Realistic Premier League

First topic message reminder :

Please be aware that this week's fixture are as follows:


Stoke City v West Bromwich
Sunderland v Norwich
Aston Villa v Fulham
Newcastle Utd v Crystal Palace
West Ham Utd v Cardiff City

Please PM Hero the following (if you are playing myself then PM Nando) before the end of Friday:

1. A easy to read team sheet eg:


2. A list of 7 substitutes eg: Lindegaard, Fabio, Jones, Young, Hernandez, Welbeck, Cleverley.

3. A list of 3 injuries (not applicable in week 1) eg: Giggs, Smalling, Valencia

4. Clear tactics in a bullet point format, we advise a minimum of five lines and a maximum of ten eg:

   GK - Be vocal, communicate with your defensive line at all times, instruct them at set pieces and look to catch the ball rather than punch it, look to release early onto the flanks for counter attacks.
   FBs - Keep any wingers on the outside, stay on your feet and block crosses, come forward down the flank when available
   CBs - Man mark the strikers, keep goal side and time tackles
   CMs - Look to pressurise early, spread the ball across the pitch and dictate the pace of the game
   WGs - Work with our FBs to double up down the flanks and whip balls into the box, mix it up by coming inside and dribbling into the box, look to go down easy.
   SS - Play between the midfield and the main striker, link up play, hang just outside the box when there's period of pressure and look for loose balls
   ST - Hang on the shoulder of the deepest CB and look to drag them out of position, anticipate the ball and look to burst into the box for crosses or one-twos.



These shall then be posted on the board and results will be posted on Monday.


Clubs, Budgets and Links:

Aston Villa - Y I Man - £70M - https://www.606v2.com/t49110-aston-villa
Fulham - Fernando - £70M - https://www.606v2.com/t49125-fulham-football-club
Newcastle - Hero - £70M - https://www.606v2.com/t49112-newcastle-united-football-club
Norwich - Nickis - £75M - https://www.606v2.com/t49128-norwich-city-fc
Stoke - Holymilky - £70M - https://www.606v2.com/t49170-stoke-city
Sunderland - xviperx - £75M - https://www.606v2.com/t49135-sunderland-association-football-club
West Brom - Olly - £70M - https://www.606v2.com/t49228-west-brom-new-page-new-manager
West Ham - CF - £75M - https://www.606v2.com/t49126-west-ham-united-football-club

Here's some of the ideas that we plan to put forward for the league to make it a more enjoyable experience for everyone.

1. Results

You know how it's a tiresome bore to have to trawl through all the tactics and decide on scores of groups of players from far off leagues you don't know? Well now you don't! Between the panel of 'experts' these will be decided each week allowing you to get on with the things that you enjoy more.

2. Transfers
Is it fair that your club doesn't ever get mentioned in the papers whilst the team at the top gets linked to better players? No of course it's not! Therefore if a player is linked with ANY club in the league then they're fair game for ANY club in the league, the team linked may have the head start but you put the case forward why the player should Join yours and you may gazump them.

3. Rumours

This is my personal fave so I hope you like it.
Each week we will be scouring the papers etc and finding you rumours. It maybe your players being scouted by a bigger club and them about to make you an offer that you can't refuse, it may be a transfer target you've missed that could be the next big thing interested in joining your club, if the papers are quiet there maybe even ones we think would be useful additions that we allow in.

4. In form players.
We want you to keep your eye on players that in real life are playing out of their skin so every week we'll release In Form Players, these players could well play out of their skin in the game ahead.

These are all things we'd like to use in the game, if you have any others or if you'd like to see tweaks to the suggestions please let us know.

Well, we aren't gonna get anywhere. Exactly the reasons why this has failed before.

1. I'm happy enough scrolling through tactics and deciding by myself how to do it. It doesn't work with members in the league and the 'expert panel' deciding results as it's just going to be biased.

2. Transfermarkt and other sources will have loads of rumours for your club. There are loads of links up to your club that will provide you with at least some evidence that they might be interested, even if it isn't as strong as another. Plus, that idea just defeats the point in realism to be honest. If a player is willing to join that club, they don't go elsewhere.

3. Basically what you've just stated I could very easily do everyday. Look online, not difficult for people to do that.

4. That's not a bad idea personally but that'd be used anyway as that's the point in realism i.e Cabaye, Ben Arfa.

1. There will be no bias, the main person involved in the results isn't a manager.

2. There has to remain a level playing field, the main reason for any league failing is the sense of unbalance and favouring one club over another. Simply being Newcastle get linked to better players than Hull.

3. Currently you've barely been able to post on admin, you've added one page and I've done the donkey work for the rest. I'd be surprised if everyday you're scouring the redtops for the league.

4. Not anyone in the league knows a Max Meyer.

This doesn't sound like fun anymore haha

Dear god it doesn't does it!

It is something that we want it to be fun so that's why we're trying to come up with ideas to make it so rather than just jump in with things that fail and fail again. I hope no ones been put off!

I like ideas 2,3 and 4 Hero

However i like the old fashion way when people just send results to someone via PM and then the results get published, however i have said many times that people can easily be biast doing this, i.e. trying to get one over on someone because they have a problem with them or if there trying to do it to enhance there league position.

So im happy to sit on the fence for whatever

What use is all this gonna do. Already people are beginning to think this isn't as fun anymore. All we are doing here is stalling the league on these talks. Just because the league has been run this way in the past doesn't mean it has to do now. Something needs to change and I feel this should be the change, simple stuff.

What, you've recovered the pages from before? I never asked you to.

But it doesn't seem that way because these ideas don't seem to be making it much 'fun' for the members already do they.

I'm not a member but I like all of the ideas Hero has mentioned.

Lets be honest here, there doesn't seem to be any problems and no one has voiced any concerns towards the league as yet. So why are we trying to fix something that's not broken? I think what we need is a Suggestions page where members can voice there own ideas and they get considered and if we ever need to put them into place, then we will do so.

I'm not understanding any of this 'group' or 'team' business. I've got no clue what it's about. I just wanna get on with the league as we are failing to get over the first hurdle here.

Cheers Nick.

Whilst the old fashioned way averages out people's opinions which I think is a great way to ensure fairness there's two issues with it I feel.
One is the apathy towards doing it, most people find it the most tiresome thing to do as a manager, we don't want people getting fed up of the league due to menial tasks like that.
Two is that we appreciate not everyone is aware of every league going, that not everyone knows their Bernard from their Sidney Sam and we don't expect you to. Between the guys who are the runners though we have a collective knowledge hopefully that should cover all the players and if we don't well make a point of finding out about them and not make decisions just on household names.

We haven't tried out the current Results/Transfer systems yet, so why do we need to go into hasty decisions that they aren't going to be good for the league. Give it a chance. Like I said, if ain't broke don't fix it.

Banging head and brick wall spring to mind.

Not part of this league but number 4 was my idea a while back in euro div...

Love it as an idea, same with number 3!

Before I get too much in to this, is this going ahead because it feels like it's breaking down before it's even started?

Yes it is Viper, foreigns commence tomorrow  

Ok cool, before I make an ass of myself...I assume foreigns are just players not in the clubs involved...I assume we can't sign Cantona or Best like bringing in Flair or Andre the Giant in WWA

Lol no Pele won't be much use for you now. It's very much the here and now for players and Id advise to think of current form over their career as a whole.

Hero,

With regards to your earlier post on thoughts for the league, i like all of the ideas that i have seen and im open to all of them. I would like ask if you have considered having sponsors, perhaps you get offered a sponsorship at the start of the season and depending on performances after a set amount of games you either keep or lose it like at segmented times during the season. Just some thoughts i had thats all.

This could allow a constant flow of cash, a certain amount each segment of the season from your sponsor if they decide to keep you on.

Hi Miky, cheers for the suggestion. I'm a fan of sponsors in leagues as it not only provides a cash flow but also more of an investment and ownership to the manager to their team. My one issue though currently is that I personally feel the league is too cash rich already, the funds given out were excessive for what's deemed a realistic league where transfers in should be justified.
If too much cash enters the league it simply becomes devalued and worthless so were open to ideas on how to move that forward.

You are welcome mate, thanks for the reply.

Thats fair enough and i understand. Perhaps for a later stage a season or 2 in the money situation may be different and then it could be something that can be introduced perhaps?

What's everyone else's views on the current cash in the league and what everyone thinks is a reasonable amount of income in a given week?

Zeb Coulter has told me he is furious about the amount of players playing in this league illegally

Hero

All your ideas are great. I reckon someone else came up with them.

If you need another independent results man, just ask

Lubo xx

I don't think CBK wants you in the league Lubo?

Hero said I could be involved though  

If a manager slot comes free you can join up Lubo, if we get another person to take on a team prior to foreigns commencing tomorrow we can increase the league by two (Cardiff and Hull)

Just so everyone's aware as to the panel so it's not a faceless automaton making decisions etc, it's Trebs, Nando, Olly, Gregers and myself which I hope you agree is a decent spectrum of knowledge and guys that work along.

Me and Lubo could join to add two more teams?

Sounds fine to me  

I don't care what team I am. It's late. Just give me whoever and I'll set it up tomorrow night.

Do I take a lower prem team

Yes, which you thinking of?

First, are valuations for releases off transfermarkt

Yes, half the price on there.

Are Southampton an option?

No too good sorry, Cardiff is available thiugh

Lubo Sad

I'll take Palace if they're available

Yes no probs there!

Just as a guide, the transfer that YI has put in is just as we'd like to see them, detailed reasoning and clear (not to say he'll get him though! )

Okay, I'll get a page up soon but I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing. Lol

Trebs I presume will want Cardiff, please do not put in transfer bids for Cardiff players.

This is outrageous! Hero, stop taking command over everything now! No one has the faintest idea what the hell is going on and everything is being put to a stand still with it! I don't actually know what the hell I'm meant to be doing on this league if isn't even up to me and I was made runner of the league by everyone in the first place!

Listen to me,

Foreign's will have to be pushed back until 10 sorry guys, I need to get this cleared up and quickly!

1) I'm not having Lubo in the league, I don't care what argument you come up with, he is not in the league. I don;t care what argument there is, if we want to add 2 more teams, it's me and Trebs, not Lubo, as simple as that.
2) I'm willing to run Transfers, but, if anyone like Trebs or someone like that is interested in helping out with Transfers/Results with me as our 'panel' then that's fine by me, I'm happy enough to do that.

Leffy, I don't want to bring arguments across the river so here I want a fresh start.

I'm fine working with you here, it is, after all, a game

I'm not fussed what you did over on the other site. I'm not have you ruin it again like you did over on my other league. I know it sounds harsh, but, I'm afraid for the purposes of JA I seriously can't have you in the league, it's just not going to work.

I'm here to try out a new format not to ruin this league.

Let me have a go at it, leffy, let's try to put our differences behind us

Also Hero, what should I do regarding Cameron Jerome and Jason Puncheon, should they stay for the first season then leave?

EVERYONE STOP

I'M IN CHARGE OF THIS LEAGUE NOW

Right listen, I've got no clue where we are at here, so my suggestion is we gather up what we can and we've got to start fresh because it seems I've gone into the league with a seperate mentality to Hero and I've had no idea how this had worked in the past and I thought it was like any other league.

It seems we've got to start over if we are going to get anywhere because I've got no clue what the hell is going on here, put it on hold and create a seperate thread someone where the Results Panel (whoever that may be), Transfer Panel (whoever that may be) and then the League Runners in general (Me + 1/2 others) will discuss and we will discuss the plans.

Does that sound fair?

No way Lubo, I made the mistake once, not twice.

I'll just ask Hero about it  

PIPE DOWN BABY, THIS IS MY SHOW NOW

Ask Hero. No one ever put Hero in command of the league, at this stage NO ONE (but sodhat) is in command of this league, ask Hero, your not coming in the league, simple as.