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Post by Bathite Wed May 18, 2011 9:16 pm

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SARACENS

"There's definately something special happening at Saracens"


2010/2011 Inaugural ERL Season
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4th Place in League
Playoff Semifinalist
Manager of the Month 6 times winner Saracens - Page 8 WeMdVo+hgWTMZZ5eC+5SXSwDpYqpgaP5+sWtoA3SI2e8+bUqO35JvgBoJ4pwQp0MQkAAAAASUVORK5CYII=Saracens - Page 8 WeMdVo+hgWTMZZ5eC+5SXSwDpYqpgaP5+sWtoA3SI2e8+bUqO35JvgBoJ4pwQp0MQkAAAAASUVORK5CYII=Saracens - Page 8 WeMdVo+hgWTMZZ5eC+5SXSwDpYqpgaP5+sWtoA3SI2e8+bUqO35JvgBoJ4pwQp0MQkAAAAASUVORK5CYII=Saracens - Page 8 WeMdVo+hgWTMZZ5eC+5SXSwDpYqpgaP5+sWtoA3SI2e8+bUqO35JvgBoJ4pwQp0MQkAAAAASUVORK5CYII=Saracens - Page 8 WeMdVo+hgWTMZZ5eC+5SXSwDpYqpgaP5+sWtoA3SI2e8+bUqO35JvgBoJ4pwQp0MQkAAAAASUVORK5CYII=Saracens - Page 8 WeMdVo+hgWTMZZ5eC+5SXSwDpYqpgaP5+sWtoA3SI2e8+bUqO35JvgBoJ4pwQp0MQkAAAAASUVORK5CYII=


INFORMATION
Old Site: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A84388378
Head Coach: Bathite
Forwards Coach: Danny Grewcock
Backs Coach: Mike Catt

FIXTURES

Heineken: Finished 2nd in Group
1. Ospreys (A) 25-18 (L)
2. Clermont (H) 29-20 (W)
2nd in Group - Challenge Cup

Challenge Cup: Winner
Semi-Final: Leinster (N) 30-31 (W)
Final: Stade Francais (N) 21-30 (W)

Knockout Cup: 1st Round Loss
1st Round. Highlanders (A) 25-22 (L)

League: 4th
Record: P22 W13 D3 L6
1. Leinster (A) 26-19 (L)
2. Northampton (H) 23-22 (W)
3. Ospreys (A) 32-19 (L)
4. Toulouse (A) 30-16 (L)
5. Highlanders (H) 22-24 (L) LBP
6. Stade (A) 22-22 (D)
7. Toulon (H) 28-17 (W)
8. Bath (A) 28-26 (W)
9. Biarritz (H) 31-23 (W) WBP
10. Clermont (A) 19-31 (W) WBP
11. Leicester (H) 27-20 (W)
12. Leinster (H) 30-22 (W) WBP
13. Northampton (A) 33-20 (W) WBP
14. Ospreys (H) 29-29 (D)
15. Toulouse (H) 25-28 (L) LBP
16. Highlanders (A) 27-25 (L) LBP
17. Stade (H) 31-22 (W) WBP
18. Toulon (A) 19-33 (W) WBP
19. Bath (H) 32-22 (W) WBP
20. Biarritz (A) 21-27 (W)
21. Clermont (H) 20-0 (W)
22. Leicester (A) 23-23 (D)



MATCHDAY


PositionStrongest Squad
1S.Tonga'uia
2B.Du Plessis
3O.Franks
4L.Nallet
5P.Albacete
6R.Elsom
7S.Burger
8S.Parisse
9J.Cowan
10N.Evans
11H.Gear
12M.Nonu
13J.Fourie
14D.Mitchell
15I.Toeava
16R.Roncero
17P.Dixon
18R.M-Chluski
19M.Bergamasco
20R.Wigglesworth
21B.James
22C.Heymans

FIRST TEAM SQUAD

Hookers: 2
Props: 5
Lock: 4
Back Row: 7
Half Backs: 4
Centres: 3
Back Three: 5
Squad Size: 29 (29 Available)

Forwards
NamePositionNationalitySquad StatusValue
Soane Tonga'uiaLH
Tonga
Key Player

Rodrigo Roncero
LHArg
First Team
Wyatt CrockettLHNZFirst Team
Owen FranksTH/LHNZInvaluableNot For Sale
Matt StevensTH/LHEngFirst TeamINJ
Bismarck Du PlessisHKSAInvaluableNot For Sale
Pieter DixonHKZimbBack Up£10m
Lionel NalletLKFranceKey Player
Patricio AlbaceteLKArgentinaKey Player
Romain Millo-Chluski LKFranceFirst Team
Julien PierreLKFranceRotation
Rocky ElsomBS/N8AustraliaInvaluable
Schalk BurgerOS/BS/N8SAInvaluableNot For Sale
Sergio ParisseN8ItalyInvaluableNot For Sale
Mirco Bergamasco
OS/BS
Italy
First Team

Wycliff PaluN8/BSAustraliaFirst Team
Thomas WaldromN8/BSNZRotation£18m
Matt ToddOS/BSNZRotation
Backs

NamePositionNationalitySquad StatusValue
Jimmy CowanSHNZKey Player
Richard WigglesworthSHEnglandFirst Team£14m
Nick EvansFHNZInvaluableNot For Sale
Butch JamesFH/ICSARotation
Ma'a NonuIC/OC/WGNZInvaluableNot For Sale
Jacque FourieOC/IC/WGSAInvaluableNot For Sale
Brad BarrittICEnglandRotation
Hosea GearWGNZInvaluableNot For Sale
Drew Mitchell
WG/FB
Aus
Invaluable
Not For Sale
Isaia ToeavaFB/WG/OCNZKey Player
Cedric HeymansWG/FBFranceFirst Team
Ben SmithFB/WGNZFirst Team






INJURIES
Ma'a Nonu HEALED
Rocky Elsom HEALED
Matt Stevens

FINANCES
Budget: £5m


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Post by GloucesterBear Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:03 pm

No im not asking for too much at all.

Im losing Parisse my best player so I will only sell to you if one of your big players are involved.

That being Gear or Fourie.
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Post by GloucesterBear Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:07 pm

But it's with Parisse involved.

You need.

Gear 4 Guildford
Elsom 4 Thomson
Fourie 4 Hook

To get Parisse, one of your locks Bekker needs to go for Jack while Albacete can be swapped for Chisholm. Habana 4 Pietersen is ok but only for acceptions Parisse and Hook is not the answer.
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Post by GloucesterBear Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:23 am

Make something including.

Jack 4 Bekker
Chisholm 4 Albacete
Pietersen 4 Habana

To get Parisse off me, I would need the following back.
Gear 4 Guildford
Elsom 4 Thomson
Fourie 4 Hook
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Post by Fluxy Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:08 am

What for Alba, Habs, Franks and Hape?

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Post by Fluxy Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:08 am

That'd leave me short at prop. And I wouldn't lose 'Captain tackles' in such a small deal.

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Post by Fluxy Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:15 am

Still no sorry. Look back at the deal I did with Pull for McCaw. Something similar would tempt me.

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Post by Fluxy Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:23 am

Still no sorry. Look back at the deal I did with Pull for McCaw. Something similar would tempt me.

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Post by pullthestrings Sun Jul 10, 2011 1:37 pm

Do you want me to do results?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:06 pm

What for Gear?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:15 pm

Wouldn't include either of those, no probs

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Post by Fluxy Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:12 am

£26m - Pape and Pierre

Enq

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Post by GloucesterBear Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:35 pm

Anything for Bekker or Toeava?
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Post by GloucesterBear Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:44 pm

Parisse 4 Easter, like I said only selling Parisse for a good offer or a good player don't think Easter is that.
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Post by GloucesterBear Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:19 pm

I know I will be getting quality back, but Parisse is my best player and I have done well to get him in.

Not going unless the replacement is good and sutible, Easter doesn't fit the bill sorry.
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Post by pullthestrings Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:26 am

Habana and or Bekker interest you?

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Not really mate. Habana has no form and Bekker isn't really any better than Russouw. Bear in mind neither start for you so why would they start for me?

To lose Domingo I'd need Nallet/Albacete/Gear/Schalk in a deal thumbsup

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Post by pullthestrings Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:04 am

Bekker, Steenkamp
=
Domingo, Crane

enq.

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Post by pullthestrings Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:30 am

Crane can play lock, and don't you get them back next week?

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Post by pullthestrings Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:47 am

No, I have them for week 16 but you have them after that. I'm not that keen on that. I don't really see Bekker as a massive improvement.

Since you rate him so much,

Domingo + Russouw
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Steenkamp + Nallet/Albacete

Bekker can step back in..

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Post by pullthestrings Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:55 pm

Good offer mate but I'm still not keen. Domingo is the best in the world - I don't see much difference between Bekker and Russouw.

I really would need Nallet/Albacete/Gear/Schalk to lose Domingo OK

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Post by pullthestrings Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:24 pm

I'm still not sure I want to deal.. Steenkamp is a bit fat.. Whistle

I'll have a think and let you know thumbsup

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Post by pullthestrings Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:07 pm

I know, otherwise you would have already done a Bekker, Palu = Parisse, Chisholm deal..

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Post by Fluxy Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:14 am

In word on the above mate?

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Post by Fluxy Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:52 am

That's fine, I've got McCalman, Croft and Bardy as cover.

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Post by Fluxy Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:09 pm

So can I confirm the lock deal?

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Post by GloucesterBear Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:17 pm

So would you sell Bekker then.

20 million?
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Post by GloucesterBear Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:34 pm

Ok.

Bekker 22 million
Albacete 32 million
Nallet 27 million

Any of them take your fancy, willing to push the boat out.
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Post by GloucesterBear Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:44 pm

But at this current time Hoeata is inexperienced for a game like this.

Those are my offers, breaking my bank for Albacete there, if you sell one of them you will still have say Bekker to come into your starting 15 which would be good and shouldn't knock your ratings down because he is a beast with very good line out skills because of his height.
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Post by GloucesterBear Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:59 pm

You won't lose because Bekker can step in if you want to sell Albacete or Nallet for fantastic prices.

Your team looks strong all over the field, maybe Steenkamp being a bit of a weakness. Coenie Oosthuizen should get ratings on here, he is an incredible player.

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Post by Fluxy Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:02 pm

Thought you told me they weren't selling yet...



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Post by GloucesterBear Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:22 pm

Yep I do.

Could always do.

Albacete
4
Chisholm & 10 million

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Post by GloucesterBear Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:25 pm

Do me Nallet then if you don't want to lose your best lock.

Will push to 28 for Nallet.
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Post by Driver Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:30 pm

What for Alba?
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Post by GloucesterBear Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:02 pm

Burger & Easter & Bekker & Gear & Maitland
4
Warburton & Parisse & Chisholm & Clerc & Guildford

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Post by GloucesterBear Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:03 am

Easter & Bekker & Gear & Maitland
4
Parisse & Chisholm & Clerc & Guildford

What about that instead, if you think Maitland is better than Guildford your wrong.
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Post by Driver Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:14 am

Bathite wrote:Albacete+Evans
4
Gray+Carter

??


Not interested really mate , Still rate Carter leaps above Evans
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Post by GloucesterBear Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:19 am

Easter & Bekker & Habana & Maitland
4
Parisse & Chisholm & Tuilagi & Guildford

Rather have Guildford and Maitland in the same team, even though Habana > Tuilagi is a massive gain but Habana has been poor for ages.

Im losing Parisse my best player, but I don't get one of your best players back simply doesn't work with players like Bekker, Habana and Maitland. Plus Guildford in my view is better than Maitland.
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Post by GloucesterBear Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:31 am

Easter & Bekker & Habana
4
Parisse & Jack/Chisholm & Tuilagi

Don't like Habana and I wouldn't start him that's why I keep rejecting offers with Habana in overrated and Poopie.
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Post by Fluxy Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:57 am

£26m + JP + Aplon
=
Pierre + Pape + Gear + Toeava

Enq

Could throw in Whitelock for Nallet too.

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Post by Fluxy Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:03 am

Well can I just buy two locks?

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Post by Fluxy Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:13 am

I beg to differ lol. How much for just Pierre

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Post by Fluxy Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:17 am

Because it wouldn't take as long in domestics. But I may as well have bought one.

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Post by GloucesterBear Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:25 am

Gear + Palu
4
Guildford + Parisse

Will think about it, couldn't chuck in Bekker 4 Chisholm and Clerc 4 Maitland aswell could you?
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Post by GloucesterBear Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:05 pm

Hello Bathite better going round to everyone and telling them what players would improve my side.

Of course all Toulon players for sale

Interested in
Steenkamp
O.Franks
Bekker
Albacete
Nallet
Elsom
Burger
Easter
Palu(maybe not sure)
Todd
Cowan
Evans
Nonu
Fourie
Gear
Toeava
Habana
Maitland

Thanks mate
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Post by GloucesterBear Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:55 pm

See what your happy with from this.

Steenkamp 4 Ayerza or Tialata
Bekker 4 Chisholm or cash
Albacete 4 Boric + gain
Nallet 4 Boric
Elsom 4 Brown + gain
Burger 4 Warburton
Parisse 4 Easter
Todd 4 Louw
Cowan 4 Kelleher
Evans 4 Slade + gain
Nonu 4 Mapasua + gain
Gear 4 Guildford or Clerc
Toeava 4 Poitrenaud
Habana 4 R.Davies
Maitland 4 Clerc

If any of them appeal to you make something, gain means I will add a possible gain in your direction which could possibly be Parisse 4 Easter or Clerc/Guildford 4 Maitland or Habana.

Hope that is clear.
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Post by GloucesterBear Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:57 pm

So if you are willing to lose.

Albacete 4 Boric
Elsom 4 Brown
Evans 4 Slade
Nonu 4 Mapasua

You will get Parisse 4 Easter or Clerc/Guildford 4 Maitland or Habana in return. But rather do 3-4 players rather than 2.
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Post by Fluxy Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:25 pm

Thion - £10m

Enq

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Post by GloucesterBear Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:28 pm

Fairly easy Bathite will break it up into two posts. Could do 2 for 2.

Albacete 4 Boric
Elsom 4 Brown
Evans 4 Slade
Nonu 4 Mapasua

Any of them with Parisse 4 Easter or Clerc/Guildford 4 Maitland or Habana as my part of the deal.
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Post by GloucesterBear Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:32 pm

Steenkamp 4 Ayerza or Tialata
Bekker 4 Chisholm or cash
Nallet 4 Boric
Burger 4 Warburton
Parisse 4 Easter
Todd 4 Louw
Cowan 4 Kelleher
Gear 4 Guildford or Clerc
Toeava 4 Poitrenaud
Habana 4 R.Davies
Maitland 4 Clerc

Or with that list obviously there are some gains, equals and losses for me in there, if you want to make 2 players or 3 players in a deal choose from this group of how I would rate.

Gains for you
Clerc 4 Maitland
Clerc 4 Habana
Parisse 4 Easter

Gains for me
Gear 4 Guildford/Clerc
Burger 4 Warburton
Nallet 4 Boric
Steenkamp 4 Ayerza

Equals in my view(you may not agree on form)
Habana 4 R.Davies
Toeava 4 Poitrenaud
Cowan 4 Kelleher
Todd 4 Louw

So you could go with my other post, or pick 1 from each of the above catergories with whatever suits you or just pick a deal from the gains for you and gains for me catergory if anything takes your fancy rather than adding a evens deal aswell.
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Post by GloucesterBear Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:46 pm

So will put these up as possibilities.

Albacete/Evans & Easter/Maitland
4
Boric/Slade & Parisse/Clerc

Easter & Gear/Burger
4
Parisse & Guildford/Warburton

Easter & Gear & Cowan
4
Parisse & Guildford & Kelleher

???

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Post by GloucesterBear Fri Jul 15, 2011 2:01 pm

Gear + Easter + Todd
4
Guildford + Parisse + Louw

Knew you would go for that lol, but that was the least of them I was keen on.

Really need a lock so.

Albacete/Nallet & Clerc/Guildford
4
Boric & Habana/Maitland

OR

Easter & Habana & Gear & Cowan/Boric
4
Parisse & Clerc & Guildford & Kelleher/Nallet

Thanks
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