England vs Wales 9th March

First topic message reminder :

Let's look towards the next game after getting ourselves back on track against France, just like last year, after the Irish put the spanner in the works.

England are big favs at the bookies- approx 1.5's in decimal or 1/2, Wales are approx 3's or 2/1

Wales are not a likeable side but they are a good side. Not the best in the NH but still tough enough and good enough to beat England on their day.

Wales are probably my least favourite NH side but I would want you to break your duck vs the tri nations sides as long as you showed a bit of humility.

beshocked wrote:Wales are not a likeable side

What makes you say that?

Thread went very quiet after the bookies odds were posted.
I was expecting a ton of money placed against England at those prices.

a ton of money placed on england at 1/2

are you on the juice bud?

sorry you said against!!

lol. i get ya.

but still wales at 2/1 isnt exactly that great. I wouldnt touch either with a barge pole

Why did it go quiet I think most level headed fans would admit England are slight faves given performances so far and home advantage.

Tenner on Wales I think

Never back your own team lad!

beshocked wrote:Wales are not a likeable side

I agree with that, but I don't think its down to the players as most of the them seem like decent blokes (apart from Phillips and that new winger!) but the Coaching staff & WRU get right up my nose, thats why I like to see them lose.

So much talk about Wales as favourites earlier this morning, so it would be easy money for those who believe their own talk.

I have stuck a 5 er on england to win by 11-20 at 11/4.

Ruby is rubbish to bet on.

quinsforever wrote:

Taffineastbourne wrote:

quinsforever wrote:england more or less 2:1 favourites

Ladbokes have England at 4/9.

suggest you have another think about that Taff. compare it to the odds for Ireland against Italy and then tell me who the favourites are

You have lost me there.I should have another think about what?

We love the actual Welsh players.. decent rugby blokes they are.
But some of their 606 'fans' get a bit cocky and irksome about being 'champs'   and all.
Maybe that is what some of the other fans find easy to dislike.

Will always bet on Wales even in the dark days of the 90s I always bet on us, 2005 had 10 tenner on us at 33/1 for the slam.

I'm sticking £50 on Wales   

i will take the bet if you want and offer you an extra point or two than you will get from any bookie

  Now we have two Englishmen haggling over the price of betting on Wales, while actual Welsh fans stand around in bewildered silence outside the bookies window.. wahaha
I am looking forward to this match, but just hope I am not deluded.

LOL. Welsh fans and bewildered silence go hand in hand. it's an occupational hazard of a team which regularly produces upsets both very good and very bad.

quinsforever wrote:LOL. Welsh fans and bewildered silence go hand in hand. it's an occupational hazard of a team which regularly produces upsets both very good and very bad.

So Wales are the new France ?
Now we are obliged to ask ourselves this old question:

"which one will turn up on Sunday ?"   

quinsforever wrote:LOL. Welsh fans and bewildered silence go hand in hand. it's an occupational hazard of a team which regularly produces upsets both very good and very bad.

There didn't seem to be much bewildered silence at the Millennium Stadium last year!  

Taff
606 fans / favourites / betting.
That is this topic du jour.

Manu and Yarde in the squad for Saturday

Did they watch a different game to me yesterday?

gregortree wrote:Taff
606 fans / favourites / betting.
That is this topic du jour.

Who put you in charge on here?

In the extended 32 man squad,doubt they will make the match day.Probably be in contention for Italy.

quinsforever wrote:mate, try bringing some actual data or relevant information to the discussion rather than your very silly points.

in every match there is a favourite. in almost every match there is a winner.

statistically, even if the result is a 50:50 toss-up, the favourite wins 50% of the time.

and just to correct you on a small point, England i seem to remember were actually favourites at the 2012 match at HQ as BOTH teams were in the running for a GS, and Wales had NEVER previously sealed a triple crown at HQ.

but dont let facts get in the way of your ranting.

Oh pal, England were not favourites for the game at HQ in 2012. Nice try though . We were favourites for the Slam in 2012 and we got the Slam when you said we can't handle being favourites. What more proof that you're wrong do you need?

Taff
I was commenting on your comment on my comment about this year's odds.
Then you wandered off to sepia tinted warm memories from a year ago, but that's ok.
What do you think of this year's bookies pricing ?

Steffan wrote:

beshocked wrote:Wales are not a likeable side

What makes you say that?

Mainly because of Welsh fans.

As scrumpy and others said - the players themselves aren't bad blokes.

Can be a bit annoying when most Welsh players are labelled "world class" though.

Dan Lydiate can tackle - world class

Halfpenny is a very good goal kicker - world class

Jamie Roberts looks like Desperate dan - world class

Mike Phillips - glorified flanker - world class

Toby Faletau - cousin of the vunipola bros - world class

Jonathan Davies - better centre than BOD - world class

Alex Cuthbert - expert at outpacing a full back who was on the wing - world class

George North - a big bloke famous for picking up an Aussie - world class

Adam Jones - great hair and beard - world class

Etc.

Going to be tough for England to win.

I see we're now back to talking sh*t about Wales, nerves must be getting to some fans.

Just respecting the world class opposition.

Well this game certainly doesn't have the banter and debate of the Irish one. We haven't even filled one thread up yet!

optimist wrote:

Rugby Fan wrote:

yappysnap wrote:What's this about??

Optimist is referring to a new drill Mike Catt introduced in training. Some player apparently said they couldn't hear the calls, so Catt wants them to use their eyes more rather than rely on calls.

https://www.606v2.com/t52285-england-players-encouraged-to-pay-attention-to-what-is-happening

You'd think noise is always a problem but I thought it was worth noting Moore's observation that it seemed even louder to him last weekend.

According to the Daily Telegraph a couple of days ago, Mike Catt is using flashing disco lights of different colours, to train players to rely more on visual signals than audible ones which were drowned out by the crowd in the game against Ireland and, according to Catt, led to mistakes by some England players!

I know, I started the thread about it. It's that link just above.

 Beshocked       

Absolutely correct Gregor...just giving acknowledgment to the World class side we face on Sunday....

Chjw131 wrote:Well this game certainly doesn't have the banter and debate of the Irish one. We haven't even filled one thread up yet!

There is a number of reasons, one of which is that the Irish will tend to be able to argue about individual issues forever without getting upset, losing their sense of humor, or switching to insults when they dont like the direction things are going.

Yeah thats about the size of it LIW.

The Saint I have a lot of respect for Wales. So many world class players. It's going to be tough. We all know that it was essentially Wales who singlehandedly beat Australia on the Lions tour, the other guys from Ireland and England were there just to carry the bags and the water respectively. The Scots.....well they weren't even allowed to do that.

Player for Player Wales are far superior.  Bigger,stronger and more experienced.

Far better coaches with far more experience.

It's the equivalent of David vs Goliath.

Wales have also got the psychological edge after hammering England last year. Twickenham holds no fear for the behemoths in the Welsh side.

I am of course very nervous. Wales are just that good.

beshocked wrote:The Saint I have a lot of respect for Wales. So many world class players. It's going to be tough. We all know that it was essentially Wales who singlehandedly beat Australia on the Lions tour, the other guys from Ireland and England were there just to carry the bags and the water respectively. The Scots.....well they weren't even allowed to do that.

Player for Player Wales are far superior.  Bigger,stronger and more experienced.

Far better coaches with far more experience.

It's the equivalent of David vs Goliath.

Wales have also got the psychological edge after hammering England last year. Twickenham holds no fear for the behemoths in the Welsh side.

I am of course very nervous. Wales are just that good.

For once I am in complete agreement for you. Now if you could just stop believing Sarries are the best team in the world and Ashton is the best winger in the world, there would be nil conflict.

beshocked wrote:

Steffan wrote:

beshocked wrote:Wales are not a likeable side

What makes you say that?

Mainly because of Welsh fans.

As scrumpy and others said - the players themselves aren't bad blokes.

Can be a bit annoying when most Welsh players are labelled "world class" though.

Dan Lydiate can tackle - world class

Halfpenny is a very good goal kicker - world class

Jamie Roberts looks like Desperate dan - world class

Mike Phillips - glorified flanker - world class

Toby Faletau - cousin of the vunipola bros - world class

Jonathan Davies - better centre than BOD - world class

Alex Cuthbert - expert at outpacing a full back who was on the wing - world class

George North - a big bloke famous for picking up an Aussie - world class

Adam Jones - great hair and beard - world class

Etc.

Going to be tough for England to win.

Very good....   

The only player on that list who is 'world class' is Adam jones, and by that i mean 'was world class'.

Not North?

Saint should make a killing at 2/1.
He will trouser three times his stake with that big bet on the sure fire favourites which the bookies have so mispriced.
All around to his local   to help him celebrate   the winnings.

You missed Gethin!

World class belly flops!

He'll be on Splash next year.

The Saint wrote:

beshocked wrote:The Saint I have a lot of respect for Wales. So many world class players. It's going to be tough. We all know that it was essentially Wales who singlehandedly beat Australia on the Lions tour, the other guys from Ireland and England were there just to carry the bags and the water respectively. The Scots.....well they weren't even allowed to do that.

Player for Player Wales are far superior.  Bigger,stronger and more experienced.

Far better coaches with far more experience.

It's the equivalent of David vs Goliath.

Wales have also got the psychological edge after hammering England last year. Twickenham holds no fear for the behemoths in the Welsh side.

I am of course very nervous. Wales are just that good.

For once I am in complete agreement for you. Now if you could just stop believing Sarries are the best team in the world and Ashton is the best winger in the world, there would be nil conflict.

Sarries aren't the best team in the world, not even the best in Europe, probably top 2 in England at the moment though - top 8 in Europe would be fair in my opinion.

Ashton is not the best winger in the world, again not in Europe or in England but he's not as bad as you make out.

gregortree wrote:Taff
I was commenting on your comment on my comment about this year's odds.
Then you wandered off to sepia tinted warm memories from a year ago, but that's ok.
What do you think of this year's bookies pricing ?

Have you been drinking?
're bookies odds;hardly worth a mention really as neither team has been announced yet.

Taffineastbourne wrote:

gregortree wrote:Taff
I was commenting on your comment on my comment about this year's odds.
Then you wandered off to sepia tinted warm memories from a year ago, but that's ok.
What do you think of this year's bookies pricing ?

Have you been drinking?
're bookies odds;hardly worth a mention really as neither team has been announced yet.

Its irrelevant when the teams are named...apparently Wales have already won the game..in fact probably not worth playing it really.

Taffineastbourne wrote:

gregortree wrote:Taff
I was commenting on your comment on my comment about this year's odds.
Then you wandered off to sepia tinted warm memories from a year ago, but that's ok.
What do you think of this year's bookies pricing ?

Have you been drinking?'re bookies odds;hardly worth a mention really as neither team has been announced yet.

Taff, no, but I'll have a Doom Bar as you mention it.
And I'll buy you a   if Wales win on Sunday.

GeordieFalcon wrote:

Taffineastbourne wrote:

gregortree wrote:Taff
I was commenting on your comment on my comment about this year's odds.
Then you wandered off to sepia tinted warm memories from a year ago, but that's ok.
What do you think of this year's bookies pricing ?

Have you been drinking?
're bookies odds;hardly worth a mention really as neither team has been announced yet.

Its irrelevant when the teams are named...apparently Wales have already won the game..in fact probably not worth playing it really.

That is good news.  

Looks like I owe Taff a pint then.
I'll cancel my Twickenham day return, thanks for alerting me.

gregortree wrote:

Taffineastbourne wrote:

gregortree wrote:Taff
I was commenting on your comment on my comment about this year's odds.
Then you wandered off to sepia tinted warm memories from a year ago, but that's ok.
What do you think of this year's bookies pricing ?

Have you been drinking?'re bookies odds;hardly worth a mention really as neither team has been announced yet.

Taff, no, but I'll have a Doom Bar as you mention it.
And I'll buy you a   if Wales win on Sunday.

Stop nicking our beer.

gregortree wrote:Looks like I owe Taff a pint then.
I'll cancel my Twickenham day return, thanks for alerting me.

Well I certainly will be going.I love watching us win at HQ.

 I'll buy you a bitter Taff.