Wales team to face Australia

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I don't think anyone put their hands up today except Hook and O Williams
Several were dismal and if i see L Williams on the bench i will be very disappointed. Glad Charteris has gone back as he is off form.


Gethin
Hibbard - player of the autumn for me
Rhodri Jones
AWJ
Ryan Jones - I think Evans will be picked but I think Ryan offers more in the loose and was one of few players who looked like he wanted to play today
Lydiate - needs to up his game as he has been quiet this autumn
Warburton - personally would like to see Tips start and Warbs at 6 but expect tho selection
Faletau - has had a fine autumn
Philipps - superb last week, could be his opportunity to get a club!
Biggar - for his kicking game and is less prone to getting isolated and turned over, i may have picked hook if available as i thought he was good today
North - A quiet autumn and ordinary v Tonga. Time to step up
S Williams - excellent footballer, his big opportunity and I am looking forward to him staking a real claim
O Williams - only real bonus from the Tonga game, looked solid
L Williams - is he fit…who else is there.
Halfpenny - involved in both tries, expect the POTY finalist to have a huge game

Owens
Lee
A Prop
Coombes - in reality i think tho swill be Ryan as i expect Gats to select Evans
Tipuric pref for him to start
R Williams
Priestland - I would def pick Hook if available
Beck - barely but who else is there

A marginal forward pass was missed and its a 'sad day for rugby'? Jeez...

Even in this game maes tries to blame the Englishman

Scratch wrote:

Biltong wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:

Biltong wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:

Biltong wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:Wayne Barnes said...

"I can't hear you so I am going to award the try".

After touch judge said "it looks forward, check the TMO, if you want..?"

the pass was fine.

Pass was forward bill your wrong

Maes, the measure of a forward pass is not tracking the trajectory of the ball, but the motion of the hands.

The hands did not go forward.

BILL there was a blwdi 5m line below the pass. He was one side when he passed and the ball bounced a metre the other side before the lad picked it up and scored.

THAT IS A FORWARD PASS IN ANYONES BOOK.

No, only in your book, either way I am not going to reason with you, for once admit your team lost to a better team, njot every loss can be explained away with a refereeing error.

unless it's bryce lawrence      

Well, to be fair to Bryce he didn't pitch for the game that day.

glamorganalun wrote:Alyn,

If you don't agree with my post say why you disagree rather than a stupid comment about supporting the all blacks. Priestland has been poor the last two seasons and shows little or no confidence in my eyes. As I stated, if you read my post, I thought the Tonga performance was positve only one poor performance from the scrum half. There was another poor performance and he was the ref for killing the game.

I didn't say anything about you
Omg I'm being victimised by a meanie called Alun

maestegmafia wrote:

Biltong wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:

Biltong wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:

Biltong wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:Wayne Barnes said...

"I can't hear you so I am going to award the try".

After touch judge said "it looks forward, check the TMO, if you want..?"

the pass was fine.

Pass was forward bill your wrong

Maes, the measure of a forward pass is not tracking the trajectory of the ball, but the motion of the hands.

The hands did not go forward.

BILL there was a blwdi 5m line below the pass. He was one side when he passed and the ball bounced a metre the other side before the lad picked it up and scored.

THAT IS A FORWARD PASS IN ANYONES BOOK.

No, only in your book, either way I am not going to reason with you, for once admit your team lost to a better team, njot every loss can be explained away with a refereeing error.

That loss was the result of an awfully inept refereeing error...

That pass was forward and the ref didn't wait for the TMO to make a very simple decision.

If games are won like that then the adjudication of the sport is unjust and needs correcting..

I am absolutely amazed you disagree...?

 

Wales were resilient at best but the far better team won on the day & I'm sure even the most one eyed welsh supporters will reflect on the fact that there was a lot of difference in class out there today.

Australia were pacy and threatening almost every time they took it up in the line. They look to becoming a very good side again.

i just kicked my dog cos i am sure he said Cooper when he yawned.

maestegmafia wrote:[That loss was the result of an awfully inept refereeing error...

That pass was forward and the ref didn't wait for the TMO to make a very simple decision.

If games are won like that then the adjudication of the sport is unjust and needs correcting..

I am absolutely amazed you disagree...?

No worse than the Wales win against Ireland when we had that dodgy line out with the wrong ball thrown, or the Welsh loss in Italy when the ref told the players there was time for the line out then blew the whistle.

Shít happens Maesteg, bottom line is australia were better today but our lads gave their very best for us.  

Indiscipline was the reason we lost that match, silly penalties in our 22, yellow card was significant

Scratch wrote:  i just kicked my dog cos i am sure he said Cooper when he yawned.

GE is going to report you at the SPCA.  

Theres no point arguing the pass because if we do it will just turn into a boobie for tat thread. Besides Wayne Barnes is famous for letting the odd forward pass in anyway . btw i think it wasnt a forward pass.

Scratch wrote:  i just kicked my dog cos i am sure he said Cooper when he yawned.

Well done now give the little sod a yellow card and 10 minutes outside in the cold, but also a bottle of wine because he was bloody awesome today. Then ask if he has a Welsh granny.  

Shifty wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:[That loss was the result of an awfully inept refereeing error...

That pass was forward and the ref didn't wait for the TMO to make a very simple decision.

If games are won like that then the adjudication of the sport is unjust and needs correcting..

I am absolutely amazed you disagree...?

No worse than the Wales win against Ireland when we had that dodgy line out with the wrong ball thrown, or the Welsh loss in Italy when the ref told the players there was time for the line out then blew the whistle.  

Shít happens Maesteg, bottom line is australia were better today but our lads gave their very best for us.   

We'll said sir  

  

Shifty wrote:

Scratch wrote:  i just kicked my dog cos i am sure he said Cooper when he yawned.

Well done now give the little sod a yellow card and 10 minutes outside in the cold, but also a bottle of wine because he was bloody awesome today.  Then ask if he has a Welsh granny.   

He says 'Sod off Shifty, my grandad wasn't into valleys bitches'

Lydiate and Warburton should have been replaced by Tips and R Jones Toby seemed to be on his own fighting a losing battle.

When Priestland came on I though nooooooooooo and so it proved, gave away a penalty and kicked the ball away when Wales needed to keep it in hand.

Great game and well done Aus by far their best performance and they dominated the game.

Can't wait for the 6N hopefully with the players all being fit. There are positives with Biggar taking over and some of the young players showing up well.

Shifty wrote:

Scratch wrote:  i just kicked my dog cos i am sure he said Cooper when he yawned.

Well done now give the little sod a yellow card and 10 minutes outside in the cold, but also a bottle of wine because he was bloody awesome today.  Then ask if he has a Welsh granny.   

 

i loved north at 13, really think it has to be tried out more….I see us having issues at 9, Biggar solid though his kicking was poor, Roberts and North, Cuthbert Walker and Half…..JD2 as massive impact sub!

Ian Evans was poor, we got destroyed at the breakdown - Ryan Jones should have started in the second row.

Well done Aus, you deserved that win - even though we almost nicked it.

Cooper was majestic - typical, he turns it on to beat Wales :/.


I guess we hope the 6Ns goes well. If we lose away in Dublin and Twickernam then it will be a big crash down to earth for this group of players.

Scratch wrote:i loved north at 13, really think it has to be tried out more….I see us having issues at 9, Biggar solid though his kicking was poor, Roberts and North, Cuthbert Walker and Half…..JD2 as massive impact sub!

If JD2 is fit, he starts. No matter how good North is at 13, JD2 has been the best 13 in Europe for the last couple of years and is vital to the Welsh midfield.

Scratch wrote:i loved north at 13, really think it has to be tried out more….I see us having issues at 9, Biggar solid though his kicking was poor, Roberts and North, Cuthbert Walker and Half…..JD2 as massive impact sub!

Agree with that, I thought North had a great game. He hit the midfielf hard, that try of his was very special (2nd one)

I did think Toby was great for the whole game. Stand out in the first half, kept it up in the second.

Halfpenny carrying an injury?

Faletau made almost as many tackle as Warburton and Lydiate combined.

I agree ref Evans and called for Jones in my OP.

And ultimately of course you are right about JD2 but what harm in doing it 2nd half if we are winning as if north can have more ball he just finishes from anywhere as he has shown today.

Shifty wrote:

maestegmafia wrote:[That loss was the result of an awfully inept refereeing error...

That pass was forward and the ref didn't wait for the TMO to make a very simple decision.

If games are won like that then the adjudication of the sport is unjust and needs correcting..

I am absolutely amazed you disagree...?

No worse than the Wales win against Ireland when we had that dodgy line out with the wrong ball thrown, or the Welsh loss in Italy when the ref told the players there was time for the line out then blew the whistle.  

Shít happens Maesteg, bottom line is australia were better today but our lads gave their very best for us.   

Sorry Alyn got you mixed up with Maes 

wales606 wrote:Faletau made almost as many tackle as Warburton and Lydiate combined.

do you have a link to stats or your assessment?

HammerofThunor wrote:I did think Toby was great for the whole game. Stand out in the first half, kept it up in the second.

Halfpenny carrying an injury?

Agreed; I thought Faletau and North were standouts in a dire performance. Halfpenny didn't look right.

The forward pass is a complete non issue. Despite being outplayed for most of the game, Wales had a 5m line-out in the dying minutes only 4 points down and, inevitably, messed it up. Top teams convert those sort of chances, we don't and until we do we're never going to be a top team.

I thought the ref had a cracker of a game and the forward pass call was correct. Whilst by the letter of the law it was forward - when making those decisions to rule out a try the ref has to see the ball clearly going forwards - and the advice is to judge on the motion of the players hands. I don't think that interpretation is correct but that is how the IRB have decided it should be done. Good call

Scratch wrote:

wales606 wrote:Faletau made almost as many tackle as Warburton and Lydiate combined.

do you have a link to stats or your assessment?

http://www.espn.co.uk/scrum/rugby/match/186197.html

Faletau 17
Lydiate 10
Warburton 8 (missed 1)

Scott Williams made 16

Bevington 9 from the bench

"[That loss was the result of an awfully inept refereeing error... "

typical maes comment



yep its allways the ref. shame isnt it as you won the last two games against australia  

To the real welsh fans. Unlucky lads- great game,

TJ wrote:I thought the ref had a cracker of a game  and the forward pass call was correct.  Whilst by the letter of the law it was forward - when making those decisions to rule out a try the ref has to see the ball clearly going forwards - and the advice is to judge on the motion of the players hands.  I don't think that interpretation is correct  but that is how the IRB have decided it should be done.  Good call

Rowland said he thought it was forward but to check with the TMO. Barnes didn't wait for the tmo's answer.

It was blatantly forward within any rules.

If the rules are now so ridiculously ambient that that qualifies as a correct pass then we might as well play a quarterback instead of a scrum half.

Blwdi ridiculous decision by a referee that is invariably a long way out of his depth.

TJ wrote:I thought the ref had a cracker of a game  and the forward pass call was correct.  Whilst by the letter of the law it was forward - when making those decisions to rule out a try the ref has to see the ball clearly going forwards - and the advice is to judge on the motion of the players hands.  I don't think that interpretation is correct  but that is how the IRB have decided it should be done.  Good call

Here's the IRB video:

Barnes collecting a winners medal over that showing,Aussie second try come from a turn over, a turn from Hibbard who was clothes lined.
Third forward pass.

Then to blow up so quick when North was clear in!! it was Wales advantage because the ball didn't even go forward.
Break down an absolute free for all for the Aussies,in the side off feet no wonder they had such quick ball.

But all that said still quite happy with the level Wales can bring without so many key players.

But Gatland must address Warburton and Phillips ,Warburton is keeping a far superior player out at the moment,not saying for all time but right now Tupric is well ahead of him,then we see AWJ looking more like the captain by each moment.
Phillips has had his day,always been a fan but the Welsh pack are far better than four years ago they don't need such an abrasive scrum half as proven when he went off.

Happy with Rhodri the lad needs more top game time now and will prove valuable cover,Samson thou is going places the lad just has it.

So over all bring on the Six Nations and the RWC .

DeludedOptimistorjustDave wrote:Barnes collecting a winners medal over that showing,Aussie second try come from a turn over, a turn from Hibbard who was clothes lined.
Third forward pass.

Then to blow up so quick when North was clear in!! it was Wales advantage because the ball didn't even go forward.
Break down an absolute free for all for the Aussies,in the side off feet no wonder they had such quick ball.

But all that said still quite happy with the level Wales can bring without so many key players.

But Gatland must address Warburton and Phillips ,Warburton is keeping a far superior player out at the moment,not saying for all time but right now Tupric is well ahead of him,then we see AWJ looking more like the captain by each moment.
Phillips has had his day,always been a fan but the Welsh pack are far better than four years ago they don't need such an abrasive scrum half as proven when he went off.

Happy with Rhodri the lad needs more top game time now and will prove valuable cover,Samson thou is going places the lad just has it.

So over all bring on the Six Nations and the RWC .

Its that sort of whinging by very few posters after game that leads to a blanket judgement of welsh fans (needlessly) .The Aussies where on the money today , accept it .

DeludedOptimistorjustDave wrote:Barnes collecting a winners medal over that showing,Aussie second try come from a turn over, a turn from Hibbard who was clothes lined.
Third forward pass.

Then to blow up so quick when North was clear in!! it was Wales advantage because the ball didn't even go forward.
Break down an absolute free for all for the Aussies,in the side off feet no wonder they had such quick ball.

But all that said still quite happy with the level Wales can bring without so many key players.

But Gatland must address Warburton and Phillips ,Warburton is keeping a far superior player out at the moment,not saying for all time but right now Tupric is well ahead of him,then we see AWJ looking more like the captain by each moment.
Phillips has had his day,always been a fan but the Welsh pack are far better than four years ago they don't need such an abrasive scrum half as proven when he went off.

Happy with Rhodri the lad needs more top game time now and will prove valuable cover,Samson thou is going places the lad just has it.

So over all bring on the Six Nations and the RWC .

   

Just hearing Ozzies fans saying that on one of the other ref radio channels you could hear the TMO say "no try, it's a forward pass, Wayne can you hear me, it is not a try..."

Rugby Fan wrote:

TJ wrote:I thought the ref had a cracker of a game  and the forward pass call was correct.  Whilst by the letter of the law it was forward - when making those decisions to rule out a try the ref has to see the ball clearly going forwards - and the advice is to judge on the motion of the players hands.  I don't think that interpretation is correct  but that is how the IRB have decided it should be done.  Good call

Here's the IRB video:

Not that bloody video again!

Why don't the IRB interpretations agree with the Laws as written down?

Great game! Enjoyed every minute. While I wanted AUS to win I wasn't too fussed if they lost so could enjoy the match from a pure rugby point of view.

Reffing was good and fair and allowed for running rugby. The AUS game plan was the same as the Reds versus the Lions in the summer and worked really well. I have no issue with the AUS try and thought the pass was good. The score line flatters Wales to me.

A North / Roberts centre pairing lacks guile and quick hands to me. One or the other with JD2 would be the answer.

I was surprised how poorly Warbs played and captained the side while the Wales game plan was unclear to me. With the early 'gift' try, Wales should've played it tight, mauling, driving etc looking for penalties and believing that the gaps would appear at some stage. Game management remains an issue for Wales which explains so many close losses. This is the fault of the captain and coaches to me. Of course acknowledgement must be made. The Aussies were really on top form.

However Wales have the players to challenge and improve and this has little bearing on RWC 2015. But tough calls will need to be made at 9, Captain, 10.

AUS were a joy to watch and the Rugby Championship is going to be one of the best next year.

maestegmafia wrote:Just hearing Ozzies fans saying that on one of the other ref radio channels you could hear the TMO say "no try, it's a forward pass, Wayne can you hear me, it is not a try..."

I know,but Barnes don't want Wales doing well he is English.

Scratch wrote:i loved north at 13, really think it has to be tried out more….I see us having issues at 9, Biggar solid though his kicking was poor, Roberts and North, Cuthbert Walker and Half…..JD2 as massive impact sub!

To be fair your centre/s never really got going today, Australia just shut them down all the time. I dont think Wales are that farr off to be honest.
Every time Australia got the ball they all ways seemed to get over the gain line. And yet every time Wales got the ball they did not get very far over the gain line. Some Cracking tackles form both sides, and Hibbard especialy. Maybe this is a lesson to the likes of Hibbard and co, winding the likes of Genia up before the game kicked off.

Leave the talking on the pitch, at the time of the game. And not before.

I do think Wales will have problems in the 9, 10 slot with regards to replacements. Biggar deffo better of the 2 fly halfs. Who will replace Phillips? Is the Guy that came on today ( sorry not sure what is name is) too be Phillips replacement?

The pass was clearlyt forward hence the great pick up by the "scorer" , for me the try was really butchered but Barnes not for the first time ignores the TMO. The game was good because there were so few scrums be cause the skill level was so high mainly by Aus. Some fantastic hits by Wales in that game but Aus still got the ball back. I feel Wales flankers were poor today and outplayed by the Aus back row, Tips made a big difference when he came on, Lydiate offered very little at this level.

maestegmafia wrote:Just hearing Ozzies fans saying that on one of the other ref radio channels you could hear the TMO say "no try, it's a forward pass, Wayne can you hear me, it is not a try..."

They then heard Barnes reply "I don't care, there's no way Wales will end their losing run against Aus on my watch" right?

As a proud Welsh fan (for the day) I can admit the pass was fine.

No, this game was lost by two inept number 10's.

Biggar gets a yellow card at the start of the first half and Australia score.

Priestland kicks the ball into touch as Wales had a chance to "do a New Zealand" at the death against 14 men.

Just crazy. Lucky the Lions had Sexton to steady the ship against Australia. That really seemed to make the difference.

Contrast the pathetic effort at 10 for Wales with Quade Cooper who was quite sublime. Amazing vision. No way would he have kicked it out if Australia needed 5 to win.

Wales were clueless when Oz went down to 14 men. What was with the ridiculous 12 man lineout? FFS, we had a one man advantage in the backs. What square up against the opposition forwards? just stupidity.

Enough with the ref bashing and moaning also.

Wales should face up to their limitations, stop the big talk and focus on real rugby.

SA had three good tries disallowed this Nov but got the results. Wales were second best all game as they were
against SA.

Check out the pass to North for his first try. That was forward too ,even more than the Aussie one. I was surprised Barnes did not call the TMO on that one.
The ref did not decide the result of this game Quade Cooper did.

We harped on all through the Lions series that deans should have picked QC. One of the primary reasons they lost the series. He waltzed passed halfpenny like he wasn't there as well.
Wales should gave taken more advantage of his absence from the 74th minute and the pass was forward point to point but in line with similar recent rulings... accounted for by forward momentum as per the video above.
Good game though.wales certainly had their chances. Don't get this kicking away possession in the last two minutes. Wales did it twice including a stupid nudge from priestland to end it. Why he keeps getting picked I have no idea.

Heuer27 wrote:Check out the pass to North for his first try. That was forward too ,even more than the Aussie one. I was surprised Barnes did not call the TMO on that one.
The ref did not decide the result of this game Quade Cooper did.

   I certainly agree with that. Cooper did not look like he was ever going to kick the ball away. Unless he had too.
That is why he was MOM.

We have heard alot about how Wales Made up the bulk on the Lions team for the last game to win the Lions series.

How many of the Lions stood up today for Wales? And if the Welsh Lions as it ware was good enough in the Summer. How come they are not good enough Now.

Oh wait, They did not have Wayne Barnes as the Referee. right. 

maestegmafia wrote:Just hearing Ozzies fans saying that on one of the other ref radio channels you could hear the TMO say "no try, it's a forward pass, Wayne can you hear me, it is not a try..."

Maybe he just hates the abuse he gets from the MS crowd and thought Frak you lot, Try

 

Wales top 2 inches AWOL again.

Aside from North and Hibbard, Lydiate, Bevington and Faletau, we were poor.

Sam has o be canned as skipper and frankly i think Tips must be given more starts.

Gethin is on his way out

Ian Evans should go, would dhav preferred Ryan or even Coombes

Philipps, just too sow for a side on the back foot, great when he is over the mainline but we can't get over it

Just shows us how we rely on Doc too as our centers were anonymous

You have to hand it to George though, what a player

I am utterly disappointed and feel it is time for a radical re think on Howley and Edwards, McbRIDE AND Sam

Scratch wrote:Wales top 2 inches AWOL again.

Aside from North and Hibbard, Lydiate, Bevington and Faletau, we were poor.

Sam has o be canned as skipper and frankly i think Tips must be given more starts.

Gethin is on his way out

Ian Evans should go, would dhav preferred Ryan or even Coombes

Philipps, just too sow for a side on the back foot, great when  he is over the mainline but  we can't get over it

Just shows us how we rely on Doc too as our centers were anonymous

You have to hand it to George though, what a player

I am utterly disappointed and feel it is time for a radical re think on Howley and Edwards, McbRIDE AND Sam

What about Gats?
The buck stops with him too surely?