Whats Going On In Wales Part 3

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Understand but if the EGM had gone a certain way his position would have been untenable.

Thats not going to happen now.

Did I hear correctly that a joint statement is due by WRU and RRW concerrning central/joint contracts.
Also heard something about an East/West split within RRW but they may be just groundless gossip

Steffan wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:Are you capable of posts without personal attacks?

Your the one who can't respond to a post of mine without making derogative about Valleys people or the rugby played there

Risca said nothing of the sort mun. Have another read. And be nice.

Risca Rev wrote:It was a fair comparison though. If you wish to keep calling Dragons, Newport then I'll persist knocking the daft Valleys Rugby idea.

They are though aren't they? Says so on their website.
http://www.newportgwentdragons.com/
I agree the Valleys Rugby idea was daft btw. Not the only thing that is daft in Wales though, at this present time.

Only Newport to the uneducated/ignorant really. Which part of Newport is Ystrad Mynach in? We all know what these disenfranchised types mean when they call Dragons that and it isn't just because they conveniently don't notice the other names in the name. It's a poor example showing the website by the way, as the menu I get on my mobile has more Dragons things than anything

Still, he can call us what he likes I guess. I'll enjoy watching my region regardless. Hope he does too. Cardiff have made some handy signings.

Risca Rev wrote:Still, he can call us what he likes I guess

Indeed I can   

Risca Rev wrote:I'll enjoy watching my region regardless. Hope he does too. Cardiff have made some handy signings

I will be watching Ponty next season as always. I shall also be watching Cardiff as well...on the TV

Steffan wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:Still, he can call us what he likes I guess

Indeed I can   

Risca Rev wrote:I'll enjoy watching my region regardless. Hope he does too. Cardiff have made some handy signings

I will be watching Ponty next season as always. I shall also be watching Cardiff as well...on the TV

If you are watching Ponty then no doubt you will have the honour to stand up and say thank you to the Horrible Pie Man for all that free cash of his he sends your way of his own largesse this season, eh?

Stone Motif wrote:

Steffan wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:Still, he can call us what he likes I guess

Indeed I can   

Risca Rev wrote:I'll enjoy watching my region regardless. Hope he does too. Cardiff have made some handy signings

I will be watching Ponty next season as always. I shall also be watching Cardiff as well...on the TV

If you are watching Ponty then no doubt you will have the honour to stand up and say thank you to the Horrible Pie Man for all that free cash of his he sends your way of his own largesse this season, eh?

  

Only an arch Ponty hater like you would suggest that he is doing it out of the goodness of his own heart

The fact that Ponty are the main feeder team in Rhondda Cynon Taff to HIS REGION along with many people I know from Ponty rugby club giving up their free time to help out with the Blues Youth and Under 21s etc. for HIS REGION then working on the basis that we contribute as a club to Cardiff Rugby Ltd I don't think old Peter Pies needs to have my undying love for making a contribution to HIS REGION anytime soon

You make me laugh fair do   

Steffan wrote:

Stone Motif wrote:

Steffan wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:Still, he can call us what he likes I guess

Indeed I can   

Risca Rev wrote:I'll enjoy watching my region regardless. Hope he does too. Cardiff have made some handy signings

I will be watching Ponty next season as always. I shall also be watching Cardiff as well...on the TV

If you are watching Ponty then no doubt you will have the honour to stand up and say thank you to the Horrible Pie Man for all that free cash of his he sends your way of his own largesse this season, eh?

  

Only an arch Ponty hater like you would suggest that he is doing it out of the goodness of his own heart

Course he is mun. Pete the pieman is a proper born and bred valleys boy.

Risca Rev wrote:Only Newport to the uneducated/ignorant really. Which part of Newport is Ystrad Mynach in? We all know what these disenfranchised types mean when they call Dragons that and it isn't just because they conveniently don't notice the other names in the name. It's a poor example showing the website by the way, as the menu I get on my mobile has more Dragons things than anything

Still, he can call us what he likes I guess. I'll enjoy watching my region regardless. Hope he does too. Cardiff have made some handy signings.

If you think about it, I spose that would include supporters from across the bridge who visit Dave. Must be fun chatting to them and explaining that the Drags are not Newport.

Anyway, twitter is saying peace is imminent.........again.
The new Rugby Services Agreement or RSA (acronymabulous!) to be announced next week.
I don't believe it myself, but there we are.

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:Only Newport to the uneducated/ignorant really. Which part of Newport is Ystrad Mynach in? We all know what these disenfranchised types mean when they call Dragons that and it isn't just because they conveniently don't notice the other names in the name. It's a poor example showing the website by the way, as the menu I get on my mobile has more Dragons things than anything

Still, he can call us what he likes I guess. I'll enjoy watching my region regardless. Hope he does too. Cardiff have made some handy signings.

If you think about it, I spose that would include supporters from across the bridge who visit Dave. Must be fun chatting to them and explaining that the Drags are not Newport.

I'd class them as uneducated, in the sense they wouldn't appreciate what work the Dragons do for the wider region. People like Steffan and his fellow 901,036,135 I'll never be a blue, fellow disenfranchised Ponty fans have such information freely available, but choose to be petty. There is a huge difference.

Steffan wrote:

Stone Motif wrote:

Steffan wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:Still, he can call us what he likes I guess

Indeed I can   

Risca Rev wrote:I'll enjoy watching my region regardless. Hope he does too. Cardiff have made some handy signings

I will be watching Ponty next season as always. I shall also be watching Cardiff as well...on the TV

If you are watching Ponty then no doubt you will have the honour to stand up and say thank you to the Horrible Pie Man for all that free cash of his he sends your way of his own largesse this season, eh?

  

Only an arch Ponty hater like you would suggest that he is doing it out of the goodness of his own heart

The fact that Ponty are the main feeder team in Rhondda Cynon Taff to HIS REGION along with many people I know from Ponty rugby club giving up their free time to help out with the Blues Youth and Under 21s etc. for HIS REGION then working on the basis that we contribute as a club to Cardiff Rugby Ltd I don't think old Peter Pies needs to have my undying love for making a contribution to HIS REGION anytime soon

You make me laugh fair do   

Only an arch-Ponty fan like you would have the gall to think Ponty are feeding anything bar their own bloated sense of importance/entitlement.

I don't hate Ponty - like 99% of the rugby world they are kind of an irrelevance to me.

YOUR REGION are developing players through YOUR REGION's academy, which they then pay whilst they play for your club team. YOUR REGION are also exposing your best players to pro rugby and then loaning them back to you for free. If YOUR REGION are just Cardiff Rugby LT in another guise, wtf would they give a sh1te about Ponty, especially given their sum contribution to YOUR REGION is that colossus of the second row Chris Dicomedis and a whopping great chip on their collective shoulder?

Steff will love this.....

"There's new artwork being designed at @ArmsParkCardiff this week by @MRWalker84
Can you name the players?"
https://twitter.com/cardiff_blues/status/507211486100750336/photo/1

Cardiff Dave wrote:Steff will love this.....

"There's new artwork being designed at @ArmsParkCardiff this week by @MRWalker84
Can you name the players?"
https://twitter.com/cardiff_blues/status/507211486100750336/photo/1

Gareth's not going to be happy when he sees the size of his nose there.

Cardiff Dave wrote:Steff will love this.....

"There's new artwork being designed at @ArmsParkCardiff this week by @MRWalker84
Can you name the players?"
https://twitter.com/cardiff_blues/status/507211486100750336/photo/1

I couldn't care less to be honest. I assume you mean Martyn Williams?

Steffan wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:Steff will love this.....

"There's new artwork being designed at @ArmsParkCardiff this week by @MRWalker84
Can you name the players?"
https://twitter.com/cardiff_blues/status/507211486100750336/photo/1

I couldn't care less to be honest. I assume you mean Martyn Williams?

I know mun. Thought it was Alfie at first glance, but you could be right.
Very Cardiff though don't you think, blue & black and all?

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Steffan wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:Steff will love this.....

"There's new artwork being designed at @ArmsParkCardiff this week by @MRWalker84
Can you name the players?"
https://twitter.com/cardiff_blues/status/507211486100750336/photo/1

I couldn't care less to be honest. I assume you mean Martyn Williams?

I know mun. Thought it was Alfie at first glance, but you could be right.
Very Cardiff though don't you think, blue & black and all?

Well as far as I am concerned Cardiff Blues are nothing more than a re-franchised version of the old Cardiff RFC with the Blue and Blacks being a Cardiff 'B' team so nothing surprises me with "my region"

I am not concerned about Martyn Williams he made his choice to pledge his allegiance to Cardiff a long time ago and has made a lot of money from it so good luck to him although the fact he still doesn't have the guts to show his face in Ponty Rugby Club after all these years says it all really

I still think it's disgusting the poor turnout he had from the Cardiff supporters at the Cardiff City Stadium for his testimonial. Very bad considering all his years of service for the club

without wanting to get involved in your row on either side. He did the commentary for the B&I cup game between Leinster A and Ponty last season. He must have had an armed guard to get him back out?

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:without wanting to get involved in your row on either side. He did the commentary for the B&I cup game between Leinster A and Ponty last season. He must have had an armed guard to get him back out?

In all fairness the guy is not hated at Ponty. He made his choice to turn his back on the club that nurtured him from a boy all the way through to a senior player and we respect his choice to become one of Peter Pies little minions. He is not respected or held in any esteem though and it's because of this he chooses to stay well away

It's just a Ponty thing.

The Saint wrote:It's just a Ponty thing.

Probably

Steffan wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:

Steffan wrote:

Cardiff Dave wrote:Steff will love this.....

"There's new artwork being designed at @ArmsParkCardiff this week by @MRWalker84
Can you name the players?"
https://twitter.com/cardiff_blues/status/507211486100750336/photo/1

I couldn't care less to be honest. I assume you mean Martyn Williams?

I know mun. Thought it was Alfie at first glance, but you could be right.
Very Cardiff though don't you think, blue & black and all?

Well as far as I am concerned Cardiff Blues are nothing more than a re-franchised version of the old Cardiff RFC with the Blue and Blacks being a Cardiff 'B' team so nothing surprises me with "my region"

I am not concerned about Martyn Williams he made his choice to pledge his allegiance to Cardiff a long time ago and has made a lot of money from it so good luck to him although the fact he still doesn't have the guts to show his face in Ponty Rugby Club after all these years says it all really

I still think it's disgusting the poor turnout he had from the Cardiff supporters at the Cardiff City Stadium for his testimonial. Very bad considering all his years of service for the club

I agree with your first sentence coz it's true and being told by the WRU that they are your reejun obviously winds you up. Winds me up too. So here's a mad suggestion; why not let Ponty be Ponty and Cardiff be Cardiff and let both get on with what they do best without having to adhere to a pseudo reejunal concept type thingy?

Your 2nd point suggests that Nugget is not welcome at Ponty RFC. I find that difficult to believe. As for him not having the guts to show his face, yeah right.

Poor turnouts at CCS were the norm i'm afraid for reasons that have been talked about a million times and IIRC Martyn wanted his testimonial played at the Arms Park. At the time the future of Cardiff RFC was up in the air. Great player for Cardiff, but we've had many great players.

The Saint wrote:It's just a Ponty thing.

It's definitely a thing, and a thing that definitely needs sorting coz reejunalism is a crock.

Steffan wrote:

Jenifer McLadyboy wrote:without wanting to get involved in your row on either side. He did the commentary for the B&I cup game between Leinster A and Ponty last season. He must have had an armed guard to get him back out?

In all fairness the guy is not hated at Ponty. He made his choice to turn his back on the club that nurtured him from a boy all the way through to a senior player and we respect his choice to become one of Peter Pies little minions. He is not respected or held in any esteem though and it's because of this he chooses to stay well away

Righto, so are Ponty going to be paying for all the little minions Uncle Peter sends their way this season then?

Stone Motif wrote:Righto, so are Ponty going to be paying for all the little minions Uncle Peter sends their way this season then?  

Dunno. As a feeder team for his region I would hope he is making a contribution

Steffan wrote:

Stone Motif wrote:Righto, so are Ponty going to be paying for all the little minions Uncle Peter sends their way this season then?  

Dunno. As a feeder team for his region I would hope he is making a contribution

He is making the same contribution he makes most seasons, numbering many thousands of pounds. About time Ponty started giving him something back in exchange, other than a huge, steaming pile of sanctimonious twaddle with a side of chips.

Stone Motif wrote:

Steffan wrote:

Stone Motif wrote:Righto, so are Ponty going to be paying for all the little minions Uncle Peter sends their way this season then?  

Dunno. As a feeder team for his region I would hope he is making a contribution

He is making the same contribution he makes most seasons, numbering many thousands of pounds.  About time Ponty started giving him something back in exchange, other than a huge, steaming pile of sanctimonious twaddle with a side of chips.  

Yes you hate Ponty and anyone who supports the club. I get the picture. No need to go on

Steffan wrote:

Stone Motif wrote:

Steffan wrote:

Stone Motif wrote:Righto, so are Ponty going to be paying for all the little minions Uncle Peter sends their way this season then?  

Dunno. As a feeder team for his region I would hope he is making a contribution

He is making the same contribution he makes most seasons, numbering many thousands of pounds.  About time Ponty started giving him something back in exchange, other than a huge, steaming pile of sanctimonious twaddle with a side of chips.  

Yes you couldn't give a monkeys about Ponty and anyone who supports the club, but their attitude to the current pro clubs stinks, and is an embarrassment to Wales. I get the picture. No need to go on

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Stone Motif wrote:

Steffan wrote:

Stone Motif wrote:

Steffan wrote:

Stone Motif wrote:Righto, so are Ponty going to be paying for all the little minions Uncle Peter sends their way this season then?  

Dunno. As a feeder team for his region I would hope he is making a contribution

He is making the same contribution he makes most seasons, numbering many thousands of pounds.  About time Ponty started giving him something back in exchange, other than a huge, steaming pile of sanctimonious twaddle with a side of chips.  

Yes you couldn't give a monkeys about Ponty and anyone who supports the club, but their attitude to the current pro clubs stinks, and is an embarrassment to Wales. I get the picture. No need to go on

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I'm glad you don't give a monkeys about Ponty or who supports them. Hopefully you will stop stalking me on here now constantly looking for a rise and just enjoy the rest of the season supporting your own team like a good boy. Cheers

Stalking a Ponty fan? What would be the point, there's six million of you after all, never go anywhere in South Wales without seeing a jersey or three.

If you don't like having your club's ludicrous sense of entitlement pointed out to you, why don't you stop dragging this thread down to that level?

Stone Motif wrote:Stalking a Ponty fan?  What would be the point, there's six million of you after all, never go anywhere in South Wales without seeing a jersey or three.

If you don't like having your club's ludicrous sense of entitlement pointed out to you, why don't you stop dragging this thread down to that level?

I'm going to ignore your childish comments in the first sentence as I really can't be bothered lowering myself to your petty level. You say you don't care about Ponty yet this is about the fourth time you have mentioned them in the last day

As for me 'dragging the thread down'...well I wasn't going to post on it again until Cardiff Dave mentioned me (in a banter way) on here. Unlike last season I won't be commenting on your precious Welsh Pro Clubs so toddle along now and just leave it there. Cheers

Hang on, just realised you were playing the pie man's minions today, you not at the game Mr Ponty?

Stone Motif wrote:Hang on, just realised you were playing the pie man's minions today, you not at the game Mr Ponty?

I couldn't make the game today. I know Ponty won though and went through to the B & I Cup

Steffan wrote:

Stone Motif wrote:Stalking a Ponty fan?  What would be the point, there's six million of you after all, never go anywhere in South Wales without seeing a jersey or three.

If you don't like having your club's ludicrous sense of entitlement pointed out to you, why don't you stop dragging this thread down to that level?

I'm going to ignore your childish comments in the first sentence as I really can't be bothered lowering myself to your petty level. You say you don't care about Ponty yet this is about the fourth time you have mentioned them in the last day

As for me 'dragging the thread down'...well I wasn't going to post on it again until Cardiff Dave mentioned me (in a banter way) on here. Unlike last season I won't be commenting on your precious Welsh Pro Clubs so toddle along now and just leave it there. Cheers

Blydi mischief maker.

Beeb wrote:Gatland conceded that there is "pressure on players not to leave," but added that he will be open-minded about selecting players from abroad.

"We've tried to get the balance right," said Gatland.

"We can't back ourselves into a corner where we are picking players who are only based in Wales, when we might have four or five eligible who are based outside.

"We can't discount that every once in a while there is a benefit to some players moving out of Wales and getting that experience, particularly if they are number two or number three in their position.

"They may not have the opportunity, so by going and playing over the bridge or in France, it could be good for them for a year or two."

So does that mean yet again the whole Gatlands Law stuff has been shown up to be total and utter bull poop

There's never been a Gatland's law, though I think we can expect one to slowly make it's way in with dual contracts, etc. Roberts and Lydiate will probably be the first two to come home.

There was NEVER Gatlands law FFS.

He stated that if players went abroad to play they would be risking their Welsh place if they weren't 1st choice in whatever team they were playing for and with the exception of Gethin Jenkins all the players picked from overseas were pretty much first choice.

He NEVER said he wouldn't pick them.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Beeb wrote:Gatland conceded that there is "pressure on players not to leave," but added that he will be open-minded about selecting players from abroad.

"We've tried to get the balance right," said Gatland.

"We can't back ourselves into a corner where we are picking players who are only based in Wales, when we might have four or five eligible who are based outside.

"We can't discount that every once in a while there is a benefit to some players moving out of Wales and getting that experience, particularly if they are number two or number three in their position.

"They may not have the opportunity, so by going and playing over the bridge or in France, it could be good for them for a year or two."

So does that mean yet again the whole Gatlands Law stuff has been shown up to be total and utter bull poop

Gatland's Guff, straight out of WRU soundbite city.

bedfordwelsh wrote:There was NEVER Gatlands law FFS.

He stated that if players went abroad to play they would be risking their Welsh place if they weren't 1st choice in whatever team they were playing for and with the exception of Gethin Jenkins all the players picked from overseas were pretty much first choice.

He NEVER said he wouldn't pick them.

Supposedly one of the terms of the RSA was that any player, after the agreement was signed, who takes a contract outside of the regions wouldn't be considered for selection. Or at least that was how it was reported everywhere that I had seen it, meaning the current exiles are ok, but need to return at the end of their current contracts, and any future player leaving takes the choice.

Gravy with your brand new Merc anyone?

You don't exactly hear of, or see Roberts and Davies cutting up trees in France. Considering Williams is playing well and Allen might improve our midfield could see a change. Probably for the better seeing as the latter 2 are in Wales right now.

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

bedfordwelsh wrote:There was NEVER Gatlands law FFS.

He stated that if players went abroad to play they would be risking their Welsh place if they weren't 1st choice in whatever team they were playing for and with the exception of Gethin Jenkins all the players picked from overseas were pretty much first choice.

He NEVER said he wouldn't pick them.

Supposedly one of the terms of the RSA was that any player, after the agreement was signed, who takes a contract outside of the regions wouldn't be considered for selection.  Or at least that was how it was reported everywhere that I had seen it, meaning the current exiles are ok, but need to return at the end of their current contracts, and any future player leaving takes the choice.

For the new deal I hadn't seen it reported anywhere that there would be a 'ban' on foreign based players that move after the agreement. Just that Welsh based players would be 'favoured'. Supposedly the amount of 'favouring' would be increased from what it was before (pretty much nil) but Gatland can still pick whoever he wants.

The new deal said he could pick players in exceptional circumstances it DOESN'T say he can't or won't pick them nor does it say they must return at end of their current contract - just that those going now or those choosing to stay may not be automatically considered as they are now.

Saint,

As for JD they are what 2/3 games into their season so bit early to say yet how he will go.

The Saint wrote:You don't exactly hear of, or see Roberts and Davies cutting up trees in France. Considering Williams is playing well and Allen might improve our midfield could see a change. Probably for the better seeing as the latter 2 are in Wales right now.

Actually both are playing well. JD2 had a good game for Claremont last weekend, while Roberts was on defensive duty more than attack.

From the RRW statement

RRW wrote:A new Senior Player Selection Policy has also been confirmed which declares that players based outside Wales in future will not be eligible for selection subject to a number of exceptions which the National Head Coach has the right to make. This policy will become active once a minimum of six senior players prioritised by the Wales Head Coach have been signed to National Dual Contracts.

It would be interesting to know what the exceptions are. Is it, several injured players before a World Cup, or is it, Gatland thinks they're better than the guys in Wales. I hope they're clearly defined but they probably won't be released.

HammerofThunor wrote:From the RRW statement

RRW wrote:A new Senior Player Selection Policy has also been confirmed which declares that players based outside Wales in future will not be eligible for selection subject to a number of exceptions which the National Head Coach has the right to make. This policy will become active once a minimum of six senior players prioritised by the Wales Head Coach have been signed to National Dual Contracts.

It would be interesting to know what the exceptions are. Is it, several injured players before a World Cup, or is it, Gatland thinks they're better than the guys in Wales. I hope they're clearly defined but they probably won't be released.

I have a feeling it is that Gats thinks they are the better player.

Over fifty players being considered for dual contracts...!

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/29161459

maestegmafia wrote:Over fifty players being considered for dual contracts...!

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/29161459

Its a shame that a certain poster (who had a real distaste for non-welsh players at the regions) is no longer here, as he could have given us a nice long list of who the 50 players were.

Really hope Anscombe isnt one of them. But i think the writing is on the wall with him. 15 players would be a good number. Hopefully the younger ones. Lee is a must. I do worry he could be offered crazy money from English or French clubs next time his contract is up.

I think Anscombe has proved talented enough in the super XV to warrant investing. He qualifies through family not residency.

We will have to wait and see as even the BBC reports are just supposition at the moment.