We Go Again! The 2014/15 Premier League Thread

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Dirty, scheming, diving sh!thouse.

[Crimey]

If Roy had picked Messi, Ronaldo, and say Lahm, it wouldn't have been a story.

I agree, but he didn't but that's why it is a story.

Superrealist is either being facetious, or genuinely ignorant as to why the England national team manager is worthy of a news story in England as opposed to a minor Spanish tennis player being worth of one in Spain.

[Ent]

Not like it's head line news. It's the era of 24 hour news channels, news websites and apps - not one daily television bulletin and a daily newspaper.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Its always weird agreeing with Ent. Even more so when he's a voice of reason

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Indeed dolph, indeed

[mystiroakey]

SOnogo to palace hey.

Not sure - he seems like bolasie , zaha type.

loads of tricks not enough end product yet..

He did have a cracking youth record mind but hasn't done it at arsernal- He is probally a step up on all of our strikers bar gayle mind.. and maybe has the physicality that gayle doesnt quite have yet.

[Fernando]

You haven't seen Sanogo much have you Mysti Think Adebayor Jr but with a worse touch.

Robert Huth charged by the FA for playing man sausage or No man sausage on twitter.

[mystiroakey]

Wenger is no mug- he must have something about him..

Lets see anyway.

[Guest]

You haven't seen Sanogo much have you Mysti Think Adebayor Jr but with a worse touch

Pardew states, "He's a young player with tremendous promise," - errrrrr, no Alan, he's absolutely terrible, hence why Arsenal fans are stating, 'please don't come back to the Emirates, Yaya'.

Pardew further states "He is somebody that I have tracked personally and this club has too, so that fitted well." - Yes, you tracked him, you went to Ashley & said can we buy him & Ashley laughed in your face & denied you.

Thank god Pardew left, otherwise we would of ended up with this shocker. Also, Adebayor with a worse touch is being generous.

[Fernando]

He's better then what you have but he's very much like Adebayor. He can't really run with the ball very well so some punting will need to be done He'll do fine if want him to hold it up but finishing and running with the ball he needs to improve a lot so hopefully the time at Palace will help with that.

[mystiroakey]

well i doubt he is better than gayle or even murray at finishing- but he will probally be better than chamak ot cambell at holding the ball up and finishing combined.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Bony at City...how good can he be?

[Hammersmith harrier]

He'll turn out just like Remy and Ba, under used and his form will suffer because of it.

[Crimey]

It depends if the plan is for him to take Dzeko's place in the front two with Aguero or he's back up to Dzeko, if its the former he'll thrive, the latter he'll struggle and leave in 18 months for a cut price to a team like AC Milan.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

He slots in behind Aguero for me as there second best striker, which considering Aguero's injury record means he should get some decent play time

[Guest]

Don't see this being negatively similar to Remy or Ba situation. This is a £28m deal, with far bigger impact on FFP, for them to give him barely minutes on the field. He's better than the one dimensional Dzeko & should play alongside Aguero in their 4-4-2 or up top alone, when Aguero is injured or rotated. Bony should get 15+ league starts, which is acceptable, when playing for a top team, given the competition. Throw in the fact City play in four competitions, means he won't be starved of action.

He wants to win trophies & get paid heavily, don't blame him for moving on at this stage of his career.

[Guest]

Defoe having medical at Sunderland

Yeah, think it will be a good move for Bony, people too quick to be negative towards the move. When joining a top club, you have to sacrifice some playing time, unless your a superstar. If he gets 15 or 20 league starts + subs apps, that's a decent amount of football.

[Crimey]

Would have liked Defoe until I saw he's going to be on £70,000 a week, not worth that at all.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Gotta laugh. The world could see Bony to Liverpool should have been done this summer but not a sniffle. Remy turned away. Screw it, I'd pay Defoe £70k a week if I were Liverpool till the end of the season anyway.

[kwinigolfer]

Sunderland have seemingly had money to burn since the days of Len Shackleton - never done them much good.
But Defoe and Fletcher up front at least offer two Prem goalscorers. Hope they stay up.

[John Cregan]

Coleman to Man United looks like a perfect fit.

[Ent]

Lot of money and not sure I can see him in a 5 man midfield.

[Mat]

Albion interested in Darren Fletcher amongst many others. Hmm.

[Guest]

Coleman @ £25m is it? Standard PL price, think his level has dropped this year personally. He'd be the wing-back with Shaw on the other side surely. Valencia is just pure poopie & needed replacing. LVG just going to spend his way too as much as success in his short three year stint.

[Ent]

Shaws been poor as a wing back.

Big difference both attacking and defending in the role. Not seeing everything and coming onto play at wing back.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Wing back is a specialised position and personally think Valencia has done an admirable job, Shaw's played really well at full back but doesn't have the attacking flair to be the focal point down the flanks.

[guildfordbat]

Sunderland have seemingly had money to burn since the days of Len Shackleton - never done them much good.
But Defoe and Fletcher up front at least offer two Prem goalscorers. Hope they stay up.

Nice one, Kwini. You'll already know this but many of the young guns here probably won't be aware that Len Shackleton included in his autobiography a chapter headed, 'What the Average Director knows about Football'. It consisted of one blank page.

[Ent]

Wing back is a specialised position and personally think Valencia has done an admirable job, Shaw's played really well at full back but doesn't have the attacking flair to be the focal point down the flanks.

I'm not a big fan of valencia but he has done well, a slightly different starting position in possession has allowed him to come inside and make him a bit less predictable. Crossing is still atrocious mind.

[socal1976]

Don't see this being negatively similar to Remy or Ba situation. This is a £28m deal, with far bigger impact on FFP, for them to give him barely minutes on the field. He's better than the one dimensional Dzeko & should play alongside Aguero in their 4-4-2 or up top alone, when Aguero is injured or rotated. Bony should get 15+ league starts, which is acceptable, when playing for a top team, given the competition. Throw in the fact City play in four competitions, means he won't be starved of action.

He wants to win trophies & get paid heavily, don't blame him for moving on at this stage of his career.

I also like Bony, wish we would have bought him instead of Welbeck although Welbeck I think will develop into a good forward. I would rate him being better than Dzeko. He is a physical brute, good in the air, but is a deft passer and has much better feet than Dzeko and athleticism. Dzeko is pretty damn clinical though when he does get a good look at goal. Plus with Aguero having a lot of injury issues who to say that he won't get a great deal of time.

[FootballLight]

Been a while since I was on here and really do need to catch up.

There is some crazy stuff in the news now. "Is computer gaming a sport?" Was that ever going to be a question? It turns out it is. If physical activity is typing/clicking a few buttons for a sustained period of time and sitting on your fat @rsé violently slamming your keyboard/control pad when the opposition player/team scores a goal or something goes in the game and stuffing your face with chocolate and drinking maybe a can or beer or 2, then yes, it is a sport. But is that physical activity, no. If that was the case, we are always "physically active" as we constantly move our body really or it is very rare that your body doesn't move for long periods of time (unless you are a static sofa bear). Case closed.

[FootballLight]

Don't see this being negatively similar to Remy or Ba situation. This is a £28m deal, with far bigger impact on FFP, for them to give him barely minutes on the field. He's better than the one dimensional Dzeko & should play alongside Aguero in their 4-4-2 or up top alone, when Aguero is injured or rotated. Bony should get 15+ league starts, which is acceptable, when playing for a top team, given the competition. Throw in the fact City play in four competitions, means he won't be starved of action.

He wants to win trophies & get paid heavily, don't blame him for moving on at this stage of his career.

I also like Bony, wish we would have bought him instead of Welbeck although Welbeck I think will develop into a good forward. I would rate him being better than Dzeko. He is a physical brute, good in the air, but is a deft passer and has much better feet than Dzeko and athleticism. Dzeko is pretty damn clinical though when he does get a good look at goal. Plus with Aguero having a lot of injury issues who to say that he won't get a great deal of time.

Dzeko is better for City definitely. He has far more European experience and has consistently scored plenty of goals in 2 of the world's top 3 divisions now, no one can deny that. Maybe not the most mobile, but neither is Bony really. He has shown with his goals he is capable of handling the weight of expectations, that question with Bony remains to be seen at this point. Bony is a better passer but I'd say Dzeko could score more with his feet than what Bony could and he has got a cracking. Bony is a very good player, tailored at the wrong club for me. Good deal for Swansea though. They need to make some use of their money this time and not blowing it on Jonjo Shelvey from Liverpool.

[FootballLight]

Lets not throw into the hat that we said the same when another of Swansea's players moved to City. Anyone remember Scott Sinclair? We all aid remarkably similar things about that fella as well and it's not as is City are loaded with players that are "natural wingers". Navas and then...? Silva is AMC. Milner isn't a winger, although versatile. Sinclair is a winger and you know how Pellegrini loves his wingers and still doesn't get a look in and ended up with a unsuccessful loan spell at West Brom last season.

Just bare that a seconds thought and then maybe consider a slight adjustment to your judgements. Not to say they are wrong and will be wrong, opinions are highly valued when debating and this makes it a great atmosphere. But when we look at the "even bigger" picture, there are still some small but potentially crucial facts to consider.

(I also apologise for my overuse of my inverted speech marks. "")

[Hammersmith harrier]

Bony is on a slightly different level to Sinclair and has been signed because they needed a striker not to appease domestic quota's like the latter was.

[Guest]

Computer gaming a sport? This is football forum son!
Dzeko could score more with his feet than Bony????
Bony isn't very mobile? Comical stuff
Sinclair has always been dog muck, no comparison to Bony whatsoever. Mancini was clueless & was only signed to make the quota.

[Guest]

John

[Guest]

FL, jonjo wasn't a bad waste of money, played well last year, only cost about £5m. He's gone off the boil but he's still young. Majority of their signings have been pretty decent to be fair. They need to worry about losing Gomis in the summer, apparently he has a clause that enables him to leave for £8m.

Not sure about your scepticism of the Bony deal or his ability.

[mystiroakey]

John has severe depression from losing one of the best managers in the PL to a small time team(relatively). Don't listen to a word he says until he gets medical help.

[FootballLight]

I'm reading from the BBC and putting it here. It is allowed yes?
Maybe not this season but I know who I'd play out of Dzeko or Bony, it's a no brainer Dzeko.
He's not really is he.
Saying this now, however, when at the top of his game for Swansea is was completely different.

Bony will end up like Sinclair. They already have someone in there to do the business up front.

Gomis isn't great either to be honest. Similar players and has nipped in with 1 solitary league goal in 11 Premier League appearances (albeit many off the bench). I'd sell him for £8m tbh, it's £8m profit and I'm sure with the Bony money they could easily take a crack at signing Ings or Austin for around £10m. Jordan Rhodes isn't a bad option either for a goalscorer if you go lower down. Then there is the easy option of dipping into Europe to splash £5-10m on a striker, simple stuff now.

Shelvey was half decent last year and has lost the plot this year if I'm honest. Even his manager has criticized him for being "lazy" so that tells you all you really need to know. I'd be happy to settle on a price of something around £5m to see Shelvey leave Swansea.

[lfc91]

Liverpool recall Jordan Ibe and possibly Origi, in my eyes both better options than lambert or ballotelli...they both move for a start.

[Guest]

Be careful what you wish for, Ibe is massively inexperienced, hardly proven at this level & Origi has had a nightmare of a season. What is it, 3 goals for Lille & he at one point, didn't even score for over 900 minutes or something. Lambert & Mario are bad, nothing to suggest these two will solve anything or can adequately replace them.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Computer gaming a sport? This is football forum son!
Dzeko could score more with his feet than Bony????
Bony isn't very mobile? Comical stuff
Sinclair has always been dog muck, no comparison to Bony whatsoever. Mancini was clueless & was only signed to make the quota.

Oh the sheer humanity of comparing Bony to Sinclair. My brain cannot take such depths of despair

[lfc91]

Lambert and ballotelli have offered nothing at all this season, zero. So even if ibe and Origi bring nothing, they can't make the situation any worse! And like I said before...they move. Lamberts to slow to make any sort of significant movements and ballotelli refuses to! Ideally if rather see both of them sold off and 1 striker of proven quality signed this window, but think that's unlikely so this is the next best thing.

[Gerry SA]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30849719

Louis van Gaal is still a d!ckhead. Just like he was at Barcelona...

[Guest]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30849719

Louis van Gaal is still a d!ckhead. Just like he was at Barcelona...

WHY? Falcao definitely hasn't proved himself for Utd especially when you consider he's costing them £40k A DAY!!!!!

Don't particularly like LVG, seems to have everyone believing he's a tactical genius when the truth is Utd have been luckier this season than last, but still have the same points tally and a better position in the table. Utd haven't improved, the rest have regressed but that's not Van Gaal's problem is it. However, he's right about Falcao and everyone else having to prove themselves.

[Gerry SA]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30849719

Louis van Gaal is still a d!ckhead. Just like he was at Barcelona...

WHY? Falcao definitely hasn't proved himself for Utd especially when you consider he's costing them £40k A DAY!!!!!

Don't particularly like LVG, seems to have everyone believing he's a tactical genius when the truth is Utd have been luckier this season than last, but still have the same points tally and a better position in the table. Utd haven't improved, the rest have regressed but that's not Van Gaal's problem is it. However, he's right about Falcao and everyone else having to prove themselves.

That's nonsense Dave. When Falcao has played well(Stoke) van Gaal still hauls him off. 

Yet whenever possible van Gaal will give his love child Robin van Persie countless chances, when van Persie has been dreadful for the majority of the season.

Falcao can't prove himself if the knucklehead manager doesn't give him a fair chance. As Falcao showed at FC Porto and Atletico, he's the best in the business,

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Falcao hasnt been fit nearly enough for it to be a love affair with RVP thats limiting Falcao's appearances. He DEFINITELY still needs to prove himself. This isn't back when he was a non-stop machine, he's now clearly held back by his knees and not hitting the ground running. I think hes better than RVP for United at the moment cos his movement is better, but his fitness isnt and he isnt proving worth the money

[Dolphin Ziggler]

West Ham's sponsor Alpari has gone into insolvency. You may remember this has happened to us before, back when XL went under and we played with a white sticker over their logo. A lot of us actually believe this might be a good thing as the deal wasnt huge for us, but now we're seemingly a team on the up and will obviously get a bit more coverage next year with it being our last at the Boleyn. Gotta laugh though, twice in a few years

[FootballLight]

Falcao is a goalscorer and if he can become fit once again and actually put at least 70 minutes into a game and not a measly 20 minutes off the bench than United will get more goals. Surely RVP and him have to be rotated or both played up top though?

[Hammersmith harrier]

You've summed why he's only been getting 20 minutes at the start of your post so seems a pointless comment to make.

[FootballLight]

What? What seems a pointless comment to make? The full stop indicates I have made a 2nd point. I don't understand what you are talking about.

[Hammersmith harrier]

If he can become fit again makes the rest pointless to say but like John said yesterday you don't offer a lot.

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