Scotland Summer Tour, Game 3: Argentina v Scotland, 21 June

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Argentina v Scotland  
20 June 2014, KO: 16:10 ART (20:10 BST)
Estadio Mario Alberto Kempes, Córdoba
 
Live on Sky Sports 3
 
Referee: John Lacey (Ire)
Assistant referees: Pascal Gauzère (Fra), Lourens van der Merwe (SA)
TMO: Deon van Blommenstein (SA)
 
A. Teams:
 
I. Argentina

1- Bruno Postiglioni (La Plata)
2- Julián Montoya (Newman)
3- Matías Díaz (Highlanders)
4- Manuel Carizza (Stormers)
5- Matías Alemanno (Tablada)
6- Rodrigo Báez (Liceo)
7- Javier Ortega Desio (Parana)
8- Tomás De la Vega (CUBA)

9- Tomás Cubelli (capitán) (Belgrano)
10- Nicolás Sánchez (Bordeaux Begles)
11- Manuel Montero (Pucurá)
12- Santiago González Iglesias (Alumni)
13- Matías Orlando (Huirapuca)
14- Santiago Cordero (Regatas)
15- Lucas González Amorosino (Oyonnax)

16- Santiago Iglesias Valdez (Uni Tucumán)
17- Lucas Noguera Paz (Lince RC)
18- Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro (NG Dragons)
19- Tomás Lavanini (La Plata)
20- Antonio Ahualli de Chazal (Uni Tucumán)
21- Martín Landajo (C.A.S.I.)
22- Matías Moroni (CUBA)
23- Joaquín Tuculet (Bordeaux Begles)

II. Scotland

15 Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors) 22 caps, 5 tries, 1 penalty, 28 points
14 Sean Maitland (Glasgow Warriors) 11 caps, 1 try, 5 points
13 Nick De Luca (Biarritz) 41 caps, 1 try, 5 points
12 Peter Horne (Glasgow Warriors) 3 caps
11 Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors) 8 caps, 3 tries, 15 points
 
10 Duncan Weir (Glasgow Warriors) 13 caps, 1 try, 3 conversions, 1 penalty, 1 drop-goal, 17 points
9 Grayson Hart (Edinburgh Rugby) 1 cap
 
1 Alasdair Dickinson (Edinburgh Rugby) 34 caps, 2 tries, 10 points
2 Ross Ford (Edinburgh Rugby) 75 caps, 2 tries, 10 points
3 Geoff Cross (London Irish) 30 caps, 1 try, 5 points
4 Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors) 3 caps
5 Grant Gilchrist (Edinburgh Rugby) 6 caps, 1 try, 5 points CAPTAIN
6 Robert Harley (Glasgow Warriors) 4 caps, 1 try, 5 points
7 Blair Cowan (London Irish) 2 caps
8 Kieran Low (London Irish) 3 caps
 
16 Pat MacArthur (Glasgow Warriors) 5 caps
17 Gordon Reid (Glasgow Warriors) 2 caps
18 Jon Welsh (Glasgow Warriors) 2 caps
19 Tim Swinson (Glasgow Warriors) 7 caps
20 Chris Fusaro (Glasgow Warriors) 2 caps
21 Henry Pyrgos (Glasgow Warriors) 10 caps, 1 try, 5 points
22 Tom Heathcote (Edinburgh Rugby) 3 caps
23 Dougie Fife (Edinburgh Rugby) 1 cap
 
B. Numbers - head to head:
 
13 Played 13
9 Won 4
4 Lost 9
247 Points 218
 
C. Results
 
25 September 2011
Wellington Regional Stadium, Wellington
13 – 12 to Argentina
2011 Rugby World Cup
 
19 June 2010
Estadio José María Minella, Mar del Plata
9 – 13 to Scotland
2010 Scottish tour of Argentina
 
12 June 2010
Estadio José Fierro, Tucumán
16 – 24 to Scotland
2010 Scottish tour of Argentina
 
28 November 2009
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
6 – 9 to Argentina
 
2009 Autumn International
14 June 2008
Vélez Sársfield, Buenos Aires
14 – 26 to Scotland
 
2008 Scottish tour of Argentina
7 June 2008
Gigante de Arroyito, Rosario
21 – 15 to Argentina
 
7 October 2007
Stade de France, Saint-Denis
19 – 13 to Argentina
2007 Rugby World Cup
 
12 November 2005
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
19 – 23 to Argentina
2005 Autumn International
 
18 November 2001
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
16 – 25 to Argentina
 
21 August 1999
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
22 – 31 to Argentina
 
11 June 1994
Estadio Ricardo Etcheverry, Buenos Aires
19 – 17 to Argentina
 
4 June 1994
Estadio Ricardo Etcheverry, Buenos Aires
16 – 15 to Argentina
 
10 November 1990
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
49 – 3 to Scotland

That's the sort of cheap coughing up that's killed us for two seasons now.

This is Poopie. We are making too many basic errors

Our error count has been appalling this tour, particularly in the opposition 22

Also pretty grim to see Welsh and Reid getting mashed in the scrums

Come on. FFS

Argentina, being organised in defence and strong over the ball, are well poised to exploit Scotlands lack of incision. Kind of frustrating to watch. Argentina are good for their lead- they could have had a yellow but if you get into the positions Scotland do and make nothing of them, do you really deserve to win?

Where'd that scrum come from?!

I just want this game to finish. We still wouldn't score if the Argentina's all had a nap

Currently Switzerland 1 France 5 - From the sounds of things ill stick without sky...

Make that 5-2

I might actually cry if this try is chalked off.

Seymour has been superb

Weir!!!!

I'm watching with the sound down. Why was that try sent to the TMO?

Did we really just kick it away?

More diving creeping into rugby

Rugby Fan wrote:I'm watching with the sound down. Why was that try sent to the TMO?

It looked as though Fife, who was running a support line, tripped a Puma defender who was trying to catch Pyrgos.
But the players both fell over each other, rather than anything sinister having happened.

Rugby Fan wrote:I'm watching with the sound down. Why was that try sent to the TMO?

Suspected blocking

Rugby Fan wrote:I'm watching with the sound down. Why was that try sent to the TMO?

Possible interference with the chasing team. I think.

Take your time Duncan Weir ffs

Don't mess this up.

RESTART LADS FFS!!!!!!!!!!!

Balls as big as houses!!

How did we win that?!

Someone call 911 because there has just been a robbery

Phew.

a game doesn't get closer than that!

Not sure we deserved that. Dont think Vern will be too comfortable with what he saw...

I've just witnessed two outrageous occurrences:
1. Scotland snatch another win which really wasn't justified by the performance
2. Nick de Useless pushing Swinson away as the big fella stopped NdL making a Muppet out of himself over the Fusaro handbags - I sincerely hope he never appears in a Scotland jersey again

Still - we won, in Argentina!!

Seymour, gilchrist, Pyrgos did well, and I thought Low and De Luca out in good shifts too.

Credit where credit is due for De Luca!

Didn't see that asbo

Well Cotter's record is looking pretty good!

Sadly the links wouldn't work (thanks GC and RDW for trying though), but I'm delighted with the result. Away wins in Argentina are not to be sniffed at and whilst we had to beat USA and Canada, this one was touch and go.

Now for the Saffas.....

Set piece did fine. Ball retention often rubbish, phase play sporadic, defence poor at times. But as Kellock just said in the studio, how often have we sat and said 'well, we could have won that'. We did win it. I don't think anyone is suggesting that we played really well.

Also Asbo, given that he's not played in months and was a flown out as emergency cover, and ended up putting a good shift in, is it not a bit of an over reaction to say he shouldn't play for Scotland again because he got a bit excited in the heat of the moment?

You're also missing out the fact that Fusaro was the one that got involved and potentially give away a match losing penalty in the first place!

Well done lads. Never gave up and great fight back. Not the prettiest spectacle but a win is a win.

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:I've just witnessed two outrageous occurrences:
1. Scotland snatch another win which really wasn't justified by the performance
2. Nick de Useless pushing Swinson away as the big fella stopped NdL making a Muppet out of himself over the Fusaro handbags - I sincerely hope he never appears in a Scotland jersey again

You sound like an England wendyball fan!

Performance mattered against USA and Canada, games we should have won. This was different. It was always going to be a messy scrap, we're missing a bunch of key players and are two weeks into a new regime. Good win, and to come back like that shows spirit, NDL included. I haven't seen the performance, and it sounds like we didn't play well, but that's a good result.

RDW_Scotland wrote:Also Asbo, given that he's not played in months and was a flown out as emergency cover, and ended up putting a good shift in, is it not a bit of an over reaction to say he shouldn't play for Scotland again because he got a bit excited in the heat of the moment?

You're also missing out the fact that Fusaro was the one that got involved and potentially give away a match losing penalty in the first place!

Yes but Fusaro and Swinson play for Glasgow.

In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

RDW_Scotland wrote:Also Asbo, given that he's not played in months and was a flown out as emergency cover, and ended up putting a good shift in, is it not a bit of an over reaction to say he shouldn't play for Scotland again because he got a bit excited in the heat of the moment?

Talking about the heat of the moment, anyone else hear Blair Cowan shouting "I'll break your f%$king face!" at the Argentinian front rower in the first half.   

Much improved performance in some aspects but I think composure is still an issue (he says after they win in the dying breath of the game). Hugo Southwell actually was fairly apt in his description, we've won three but the improvement isn't good enough. Nonetheless about 10 times happier than I was this time last week, I think South Africa will be a steam rollering, and I'm concerned about Fusaro's discipline too, the whole point of being a 7 is that you're at least subtle with your infringements, he needs a cool head. Of the players out there, Seymour, Gray Jr, Hogg and Pyrgos have made their mark. Nice to see an improved performance from Ross Ford, he seems to have got his head back into the game. Surprised by Gilchrist, pleasantly though, he had a fairly sound game I felt. Rob Harley is looking good and was key to a few turnovers and Cowan was making a nuisance of himself quite nicely although not as strong as his previous performances (possibly because the games were so dire anyway). Grayson Hart seems to have been influenced a little by Laidlaw but thankfully not too much, he played OK. Weir had a bit of a mare, I think he just lost his cool after the first 30 minutes, but that's a resolvable issue, just composure again, regained it at the right time thankfully!

I think there's a few positives we can definitely take out of that game, and we cannot underestimate the boost a win like that gives a team, as we must bare in mind Scotland trailed for about 60 minutes of that game. I think there'll be lots Cotter will be looking to improve, but our set piece is looking good, that's the foundations, just need to sort our rucking game.

I think if we can keep it to within 10 points against SA I'll be reasonably happy.

Manky-Flanker wrote:

RDW_Scotland wrote:Also Asbo, given that he's not played in months and was a flown out as emergency cover, and ended up putting a good shift in, is it not a bit of an over reaction to say he shouldn't play for Scotland again because he got a bit excited in the heat of the moment?

Talking about the heat of the moment, anyone else hear Blair Cowan shouting "I'll break your f%$king face!" at the Argentinian front rower in the first half.   

How did Cowan get on generally? Sounds like the breakdown was once again not our friend, although clearly that's not the fault of one player.

10 points Nelly?? Reasonably happy would be a massive understatement!

If we're within 10 points at the 10 minute mark I'll be happy. Please tell me it isn't on Sky Sports 3 again though!

RDW_Scotland wrote:10 points Nelly?? Reasonably happy would be a massive understatement!

Oh don't worry, come next week I'll be back to despair no doubt! Let the optimism carry on for a couple of days until I see the match day 23 where we've put Lamont as cover for the openside flank

Cotter should retire now. Most successful Scotland coach of all time....

Any injuries tonight?

funnyExiledScot wrote:

Manky-Flanker wrote:

RDW_Scotland wrote:Also Asbo, given that he's not played in months and was a flown out as emergency cover, and ended up putting a good shift in, is it not a bit of an over reaction to say he shouldn't play for Scotland again because he got a bit excited in the heat of the moment?

Talking about the heat of the moment, anyone else hear Blair Cowan shouting "I'll break your f%$king face!" at the Argentinian front rower in the first half.   

How did Cowan get on generally? Sounds like the breakdown was once again not our friend, although clearly that's not the fault of one player.

He put in a lot of effort, but the Argies had the better of the breakdown really - they were all clearly well drilled on that part of the game. He also missed a tackle that lead to a try.

funnyExiledScot wrote:

Manky-Flanker wrote:

RDW_Scotland wrote:Also Asbo, given that he's not played in months and was a flown out as emergency cover, and ended up putting a good shift in, is it not a bit of an over reaction to say he shouldn't play for Scotland again because he got a bit excited in the heat of the moment?

Talking about the heat of the moment, anyone else hear Blair Cowan shouting "I'll break your f%$king face!" at the Argentinian front rower in the first half.   

How did Cowan get on generally? Sounds like the breakdown was once again not our friend, although clearly that's not the fault of one player.

The breakdown was weird. Argentina ran a soft drift defence but when the ball hit the deck they flooded the area and we often lost ball we just shouldn't have. The Argie loose forwards weren't the largest, but were quick - hence getting Fozzy on to compete at their own game became an increasingly obvious thing to do. Then when Fozzy did on with 19 minutes to go, he was so over eager that he set up a driving maul without enough protection and got stripped and then started giving away penalties. Cowan toiled a lot but I don't recall a great return.

The simple fact is that Barclay and Rennie are quite a bit better than our next options. And you can see why someone would just stick Kellybrows in there instead.

Injury wise there was nothing obvious, but Horne did seem to be taken off a bit prematurely.

No apparent forward injuries and that's the main thing!

Poor(ish) game, excellent win.

It's really worrying that no matter who we are playing , be it Argentina A or the All Blacks we kick the ball away too much and we just don't convert enough final third possession into tries.

Lost the breakdown tonight and lost it badly. Wasn't impressed at all by Hart, massive improvement when Pygros came on.

For all the chat about Maitland v Visser, Seymour is the best winger we have. Liked Hugo Southwell in the studio giving away the fact he didn't watch us in North America, by saying Tommy has been excellent in all three tests this summer.

I think the tours have been great for Argentina. Resting their top squad means they now have a much wider squad to chose from going into the world cup. I think back up have improved on last year.