do you extended Warrior Nation dudes think ?

Not sure I understand that. He was giving Castro all kinds of problems against Toulon.

GC, agreed - I felt that Glasgow's scrum problems were mainly from Angela against that monster he was opposite, the one that looked like BA Baraccus (sp?) but made of granite and bigger and scarier.  Grant seemed to deal with Castro fine on the other side

 
Yes, Angela got a bit of a manshaming from Emmanuel Felsina, who was in a lot of the 'team of the round' selections. An enormous man and proof again that there's nobody like Cusack. If he's not right in the new year, then Nathan Bomrys needs to sell a kidney to get someone like Owen Franks, Daniel Kotze or Frik Kirsten over here.

Only some standing places behind the sticks are left for this game. All seats have gone.
 
Am rather hacked off that it won't be live on telly, apparently...

these are the ones televised

19/10/2013 06:00 EDT Heineken Cup Round 2

Saracens
v
Toulouse

19/10/2013 23:35 EDT Heineken Cup Round 2

Blues
v
Toulon

20/10/2013 01:40 EDT Heineken Cup Round 2

Leinster
v
Castres

20/10/2013 03:55 EDT Heineken Cup Round 2

Munster
v
Gloucester

20/10/2013 22:45 EDT Heineken Cup Round 2

Northampton
v
Ospreys

Those cannot be the k/o times surely ?

So. Will Asbo have to rip himself in two? and who has to shag the ugly half?

alive555 wrote:

20/10/2013 01:40 EDT Heineken Cup Round 2

This one is on the 19th at 15:40 so I'm guessing those are East coast Australia

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:So. Will Asbo have to rip himself in two? and who has to shag the ugly half?

Both halves are feicin ugly if you don't mind, Jen?! Hoping to get the time to sew my two shirts together

Happy either way eh? Yes I've heard that about you. ;0

IanBru wrote:I'm there, man. There like swimwear.  

 , ,  or   - it all good.

Ahhh Senor Bru - joining the North Stand Massif huh ?     

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:

IanBru wrote:I'm there, man. There like swimwear.  

 , ,  or   - it all good.

Ahhh Senor Bru - joining the North Stand Massif huh ?     

I'm not impressed. You're at Scotstoun, I'm in Essex and Sky are showing Feck all. I'm not happy about this. I must be trapped in someone else's life.

Not on the Red button? I thought pretty much every game was shown in the HC?

Yes Jimbo dude.  ASBO, IanB and TJ (if he can give his mum and dad the slip !) will be partying hard and getting well wicked with the NS Massif.  You, my man, are a finely honed athlete who cannot be tempted by alcoholic narcotics, sins of the flesh and of course exciting, live sporting occasions in the leafy WE of Glasgow.
Booyah man !

I will be the man with the pink carnation in my buttonhole and a copy of the guardian rolled up under my left arm

Yeah on Saturday we have a Vets game away to Upminster. They play every week, are effectively a club within a club- refuse to play for their fists or seconds, and most of our lads are looking on it as a jolly boys' outing with a bit of a run around in the middle of the day.
I'm definitely on the wrong side of the looking glass. Like Chunk at a Mr Universe contest.

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:Not on the Red button? I thought pretty much every game was shown in the HC?

One or two always slip thru the net, Jen - the try-fest between Embra vs Racing a year or so back was another that wasn't televised (although an unofficial version appeared on youtube eventually)

Problem may be no TMO /video ref - not good . All French officials so at least not Idiot Clownshoes Clancy who I predicted we would have to suffer. Mon. Poite is the man in the middle.