Wales team to face Australia

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I don't think anyone put their hands up today except Hook and O Williams
Several were dismal and if i see L Williams on the bench i will be very disappointed. Glad Charteris has gone back as he is off form.


Gethin
Hibbard - player of the autumn for me
Rhodri Jones
AWJ
Ryan Jones - I think Evans will be picked but I think Ryan offers more in the loose and was one of few players who looked like he wanted to play today
Lydiate - needs to up his game as he has been quiet this autumn
Warburton - personally would like to see Tips start and Warbs at 6 but expect tho selection
Faletau - has had a fine autumn
Philipps - superb last week, could be his opportunity to get a club!
Biggar - for his kicking game and is less prone to getting isolated and turned over, i may have picked hook if available as i thought he was good today
North - A quiet autumn and ordinary v Tonga. Time to step up
S Williams - excellent footballer, his big opportunity and I am looking forward to him staking a real claim
O Williams - only real bonus from the Tonga game, looked solid
L Williams - is he fit…who else is there.
Halfpenny - involved in both tries, expect the POTY finalist to have a huge game

Owens
Lee
A Prop
Coombes - in reality i think tho swill be Ryan as i expect Gats to select Evans
Tipuric pref for him to start
R Williams
Priestland - I would def pick Hook if available
Beck - barely but who else is there

Congrats Linebreaker. Tipsy turvy year for you guys but at least you end on a high.

Weird reffing there.

I'm in the stadium now. We were gash.

Oz were very good. Cooper excellent.

No complaints.

My initial controlled reaction, obviously trying to avoid a knee jerk

Sack howley
Sack Edwards
Drop Warburton
Cancel Warren's gong
Give it to George north

If the Wallabies had handled the ball better, it would have been 40-something points to 23 early in the 2nd half... and not a score in it as it was in the end. At least 3, possible 4 bombed tries by the Wallabies. Nearly shot ourselves in the foot again. They should have gone on with it and posted 50.

Sexton is the clear difference Lions vs Wales. everything else is irrelevant. top 1 or 2 FH in a welsh side would make a massive difference. decision-making and execution against SH, wales just dont have a 10 who can make the best of their potential

LOL- QC did win MoM! even with a yellow card

Proud of Quade Cooper, that guy is class and has turned his life around well done to him….point of order though, is he allowed to collect MOM whilst on a yellow

Best team won no complaints from any fair Welsh fan.
Though the Welsh boys gave it everything on the field so we can't be to harsh on them.

I do think the Welsh players need to learn some humility though, weve talked ourselves up against South Africa and Australia and lost both. Time to reassess our ability and be a bit more realistic.

Great win Oz, hard lines Wales.

As an Englishman I have to say if Oz had brought their game to Twickenham it might have been a different result.

England need to wake up from this Lancastrian deep freeze and understand we have to start playing international 15 man rugby - which isn't necessarily player but definitely nous, skill, strategy dependent.

Linebreaker wrote:If the Wallabies had handled the ball better, it would have been 40-something points to 23 early in the 2nd half... and not a score in it as it was in the end. At least 3, possible 4 bombed tries by the Wallabies. Nearly shot ourselves in the foot again. They should have gone on with it and posted 50.

Agree with that LB, but well done to your team, they are definitely getting back, next yesr the RC is going to be the mostest awesomest tournament.

Quade Cooper must play rugby in the Matrix or something - he just seems to be able to see and do things nobody else can.

What a player.

anyway, i'm off out to dinner. tough match wales, but seriously, Australia were awesome - that is their performance of the year no doubt. Wales did themselves no favours pre-match by trying to make themselves favourites in their own dressing room, but i think every team, including NZ, would have found Australia a massive handful first 65 minutes.

QC - 2014 IRB POTY?

quinsforever wrote:Sexton is the clear difference Lions vs Wales. everything else is irrelevant. top 1 or 2 FH in a welsh side would make a massive difference. decision-making and execution against SH, wales just dont have a 10 who can make the best of their potential

i agree ref our 10 but i don't think it was just Sexto, the Lions pack rampaged and Wales just didn't batter anyone

Cooper…..balletic, Inverdale you knobber

Scratch wrote:Proud of Quade Cooper, that guy is class and has turned his life around well done to him….point of order though, is he allowed to collect MOM whilst on a yellow

he has to wait 4 minutes before he step up to collect the shampers  

Biltong wrote:

Hood83 wrote:Wales/Gatlan just do not know how to beat Oz. I do think that playing the Boks, who seem a slightly better version of Wales, so regularly actually helps them play against more physical teams who like to bosh. Not a criticism of Wales, I still think you're better than my team, but I've thought for a while Gatland et al need to look at a less one dimensional game.

Boks a slightly better version of Wales?

Sorry, that's probably not that accurate a comment with the game you seem to be playing now, i think players like Le Roux look for space first, contact second. Perhaps the Boks of a few years back, either way Oz knows how to deal with very hard, straight running.

And another game lost for Wales against Australia.

I thought at one time Aus was going to run away with it. But when Wales came back to get with in 4 points, i thought this could be the day Wales finaly win against Australia.

But No, Wales just do not seem to have the killing blow against them, Australia that is.

You would have thought in the last 5/6 minutes when Quade Cooper got a sin bin, they would have made the numbers count.

Why,oh why, did Priestland kick the last ball away?

Biltong wrote:

Linebreaker wrote:If the Wallabies had handled the ball better, it would have been 40-something points to 23 early in the 2nd half... and not a score in it as it was in the end. At least 3, possible 4 bombed tries by the Wallabies. Nearly shot ourselves in the foot again. They should have gone on with it and posted 50.

Agree with that LB, but well done to your team, they are definitely getting back, next year the RC is going to be the mostest awesomest tournament.

Yeah, the mostest awesomemest tournament.
I think it will be 2 of the Big 3 in the Final.  

  this could be the beginning of something beautiful scratch  

Scratch wrote:Cooper…..balletic, Inverdale you knobber

If you're feeling down just think at least you didn't put £30,000 on Wales to win today..!

MacKenzie has done a tremendous job with the Aussie tight five. On paper the weakest of the top seven or eight nations, but they have fronted up extremely well on this tour. They turned Ireland and Wales over. Australia really should have beaten England as well. It just shows that the northern hemisphere is well behind our southern counterparts, and there is a wafer thin difference between Wales, England and Ireland.

Linebreaker wrote:

Biltong wrote:

Linebreaker wrote:If the Wallabies had handled the ball better, it would have been 40-something points to 23 early in the 2nd half... and not a score in it as it was in the end. At least 3, possible 4 bombed tries by the Wallabies. Nearly shot ourselves in the foot again. They should have gone on with it and posted 50.

Agree with that LB, but well done to your team, they are definitely getting back, next year the RC is going to be the mostest awesomest tournament.

Yeah, the mostest awesomemest tournament.
I think it will be 2 of the Big 3 in the Final.  

Why not all three?

We can create a threeway pitch.  

HammerofThunor wrote:Congrats Linebreaker. Tipsy turvy year for you guys but at least you end on a high.

Cheers Hammer!  

We just didn't compete at the break downs in the first half. When Tips came on it made a huge difference. When England played Aus they sealed off the breakdown and won. Same goes for the Irish and the English against the All Blacks, they smashe the breakdown and should have won. EVERY TIME we attacked Aus would get all over the ball, and everytime they attacked they got clean quick ball. That was the entire difference. Lydiate did nothing, and Warburton was schooled by Hooper.

slartibartfast wrote:Weird reffing there.

excellent handle. love douglas adams  

Wayne Barnes said...

"I can't hear you so I am going to award the try".

After touch judge said "it looks forward, check the TMO, if you want..?"

quinsforever wrote:  this could be the beginning of something beautiful scratch  

Scratch wrote:Cooper…..balletic, Inverdale you knobber

my gusset runneth over, see you behind the bike sheds

Same old, same old then for Wales. Still not breaking into the top tier of rugby after another disappointing autumn.

Some things just shouldn't happen. One of those being that Wales were hanging on for large periods of the game - that's not on when Wales are, at the very least, the equal of Australia on paper and with home advantage.

Disappointing from Wales.

Australia were good though, particularly in the backs led by Quade Cooper.

maestegmafia wrote:Wayne Barnes said...

"I can't hear you so I am going to award the try".

After touch judge said "it looks forward, check the TMO, if you want..?"

No he didn't. Barnes said something along the lines of " it looks clear to me that there's no forward pass so I will award the try."

Good decision as well.

maestegmafia wrote:Wayne Barnes said...

"I can't hear you so I am going to award the try".

After touch judge said "it looks forward, check the TMO, if you want..?"

so what?

we were beaten by the better side…..not by the ref

No complaints from this welsh fan - we showed virtually nothing going forward - the speed of the Oz ball compared to ours was embarrasing. Time for Gatland to realise we can't beat SH opposition with this gameplan. They were by far the better team - we really were gash

maestegmafia wrote:Wayne Barnes said...

"I can't hear you so I am going to award the try".

After touch judge said "it looks forward, check the TMO, if you want..?"

the pass was fine.

Spot on Duty, they should be disgusted with themselves, that sort of performance at home. North was outstanding though, he was the only real positive.

Biltong wrote:

Linebreaker wrote:

Biltong wrote:

Linebreaker wrote:If the Wallabies had handled the ball better, it would have been 40-something points to 23 early in the 2nd half... and not a score in it as it was in the end. At least 3, possible 4 bombed tries by the Wallabies. Nearly shot ourselves in the foot again. They should have gone on with it and posted 50.

Agree with that LB, but well done to your team, they are definitely getting back, next year the RC is going to be the mostest awesomest tournament.

Yeah, the mostest awesomemest tournament.
I think it will be 2 of the Big 3 in the Final.  

Why not all three?

We can create a threeway pitch.  

though you wrote threeway "pouch"   for a moment there. Now that would be interesting.

!    !
L_________I

maestegmafia wrote:Wayne Barnes said...

"I can't hear you so I am going to award the try".

After touch judge said "it looks forward, check the TMO, if you want..?"

Suck it up Mae, your wales was beaten by the better team on the day, that's sport my friend  

Linebreaker wrote:

Biltong wrote:

Linebreaker wrote:

Biltong wrote:

Linebreaker wrote:If the Wallabies had handled the ball better, it would have been 40-something points to 23 early in the 2nd half... and not a score in it as it was in the end. At least 3, possible 4 bombed tries by the Wallabies. Nearly shot ourselves in the foot again. They should have gone on with it and posted 50.

Agree with that LB, but well done to your team, they are definitely getting back, next year the RC is going to be the mostest awesomest tournament.

Yeah, the mostest awesomemest tournament.
I think it will be 2 of the Big 3 in the Final.  

Why not all three?

We can create a threeway pitch.  

though you wrote threeway "pouch"   for a moment there. Now that would be interesting.

!    !
L_________I

So the SANZAR nations had a great tour collectively.

One loss and a couple of wins, eh?

And now the warriors from the south retire to their fortresses to rest and recuperate

Biltong wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:Wayne Barnes said...

"I can't hear you so I am going to award the try".

After touch judge said "it looks forward, check the TMO, if you want..?"

the pass was fine.

Pass was forward bill your wrong

An awful decision by the ref. such a travesty when inaptitude is the basis of the result.

A sad day for rugby

Bullsbok wrote:And now the warriors from the south retire to their  fortresses to rest and recuperate

It has been a testing Autumn pageant. The men must prepare for the early spring hunting season... whilst the women will be working furiously to create grassroots tribal-wear for the upcoming mid-winter feast.  

maestegmafia wrote:

Biltong wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:Wayne Barnes said...

"I can't hear you so I am going to award the try".

After touch judge said "it looks forward, check the TMO, if you want..?"

the pass was fine.

Pass was forward bill your wrong

 

maestegmafia wrote:

Biltong wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:Wayne Barnes said...

"I can't hear you so I am going to award the try".

After touch judge said "it looks forward, check the TMO, if you want..?"

the pass was fine.

Pass was forward bill your wrong

Maes, the measure of a forward pass is not tracking the trajectory of the ball, but the motion of the hands.

The hands did not go forward.

Ever pass that has ever been made has gone forward if measured using the ground, suck it up mae

Gents

Just agree to disagree, what's the point

Biltong wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:

Biltong wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:Wayne Barnes said...

"I can't hear you so I am going to award the try".

After touch judge said "it looks forward, check the TMO, if you want..?"

the pass was fine.

Pass was forward bill your wrong

Maes, the measure of a forward pass is not tracking the trajectory of the ball, but the motion of the hands.

The hands did not go forward.

BILL there was a blwdi 5m line below the pass. He was one side when he passed and the ball bounced a metre the other side before the lad picked it up and scored.

THAT IS A FORWARD PASS IN ANYONES BOOK.

maestegmafia wrote:

Biltong wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:

Biltong wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:Wayne Barnes said...

"I can't hear you so I am going to award the try".

After touch judge said "it looks forward, check the TMO, if you want..?"

the pass was fine.

Pass was forward bill your wrong

Maes, the measure of a forward pass is not tracking the trajectory of the ball, but the motion of the hands.

The hands did not go forward.

BILL there was a blwdi 5m line below the pass. He was one side when he passed and the ball bounced a metre the other side before the lad picked it up and scored.

THAT IS A FORWARD PASS IN ANYONES BOOK.

No, only in your book, either way I am not going to reason with you, for once admit your team lost to a better team, njot every loss can be explained away with a refereeing error.

Maes, you are wrong

It is not, if the ball had gone forward 100m and the hands were going backwards then the pass is not forward

When a player passes the momentum of the player is transferred from the player to the ball, as long as his hands are lateral or backwards facing when the ball leaves the hands, the ball can go as far forward as the player's momentum takes it

maestegmafia wrote:

Biltong wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:

Biltong wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:Wayne Barnes said...

"I can't hear you so I am going to award the try".

After touch judge said "it looks forward, check the TMO, if you want..?"

the pass was fine.

Pass was forward bill your wrong

Maes, the measure of a forward pass is not tracking the trajectory of the ball, but the motion of the hands.

The hands did not go forward.

BILL there was a blwdi 5m line below the pass. He was one side when he passed and the ball bounced a metre the other side before the lad picked it up and scored.

THAT IS A FORWARD PASS IN ANYONES BOOK.

Mae it was a fair pass and it was a great test match, don't spoil it!

Biltong wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:

Biltong wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:

Biltong wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:Wayne Barnes said...

"I can't hear you so I am going to award the try".

After touch judge said "it looks forward, check the TMO, if you want..?"

the pass was fine.

Pass was forward bill your wrong

Maes, the measure of a forward pass is not tracking the trajectory of the ball, but the motion of the hands.

The hands did not go forward.

BILL there was a blwdi 5m line below the pass. He was one side when he passed and the ball bounced a metre the other side before the lad picked it up and scored.

THAT IS A FORWARD PASS IN ANYONES BOOK.

No, only in your book, either way I am not going to reason with you, for once admit your team lost to a better team, njot every loss can be explained away with a refereeing error.

unless it's bryce lawrence      

Biltong wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:

Biltong wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:

Biltong wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:Wayne Barnes said...

"I can't hear you so I am going to award the try".

After touch judge said "it looks forward, check the TMO, if you want..?"

the pass was fine.

Pass was forward bill your wrong

Maes, the measure of a forward pass is not tracking the trajectory of the ball, but the motion of the hands.

The hands did not go forward.

BILL there was a blwdi 5m line below the pass. He was one side when he passed and the ball bounced a metre the other side before the lad picked it up and scored.

THAT IS A FORWARD PASS IN ANYONES BOOK.

No, only in your book, either way I am not going to reason with you, for once admit your team lost to a better team, njot every loss can be explained away with a refereeing error.

That loss was the result of an awfully inept refereeing error...

That pass was forward and the ref didn't wait for the TMO to make a very simple decision.

If games are won like that then the adjudication of the sport is unjust and needs correcting..

I am absolutely amazed you disagree...?