England vs Ireland

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Could be game of the six nations what do you think?

SecretFly wrote:Yis can hit anyone yis like, with my blessing...but just leave BOD alone.  

It's his last 6N and he wants to get to the end of it, for old time's sake

Itd be hilarious if Schmidt dropped him for the last game though wouldnt it

I think BOD will equal Gregan's test cap record if he plays. Hopefully he'll finish as the most capped player of all time. Mind you it's a record that probably won't last that long.

The look on Keith Wood's face would be priceless!

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Yis can hit anyone yis like, with my blessing...but just leave BOD alone.  

It's his last 6N and he wants to get to the end of it, for old time's sake

Itd be hilarious if Schmidt dropped him for the last game though wouldnt it

Hilarious for you...I'm sure of it.  For Schmidt, it'd be a ticket to oblivion in some parts of Ireland...especially around some of the places he lives.

No - in all seriousness, those two have a pact with each other - and if I know BOD, it's probably in writing in his IRFU contract.  Schmidt coaxed him to stay another year.  This 6N and the New Zealand game were the reasons.  BOD ain't getting dropped by anyone anymore - I'd say that's written in print.  Didn't you see him waving away the sideline as they were about to take him off late in the game?  He calls his own shots in this retirement gig.

If he survives England, I'd say he'll rest through Italy and have his swansong against France.

Ha some chance sure BOD practically picks the team - Joe tried to take him off near the end of the Wales game for Boss and he refused to go!

gregortree wrote:Hooking for fish ? In Hartley's mouth ?

Sure wouldn't a harpoon be better?

It seems Dallaglio is worried:
"England will pay a lot of attention to Sexton who is so important to Ireland. If they tackle hard and happen to get him off the field, things would be a lot easier."

If Farrell was taken off early who plays 10?

The Great Aukster wrote:It seems Dallaglio is worried:
"England will pay a lot of attention to Sexton who is so important to Ireland. If they tackle hard and happen to get him off the field, things would be a lot easier."

If Farrell was taken off early who plays 10?

36 helped by Care. Barritt to 12. Not ideal. Unless Lancaster picks Ford but that would be a very tough match for a debut

So much talk about getting players off the field.  

Doesn't anyone want to test themselves against the best any more?

No I'm not saying Sexton is 'the best' - I'm saying the idea that an ex-player is analysing the game by talking about the prospects of taking a key player off the field........... maybe it's best just keep those tactical thoughts to yourself Dallaglio.

David Wallace was tactically taken out of a game against England - it ended his career.  Is that a fair result to a one game strategy?

I don't think we not the England set up will be looking to follow Dayglo's advice. However, England will definitely test Sexton's mettle and temper will some legal hits and the likes of Billy V and maybe Burrell looking at his channel in attack

ChequeredJersey wrote:I don't think we not the England set up will be looking to follow Dayglo's advice. However, England will definitely test Sexton's mettle and temper will some legal hits and the likes of Billy V and maybe Burrell looking at his channel in attack

Legal hits okay with me...to influence a game.... to make a player make a mistake, lose a ball, disrupt a building move etc - not to take a player out of the game.  To have thoughts like that is to have thoughts about injuring a player sufficiently to take him out of the game.  That's not rugby, that's something else.

SecretFly wrote:

ChequeredJersey wrote:I don't think we not the England set up will be looking to follow Dayglo's advice. However, England will definitely test Sexton's mettle and temper will some legal hits and the likes of Billy V and maybe Burrell looking at his channel in attack

Legal hits okay with me...to influence a game.... to make a player make a mistake, lose a ball, disrupt a building move etc - not to take a player out of the game.  To have thoughts like that is to have thoughts about injuring a player sufficiently to take him out of the game.  That's not rugby, that's something else.

Yep, and I think Dayglo is being an idiot

The Great Aukster wrote:"England will pay a lot of attention to Sexton who is so important to Ireland. If they tackle hard and happen to get him off the field, things would be a lot easier.

Yeah I saw that and "WTF?" was my reaction.

I've read and listened to Dallaglio a long time and actually don't think he really meant what that sounds like. But it really doesn't sound right.

It is nothing. I doubt he is suggesting they should intentionally Sexton but rather paying him a compliment.

Some compliment.  "You might be getting a ticket to retirement Sexton, that's how highly our boys should rate you."

TJ wrote:Accidental surely?  No one complained

warburton tried to make a bit of a meal of it, but when his teammates all turned around and siad "wish i'd done that", WRUburton got the message and quietened the fupp down.

SecretFly wrote:Yis can hit anyone yis like, with my blessing...but just leave BOD alone.  

It's his last 6N and he wants to get to the end of it, for old time's sake

i agree with this. was a bit poor to see scott williams try to put the hurt on BOD on Sat.

karma...

i dont think any of the england players will try to hurt sexton. lawes seems to have controlled his inner beast these days and he would definitely have been most likely to have a go.

i reckon the english players would much rather get the chargedown by going for the ball than hurt the man.

i've generally been really really pleased and impressed with how clean and clinical the england players have been in the last 4/5 games. except farrell who loves to try to wind people up with small pushes. he's not an idiot though as its clearly never enough to get himself yellowed. makes him look a tool though.

quinsforever wrote:i dont think any of the england players will try to hurt sexton. lawes seems to have controlled his inner beast these days and he would definitely have been most likely to have a go.

i reckon the english players would much rather get the chargedown by going for the ball than hurt the man.

i've generally been really really pleased and impressed with how clean and clinical the england players have been in the last 4/5 games. except farrell who loves to try to wind people up with small pushes. he's not an idiot though as its clearly never enough to get himself yellowed. makes him look a tool though.

That's not quite true. Marler is too short to charge kicks down and so England (and Quins) have taken to using him to put in some big - but thus far totally legal - hits on the opposition. If Sexton is ever in his sights and even fractionally too slow to get the ball away, he can expect to be knocked flat.

personally i would be very disappointed if there was even a hint of attempting to hurt sexton.

england are good enough to aim to win on merit, not by nobbling the irish 10.

Going for the oppositions biggest threat and putting him on his orse as soon as possible is pretty standard stuff in rugby. It's the first thing they teach kids in Munster. And anywhere where the warlike side of the game is appretiated. England have always appretiated it. I remember BOD getting two or three late hard hits against England in '09 when he was the big threat (but he kept getting up and lifting the crowd and the team). And Wallace missing out on the RWC after being hit hard by Tuilagi.

Lawes has already said he's expecting a brawl in an interview. Which we all love to see. But talking about getting a player off the field to make things easier isn't really in the spirit of the game. I'm sure Dallaglio knows that and that sentence just came out wrong. Dallaglio was BOD's team mate when the All Blacks "happened" to get him off the field in '05.

SecretFly wrote:So much talk about getting players off the field.  

Doesn't anyone want to test themselves against the best any more?

No I'm not saying Sexton is 'the best' - I'm saying the idea that an ex-player is analysing the game by talking about the prospects of taking a key player off the field........... maybe it's best just keep those tactical thoughts to yourself Dallaglio.

David Wallace was tactically taken out of a game against England - it ended his career.  Is that a fair result to a one game strategy?

Just cant say that. Very sad end to a great player's career - but you cannot accuse England (e.g. Tuilagi) of targeting him on purpose in that way.

Feckless Rogue wrote:Going for the oppositions biggest threat and putting him on his orse as soon as possible is pretty standard stuff in rugby. It's the first thing they teach kids in Munster. And anywhere where the warlike side of the game is appretiated. England have always appretiated it. I remember BOD getting two or three late hard hits against England in '09 when he was the big threat (but he kept getting up and lifting the crowd and the team). And Wallace missing out on the RWC after being hit hard by Tuilagi.

Lawes has already said he's expecting a brawl in an interview. Which we all love to see. But talking about getting a player off the field to make things easier isn't really in the spirit of the game. I'm sure Dallaglio knows that and that sentence just came out wrong. Dallaglio was BOD's team mate when the All Blacks "happened" to get him off the field in '05.

Dallaglio was on that Wasps team that targeted O'Gara and took him out of that Heineken Cup semi game in 2004. Paul Volley boasted about how it was his job to get him out off. He did after about half an hour.

11 days to go and 12 pages in?   

At least this fixture isn't being played near to St Patricks day or The Cheltenham festival. Thats a sure fire, nailed on Ireland win. Plus England tormentor in chief Sir Thomas Bowe is out injured...

Eng to romp home by 30 then  

SecretFly wrote:So much talk about getting players off the field.  

Doesn't anyone want to test themselves against the best any more?

No I'm not saying Sexton is 'the best' - I'm saying the idea that an ex-player is analysing the game by talking about the prospects of taking a key player off the field........... maybe it's best just keep those tactical thoughts to yourself Dallaglio.

David Wallace was tactically taken out of a game against England - it ended his career.  Is that a fair result to a one game strategy?

If you're talking about the Manu hit on him then that's a load of bollix. Wallace was breaking past Manu who smashed him off the pitch legally. Nothing in it and 9 times out of 10 the player would walk away unscathed.

Apologies if it's a different hit though.

Sin é wrote:

Feckless Rogue wrote:Going for the oppositions biggest threat and putting him on his orse as soon as possible is pretty standard stuff in rugby. It's the first thing they teach kids in Munster. And anywhere where the warlike side of the game is appretiated. England have always appretiated it. I remember BOD getting two or three late hard hits against England in '09 when he was the big threat (but he kept getting up and lifting the crowd and the team). And Wallace missing out on the RWC after being hit hard by Tuilagi.

Lawes has already said he's expecting a brawl in an interview. Which we all love to see. But talking about getting a player off the field to make things easier isn't really in the spirit of the game. I'm sure Dallaglio knows that and that sentence just came out wrong. Dallaglio was BOD's team mate when the All Blacks "happened" to get him off the field in '05.

Dallaglio was on that Wasps team that targeted O'Gara and took him out of that Heineken Cup semi game in 2004.  Paul Volley boasted about how it was his job to get him out off. He did after about half an hour.

All good players are targeted. It's a part of the game and especially for a fly half. I would be stunned if any 10 went in to a match not expecting a few cheap hits from the opposition backrow.

Sin é wrote:

Feckless Rogue wrote:Going for the oppositions biggest threat and putting him on his orse as soon as possible is pretty standard stuff in rugby. It's the first thing they teach kids in Munster. And anywhere where the warlike side of the game is appretiated. England have always appretiated it. I remember BOD getting two or three late hard hits against England in '09 when he was the big threat (but he kept getting up and lifting the crowd and the team). And Wallace missing out on the RWC after being hit hard by Tuilagi.

Lawes has already said he's expecting a brawl in an interview. Which we all love to see. But talking about getting a player off the field to make things easier isn't really in the spirit of the game. I'm sure Dallaglio knows that and that sentence just came out wrong. Dallaglio was BOD's team mate when the All Blacks "happened" to get him off the field in '05.

Dallaglio was on that Wasps team that targeted O'Gara and took him out of that Heineken Cup semi game in 2004.  Paul Volley boasted about how it was his job to get him out off. He did after about half an hour.

Well given how much you lot used to whinge about ROG Im surprised you didnt give the guys a biscuit

Is it too early to bring up Healy trying to damage Cole's leg out of fear? In fact Cole hasn't been the same player since.

Too early? Wait till next week?   

Just to be clear I don't think Healy was attempting to injure anyone

It was different in the days of Flannery, he didnt target anyone specific just the world in general

HammerofThunor wrote:Is it too early to bring up Healy trying to damage Cole's leg out of fear? In fact Cole hasn't been the same player since.

Too early? Wait till next week?   

Just to be clear I don't think Healy was attempting to injure anyone

True true, because stamping on someone's ankle is a sign of affection, likewise throwing punches at someone's head. I'm sure couples across the country will be copying those moves again this Friday!

Targeting Sexton to remove him from the game and then Halfpenny vs. Wales would make England’s job a lot easier. I’d also have a go at North’s glass ankles.

Mr Dallaglio might be on to something here.

yappysnap wrote:

HammerofThunor wrote:Is it too early to bring up Healy trying to damage Cole's leg out of fear? In fact Cole hasn't been the same player since.

Too early? Wait till next week?   

Just to be clear I don't think Healy was attempting to injure anyone

True true, because stamping on someone's ankle is a sign of affection, likewise throwing punches at someone's head. I'm sure couples across the country will be copying those moves again this Friday!

Cole has also stopped collapsing mauls, lying on the wrong side of the ruck and intentionally slowing down ball too. Actually no he hasnt just kidding. If you try to slow down ball with a hand or foot you are fair game for a stamp. Nyanga got the same treatment v England. One rule for England another for everyone else?

Look its fair game to target Hartely with the odd choke hold or fishook as hes a git.
Cole is a nice guy though. Unlike his sister.

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:Look its fair game to target Hartely with the odd choke hold or fishook as hes a git.
Cole is a nice guy though. Unlike his sister.

Its good practice to target Hartley because he is easy to wind up. Cole is a nice guy alright it seems. Who is his sister Cheryl Cole?

I think missing the Lions tour has changed Hartley.

Scrumpy wrote:I think missing the Lions tour has changed Hartley.

Seems to have motivated him a lot alright.

Sexton is one of the bigger 10s in international rugby as Farrell is also. Not easy to rough either of them up though if I was going to try it vs Ireland I would get Lawes the 10 mauler to do the task with Marler and Hartley as his able disciples.

Has Hartley ever been disciplined whilst with the England team. I cant remember any? Maybe wrong of course. Likewise Marler.

So dont think winding them up will work.

O'Mahony however now he's worth a wind up...

beshocked wrote:Sexton is one of the bigger 10s in international rugby as Farrell is also. Not easy to rough either of them up though if I was going to try it vs Ireland I would get Lawes the 10 mauler to do the task with Marler and Hartley as his able disciples.

Ireland will be hunting in packs if anyone touches Sexton. Liam Williams tried to "rough up" Paddy Jackson after his try. The ensuing melee saw Mike Philips get a yellow card. Joubert is no mug and will surely be wise to any such antics.

It is so English to think of ways to cheat before the game has even kicked off.

GeordieFalcon wrote:Has Hartley ever been disciplined whilst with the England team. I cant remember any? Maybe wrong of course. Likewise Marler.

So dont think winding them up will work.

O'Mahony however now he's worth a wind up...

Its impossible to wind up O'Mahony because he is perminantly already wound up.

 

GunsGerms wrote:

beshocked wrote:Sexton is one of the bigger 10s in international rugby as Farrell is also. Not easy to rough either of them up though if I was going to try it vs Ireland I would get Lawes the 10 mauler to do the task with Marler and Hartley as his able disciples.

Ireland will be hunting in packs if anyone touches Sexton. Liam Williams tried to "rough up" Paddy Jackson after his try. The ensuing melee saw Mike Philips get a yellow card. Joubert is no mug and will surely be wise to any such antics.

It is so English to think of ways to cheat before the game has even kicked off.  

So is Kearney going to push anyone who pushes with Sexton? No-one pushes like Mr Kearney.

GeordieFalcon wrote:Has Hartley ever been disciplined whilst with the England team. I cant remember any? Maybe wrong of course. Likewise Marler.

So dont think winding them up will work.

O'Mahony however now he's worth a wind up...

Aside from when he got peckish?

There was a lot of niggle in that game.

GunsGerms wrote:

beshocked wrote:Sexton is one of the bigger 10s in international rugby as Farrell is also. Not easy to rough either of them up though if I was going to try it vs Ireland I would get Lawes the 10 mauler to do the task with Marler and Hartley as his able disciples.

Ireland will be hunting in packs if anyone touches Sexton. Liam Williams tried to "rough up" Paddy Jackson after his try. The ensuing melee saw Mike Philips get a yellow card. Joubert is no mug and will surely be wise to any such antics.

It is so English to think of ways to cheat before the game has even kicked off.  

So tackling Sexton is illegal now? He's not Dan Carter you know!

GunsGerms wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:Has Hartley ever been disciplined whilst with the England team. I cant remember any? Maybe wrong of course. Likewise Marler.

So dont think winding them up will work.

O'Mahony however now he's worth a wind up...

Its impossible to wind up O'Mahony because he is perminantly already wound up.

True...

Not sure kearny will be playing, apparently he's busy helping one direction beat up mike Phillips

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:Has Hartley ever been disciplined whilst with the England team. I cant remember any? Maybe wrong of course. Likewise Marler.

So dont think winding them up will work.

O'Mahony however now he's worth a wind up...

Aside from when he got peckish?

There was a lot of niggle in that game.

Genuinely couldnt remember if he'd been yellow'd or red whilst playing for England. His discipline has generally been good whilst with the national side.

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:Not sure kearny will be playing, apparently he's busy helping one direction beat up mike Phillips

As long as it's unavoidable or for a good cause, I can accept not playing their best team.

HammerofThunor wrote:
So is Kearney going to push anyone who pushes with Sexton? No-one pushes like Mr Kearney.

Kearndog is too posh to push dont you know. Thats what the Munster boyos are in the team for.

GeordieFalcon wrote:

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:Has Hartley ever been disciplined whilst with the England team. I cant remember any? Maybe wrong of course. Likewise Marler.

So dont think winding them up will work.

O'Mahony however now he's worth a wind up...

Aside from when he got peckish?

There was a lot of niggle in that game.

Genuinely couldnt remember if he'd been yellow'd or red whilst playing for England. His discipline has generally been good whilst with the national side.

Wasn't carded, just banned for several weeks