Munster v Saracens

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This place really is going to the dogs...1:00pm the day before a huge European night with the teams named for over 2 hours and no tread up yet?!?!

Munster
Jones, Conway, Smith, Hurley, Zebo; Keats, Murray; Cronin, Casey, BJ; Foley, PO’C; P O’M (capt), TO’D, CJ Stander

Replacements: Guinazu, Kilcoyne, Archer, B Holland, Copeland, Williams, JJ, GvdH

Saracens
15. Alex Goode, 14. Chris Ashton, 13. Marlcelo Bosch, 12. Brad Barritt ©, 11. David Strettle; 10. Owen Farrell, 9. Neil de Kock; 1. Richard Barrington, 2. Jamie George, 3. Petrus Du Plessis, 4.George Kruis, 5. Jim Hamilton, 6. Kelly Brown, 7. Will Fraser, 8. Billy Vunipola.

Replacements; 16. Scott Spurling, 17. Rhys Gill, 18. James Johnston, 19. Mouritz Botha, 20. Jackson Wray, 21. Richard Wigglesworth, 22. Charlie Hodgson, 23. Duncan Taylor.

Calm down beshocked and read my comment again.

All I said was that in reference to similar incidents it was incredible that it wasn't a red. I don't agree with handing out reds willy-nilly but it was no worse or better than many incidents where red cards have been given.

Bear in mind the rule states:

Law 10.4(j) : Lifting a player from the ground and dropping or driving that player into the ground whilst that player’s feet are still off the ground such that the player’s head and/or upper body come into contact with the ground is dangerous play.

Now just about the only thing that saved Gill was the fact that when Stander came down he came down on other players on the ground so 'technically' he didn't drop him on the 'ground' but there's no doubt he picked him up, lifted him through the vertical and didn't bring him safely back to the ground. Could easily have been red.

And just because you're annoyed that Saracens were well beaten doesn't mean you should start blindly swinging trying to get a rise from Munster fans.

Sin e
1. Just one person but it still sets a bad example.

2. I agree you don't need to plant someone's face into the ground for a red but for me a YC was fair.

The Munster player was not hurt. I don't like seeing play acting - no matter who it is.

Ashton slipped. He didn't mean to fall over obviously.


of course they wouldn't have any Saracens player on top 10 performances. Saracens were very poor.

Munstermac similar incidents like what? The whole point is you take into account the circumstances. The Munster player was not hurt - he had something to break his fall. Dangerous yes but because the player was not injured a YC was sufficient.

Not blindly swinging - simply pointing out that Munster aren't perfect - sorry if that hurts your feelings.

I could add that it was very fortunate for Munster that Gill got himself sin binned - as it was during this period that Munster effectively won the match. It was fortunate that the Saracens coaches took off Barrington and brought Gill on (for Munster).

Also it was very fortunate that the Saracens coaches refused to bring on the man of the match vs Clermont in place of the rusty Owen Farrell.

The law quoted above is taken from the IRB website.

Can you point out to me where it says 'circumstances' and whether the player was hurt as a result of the foul play are to be taken into account?

If you lift a player off the ground and drop him while his feet are still in the air according to the rules you should get a red card. End of story.

And I'm well aware Munster aren't perfect. Where would be the fun in that. We have to give the commoners some hope.

I could add that it was very fortunate for Munster that Gill got himself sin binned - as it was during this period that Munster effectively won the match. It was fortunate that the Saracens coaches took off Barrington and brought Gill on (for Munster).

Also it was very fortunate that the Saracens coaches refused to bring on the man of the match vs Clermont in place of the rusty Owen Farrell.

It's hardly Munster's fault that the Saracens coaches and bench are undisciplined and sub standard.

What a strange comment.

Was perplexed with the whole simulation comments afterwards cos all I saw was Stander getting dumped and staying on the ground so was looking up the highlights and it was the same....not exactly play acting. Stander gets flipped and dropped and stays on the ground. Not sure what is expected...jump up straight away and do a jig from lord of the dance? Anyhow Garces didnt take a blind bit of notice and just went to look for the replay.

beshocked wrote:

The Munster player was not hurt. I don't like seeing play acting - no matter who it is.

Yeah I agree, didn't look hurt to me. Or at least the pain was delayed. https://vine.co/v/OhtO3jZeFze

If that's the way the game is going, that's fine. Just means we have to be less condescending towards our roundball cousins.

Heeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssss Fossie......

Horrific play acting

If that's the impact that is dangerous then how does CJ get out of bed in the morning without hurting himself?

FairPlay he hammed it up and conned the yellow.

But let's not pretend it was a red. He wasn't driven down anywhere. He was rolled over, and the fact that he was naming onto the ball meant his head stayed down.

Yellow is in line with recent cardings in this area. But FFS, yellow for this and not even a penalty or citing for BOD spear tackle by NZ in lions tour? Methinks the pendulum has swung too far

Still cant see any play acting.....regardless their was no conning of the Ref...he didnt even bother with Stander. Gil was very lucky he landed on the two in the ruck. Otherwise it was a stonewall red.

Some people still dont understand the rules regarding this...but thats not surprising...

did you not watch the video clip then?

much as sine e winds me up, at least he is scrupulously fair. and he acknowledges that CJ acted up.

yes it didnt influence Garces's decision. But does that mean we have to ignore the pathetic play-acting attempt to do so?

no.

sarries werent worthy of winning. moment of madness from gill. pathetic attempt to make the infringement red rather than yellw by CJ. right result in the end points-wise.

ME you really are a tool. "gil was very ucky he landed on the two in the ruck". was it an aerial tackle? did he throw him in the air? no, he cleared him out and tried to roll him away from the ruck. You cant say someone was airborne if he had continuous connection with the ground (CJ was hanging onto the ball). he was never in the air.

Law 10.4(j) : Lifting a player from the ground and dropping or driving that player into the ground whilst that player’s feet are still off the ground such that the player’s head and/or upper body come into contact with the ground is dangerous play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVdY4Nz0lmo about 1.03.00 in to see him not being airborne

Seems to me Gil gives him a little slap into the face after dropping him as well...very naughty.

All this making up that Stander was rolling around the place is clearly just to get Gil away with not being cited for what was a clear red....

Fuzzy Dunlop wrote:

beshocked wrote:

The Munster player was not hurt. I don't like seeing play acting - no matter who it is.

Yeah I agree, didn't look hurt to me. Or at least the pain was delayed. https://vine.co/v/OhtO3jZeFze

If that's the way the game is going, that's fine. Just means we have to be less condescending towards our roundball cousins.

It doesn't matter if he is hurt or not, you cannot lift any players legs over his head now. It is regarded as a dangerous tackle.
Watching the video of it back, BJ Botha's seems to be paralysed with shock. CJ also got a knee in the head from someone when he went down which isn't shown in the vine replay.

ME-109 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVdY4Nz0lmo about 1.03.00 in to see him not being airborne

Seems to me Gil gives him a little slap into the face after dropping him as well...very naughty.

All this making up that Stander was rolling around the place is clearly just to get Gil away with not being cited for what was a clear red....

Yea I saw that. They also were going to continue playing the ball and maybe that is why CJ reacted as he did to get the attention of the ref.

Sin é wrote:

ME-109 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVdY4Nz0lmo about 1.03.00 in to see him not being airborne

Seems to me Gil gives him a little slap into the face after dropping him as well...very naughty.

All this making up that Stander was rolling around the place is clearly just to get Gil away with not being cited for what was a clear red....

Yea I saw that. They also were going to continue playing the ball and maybe that is why CJ reacted as he did to get the attention of the ref.

Ref blew up straight away he was right in view of it... it is literally immediately after Gil flipped him,he actually ignores CJ which is why its kind of funny there seems to be some speculation that CJ did some rolling around the place...

quinsforever wrote:did you not watch the video clip then?

much as sine e winds me up, at least he is scrupulously fair. and he acknowledges that CJ acted up.

yes it didnt influence Garces's decision. But does that mean we have to ignore the pathetic play-acting attempt to do so?

no.

sarries werent worthy of winning. moment of madness from gill. pathetic attempt to make the infringement red rather than yellw by CJ. right result in the end points-wise.

ME you really are a tool. "gil was very ucky he landed on the two in the ruck". was it an aerial tackle? did he throw him in the air? no, he cleared him out and tried to roll him away from the ruck. You cant say someone was airborne if he had continuous connection with the ground (CJ was hanging onto the ball). he was never in the air.

On rewatching the video in slow motion, it looks to me that CJ started 'playacting' because the sarries boys were continuing to play the ball (having given him a slap in the head when he was down).

It also seems to be that he was told to lie down again by his team mates until the medical people came to check him out in case he did some more damage to himself.

Thankfully, he was alright.

ME-109 wrote:

Sin é wrote:

ME-109 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVdY4Nz0lmo about 1.03.00 in to see him not being airborne

Seems to me Gil gives him a little slap into the face after dropping him as well...very naughty.

All this making up that Stander was rolling around the place is clearly just to get Gil away with not being cited for what was a clear red....

Yea I saw that. They also were going to continue playing the ball and maybe that is why CJ reacted as he did to get the attention of the ref.

Ref blew up straight away he was right in view of it...he actually ignores CJ which is why its kind of funny there seems to be some speculation that CJ did some rolling around the place...

When you run it in slow motion, there was a bit of a time lapse.

whatever.

i dont particularly like sarries. but youse are going to get mullered there. bigtime. munster have shown nothing, nothing in attack so far. give a team a home crowd and ref and i dont even think you'll get a lbp.

Sin é wrote:

quinsforever wrote:did you not watch the video clip then?

much as sine e winds me up, at least he is scrupulously fair. and he acknowledges that CJ acted up.

yes it didnt influence Garces's decision. But does that mean we have to ignore the pathetic play-acting attempt to do so?

no.

sarries werent worthy of winning. moment of madness from gill. pathetic attempt to make the infringement red rather than yellw by CJ. right result in the end points-wise.

ME you really are a tool. "gil was very ucky he landed on the two in the ruck". was it an aerial tackle? did he throw him in the air? no, he cleared him out and tried to roll him away from the ruck. You cant say someone was airborne if he had continuous connection with the ground (CJ was hanging onto the ball). he was never in the air.

On rewatching the video in slow motion, it looks to me that CJ started 'playacting' because the sarries boys were continuing to play the ball (having given him a slap in the head when he was down).

It also seems to be that he was told to lie down again by his team mates until the medical people came to check him out in case he did some more damage to himself.

Thankfully, he was alright.

thankfully he was alright?!?!

are you kidding? this is rugby we are talking about not macrame FFS! pathetic overreaction by your crownd, in the attempt to get the YV, and you boys here, to justify CJ's histrionics in hindsight.

I dont know Sin É....this is more simulation I guess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ppwVqvTipU . Doesnt make any difference if you play it in slow motion or not....

quinsforever wrote:whatever.

i dont particularly like sarries. but youse are going to get mullered there. bigtime. munster have shown nothing, nothing in attack so far. give a team a home crowd and ref and i dont even think you'll get a lbp.

You guys will never learn

Whats really disgraceful were the tweets from Mordt and Botha not sure if there were others....very bad form really.

Sin é wrote:

quinsforever wrote:whatever.

i dont particularly like sarries. but youse are going to get mullered there. bigtime. munster have shown nothing, nothing in attack so far. give a team a home crowd and ref and i dont even think you'll get a lbp.

You guys will never learn  

Apparently we have going to get mullered since circa 1999....now that is something that hasnt changed down the years....people always get a little hysterical at times....anyhow we must be doing something right given the reactions...its always quite pleasing.

ME-109 wrote:Whats really disgraceful were the tweets from Mordt and Botha not sure if there were others....very bad form really.

not bad form at all. funny how there has been no stewards inquiry about their comments apart from in your own mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they made them, at the time, in real time.

where there's smoke there's fire. CJ was a play-acting Cat this weekend. whats more disgusting is the example he sets to younger players. but apparently these are traits to aspire to for Munster youngsters accoring to Sin e.

quinsforever wrote:

ME-109 wrote:Whats really disgraceful were the tweets from Mordt and Botha not sure if there were others....very bad form really.

not bad form at all. funny how there has been no stewards inquiry about their comments apart from in your own mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they made them, at the time, in real time.

where there's smoke there's fire. CJ was a play-acting Cat this weekend. whats more disgusting is the example he sets to younger players. but apparently these are traits to aspire to for Munster youngsters accoring to Sin e.

Well its not horse racing QF. Also I didnt see if Botha was tweeting while he was on the pitch or not...that would be impressive really.

Anyhow...looked at the rerun of the game. CJ got dumped then slapped in the face and lay down on the ground. Although in fairness Sin does say there was a split second between the tackle and Garces blowing his whistle...clearly CJ had enough time to put on some makeup and start doing a Dame Edna on it...

ME-109 wrote:Whats really disgraceful were the tweets from Mordt and Botha not sure if there were others....very bad form really.

You can bet if two Munster players did that to a Sarries play, BT would have the video of it on a loop day and night.

quinsforever wrote:

ME-109 wrote:Whats really disgraceful were the tweets from Mordt and Botha not sure if there were others....very bad form really.

not bad form at all. funny how there has been no stewards inquiry about their comments apart from in your own mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they made them, at the time, in real time.

where there's smoke there's fire. CJ was a play-acting Cat this weekend. whats more disgusting is the example he sets to younger players. but apparently these are traits to aspire to for Munster youngsters accoring to Sin e.

CJ is only a baby.

This is real play acting though from Jonathan Thomas   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0YW3AYA570

(holding his head when he hit him in the face )  POC got a 4 week ban for that.

Sin é wrote:

quinsforever wrote:

ME-109 wrote:Whats really disgraceful were the tweets from Mordt and Botha not sure if there were others....very bad form really.

not bad form at all. funny how there has been no stewards inquiry about their comments apart from in your own mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they made them, at the time, in real time.

where there's smoke there's fire. CJ was a play-acting Cat this weekend. whats more disgusting is the example he sets to younger players. but apparently these are traits to aspire to for Munster youngsters accoring to Sin e.

CJ is only a baby.

This is real play acting though from Jonathan Thomas   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0YW3AYA570

(holding his head when he hit him in the face )  POC got a 4 week ban for that.

quinnsforever wrote: dont particularly like sarries. but youse are going to get mullered there. bigtime.

Well Toulon didn't 'muller' us last April in the Velodrome although I do vaguely remember them 'mullering' someone else in the final in Cardiff.

http://balls.ie/rugby/vine-ben-kay-accuses-cj-stander-faking-injury/

comedy. see the appeal he makes to the ref, before writhing around in mock agony.

MunsterMac wrote:

quinnsforever wrote: dont particularly like sarries. but youse are going to get mullered there. bigtime.

Well Toulon didn't 'muller' us last April in the Velodrome although I do vaguely remember them 'mullering' someone else in the final in Cardiff.

Both games were pretty one-sided. The semi-final score certainly didn't reflect Toulon's dominance in that fixture.

Sin é wrote:

quinsforever wrote:

ME-109 wrote:Whats really disgraceful were the tweets from Mordt and Botha not sure if there were others....very bad form really.

not bad form at all. funny how there has been no stewards inquiry about their comments apart from in your own mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they made them, at the time, in real time.

where there's smoke there's fire. CJ was a play-acting Cat this weekend. whats more disgusting is the example he sets to younger players. but apparently these are traits to aspire to for Munster youngsters accoring to Sin e.

CJ is only a baby.

This is real play acting though from Jonathan Thomas   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0YW3AYA570

(holding his head when he hit him in the face )  POC got a 4 week ban for that.

The only unfair thing with that lot was that he ONLY got a 4 week ban, and you wonder why most sensible people want the organisation run from outside IRELAND

wayne wrote:

Sin é wrote:

quinsforever wrote:

ME-109 wrote:Whats really disgraceful were the tweets from Mordt and Botha not sure if there were others....very bad form really.

not bad form at all. funny how there has been no stewards inquiry about their comments apart from in your own mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they made them, at the time, in real time.

where there's smoke there's fire. CJ was a play-acting Cat this weekend. whats more disgusting is the example he sets to younger players. but apparently these are traits to aspire to for Munster youngsters accoring to Sin e.

CJ is only a baby.

This is real play acting though from Jonathan Thomas   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0YW3AYA570

(holding his head when he hit him in the face )  POC got a 4 week ban for that.

The only unfair thing with that lot was that he ONLY got a 4 week ban, and you wonder why most sensible people want the organisation run from outside IRELAND

Just watched that. Nasty JT face smashing POC's forearm.

'I was merely trying to raise me arm to attract the attention of the ref, and due to the old injury I have to swing it back hard at head hight before putting it up'. Yes JT was probably being an idiot, and POC was getting very wound up. Worse things happen but that wasnt good, wasnt good at all.

wayne wrote: most sensible people want the organisation run from outside IRELAND

No,no, wayne. You're going off message now and the ERCC boot boys will be knocking at your door saying you're giving out the wrong Propaganda

The story is it's all for fairness and meritocracy and for Russia, Georgia, Romania and the other little people of Lilliput land. The word 'Ireland' is banned by the bosses. It's about Leagues not Nations.

wayne wrote:

Sin é wrote:

quinsforever wrote:

ME-109 wrote:Whats really disgraceful were the tweets from Mordt and Botha not sure if there were others....very bad form really.

not bad form at all. funny how there has been no stewards inquiry about their comments apart from in your own mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they made them, at the time, in real time.

where there's smoke there's fire. CJ was a play-acting Cat this weekend. whats more disgusting is the example he sets to younger players. but apparently these are traits to aspire to for Munster youngsters accoring to Sin e.

CJ is only a baby.

This is real play acting though from Jonathan Thomas   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0YW3AYA570

(holding his head when he hit him in the face )  POC got a 4 week ban for that.

The only unfair thing with that lot was that he ONLY got a 4 week ban, and you wonder why most sensible people want the organisation run from outside IRELAND

The chairman of the disciplinary committee was Pro Lorne Crerer is from Glasgow. The Judge Jeff Blackett is English (former Navy man). There was even a Welsh man involved (a Simon Thomas).

Are you saying these guys are biased towards Ireland?

lostinwales wrote:

wayne wrote:

Sin é wrote:

quinsforever wrote:

ME-109 wrote:Whats really disgraceful were the tweets from Mordt and Botha not sure if there were others....very bad form really.

not bad form at all. funny how there has been no stewards inquiry about their comments apart from in your own mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they made them, at the time, in real time.

where there's smoke there's fire. CJ was a play-acting Cat this weekend. whats more disgusting is the example he sets to younger players. but apparently these are traits to aspire to for Munster youngsters accoring to Sin e.

CJ is only a baby.

This is real play acting though from Jonathan Thomas   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0YW3AYA570

(holding his head when he hit him in the face )  POC got a 4 week ban for that.

The only unfair thing with that lot was that he ONLY got a 4 week ban, and you wonder why most sensible people want the organisation run from outside IRELAND

Just watched that. Nasty JT face smashing POC's forearm.

'I was merely trying to raise me arm to attract the attention of the ref, and due to the old injury I have to swing it back hard at head hight before putting it up'. Yes JT was probably being an idiot, and POC was getting very wound up. Worse things happen but that wasnt good, wasnt good at all.

Which part, the fact that he was holding his head despite being hit in the face and dropping to the ground like a stone in water.
He was milking it.

(PS, POC got his punishment and took it which is fair enough. Its the play acting that is destroying the game though )

quinsforever wrote:whatever.

i dont particularly like sarries. but youse are going to get mullered there. bigtime. munster have shown nothing, nothing in attack so far. give a team a home crowd and ref and i dont even think you'll get a lbp.

The Munster fans always turn out in big numbers in London/England! The Stoop in April last year is a prime example!!!

Cyril wrote:

MunsterMac wrote:

quinnsforever wrote: dont particularly like sarries. but youse are going to get mullered there. bigtime.

Well Toulon didn't 'muller' us last April in the Velodrome although I do vaguely remember them 'mullering' someone else in the final in Cardiff.

Both games were pretty one-sided. The semi-final score certainly didn't reflect Toulon's dominance in that fixture.

Depends on your point of view really. If you mean Munster playing in Toulon still being within a score of winning up to the last minute is one sided (after being pinged off the park in the first half and messing up some scoring opportunities in the second) then I guess you are correct. If on the other hand you mean Saracens playing a final at home in effect and not really showing up then I guess you are correct there as well.

At least POC has allowed a few English boys to support a Welsh player He's useful for something is big Paulie. Diplomacy and Peace Talks should be his specialty when he retires.

"Now look here. What we want is peace right! So, we'll have no eye gouging like that..see! No, stamping, like....hold on...like..That! And no hand back passes to the face like..... wait here...come back here!....like THAT! _____ Now, someone call an ambulance please - there's a few Peace delegates in need of attention".

petethepete wrote:

quinsforever wrote:whatever.

i dont particularly like sarries. but youse are going to get mullered there. bigtime. munster have shown nothing, nothing in attack so far. give a team a home crowd and ref and i dont even think you'll get a lbp.

The Munster fans always turn out in big numbers in London/England! The Stoop in April last year is a prime example!!!  

Yea, the Munster fans are good at travelling, but the French fans always turn up in their own back garden and don't travel so well.

As BOD said the other night, the Thomond Park crowd are worth a good 7-10pts.

Shut it BOD! If ever there was a "we're still better than yous even though you won by 7 points" excuse, that's it.

If Saracens hear about that one, they'll say they were only beaten a Thomand Park crowd, and that BOD agrees with them.

Sin é wrote:

wayne wrote:

Sin é wrote:

quinsforever wrote:

ME-109 wrote:Whats really disgraceful were the tweets from Mordt and Botha not sure if there were others....very bad form really.

not bad form at all. funny how there has been no stewards inquiry about their comments apart from in your own mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they made them, at the time, in real time.

where there's smoke there's fire. CJ was a play-acting Cat this weekend. whats more disgusting is the example he sets to younger players. but apparently these are traits to aspire to for Munster youngsters accoring to Sin e.

CJ is only a baby.

This is real play acting though from Jonathan Thomas   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0YW3AYA570

(holding his head when he hit him in the face )  POC got a 4 week ban for that.

The only unfair thing with that lot was that he ONLY got a 4 week ban, and you wonder why most sensible people want the organisation run from outside IRELAND

The chairman of the disciplinary committee was Pro Lorne Crerer is from Glasgow. The Judge Jeff Blackett is English (former Navy man). There was even a Welsh man involved (a Simon Thomas).

Are you saying these guys are biased towards Ireland?

Where is the organisation RUN from, who appoints these minions, if you want to carry on being on the disciplinary panel you have to give a lenient sentence to our poor PAULIE, if it was Ianto (Ian Evans) he would have been hung, drawn and quartered and that wouldn't have been enough.

Cyril wrote:Both games were pretty one-sided. The semi-final score certainly didn't reflect Toulon's dominance in that fixture.

Funny that. My recollection of the match was that Toulon had much the better of the first half but Munster had the better of the second half and despite being 8 points down continued to attack right up to the final whistle. I also recall Toulon admitting that it was by far their toughest match last season.

My recollection of the final was that it was over as a contest by the 60th minute with Saracens a beaten rabble.

wayne wrote:Where is the organisation RUN from, who appoints these minions, if you want to carry on being on the disciplinary panel you have to give a lenient sentence to our poor PAULIE, if it was Ianto (Ian Evans) he would have been hung, drawn and quartered and that wouldn't have been enough.  

Good stuff wayne.  You're box office.  The foreign companies in Ireland look out their windows every morning, look down on all the 'breakfast roll' builders once again getting the tea ready for the first break of twenty before work starts...and they do what?  
They revise their whole business plans in an instant just in case a spreadsheet falls out the window and down into the cuppa tea of the Breakfast roll army.  Beware the Breakfast Roll Army if your business ain't devising rules to make it easier for Irish people to cheat.

It's a nice image, kinda like one of the more zany espiodes of The Simpsons when the town becomes a ravenous mob.

wayne wrote:

Sin é wrote:

wayne wrote:

Sin é wrote:

quinsforever wrote:

ME-109 wrote:Whats really disgraceful were the tweets from Mordt and Botha not sure if there were others....very bad form really.

not bad form at all. funny how there has been no stewards inquiry about their comments apart from in your own mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

they made them, at the time, in real time.

where there's smoke there's fire. CJ was a play-acting Cat this weekend. whats more disgusting is the example he sets to younger players. but apparently these are traits to aspire to for Munster youngsters accoring to Sin e.

CJ is only a baby.

This is real play acting though from Jonathan Thomas   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0YW3AYA570

(holding his head when he hit him in the face )  POC got a 4 week ban for that.

The only unfair thing with that lot was that he ONLY got a 4 week ban, and you wonder why most sensible people want the organisation run from outside IRELAND

The chairman of the disciplinary committee was Pro Lorne Crerer is from Glasgow. The Judge Jeff Blackett is English (former Navy man). There was even a Welsh man involved (a Simon Thomas).

Are you saying these guys are biased towards Ireland?

Where is the organisation RUN from, who appoints these minions, if you want to carry on being on the disciplinary panel you have to give a lenient sentence to our poor PAULIE, if it was Ianto (Ian Evans) he would have been hung, drawn and quartered and that wouldn't have been enough.  

Actually, I think it has always went against Irish teams in that they always looked not to be playing favourites. Another sample of this is for example how Munster have only managed to draw one home semi final (out of about 10) and that was against Leinster and it ended up in Dublin anyway. The French teams seem to be very 'lucky' with home semi draws.*

*semis are selected by names out of a hat.

MunsterMac wrote:

Cyril wrote:Both games were pretty one-sided. The semi-final score certainly didn't reflect Toulon's dominance in that fixture.

Funny that. My recollection of the match was that Toulon had much the better of the first half but Munster had the better of the second half and despite being 8 points down continued to attack right up to the final whistle. I also recall Toulon admitting that it was by far their toughest match last season.

My recollection of the final was that it was over as a contest by the 60th minute with Saracens a beaten rabble.

Here you go Cyril..just to refresh your memory.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzJb7rMIt8A

Oh and here's the final as a contrast...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqfCIxiln3Y...worth a look to see Habanas dive if you want to see some simulation.

ME-109 wrote:

MunsterMac wrote:

Cyril wrote:Both games were pretty one-sided. The semi-final score certainly didn't reflect Toulon's dominance in that fixture.

Funny that. My recollection of the match was that Toulon had much the better of the first half but Munster had the better of the second half and despite being 8 points down continued to attack right up to the final whistle. I also recall Toulon admitting that it was by far their toughest match last season.

My recollection of the final was that it was over as a contest by the 60th minute with Saracens a beaten rabble.

Here you go Cyril..just to refresh your memory.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzJb7rMIt8A

Oh and here's the final as a contrast...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqfCIxiln3Y...worth a look to see Habanas dive if you want to see some simulation.

It's interesting how viewers see completely different things when watching the same game, isn't it?

Habana's dive was a classic of the genre. At least he had the good grace to look suitably sheepish

The full match is up there as well if you want to see it. However your terms of reference in relation to what you want to see or believe seems to be your main filter.

For me we lost...we gave it a good shot and made a few mistakes gifting Toulon points. Toulon were good for the win though. Pity we didnt get them at home...but thats the luck of the draw.

ME-109 wrote:The full match is up there as well if you want to see it. However your terms of reference in relation to what you want to see or believe seems to be your main filter.

For me we lost...we gave it a good shot and made a few mistakes gifting Toulon points. Toulon were good for the win though. Pity we didnt get them at home...but thats the luck of the draw.

Strange, that's exactly how I view your comments.

The truth is probably somewhere in-between

PS I'm not going to view the whole game again. It was no classic.

You should have a look Cyril. It might help, at least your basic maths skills and relative perception...

here this might help, its somewhat similar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFTgkibl7DU