Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'x'

[It Must Be Love]

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I wouldn't mind Klopp replacing Moyes, if he does leave.

[mystiroakey]

losing at everton was the writing on the wall.

It was the way they lost, 11 days to prepare whilst everton were on there 3rd game in 8 days etc etc

Everton are better than us, no shame in losing to them - plenty of shame in the way we performed.

for me it just highlighted the reality that they are so much better under martinez and how much worse you are under moyes. he had the mini cl victory keeping the owners slightly on his side before hand. but after that - the embarrassment is to grave

[Ent]

Moyes' sacking is another indictment of the modern footballer for me. I think Sunderland players showed it and now United; they will hide behind anything to block the blame.

Don't think top players are like that, they want to play in the CL - dont think they aren't trying on purpose just because they don't like moyes.

[Ent]

Giggs as long term manager is nothing more than the knee jerkers deserve

It is not knee jerk, the man has taken a championship winning squad to 7th with 11 defeats and counting - all whilst playing rubbish football with no plan and alienating half the squad.

It is literally the worst managerial performance in the history of football.

[mystiroakey]

keep giggs on unless they can find a world class manager- no point getting a moyes no 2

[GSC]

The word that comes to mind from that post is spoilt

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Moyes' sacking is another indictment of the modern footballer for me. I think Sunderland players showed it and now United; they will hide behind anything to block the blame.

Don't think top players are like that, they want to play in the CL - dont think they aren't trying on purpose just because they don't like moyes.

They've played like wimps. He can't make them bad players, they are playing without any pride and I think a lot of them have taken it on that they won't get the blame. They would have under Fergie, its too easy not to now.

[Hammersmith harrier]

A knee jerk reaction is sacking a manager who isn't going forward, this is anything but that, we've fallen off the cliff compared to last year. A team with the attacking talent we have at our disposal should not be 7th that is all there is to it.

[Ent]

Moyes' sacking is another indictment of the modern footballer for me. I think Sunderland players showed it and now United; they will hide behind anything to block the blame.

Don't think top players are like that, they want to play in the CL - dont think they aren't trying on purpose just because they don't like moyes.

They've played like wimps. He can't make them bad players, they are playing without any pride and I think a lot of them have taken it on that they won't get the blame. They would have under Fergie, its too easy not to now.

He obviously has, the preparation isn't right.

They've looked flat and under prepared all season, no real tactical plan etc

I don't see how you think that multiple trophy winning internationals just can't be bothered with trying to win games. The elite players are of a different mindset.

[Ent]

United refusing to comment on reports he has been sacked.

Could take that either way.

[mystiroakey]

All i will remember from moyes is countlessly repeating

"we played well, we were unlucky"

It will go on his grave stone

[Guest]

way out of depth, clueless, tactically inept, poor signings in position that didnt need filling, breaking stats left right & centre for defeats etc & just simply cant be trusted to spend £100m+ on a rebuild. time to go & now united have time to properly focus on replacing him with someone credible.

[Liam]

Thank god that's all i'll say. I like David Moyes, he's an honest, hard working man but was just way out oh his depth. His training methods, tactics and decision making has shown him not up to the standard required to succeed at a big club i'm afraid.

Give Giggs the reigns until the end of the season. he can do as he pleases really and bring back some of the training methods seen under Fergie. Then hopefully we can bring in Klopp (my preference) or as its been reported, van gaal but klopp would be my choice, especially with the way Bayern have monopolised the Bundesliga. What a challenge for Klopp to come to utd and rebuild. He's the perfect fit for utd.

[Hammersmith harrier]

If we went for Klopp I can see exactly how discussions would go, we want you to take over next season but could you have a word with Gundogan and Reus while you're still there.

[The Special Juan]

Wildcard - Gary Neville for the job.

[mystiroakey]

Gary Neville loves being the media darling - he wont give that up!

He has a huge future in TV

[Bull]

Klopp for United said this earlier.

[Ent]

If we went for Klopp I can see exactly how discussions would go, we want you to take over next season but could you have a word with Gundogan and Reus while you're still there.

Lol.

As for Gary Neville, no.

Do a proper recruitment process and interview people, lets get someone competent for the job.

[Liam]

He's got no coaching experience. Big difference between being a pundit and managing manchester united Juan.

We should go all out for Klopp. Offer him the chance to spend allot of money of players he wants to be part of the rebuilding of the squad. Instantly, I could see Reus and Hummells joining, and him possibly giving Kagawa back to Dortmund as a sort of goodbye present to the fans.

[Ent]

Getting ahead of ourselves here, he's not officially gone yet. Plus Dortmund have a cup final to get ready for.

Neville coaches England and has his badges, unlike Phil who managed to get a coaching job at united... Still Neville shouldn't be manager.

[Hammersmith harrier]

He's got no coaching experience. Big difference between being a pundit and managing manchester united Juan.

We should go all out for Klopp. Offer him the chance to spend allot of money of players he wants to be part of the rebuilding of the squad. Instantly, I could see Reus and Hummells joining, and him possibly giving Kagawa back to Dortmund as a sort of goodbye present to the fans.

Of all the attacking players we could get rid of, Kagawa is pretty far down the list, Young, Nani and Valencia are all more likely departures, still don't understand the thinking that a player who was there two years is still a massive fan favourite, think they may have moved on by now.

[The Special Juan]

He's got no coaching experience. Big difference between being a pundit and managing manchester united Juan.

We should go all out for Klopp. Offer him the chance to spend allot of money of players he wants to be part of the rebuilding of the squad. Instantly, I could see Reus and Hummells joining, and him possibly giving Kagawa back to Dortmund as a sort of goodbye present to the fans.

He's Roy's assistant but point taken. I think he'd be good tactically.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Just think if Fergie had retired a few years earlier we would probably have ended up with Bruce or Hughes, a far worse situation.

[mystiroakey]

what about Simone?

He is a manager that understands the basics.

not sure how well Klopp will do over here to be honest

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Moyes' next job is Toon or West Ham, seems likely to me.

[mystiroakey]

Moyes' next job is Toon or West Ham, seems likely to me.

Well dolph- you did say you would snap your hands of for him!!

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Phil Townsend, director of comms at #mufc tells @JohnSinnott “Nothing has happened at all. I don’t know where the suggestion has come from.”

[Ent]

Just think if Fergie had retired a few years earlier we would probably have ended up with Bruce or Hughes, a far worse situation.

No one else could have done this badly.

[Guest]

Moyes' next job is Toon or West Ham, seems likely to me.

A sabbatical might not be a bad idea.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him wind back up at Everton in a couple of years.

[FootballLight]

That's a source from Twitter though. Man United won't have sacked Moyes, not after that defeat anyway. They will certainly give him the summer to improve on the squad I would have thought.

As long as he can sit down with the board and Chairman, work out a suitable budget and be able to achieve his targets this summer, United should be ok for next season. But I don't even think he needs to actually buy any players that are under the bracket "world class" or anyone for ridiculous amounts of money actually. Kroos would be fantastic to sign at £40m, but, he is another playmaker in a central midfield position, although that could be seen as good, where does he fit in there?

If he can achieve a solid full back, maybe someone like Filipe Luis or Domenico Criscito might do, and another back-up, he's all sorted in the full back department. A centre back would be useful as well, although maybe not pivotal as Jones and Evans could be the new solid pairing for me.

In terms of a midfielder, for me they just need someone who can link up the play, use his passing to keep the game ticking over and be a good all-round midfielder, like Giggs against Olympiakos. In that position though, there are few and far between, but there will be some gem out there that he could sign I'd bet. Although then again, I believe that Fletcher and Carrick could still do a good job for United in that midfield position for another couple of years I'd say. It's just, Cleverley and Fellaini just don't seem to be able to fill there positions in the tam. They maybe need someone that could just fill either of there positions. Someone like Vann M'Vila (been in the news of a move recently) would fit the bill maybe there.

I do also think they need another wide midfielder really. Januzaj isn't a real winger at all, he is more of an inside forward or an attacking midfielder for me. Nani and Young are really just deadwood that they could get a decent £30m between both of them. I don't see the problem with someone like Yarmolenko really, would do an excellent job on the right wing for sure. On the left wing, Danny of Zenit or Nicolas Gaitan could sure do a really good job for them actually. That would all but sort their team then for me. There is still some decent one's, even then.

I'd think this team would be able to get into Europe personally.

-----------------------------De Gea-----------------------------
-----Rafael--------Jones---------------Evans------Criscito/Filipe---
----------------------Carrick--------Fletcher---------------------
---Yarmolenko------Rooney/Kagawa/Januzaj------Danny/Gaitan----
------------------------Van Persie/Roney--------------------------

Then, for me, I'd think that team would easily be able to achieve European football, but it should make Champions League football over Arsenal. It would just depend on how they would gel together. But I don't think Moyes will do that over the course of the season, not a chance.

[Fernando]

what about Simone?

He is a manager that understands the basics.

not sure how well Klopp will do over here to be honest

This is something ive considered Mysti. Diego seems to keep his team extremely fit and motivated when it comes to big games over a season an outside shot could be Guardiola as extreme as it sounds Bayern fans not that keen on his playing style.

[Guest]

He's got no coaching experience. Big difference between being a pundit and managing manchester united Juan.

We should go all out for Klopp. Offer him the chance to spend allot of money of players he wants to be part of the rebuilding of the squad. Instantly, I could see Reus and Hummells joining, and him possibly giving Kagawa back to Dortmund as a sort of goodbye present to the fans.

Of course we're all talking in ifs and buts here but IF we do sack Mopyes and IF Klopp was the one who was chosen to replace him there is no way that he would let Kagawa go

You're talking about the person who come out in an interview and said it was a tragedy to see Kagawa not being utilised properly (and this was under Ferguson), this is the manager who got the best out of him and got Kagawa playing to a standard were he tore Bayern Munich apart. Absolutely no chance he'd pass up the chance of coaching him again

[Ent]

what about Simone?

He is a manager that understands the basics.

not sure how well Klopp will do over here to be honest

Yes I think the bundesliga teams leave a lot of space to be exploited, mightn't be as good here.

[mystiroakey]

How bad can it get for Man U fans.


The joy they just felt that moyes was sacked could be a wind up . LOL

Moyes is still your manager lads.


(I think he has gone tbh. no way can he stay, but nothing official)

[Guest]

That's a source from Twitter though. Man United won't have sacked Moyes, not after that defeat anyway. They will certainly give him the summer to improve on the squad I would have thought.

As long as he can sit down with the board and Chairman, work out a suitable budget and be able to achieve his targets this summer, United should be ok for next season. But I don't even think he needs to actually buy any players that are under the bracket "world class" or anyone for ridiculous amounts of money actually. Kroos would be fantastic to sign at £40m, but, he is another playmaker in a central midfield position, although that could be seen as good, where does he fit in there?

If he can achieve a solid full back, maybe someone like Filipe Luis or Domenico Criscito might do, and another back-up, he's all sorted in the full back department. A centre back would be useful as well, although maybe not pivotal as Jones and Evans could be the new solid pairing for me.

In terms of a midfielder, for me they just need someone who can link up the play, use his passing to keep the game ticking over and be a good all-round midfielder, like Giggs against Olympiakos. In that position though, there are few and far between, but there will be some gem out there that he could sign I'd bet. Although then again, I believe that Fletcher and Carrick could still do a good job for United in that midfield position for another couple of years I'd say. It's just, Cleverley and Fellaini just don't seem to be able to fill there positions in the tam. They maybe need someone that could just fill either of there positions. Someone like Vann M'Vila (been in the news of a move recently) would fit the bill maybe there.

I do also think they need another wide midfielder really. Januzaj isn't a real winger at all, he is more of an inside forward or an attacking midfielder for me. Nani and Young are really just deadwood that they could get a decent £30m between both of them. I don't see the problem with someone like Yarmolenko really, would do an excellent job on the right wing for sure. On the left wing, Danny of Zenit or Nicolas Gaitan could sure do a really good job for them actually. That would all but sort their team then for me. There is still some decent one's, even then.

I'd think this team would be able to get into Europe personally.

-----------------------------De Gea-----------------------------
-----Rafael--------Jones---------------Evans------Criscito/Filipe---
----------------------Carrick--------Fletcher---------------------
---Yarmolenko------Rooney/Kagawa/Januzaj------Danny/Gaitan----
------------------------Van Persie/Roney--------------------------

Then, for me, I'd think that team would easily be able to achieve European football, but it should make Champions League football over Arsenal. It would just depend on how they would gel together. But I don't think Moyes will do that over the course of the season, not a chance.

Still Carrick and Fletcher in the middle where the team has been criticised the most???

Not a chance

[Guest]

Moyes @ Toon......where's the rope? I think Ashley has eyes on having Sherwood.

Danny.....that old boy from Zenit, basically money motivated? Gaitan has never impressed me on the big stage. Yarmolenko is the worse option out of him & Konoplyanka. Carrick & Fletcher, another year older in central areas.....good luck. Rafael at right back.....oh dear.

[Ent]

Moyes @ Toon......where's the rope? I think Ashley has eyes on having Sherwood.

Danny.....that old boy from Zenit, basically money motivated? Gaitan has never impressed me on the big stage. Yarmolenko is the worse option out of him & Konoplyanka. Carrick & Fletcher, another year older in central areas.....good luck. Rafael at right back.....oh dear.

Yeah I didn't even think it was worth replying to that, bit too much football manager.

[FootballLight]

You need to watch a little bit more football abroad then. Thinking that German teams leave themselves exploited? Bayern, the best team in the world, Dortmund, last years finalists? Yeah, very much leaving themselves exploited there.

Danny, top class.
Gaitan hasn't impressed you? Best player in Portugal this year for me.
Yarmolenko causes problems, did you not watch England vs Ukraine in the WCQ?
Never mentioned Konoplayanka.

I don't think that's football manager at all actually. Think thats the natural beauty of quality talent at cheap prices for me.

[Liam]

I don't want kagawa to leave. Just feel he is wasted out on the left and can't play to his full potential. At the same time, Mata needs to play 10 unless he doesn't play to his full potential. Maybe a better manager could sort that problem out however.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Moyes @ Toon......where's the rope? I think Ashley has eyes on having Sherwood.

Danny.....that old boy from Zenit, basically money motivated? Gaitan has never impressed me on the big stage. Yarmolenko is the worse option out of him & Konoplyanka. Carrick & Fletcher, another year older in central areas.....good luck. Rafael at right back.....oh dear.

You WANT Sherwood? If you want him over Moyes, John, then I'll never respect a word you say ever again.

I think Newcastle would be lucky to have a manager like Moyes...

[Liam]

Man utd say he will learn his fate in the next 24 hours. Should just put the poor man out his misery today rather than drag it out, although it may be because they're sorting out contract details and compensation issues etc.

[compelling and rich]

klopp would be my choice, just love the way his team plays

we know there needed to be a season of transition and even if we were struggling under klopp at least he will be trying to change the way we play and bring his own style in. that was the worst thing about moyes, it was just terrible football that was totally aimless and going nowhere

to be fair, after the season weve just had i'll be happy with anybody else thats not moyes. i'd resigned myself to at least another half a season under moyes

[Guest]

Ashley wants Sherwood apparently, not me. I'm backing Pardew to turn things around, given the backing this summer.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Ashley wants Sherwood apparently, not me. I'm backing Pardew to turn things around, given the backing this summer.

Phew!   again

[Liam]

The 'delay' in announcing his sacking is due to the NY stock exchange apparently. They need to give them advance warning so assuming they'll wait until it closes then announce the inevitable.

[compelling and rich]

sherwoods a clown, hasnt got the brain to be a top class manager

[FootballLight]

The tabloids are saying that United are set to sack Moyes.

That sentence tells you all you need to know that this time tomorrow, we will be debating just where this story came from, who made it up and why it was made up. Then we will be back to Moyes' replacement at United come this time whenever. I tell you, he will have at least the summer I'd bet to improve and next season as well. They board would be foolish not to give him that anyway.

I'm not saying he has done good this season, not by any stretch of an imagination. But, the board and fans should know by now, next season can only be more positive. This season has been as bad as it will get for United, they won't get any worse from this season. So give him the summer to help build, yes help, not to fully successfully build, just to build up on a position or maybe 2 with some money, not all 4/5 places that need filling, give him next season and let the players gel together, improve on points/position/results/less defeats etc. Then build again this time next year on another couple of positions, let them gel, improve on that season etc.

If United sack Moyes before the summer, it will really be a foolish decision to make. Plus, according to tabloids, they've said they refused to comment. Doesn't that mean it's a 50-50 split unknown decision? Not, "he will be sacked"? He will very well be staying I'm guessing.

[compelling and rich]

the only foolish thing to do would be to keep him longer when he's clearly out of his depth. we cant afford to give him even more money to waste.

just because if cant get any worse next season isnt a good enough reason for him to keep his job

[FootballLight]

I think the only reason to sack him (if they do for some strange reason) is that the boards excuse would be that the players haven't performed for him because of his management skills, which has lead to this position. The only way he would lose his job is because the players haven't performed for him. That's really it for me. Or maybe panic buying on poor players, but that ties into underperforming under Moyes again though. Not enough for me.

The only reason it isn't enough to sack him because, like I said, it can only be positive from here and it just needs time.

[Guest]

I don't understand your posts FootballLight

[Dolphin Ziggler]

The tabloids are saying that United are set to sack Moyes..

Its not just the tabloids. Its all of them, plus Sky and BBC.

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