South Africa v Wales - 2nd Test, Nelspruit

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South Africa:
15 Willie le Roux, 14 Cornal Hendricks, 13 JP Pietersen, 12 Jan Serfontein, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Fourie du Preez, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Victor Matfield (c), 4 Flip van der Merwe ,3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Tendai Mtawarira.

Replacements:
16 Schalk Brits, 17 Gurthrö Steenkamp, 18 Coenie Oosthuizen, 19 Lodewyk de Jager, 20 Schalk Burger, 21 Ruan Pienaar, 22 Wynand Olivier,
23 Lwazi Mvovo.


Wales:
15 Liam Williams, 14 Alex Cuthbert, 13 Jonathan Davies, 12 Jamie Roberts, 11 George North, 10 Dan Biggar, 9 Mike Phillips
8 Taulupe Faletau, 7 Josh Turnbull, 6 Dan Lydiate, 5 Alun-Wyn Jones (c), 4 Luke Charteris, 3 Samson Lee, 2 Ken Owens, 1 Gethin Jenkins

Replacements:
16 Matthew Rees, 17 Paul James, 18 Aaron Jarvis, 19 Jake Ball, 20 Dan Baker, 21 Gareth Davies, 22 James Hook, 23 Matthew Morgan


Date: Saturday, June 21
Venue: Mbombela Stadium, Nelspruit
Kick-off: 15.00 (13.00 GMT)
Referee: Steve Walsh (Australia)
Assistant referees: Romain Poite (France), Francesco Pastrana (Argentina)
TMO: Glenn Newman (New Zealand)

But Walsh was right. Yellow for repeated infringements at the maul. Then they carried on, after being warned by him that he'll send another.

Thought the second yellow was harsh as WELL as the penalty try. Give them the try sure, but the YC is then surely not necessary.

Neutralee wrote:Niaivity by Wales, harsh riffing by Walsh, and this game is as good as over for Wales despite all the positives, and still being ahead, and only 35 mins gone

You are a bit of a dick ain't you?

rainbow-warrior wrote:

Neutralee wrote:Niaivity by Wales, harsh riffing by Walsh, and this game is as good as over for Wales despite all the positives, and still being ahead, and only 35 mins gone

You are a bit of a dick ain't you?

   Are you a poet Raindbow-warrior. Lovely way with words

You have to say though, this really does typify mindset between SH and NH

17-0 down, penalty 35 yards out, not in the game yet and EVERY NH team takes the 3 gets on the board and plays from there, All 3 SH teams play the corner to get back into the game and confident of their abilities!

rainbow-warrior wrote:

Neutralee wrote:Niaivity by Wales, harsh riffing by Walsh, and this game is as good as over for Wales despite all the positives, and still being ahead, and only 35 mins gone

You are a bit of a dick ain't you?

I find that language completely unnecessary and uncalled for, it isn't acceptable to act like such.

Thank god for that.

Neutralee wrote:

rainbow-warrior wrote:

Neutralee wrote:Niaivity by Wales, harsh riffing by Walsh, and this game is as good as over for Wales despite all the positives, and still being ahead, and only 35 mins gone

You are a bit of a dick ain't you?

I find that language completely unnecessary and uncalled for, it isn't acceptable to act like such.

You have been cynical of Wales before the whistle blew and shut up when we were 17-0 up, only to start your BS up again. I find that unnecessary and uncalled for too savvy.

We just need Liam Williams to manage the kick off - then get the ball off the park ASAP and get Biggar back on

First half sums up Wales to a T - capable of some very good play and equally capable of fecking it all up!!

They need to learn how to maul and defend against mauls. It's becoming comical how they can get unraveled in the blink of an eye by the simple act of catching and driving.

rainbow-warrior wrote:

Neutralee wrote:

rainbow-warrior wrote:

Neutralee wrote:Niaivity by Wales, harsh riffing by Walsh, and this game is as good as over for Wales despite all the positives, and still being ahead, and only 35 mins gone

You are a bit of a dick ain't you?

I find that language completely unnecessary and uncalled for, it isn't acceptable to act like such.

You have been cynical of Wales before the whistle blew and shut up when we were 17-0 up, only to start your BS up again.  I find that unnecessary and uncalled for too savvy.

Are you kidding, I had written Wales off before the game, commended their try then actually said I'd be eating my words before their niaivity on their own line. Let's keep our emotions and foul language in check and we'll get on fine, I have no interest in arguing with posters.

Knowsit17 wrote:First half sums up Wales to a T - capable of some very good play and equally capable of fecking it all up!!

They need to learn how to maul and defend against mauls. It's becoming comical how they can get unraveled in the blink of an eye by the simple act of catching and driving.

I really don't understand why AWJ didn't stand up and say that it isn't working and just get everyone to hold off the maul and force them to spin it wide or get penalised for truck and trailer

Wales know they can steal this if they play to their ability. S Africa made double the tackles Wales made in that half. The turnovers had S Africa 1 up on Wales so nothing in that area. Calm heads and we have a chance.

Neutralee wrote:Just looking at the back lines...

Wales back line matches SA for physicality, nous and finishing abilities (as an entire unit) but once again platform will be everything.

The breakdown is going to be key, looking at the options in both packs...

Du plessis will put his head in anywhere and is murder to shift,
That back row will flood and physically damage given half the chance!!!

Jenkins and owens are always a bit of a threat given half the chance
Wales back row has a silky ball carrier, a chopper and turn bull who makes andy Powell look effective, there is literally no breakdown nous there whatsoever.

If Wales speed the game up they'll be susceptible to turnovers and breakaway tries, if they slow the game down they'll go narrow, and nowhere.

The line out will be dominated by SA, steins kicking game is superior, not to mention le roux's 2nd option, and the scrum will be scrappy and a free for all.

Wales cannot win this game.

Not Cynical at all.  

rainbow-warrior wrote:Wales know they can steal this if they play to their ability.  S Africa made double the tackles Wales made in that half.  The turnovers had S Africa 1 up on Wales so nothing in that area.  Calm heads and we have a chance.

SA have the momentum, we need another 10 minutes like when we score the 2 tries

wales606 wrote:

Knowsit17 wrote:First half sums up Wales to a T - capable of some very good play and equally capable of fecking it all up!!

They need to learn how to maul and defend against mauls. It's becoming comical how they can get unraveled in the blink of an eye by the simple act of catching and driving.

I really don't understand why AWJ didn't stand up and say that it isn't working and just get everyone to hold off the maul and force them to spin it wide or get penalised for truck and trailer

It takes some stones to stand off a maul on your own try line hoping the ball carrier doesn't plough through to score, he is allowed an adjustment after all.

I think the issue was Wales didn't know what to do, falatau challenged the previous, Jenkins was sacking single handed lay while everyone else were looking at each other in confusion. Have to blame leadership, and tactical set up from Gatland, surely they have a plan to deal with the best maul in the world?

Hood83 wrote:Thought the second yellow was harsh as WELL as the penalty try. Give them the try sure, but the YC is then surely not necessary.

Mornin'/afternoon Lads.
I agree with the Penalty Try but thought the second yellow was not necessary.  Despite being against 13 men, the Boks second try was Rugby at its most beauteous.  That leRoux dude is a player-and-a-half.

Will be interesting to see if the Boks can maintain the pressure agaisnt 15 men.

Rainbow, just to adress your concerns, I am not cynical with regards to Wales. Chances, they have never beaten SA in SA and are on a 15-0 run against them, that's pretty realistic view per game.

But I will hold my hands up and say Wales have been far better than expected, I thought they'd be strong but not able to score points, however they are in no way control of this game, and I expect SA to come out on top, sorry if that offends you.

Ooooh, almost sneaked that one! That would have been the perfect start.

Neutralee wrote:

wales606 wrote:

Knowsit17 wrote:First half sums up Wales to a T - capable of some very good play and equally capable of fecking it all up!!

They need to learn how to maul and defend against mauls. It's becoming comical how they can get unraveled in the blink of an eye by the simple act of catching and driving.

I really don't understand why AWJ didn't stand up and say that it isn't working and just get everyone to hold off the maul and force them to spin it wide or get penalised for truck and trailer

It takes some stones to stand off a maul on your own try line hoping the ball carrier doesn't plough through to score, he is allowed an adjustment after all.

I think the issue was Wales didn't know what to do, falatau challenged the previous, Jenkins was sacking single handed lay while everyone else were looking at each other in confusion. Have to blame leadership, and tactical set up from Gatland, surely they have a plan to deal with the best maul in the world?

Should have done it on the lineout 20m out when we were down to 14 though

Come on!

Looked like he rolled over, need another angle

Unsure but we'll take it

Try!!!

WOOOOOOO!

How can slow motion confuse whether he lost the ball? What a load of complete Love sacks. Not sure if he lost it or not but that is complete gibberish.

Argggg, messed up the restart

Try given, really think that was lost forward first

Well it wasn't. Great defence Wales.

Phew

Impartials must be loving this game. As a Welsh fan, I think I might have a heart attack

wales606 wrote:Impartials must be loving this game. As a Welsh fan, I think I might have a heart attack

Very much so, it has everything.

Great scrum there have to credit Jenkins, he never gets plaudits come scrum time

Good stuff Wales. I am sure the match clock is going in reverse.

AWJ is a man posessed!

We can't afford to gift them possession,

we desperately need possession and territory

Who thought of them RED posts they are invisible at a distance.

wales606 wrote:We can't afford to gift them possession,

we desperately need possession and territory

Very much so, next score is crucial

Love what Wales are doing. Got the Boks well and truly rattled, so that they're spurning kicks at goal.

Neutralee wrote:

wales606 wrote:We can't afford to gift them possession,

we desperately need possession and territory

Very much so, next score is crucial

Critical

Arggg, Biggar bigges mistake - not what we needed then

SA are just trying to force a physical advantage now, looking for contact and looking to hurt, if they get too focused on that though Wales may take advantage.

Wales have to be error free now, gifting possession on half way will be trouble

We're retaining possession pretty well, we just need to get some possession

rainbow-warrior wrote:Who thought of them RED posts they are invisible at a distance.

And an absolute nightmare if you're red-green colour blind

Gethin Jenkins!

Whenever people question his selection - you have to look at some of the crucial penalties he has won this game

Correct call by Walsh

EDIT: If Wales don't win this it's going to be a right kick in the ball sack

Make it count Wales. Well done Walsh.

Think Walsh has been very good to be honest, clear and fair

He's more involved than I'd like....but I think Walsh is making the right calls.

I thought a yellow there was unlucky, although I can see why it was given.

I'm someone who thinks a jumper puts himself in the air, and lifting from a restart should be on the players back, they've put themselves up there by choice, they should be challenged.

I missed the replay, but caught the last one, yellows about right, what's the thought process from lifting a leg though, everyone knows how touchy refs are when players are in the air.

The Bachelor wrote:I thought a yellow there was unlucky, although I can see why it was given.

Even when I haven't agreed with Walsh, I have always understood his decisions - Which is all I ask for in a ref

Wales need to keep some ball now and play like they did in the first half. If they try and hang on to this lead they WILL lose.