Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'x'

by It Must Be Love Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:20 pm

First topic message reminder :

I wouldn't mind Klopp replacing Moyes, if he does leave.

by compelling and rich Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:13 pm

betting suspended on him getting the boot

better had be true after all this, actually got me excited about next season if he has gone. all season ive been miserable

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:13 pm

BBC Five Live reporting United have said Moyes has "not been sacked". Slightly different to wont be sacked

by GSC Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:14 pm

Good luck to whomever takes over, dealing with out of whack expectations for a rapidly declining squad

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:15 pm

Best job in the world. Get to be the man who follows the man who followed Fergie. Especially as they'll be following a man deemed as a failure.

by GSC Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:15 pm

The silence is deafening, he'll be gone shortly

by Ent Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:16 pm

FootballLight wrote:You need to watch a little bit more football abroad then. Thinking that German teams leave themselves exploited? Bayern, the best team in the world, Dortmund, last years finalists? Yeah, very much leaving themselves exploited there.

Danny, top class.
Gaitan hasn't impressed you? Best player in Portugal this year for me.
Yarmolenko causes problems, did you not watch England vs Ukraine in the WCQ?
Never mentioned Konoplayanka.

I don't think that's football manager at all actually. Think thats the natural beauty of quality talent at cheap prices for me.

The other teams in Germany, the bundesliga is a very open league.

Danny is 30, done his cruciate twice and isn't great - cost Zenit 30 million euros, wont be cheap.

Gaitan isn't a particularly impressive player, no better than what we have out wide.

by FootballLight Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:21 pm

Age is just a number. Look at Gerrard, Lampard etc. Still are class players, even for there age. Danny isn't any different imo.

Bayer leverkusen, good attacking side. Schalke etc. A very good league to be playing in. The only way of defending now is to attack really. That is really the definition of defensive football these days.

by compelling and rich Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:22 pm

whoever does take over has very little pressure, no proper european football where he can rest most of his first team and cant possibly do as bad as moyes. anything other than what moyes has thrown up this season is going to seem like a massive improvement

by It Must Be Love Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:24 pm

Hearing reports that Ferguson is suggesting Alex McLeish as the new manager to take United forward.

by Ent Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:26 pm

FootballLight wrote:Age is just a number. Look at Gerrard, Lampard etc. Still are class players, even for there age. Danny isn't any different imo.

Bayer leverkusen, good attacking side. Schalke etc. A very good league to be playing in. The only way of defending now is to attack really. That is really the definition of defensive football these days.

Yeah they had both been playing in England for a decade and adapted their games. Danny has been playing in Russia for 10 years, no guarantee he would adjust quickly. He'd be 31 before the season starts, had 2 serious knee injuries etc etc

It is a really stupid suggestion.

Leverkusen and Shalke both got absolutely hammered in the CL and Leverkusen sacked their manager recently. It is a good league but it is very open, it will be very different managing in the PL - no guarantees it will work.

by Guest Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:29 pm

GSC wrote:Good luck to whomever takes over, dealing with out of whack expectations for a rapidly declining squad

I don't think top four for the reigning champions is out of whack expectation, nobody said he better win the league or better win the champions league or else. If he had come and got that top four spot we wouldn't be having this conversation now, if he'd have come in and established a game plan we wouldn't be having this conversation now. If he'd have come in and managed to work with the players to inspire them and motivate them (even if we lost a few along the way) we wouldn't be having this conversation now

I have zero sympathy for him. The fact he has inherited a declining squad is irrelevent, he didn't take over United on the eve of the Transfer window closing, he took over 1st June giving him 3 full months to sign players, I get that Woodward let him down but Moyes should still have manned up and told it like it was to get players instead of waiting till the last minute and signing a tree for 5 times more than he's worth. Then after halfteh season we have another transfer window and he signs a player who at the time could only be described as a luxury instead of a neccessity. I honestly fear what this moron could do with £150m plus

by It Must Be Love Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:30 pm

I'll do a poll as soon as I get 3-4 suggestions:
https://www.606v2.com/t53306-if-moyes-is-sacked-who-should-be-next-united-manager

by mystiroakey Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:31 pm

just take the bookies favs

by Guest Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:32 pm

Moyes all season - 'I've been given the nod by these agents that these players want to join'

No mate you haven't, you've just been given the nod you've been sacked.

by FootballLight Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:34 pm

Starlight wrote:Hearing reports that Ferguson is suggesting Alex McLeish as the new manager to take United forward.

by Ent Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:41 pm

gazzyD wrote:
GSC wrote:Good luck to whomever takes over, dealing with out of whack expectations for a rapidly declining squad

I don't think top four for the reigning champions is out of whack expectation, nobody said he better win the league or better win the champions league or else. If he had come and got that top four spot we wouldn't be having this conversation now, if he'd have come in and established a game plan we wouldn't be having this conversation now. If he'd have come in and managed to work with the players to inspire them and motivate them (even if we lost a few along the way) we wouldn't be having this conversation now

I have zero sympathy for him. The fact he has inherited a declining squad is irrelevent, he didn't take over United on the eve of the Transfer window closing, he took over 1st June giving him 3 full months to sign players, I get that Woodward let him down but Moyes should still have manned up and told it like it was to get players instead of waiting till the last minute and signing a tree for 5 times more than he's worth. Then after halfteh season we have another transfer window and he signs a player who at the time could only be described as a luxury instead of a neccessity. I honestly fear what this moron could do with £150m plus

I agree with you, professionally I don't feel sorry for him but personally I do. 10 years grinding with Everton to position himself in line for a big job flushed down the toilet in under a year, he's 50 and will never get another big job. What do you do with your life now?

by J.Benson II Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:43 pm

Starlight wrote:Hearing reports that Ferguson is suggesting Alex McLeish as the new manager to take United forward.

Hard working Scotsman. Therefore, ticks all the right boxes for Fergie.

Laugh

by Liam Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:46 pm

I don't think Fergie will be invited to give his opinion this time on who should be next utd boss haha.

by Ent Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:52 pm

Liam wrote:I don't think Fergie will be invited to give his opinion this time on who should be next utd boss haha.

Well he wanted mourinho. Charlton vetoed him.

by Liam Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:58 pm

Probably because Mourinho only has shot term spells at clubs. Obviously Charlton didn't want him to come in just for 3/4 seasons but I think Mourinho would love to build a legacy at OT. The one job I think he'd happily stay on for more than 5/6 seasons. Just feel he's gone to Chelsea because he couldn't get the OT job.

by Ent Mon Apr 21, 2014 5:00 pm

Mourinho wanted his own backroom staff, that and the fact he is a bit naughty at times meant Charlton said no. Moyes then came in and sacked all the backroom staff.

Good decision lads.

Nothing wrong with the manager post Fergie only being there a few years, takes the edge off for a long term manager.

by Hammersmith harrier Mon Apr 21, 2014 5:42 pm

I wouldn't have wanted Mourinho, it's not all about quick success, there is also the necessity to keep the clubs name out of the mud which he'd have failed to do.

by Ent Mon Apr 21, 2014 5:47 pm

Hows the clubs name looking now? Embarassing transfer window, all loyal staff sacked, manager looks like hes going to get the boot after 10 months.

But oh no we can't have mourinho messing about on the sidelines and trying to be clever in interviews.

by Hammersmith harrier Mon Apr 21, 2014 5:49 pm

The clubs name is looking just fine, you seem to be confusing failing with embarrassing the club with childish antics, if you want quick success then all power to you.

by FootballLight Mon Apr 21, 2014 5:51 pm

I actually thought Mourinho would have suited United really well building up to this season. But then again, it was never going to happen was it really. I only thought this because Mourinho uses his players to grind teams down and win games, but low scoring. It doesn't do great for goal difference, but he knows how to keep clean sheets or only concede few goals, so it does build up eventually. But then again, it doesn't always work. But, it's about always putting pressure on your opponents, tiring them out, using the stamina of his own players to make the opposition work hard to try and win the ball, tiring them out in the process and Chelsea can hit when teams are slacking and are getting tired. Again, doesn't always work, but it is a useful strategy and as we have found out this season, works more often than not, because he did it at Man City, where normally he likes to make it tight at his own end away from home and make it difficult for the opposition to break them down. Again, good strategy. The only down sides to it is that it doesn't always work against hard working and very fit opposition and it isn't the most pleasant way to play football. But certainly for United this season, that would have been enough for at least 4th place I'd imagine. Moyes should think about this tactic for next season imo.

As much as Mourinho likes to wind people up, you can't argue against the fact that it works, can you? They are still (just about) in a title race, they've performed well throughout the course of the season and have been consistent. All the things that United haven't done on the pitch this season. If United had that element of Mourinho which makes his side successful this season, then we could have seen Arsenal out of the top 4 for the first time in quite a while.

by Hammersmith harrier Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:00 pm

It's failed spectacularly this year and it failed spectacularly when he went up against Ferguson and Benitez had the upper hand in European football. A lot is said of his mind games but they simply don't work, Pep had the upper hand in Spain as well.

by FootballLight Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:14 pm

The only failure in it this season is that Chelsea most likely now, unless they beat Liverpool, will not win the league. Which obviously for them this season was the golden ticket in the positions they have been in, without doubt. But, looking at Moyes' and United's position now, and what fans expected at the start of the season, at least top 4, looking on how that has succeeded for Mourinho as well this season, would have been a bad tactic for Moyes to use with the quality of his players? No, it would have worked find for at least 4th position this season.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:17 pm

GSC wrote:Good luck to whomever takes over, dealing with out of whack expectations for a rapidly declining squad

I'm sorry but I think Utd fans can expect a little better than 7th and constant abysmal performances especially against the top teams

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:18 pm

However please please please don't sack him before Saturday, please

We need the points

by Liam Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:20 pm

Absolutely olly. There's losing in big games and then there's the manner in which we lost. It was tactics that mainly lost us the big games this season. Yes the squad needs some investment but the players out there were still good enough to win a game, particularly at home, against the top sides. We didn't even look like winning one against city arsenal and Liverpool, and after 10 mins in eAch one you could see that there was no game plan, just seemed he sent them out without instruction, or the instructions he gave them were just plain wrong.

by Liam Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:21 pm

It says allot about how far back he's taken us when I can honestly see Norwich coming to old Trafford confident of getting something, no offence meant olly

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:31 pm

*lumps on Moyes to be next Villa manager*

by Hammersmith harrier Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:39 pm

FootballLight wrote:The only failure in it this season is that Chelsea most likely now, unless they beat Liverpool, will not win the league. Which obviously for them this season was the golden ticket in the positions they have been in, without doubt. But, looking at Moyes' and United's position now, and what fans expected at the start of the season, at least top 4, looking on how that has succeeded for Mourinho as well this season, would have been a bad tactic for Moyes to use with the quality of his players? No, it would have worked find for at least 4th position this season.

More in reference to his mind games, they have never worked and they never will, he's just a spoilt kid who gives the media something to talk about, don't think another manager has ever really been concerned by them other than Pellegrini.

When he's got more money to spend than everyone else he succeeds but even then he found himself on the receiving end of Fergusons brilliance and got himself sacked first time around. Pep had by far the better of things during his time in Spain and when in Italy it was such a poor league he did exactly what was expected.

by NickisBHAFC Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:13 pm

You know he hasn't been sacked yet people lol

by Fernando Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:18 pm

It won't be until after 9pm if he does get Sacked due to American Stock Exchange Rules.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:21 pm

"Getting sacked when the stock exchange opens, sacked when the stock exchange opens, you're getting sacked when the stock exchange opens" music

by Fernando Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:30 pm

Olly wrote: "Getting sacked when the stock exchange opens, sacked when the stock exchange opens, you're getting sacked when the stock exchange opens"

*closes

It's open from 9am to 4pm in America Whistle

by FootballLight Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:37 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
FootballLight wrote:The only failure in it this season is that Chelsea most likely now, unless they beat Liverpool, will not win the league. Which obviously for them this season was the golden ticket in the positions they have been in, without doubt. But, looking at Moyes' and United's position now, and what fans expected at the start of the season, at least top 4, looking on how that has succeeded for Mourinho as well this season, would have been a bad tactic for Moyes to use with the quality of his players? No, it would have worked find for at least 4th position this season.
More in reference to his mind games, they have never worked and they never will, he's just a spoilt kid who gives the media something to talk about, don't think another manager has ever really been concerned by them other than Pellegrini.

When he's got more money to spend than everyone else he succeeds but even then he found himself on the receiving end of Fergusons brilliance and got himself sacked first time around. Pep had by far the better of things during his time in Spain and when in Italy it was such a poor league he did exactly what was expected.

His mind games do get quite annoying and Moyes isn't one to handle the media that way. He is very open about his mistakes and good performances to the media. Which isn't a bad thing at all. I never said he had to change his press conferences.

But what's more important is the fact that many times this season, Mourinho has won games because of his very smart tactics. Look at the Man City away win for example. He had a go at them, got the fans and players agitated, attacked them when they were most vulnerable and collected the 3 points. After there goal though, they knew City were shell-shocked and agitated, so it was comfortable enough for them to control the game, defend deep and successfully, put pressure on to kill the game off and get the 3 points.

by J.Benson II Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:43 pm

Writing has been on the wall for months. I think the loss way back to WBA at OT earlier in the season suggested that Moyes might be out of his depth. By the New Year, it really started looking obvious.
The issue with Moyes was his mentality - making comments such as "we will try to make it as difficult for them as we can" before a home game against Newcastle showed his mid-tier mindset.

United got a few winning runs together but they only came against lower placed teams. Everytime United played a decent side they would fail to impress and lose. Only 3 goals scored in the ten games against the top 5 and 2 of them were on set pieces.
The only misfortune he had was that United's best player last season was a crock this one. Even then, it still shouldn't have been the difference between first and seventh.

The reason why Moyes needs to go now is that even if he turns things round next season, he would have spent +160m on top of a title winning squad to have done so. Moyes would end up getting credit which he quite frankly wouldn't have deserved.
He can now get back to managing a mid tier team, and will probably be successful at that level as he was with Everton.

by **Hero** Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:45 pm

Fernando wrote:
Olly wrote: "Getting sacked when the stock exchange opens, sacked when the stock exchange opens, you're getting sacked when the stock exchange opens"

*closes It's open from 9am to 4pm in America

It's Easter Monday, is it open?

by Hammersmith harrier Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:47 pm

FootballLight wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
FootballLight wrote:The only failure in it this season is that Chelsea most likely now, unless they beat Liverpool, will not win the league. Which obviously for them this season was the golden ticket in the positions they have been in, without doubt. But, looking at Moyes' and United's position now, and what fans expected at the start of the season, at least top 4, looking on how that has succeeded for Mourinho as well this season, would have been a bad tactic for Moyes to use with the quality of his players? No, it would have worked find for at least 4th position this season.
More in reference to his mind games, they have never worked and they never will, he's just a spoilt kid who gives the media something to talk about, don't think another manager has ever really been concerned by them other than Pellegrini.

When he's got more money to spend than everyone else he succeeds but even then he found himself on the receiving end of Fergusons brilliance and got himself sacked first time around. Pep had by far the better of things during his time in Spain and when in Italy it was such a poor league he did exactly what was expected.

His mind games do get quite annoying and Moyes isn't one to handle the media that way. He is very open about his mistakes and good performances to the media. Which isn't a bad thing at all. I never said he had to change his press conferences.

But what's more important is the fact that many times this season, Mourinho has won games because of his very smart tactics. Look at the Man City away win for example. He had a go at them, got the fans and players agitated, attacked them when they were most vulnerable and collected the 3 points. After there goal though, they knew City were shell-shocked and agitated, so it was comfortable enough for them to control the game, defend deep and successfully, put pressure on to kill the game off and get the 3 points.

Don't think his mind games played a part in that, he's tactically good but he's too defensive to go on a run like Liverpool or City have at stages this season, they're vulnerable against teams who will sit deep and defend.

by Fernando Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:49 pm

Hero wrote:
Fernando wrote:
Olly wrote: "Getting sacked when the stock exchange opens, sacked when the stock exchange opens, you're getting sacked when the stock exchange opens"

*closes It's open from 9am to 4pm in America

It's Easter Monday, is it open?

Yes. They only close for Good Friday over Easter.

by FootballLight Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:53 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
FootballLight wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:
FootballLight wrote:The only failure in it this season is that Chelsea most likely now, unless they beat Liverpool, will not win the league. Which obviously for them this season was the golden ticket in the positions they have been in, without doubt. But, looking at Moyes' and United's position now, and what fans expected at the start of the season, at least top 4, looking on how that has succeeded for Mourinho as well this season, would have been a bad tactic for Moyes to use with the quality of his players? No, it would have worked find for at least 4th position this season.
More in reference to his mind games, they have never worked and they never will, he's just a spoilt kid who gives the media something to talk about, don't think another manager has ever really been concerned by them other than Pellegrini.

When he's got more money to spend than everyone else he succeeds but even then he found himself on the receiving end of Fergusons brilliance and got himself sacked first time around. Pep had by far the better of things during his time in Spain and when in Italy it was such a poor league he did exactly what was expected.

His mind games do get quite annoying and Moyes isn't one to handle the media that way. He is very open about his mistakes and good performances to the media. Which isn't a bad thing at all. I never said he had to change his press conferences.

But what's more important is the fact that many times this season, Mourinho has won games because of his very smart tactics. Look at the Man City away win for example. He had a go at them, got the fans and players agitated, attacked them when they were most vulnerable and collected the 3 points. After there goal though, they knew City were shell-shocked and agitated, so it was comfortable enough for them to control the game, defend deep and successfully, put pressure on to kill the game off and get the 3 points.
Don't think his mind games played a part in that, he's tactically good but he's too defensive to go on a run like Liverpool or City have at stages this season, they're vulnerable against teams who will sit deep and defend.

I'll agree with you there. Btw, I was saying that his mind games wasn't a factor against City when they won. But yes, they are too defensive sometimes and when they grind teams down, they don't leave it late, they wait until gaps appear, they become vulnerable and that's when they create the openings. But, then again, although it maybe isn't title credentials (although it might well be), it still puts them in a good position in the league all over and it also does help massively in the CL. Something Moyes could think about.

by Fernando Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:57 pm

Man City: Hart, Zabaleta, Kompany, Demichelis, Clichy, Fernandinho, Javi Garcia, Silva, Nasri, Dzeko, Aguero. Subs: Richards, Lescott, Milner, Negredo, Kolarov, Pantilimon, Jovetic.

West Brom: Foster, Billy Jones, Dawson, Olsson, Ridgewell, Mulumbu, Brunt, Amalfitano, Sessegnon, Dorrans, Vydra. Subs: Reid, Yacob, Morrison, Myhill, Lugano, Anichebe, Berahino.

Referee: Phil Dowd (Staffordshire).

by Fernando Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:07 pm

Citeh 1-0 WBA - Zabaleta

by Fernando Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:11 pm

Man City 2-0 WBA - Aguerooooooooooooo (Bet that brings back even worse thoughts for United fans)

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:12 pm

Ben Foster lolz

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:16 pm

GG Dorrans. Little luck but a lot of class

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:17 pm

What a wonderful goal by Dorrans

by **Hero** Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:20 pm

Fernando wrote:Man City 2-0 WBA - Aguerooooooooooooo (Bet that brings back even worse thoughts for United fans)

It's a hard call, but I'd prefer City winning the league over Liverpool.

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