Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

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Swansea 3-2 Stoke

What has happened to Stoke's defence

[HM Murdock]

all to do with money. when a player scores the camera zooms in on him and the teams sponsorship on his shirt is shown to the camera. If the player takes off his top the spnsorship logo is hidden.

Hadn't thought of that, good point.

If the will is there, they enforce a rule. It eludes me why they don't want to enforce the rule against swearing at referees.

[mystiroakey]

HM because it happens in all sports, when people get tense they swear- i would think many ref's swear at players as well.



the crowd swear for 90 mins, the managers swear at the refs and the players.

And i have no idea why anyone is singling out rooney for this

[Stella]

Calling the ref a t.at may get a yellow, and rightly so, but there's nothing wrong with general swearing, when in the heat of a game. So..........no microphones please.

[Champagne_Socialist]

all to do with money. when a player scores the camera zooms in on him and the teams sponsorship on his shirt is shown to the camera. If the player takes off his top the spnsorship logo is hidden.

Hadn't thought of that, good point.

If the will is there, they enforce a rule. It eludes me why they don't want to enforce the rule against swearing at referees.

[Mat]

Long is as Irish as they come, just listen to him talk! Played really well last night, best game he's had in ages.

Disappointed in the end last night. If Sess had scored that chance in the first half, it was game over. Still, we're playing well at the moment, just need to put our chances away and maybe even get a refereeing decision or two go our way.

[TopHat24/7]

I love the idea of an instant yellow card for swearing at the ref, like gets given in rugby. It would be carnage for a few weeks but the players would soon get used to it. I mean come on, [b]they rigidly enforce yellow cards for taking a shirt off, [/b]but insulting a match official gets tolerated?

I also think that anyone who says "to be fair" in an interview should get a three match ban.

all to do with money. when a player scores the camera zooms in on him and the teams sponsorship on his shirt is shown to the camera. If the player takes off his top the spnsorship logo is hidden.

Exactly. Same as when there was a greater fine for City coming out the tunnel 2 mins late after half time (interfering with ad revenues) than there was for Lisbon (from memory) fans' racist chanting (not that I want to bring that debate up again).

Money talks.

[socal1976]

Have to say that was wonderful match last night, which was a better goal Long's first goal or Villa's second? They were both remarkable goals.

[mystiroakey]

Most refs do enforce that rule- but its up to them isnt it. The better the ref the less he will card players for the out naughty word against them

[socal1976]

Most refs do enforce that rule- but its up to them isnt it. The better the ref the less he will card players for the out naughty word against them

Not me as a fan I find the X-rated lip reading off putting and frankly makes the game and its players look bad. It should be a straight yellow. NBA and NFL football are intense and fast paced games with quite a bit of banter between officials and players but they would toss a guy faster than lickity split if he kept telling the officials to F--off, I know you guys like your cursing but one or two yellows and ejections and it will just stop. But I mean it is probably good they don't pass that rule because even then they would punish every other team and let Rooney get away with murder.

[Guest]

I'm sure Brian Clough used to discipline and fine his players for swearing at officials. And rightly so.

I remember Roger Milford (former ref) once said that whilst at Forest Roy Keane wouldn't say boo to a goose. That soon changed the moment he joined Utd.

[socal1976]

I'm sure Brian Clough used to discipline and fine his players for swearing at officials. And rightly so.

I remember Roger Milford (former ref) once said that whilst at Forest Roy Keane wouldn't say boo to a goose. That soon changed the moment he joined Utd.

Yep, it seems that domestically playing at United gives you a certain license to be a priick and abuse others without much bad publicity from the press or without getting tossed and having it impact your team, which is the only way to stop this behavior. I mean I am not a Liverpool fan but if Suarez did this the press and officials would set themselves on fire.

[HM Murdock]

Aside from the general rudeness of it, I don't like the example that swearing at refs sets.

When kids/amateurs see the pros do it, and get away with it, it tells them that it is OK.

But the refs they do it to are not paid professionals. They are people who are doing it to help out because they enjoy the game.

It's not much fun being abused and threatened, so fewer people will want to be refs. This not only affects amateur football, it means the pool of people trying to through to the top level shrinks, and you get worse referees at the top as a result.

[mystiroakey]

Most refs do enforce that rule- but its up to them isnt it. The better the ref the less he will card players for the out naughty word against them

Not me as a fan I find the X-rated lip reading off putting and frankly makes the game and its players look bad. It should be a straight yellow. NBA and NFL football are intense and fast paced games with quite a bit of banter between officials and players but they would toss a guy faster than lickity split if he kept telling the officials to F--off, I know you guys like your cursing but one or two yellows and ejections and it will just stop. But I mean it is probably good they don't pass that rule because even then they would punish every other team and let Rooney get away with murder.

you have misunderstood rooney.

He isn't the worst offender and is one of many.

secondly rarely will you find players swearing at refs- they may swear in front of refs but its very rare actually calling refs swear words

[Ent]

Aside from the general rudeness of it, I don't like the example that swearing at refs sets.

When kids/amateurs see the pros do it, and get away with it, it tells them that it is OK.

Parents job to stop that, footballers get blamed for a lot when it is football that reflects society and not the other way round.

[HM Murdock]

Aside from the general rudeness of it, I don't like the example that swearing at refs sets.

When kids/amateurs see the pros do it, and get away with it, it tells them that it is OK.

Parents job to stop that, footballers get blamed for a lot when it is football that reflects society and not the other way round.

Why does only football "reflect society"? Abusing match officials is not tolerated in rugby, tennis, cricket, basketball etc. Do competitors in these sports not exist in society? Why can they control themselves?

I do agree about parents having responsibility.

But it seems odd to me that football authorities will take on something as big as racism but not bother with a much easier target of abusing officials.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Pilkington out for 6 weeks
Snodgrass and Bennett out for a few more weeks
Tettey till the new year
RVW maybe back for the Swansea game in a few weeks.

Ah sh!t

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Oh god, now a swearing debate? Bunch of pillocks, swearing is part of the language anyway, I don't think there is a better word for some situation than the F word, and now footballers who may naturally swear when angered, will be booked for their language?

Youve lost touch with the world.

[The Fourth Lion]

There is an old story going back to the 60's, when George Best is alleged to have strolled casually up to a referee during a stoppage in play and asked the ref what he would do if he (Best) called him a f***ing P**ck". The referee replied that he would send Best off for foul and abusive language.

Best then asked what would happen if he only thought it. The ref replied that there was nothing he could do about what Best might be thinking.

Best seemed to consider this for a moment and then said "Well, I've always thought you're a f***ing p**ck, anyway." and jogged off back to his position.

No action was taken.

This story may be apocryphal, but it kinda fits Bestie like a glove and as far as I know, he never went so far as to actually deny it.

[Ent]

Football reflects society I.e. People swear, footballers swear - they didn't invent the words and distribute them to others.

[socal1976]

Football reflects society I.e. People swear, footballers swear - they didn't invent the words and distribute them to others.

Why is this type of cursing at the official not tolerated in other sports? Do basketball players and baseball players come from Mars? What does all this have to do with players who make millions failing to act professional. I am sorry this in my mind is a weak excuse. There is nothing that prevents the authorities from policing this except the will. And there is no giant social problem that needs to be addressed to fix it. Send a wayne rooney off for running his mouth once or twice and it will disappear overnight.

[HM Murdock]

Oh god, now a swearing debate? Bunch of pillocks, swearing is part of the language anyway, I don't think there is a better word for some situation than the F word, and now footballers who may naturally swear when angered, will be booked for their language?

Youve lost touch with the world.

You've lost touch with the argument.

It's nothing to do with swearing, it's to do with abusing officials. There's a world of difference between a player swearing in frustration because he's given the ball away and and telling a referee to "f**k off".

In the workplace, if you tell your boss to "f*** off", it wouldn't be tolerated. Same if a student says it to a teacher, if a customer says it to someone in shop. And that's before we even get to the rugby pitch, the cricket pitch or the basketball court.

Football reflects society I.e. People swear, footballers swear - they didn't invent the words and distribute them to others.

People also use racist language and try to cheat. Shall we let footballers do that too?

[mystiroakey]

Its pretty rare that footballs actually swear at the refs though HM.

I think you are exaggerating the situation.

Many players may say " f that" or something on those lines in front of a ref rather than telling him to "f off"

and the normal punishment for the later behaviour is a card

[TopHat24/7]

Most refs do enforce that rule- but its up to them isnt it. The better the ref the less he will card players for the out naughty word against them

Not me as a fan I find the X-rated lip reading off putting and frankly makes the game and its players look bad. It should be a straight yellow. NBA and NFL football are intense and fast paced games with quite a bit of banter between officials and players but they would toss a guy faster than lickity split if he kept telling the officials to F--off, I know you guys like your cursing but one or two yellows and ejections and it will just stop. But I mean it is probably good they don't pass that rule because even then they would punish every other team and let Rooney get away with murder.

What a complete numpty you are it's 'fans' like you that turn people off the sport. Can never have a reasoned debate without some tool chiming in with a load of totally skewed fallacious wives-tale BS.

[HM Murdock]

mystiroakey -  I do take the point that it's a minority of times that players swear directly at the ref as opposed to just a general curse.

But it's not infrequently that it happens and I genuinely can't think of an occasion when a player has been punished for it.

The authorities cared enough to launch that 'Respect' campaign but not enough to actually enforce it! It just strikes me as odd because it would be such an easy thing to stamp out.

[hampo17]

mystiroakey -  I do take the point that it's a minority of times that players swear directly at the ref as opposed to just a general curse.

But it's not infrequently that it happens and I genuinely can't think of an occasion when a player has been punished for it.

The authorities cared enough to launch that 'Respect' campaign but not enough to actually enforce it! It just strikes me as odd because it would be such an easy thing to stamp out.

The only time I can remember a player being sent off is when I was a season ticket holder at Wrexham. Craig Falconbridge was playing upfront for us and didn't agree with a linesman offside call, he stormed over to him and directly in front of where I was sitting, about 5 yards in front of me in fact, he called the linesman a "flipping flipper, and a flooping flooper".

Strange words added due it being unrepeatable on this forum.

[Guest]

Now you've finished discussing that, just read in the DM that Chelsea n United are battling it out for £25m rated Seville left back, Alberto Moreno.

Firstly DM  

Secondly, this is the same left back that got absolutely annihilated by Bale a few weeks back in that 7-2 thrashing n then I'm sure he started crying. Maybe that was another left back, ruined by Bale over there but anyway.

[Fernando]

That was against Rayo Vallecano John not Sevilla

[socal1976]

Oh god, now a swearing debate? Bunch of pillocks, swearing is part of the language anyway, I don't think there is a better word for some situation than the F word, and now footballers who may naturally swear when angered, will be booked for their language?

Youve lost touch with the world.

You've lost touch with the argument.

It's nothing to do with swearing, it's to do with abusing officials. There's a world of difference between a player swearing in frustration because he's given the ball away and and telling a referee to "f**k off".

In the workplace, if you tell your boss to "f*** off", it wouldn't be tolerated. Same if a student says it to a teacher, if a customer says it to someone in shop. And that's before we even get to the rugby pitch, the cricket pitch or the basketball court.

Football reflects society I.e. People swear, footballers swear - they didn't invent the words and distribute them to others.

People also use racist language and try to cheat. Shall we let footballers do that too?

Totally agree, there are plenty of types of speech that are banned because of the context or the content. You can't use racist language or threats and banning profanity in football directed at the officials will serve the same purpose; improve the image of the game and prevent further confrontation. Footballers are given a great deal of money and respect through the game, asking a minimal of civil behavior from these people is the least they can do.

[socal1976]

Most refs do enforce that rule- but its up to them isnt it. The better the ref the less he will card players for the out naughty word against them

Not me as a fan I find the X-rated lip reading off putting and frankly makes the game and its players look bad. It should be a straight yellow. NBA and NFL football are intense and fast paced games with quite a bit of banter between officials and players but they would toss a guy faster than lickity split if he kept telling the officials to F--off, I know you guys like your cursing but one or two yellows and ejections and it will just stop. But I mean it is probably good they don't pass that rule because even then they would punish every other team and let Rooney get away with murder.

What a complete numpty you are :roll:it's 'fans' like you that turn people off the sport and never have a reasoned debate without some tool chiming in with a load of totally skewed fallacious wives-tale BS.

What a silly statement, you have no defense for Rooney's actions other than it is not the players' fault but society's fault and that the red card did not impact the result of the match, who exactly is putting forward wives tales and enabling this brat's distasteful conduct. I mean my opinions can really take away your love of the game than you are not much a fan to begin with.

mystiroakey- Rooney and others yell and clear enunciate both the "f##k" part and the "off" part directed at the officials it happens every match, and with Rooney almost on every whistle. In fact in that Cardiff match the refs blew a corner kick that went off the defeder and the Cardiff winger clearly told the linesman to fck off. So it is not about just Rooney and it is not rare in the least. It is a black eye for the game and could be cleaned up over night. Eject Rooney in back to back games and make him lose 2 or matches worth of salary and cost his team a couple of results and it will disappear overnight.

[TopHat24/7]

Most refs do enforce that rule- but its up to them isnt it. The better the ref the less he will card players for the out naughty word against them

Not me as a fan I find the X-rated lip reading off putting and frankly makes the game and its players look bad. It should be a straight yellow. NBA and NFL football are intense and fast paced games with quite a bit of banter between officials and players but they would toss a guy faster than lickity split if he kept telling the officials to F--off, I know you guys like your cursing but one or two yellows and ejections and it will just stop. But I mean it is probably good they don't pass that rule because even then they would punish every other team and let Rooney get away with murder.

What a complete numpty you are :roll:it's 'fans' like you that turn people off the sport and never have a reasoned debate without some tool chiming in with a load of totally skewed fallacious wives-tale BS.

What a silly statement, you have no defense for Rooney's actions other than it is not the players' fault but society's fault and that the red card did not impact the result of the match, who exactly is putting forward wives tales and enabling this brat's distasteful conduct. I mean my opinions can really take away your love of the game than you are not much a fan to begin with.

You can't back up anything you say, it's pathetic fantasy and make believe. The only good that comes from your opinions is that they perfectly support the conclusions of the 'hate united' thread.

[socal1976]

What backup is that the ignored redcard to the man of the match in the tenth minute, who had a hand in both goals impacted the result in a favorable way for United please tell me what backup is required for saying that water is wet. Not only that but having Rooney in the next game is obviously an advantage and an unfair one next week as well. You know what Rooney did was wrong, you know he is a foul mouthed disgrace and yet you defend this conduct simply because you are United Fan. If anyone is suffering from a lack of objectivity and bias it is you my friend.

[TopHat24/7]

What you can't back up is that Rooney is some kind of special or exceptional case.

Football is full of premier league knobheads. Lots of people guilty of lots of revolting things, and lots and lots of swearing.

But you've got a bee in your bonnet (or up your backside more likely) about Rooney & United and it's driven to blind ignorance all over petty bitter jealousy.

[socal1976]

What you can't back up is that Rooney is some kind of special or exceptional case.

Football is full of premier league knobheads.  Lots of people guilty of lots of revolting things, and lots and lots of swearing.

But you've got a bee in your bonnet (or up your backside more likely) about Rooney & United and it's driven to blind ignorance all over petty bitter jealousy.

Lets be accurate with what I have said, in my last post I mentioned that the winger for Cardiff, dreadlocked fellow, did the same thing by telling the official to "F--- off". This is not just about Rooney. However Rooney is one of if not the worst offender, and because of who he is and what he has done recently he is rightly the focus of the criticism. The guy got away with an obvious redcard that ended up being a huge assistance to United in the standings this week and maybe next week the way they have been playing. If someone else acted the way Rooney did and got away with it I would say the same thing. I post infrequently on the football site, although more recently, have you ever in my other posts ever heard me say anything about either Rooney or United? The reason I am beating him up his because he made an unapologetic public arsee hole of himself just two days ago.

[Guest]

That was against Rayo Vallecano John not Sevilla

I knew it was one or the other. That Seville defender didn't know what hit him that game though n that was Bale like 75% fit. £25m....must be joking. As for the other one crying, that was hilarious!

Think Coentrao would be a better option for the EPL, either Spurs so Vertonghan can go centre back or to United.

[westisbest]

Have to say that was wonderful match last night, which was a better goal Long's first goal or Villa's second? They were both remarkable goals.

Would go with Long's first.
Good touch to bring it down, cracking left foot shot.

Westwood's was a great strike.
Thats what we need, midfield scoring more goals.

[socal1976]

Have to say that was wonderful match last night, which was a better goal Long's first goal or Villa's second? They were both remarkable goals.

Would go with Long's first.
Good touch to bring it down, cracking left foot shot.

Westwood's was a great strike.
Thats what we need, midfield scoring more goals.

Yeah I have to give it to Long as well, the first touch to kill it like that and beat the defender at the same time was really beautiful. The second from Westwood was hit so perfectly that no goalie could have stopped it either and from such range.

[It Must Be Love]

socal, you can't blame Rooney for this, it's ridiculous.

After the USO 2009 final, and the guilty player being congratulated with a sportsmanship prize at the end of the year, swearing at the umpire or official is basically now being encouraged on a vast scale.

[socal1976]

LoL! Starlight not many will know what we are talking about but very funny. Still this is not some societal problem. The issue is that a certain culture of thuggish behavior is tolerated in football and I find it a turn off and I think the majority of fans watching that Rooney play along with his conduct on virtually every foul call makes him seem highly unpleasant and annoying.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/norwichs-luciano-becchio-mystified-chris-2858715?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Were all a bit mystified luciano

[mystiroakey]

You will need more than that to get past us at the weekend mate..

Start praying

[westisbest]

Palace away win.

They're on the up. First away win of the season last saturday , new manager.

Even Bannan scored.

Yep 2-1 Palace for me.

[Ent]

Oh god, now a swearing debate? Bunch of pillocks, swearing is part of the language anyway, I don't think there is a better word for some situation than the F word, and now footballers who may naturally swear when angered, will be booked for their language?

Youve lost touch with the world.

You've lost touch with the argument.

It's nothing to do with swearing, it's to do with abusing officials. There's a world of difference between a player swearing in frustration because he's given the ball away and and telling a referee to "f**k off".

In the workplace, if you tell your boss to "f*** off", it wouldn't be tolerated. Same if a student says it to a teacher, if a customer says it to someone in shop. And that's before we even get to the rugby pitch, the cricket pitch or the basketball court.

Football reflects society I.e. People swear, footballers swear - they didn't invent the words and distribute them to others.

People also use racist language and try to cheat. Shall we let footballers do that too?

Racism isn't tolerated though, swearing is deemed unsavoury but is a cultural norm here.

I know I for one would be caught swearing if I was filmed every day at work.

I don't see why people hold footballers up as pillars of society. They are entertainers and shouldn't be blamed for society's woes.

[mystiroakey]

Aye,

I am going for a 1-0 palace.

I am in two minds about the manager though. Our assistant did so well in all 3 games tbf. I would have been happy not to have signed a new manager just yet!

[socal1976]

Oh god, now a swearing debate? Bunch of pillocks, swearing is part of the language anyway, I don't think there is a better word for some situation than the F word, and now footballers who may naturally swear when angered, will be booked for their language?

Youve lost touch with the world.

You've lost touch with the argument.

It's nothing to do with swearing, it's to do with abusing officials. There's a world of difference between a player swearing in frustration because he's given the ball away and and telling a referee to "f**k off".

In the workplace, if you tell your boss to "f*** off", it wouldn't be tolerated. Same if a student says it to a teacher, if a customer says it to someone in shop. And that's before we even get to the rugby pitch, the cricket pitch or the basketball court.

Football reflects society I.e. People swear, footballers swear - they didn't invent the words and distribute them to others.

People also use racist language and try to cheat. Shall we let footballers do that too?

Racism isn't tolerated though, swearing is deemed unsavoury but is a cultural norm here.

I know I for one would be caught swearing if I was filmed every day at work.

I don't see why people hold footballers up as pillars of society. They are entertainers and shouldn't be blamed for society's woes.

Do you unleash profanity filled tirades at your co-workers whenever someone rightly points out one of your mistakes? Do you work for the mafia?

[NickisBHAFC]

I want to see Norwich smash palace. But i must admit for the first time this season i can actually see Palace winning this game.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

We'll beat palace and if we don't hughton will get sacked. Win win situation

[mystiroakey]

You will be Glad all over

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Palace will win midweek instead

[NickisBHAFC]

Tbf up to Chelsea away, Palace have some winnable games. If they can avoid defeat in all of them, they can certainly give themselves hope.

[Ent]

Oh god, now a swearing debate? Bunch of pillocks, swearing is part of the language anyway, I don't think there is a better word for some situation than the F word, and now footballers who may naturally swear when angered, will be booked for their language?

Youve lost touch with the world.

You've lost touch with the argument.

It's nothing to do with swearing, it's to do with abusing officials. There's a world of difference between a player swearing in frustration because he's given the ball away and and telling a referee to "f**k off".

In the workplace, if you tell your boss to "f*** off", it wouldn't be tolerated. Same if a student says it to a teacher, if a customer says it to someone in shop. And that's before we even get to the rugby pitch, the cricket pitch or the basketball court.

Football reflects society I.e. People swear, footballers swear - they didn't invent the words and distribute them to others.

People also use racist language and try to cheat. Shall we let footballers do that too?

Racism isn't tolerated though, swearing is deemed unsavoury but is a cultural norm here.

I know I for one would be caught swearing if I was filmed every day at work.

I don't see why people hold footballers up as pillars of society. They are entertainers and shouldn't be blamed for society's woes.

Do you unleash profanity filled tirades at your co-workers whenever someone rightly points out one of your mistakes? Do you work for the mafia?

No, don't see the relevance either.

People swear, get over it.

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