Wales v England - 6 February 2015 - Match thread

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Wales v England
6 February 2015
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
Kick off at 20.05

Referee: Jérôme Garcès (FFR)
AR1: Romain Poite (FFR)
AR2: Mathieu Raynal (FFR)
TMO: Simon McDowell (IRFU)

Live on BBC1

Wales

01. Gethin Jenkins
02. Richard Hibbard
03. Samson Lee
04. Alun Wyn Jones
05. Jake Ball
06. Dan Lydiate
07. Sam Warburton (c)
08. Toby Faletau

09. Rhys Webb
10. Dan Biggar
11. George North
12. Jamie Roberts
13. Jonathan Davies
14. Alex Cuthbert
15. Leigh Halfpenny

16. Scott Baldwin
17. Paul James
18. Aaron Jarvis
19. Luke Charteris
20. Justin Tipuric
21. Mike Phillips
22. Rhys Preistland
23. Liam Williams

England

15. Mike Brown
14. Anthony Watson
13. Jonathan Joseph
12. Luther Burrell
11. Jonny May
10. George Ford
09. Ben Youngs  

01. Joe Marler
02. Dylan Hartley
03. Dan Cole
04. David Attwood
05. George Kruis
06. James Haskell
07. Chris Robshaw (captain)
08. Billy Vunipola

16. Tom Youngs
17. Mako Vunipola
18. Kieran Brookes
19. Tom Croft
20. Nick Easter
21. Richard Wigglesworth
22. Danny Cipriani
23. Billy Twelvetrees

[LeinsterFan4life]

Advantage is over when you gain an advantage. The kick went about 10 meters so herefore the ref was right.

[Mike Selig]

Yawn. The kick didnt benefit Wales (was it deflected?) so ref has to go back to the penalty otherwise what's the point of earning a penalty..

It wasn't a penalty, it was a knock on, so therefore advantage is over once you kick it.

Says which law?

[Steve_rugby]

Cuthbert shown the yellow

About time.

[The Saint]

What are Wales trying to do? It's a bit of a clear and obvious game plan. Nothing like in the autumn series.

[nathan]

Who's next in line for Jenkins?

[The Saint]

Forward pass to ford...

[nathan]

Forward pass to ford...

Nope.

[nathan]

Ooooh bbc have a new in the bin display. How very posh.

[Mike Selig]

England well on top at the moment but really need another score or two to give themselves some breathing space. Don't want to go into the last 5 or 10 with just one score in it.

[Steve_rugby]

Forward pass to ford...

Nope

[Mike Selig]

Forward pass to ford...

Marginal IMO.

Think England have gotten away with a couple of the more recent scrums. Both recent resets could have been Wales penalties.

[quinsforever]

here you go mike selig
15.6 Other players
(a)
After a tackle, all other players must be on their feet when they play the ball. Players are on their feet if no other part of their body is supported by the ground or players on the ground.

"All other players" (i.e. neither the tackler nor the tackled player) being the key phrase. I.e. doesn't refer to the tackler. As I said, the concept of a tackler not supporting his weight makes no sense. By definition a tackler has gone to ground.

Yellow card entirely correct BTW. Blatant penalty in the red zone. Good decision.

are you suggesting a tackler, on the ground, can play the ball? if he gets up then his is "any other player" once he rejoins. supporting body weight rule applies for everyone who wants to put their hands on the ball

[Fernando]

Ooooh bbc have a new in the bin display. How very posh.

It's what your TV license money goes on

[nathan]

England well on top at the moment but really need another score or two to give themselves some breathing space. Don't want to go into the last 5 or 10 with just one score in it.

I still tnk Wales will edge it at the end.

[The Saint]

Very very limited and one dimensional play.

[nathan]

Ooooh bbc have a new in the bin display. How very posh.

It's what your TV license money goes on

Haha, bet it cost £100,000 to implement.

[TheRugbyMaster]

1/2p easy penalty miss crucial right now

[nathan]

Wales bringing on another forward in Phillips. Wiggles worth

[quinsforever]

surely george north should be off? bit shocking that he is still on the field after 1 clear concussion just cause cuthbert's got a yellow.

not surprising mind.

[Mike Selig]

here you go mike selig
15.6 Other players
(a)
After a tackle, all other players must be on their feet when they play the ball. Players are on their feet if no other part of their body is supported by the ground or players on the ground.

"All other players" (i.e. neither the tackler nor the tackled player) being the key phrase. I.e. doesn't refer to the tackler. As I said, the concept of a tackler not supporting his weight makes no sense. By definition a tackler has gone to ground.

Yellow card entirely correct BTW. Blatant penalty in the red zone. Good decision.

are you suggesting a tackler, on the ground, can play the ball? if he gets up then his is "any other player" once he rejoins. supporting body weight rule applies for everyone who wants to put their hands on the ball

I think we are now arguing semantics. I agree that any player not supporting his feet at the breakdown shouldn't play the ball or indeed interfere in anyway. However the original post said the tackler not supporting his weight was an offence. I was merely pointing out that this is an absurdity.

I don't like people nitpicking officials' decisions overall. I think Garces has had a decent game, it's been fair and balanced, and no major howlers. Given how complex the sport is to referee I think that's as good as you can hope for.

[nathan]

Ahhhh brown

[nathan]

Where's his zimmer?

[Davie]

Easter comes early this year

[Mike Selig]

Having said that Garces bottled that one. Either Wales pen or turnover to Eng IMO.

[Notch]

surely george north should be off? bit shocking that he is still on the field after 1 clear concussion just cause cuthbert's got a yellow.

not surprising mind.

It's awful, he really has to be off the pitch for his own welfare. Knocked out twice in one game- time to go.

[Guest]

We deserve to lose this for being absolutely gash.

[whocares]

here you go mike selig
15.6 Other players
(a)
After a tackle, all other players must be on their feet when they play the ball. Players are on their feet if no other part of their body is supported by the ground or players on the ground.

"All other players" (i.e. neither the tackler nor the tackled player) being the key phrase. I.e. doesn't refer to the tackler. As I said, the concept of a tackler not supporting his weight makes no sense. By definition a tackler has gone to ground.

Yellow card entirely correct BTW. Blatant penalty in the red zone. Good decision.

are you suggesting a tackler, on the ground, can play the ball? if he gets up then his is "any other player" once he rejoins. supporting body weight rule applies for everyone who wants to put their hands on the ball

I think we are now arguing semantics. I agree that any player not supporting his feet at the breakdown shouldn't play the ball or indeed interfere in anyway. However the original post said the tackler not supporting his weight was an offence. I was merely pointing out that this is an absurdity.

I don't like people nitpicking officials' decisions overall. I think Garces has had a decent game, it's been fair and balanced, and no major howlers. Given how complex the sport is to referee I think that's as good as you can hope for.

+1
Does Easter often plays lock?

[Fernando]

try Wales 16-23 England

[nathan]

Get in!!!

[TheRugbyMaster]

Wales in second half capitulation shocker eh? What ever next?

[Guest]

Well played England B!

[quinsforever]

here you go mike selig
15.6 Other players
(a)
After a tackle, all other players must be on their feet when they play the ball. Players are on their feet if no other part of their body is supported by the ground or players on the ground.

"All other players" (i.e. neither the tackler nor the tackled player) being the key phrase. I.e. doesn't refer to the tackler. As I said, the concept of a tackler not supporting his weight makes no sense. By definition a tackler has gone to ground.

Yellow card entirely correct BTW. Blatant penalty in the red zone. Good decision.

are you suggesting a tackler, on the ground, can play the ball? if he gets up then his is "any other player" once he rejoins. supporting body weight rule applies for everyone who wants to put their hands on the ball

I think we are now arguing semantics. I agree that any player not supporting his feet at the breakdown shouldn't play the ball or indeed interfere in anyway. However the original post said the tackler not supporting his weight was an offence. I was merely pointing out that this is an absurdity.

I don't like people nitpicking officials' decisions overall. I think Garces has had a decent game, it's been fair and balanced, and no major howlers. Given how complex the sport is to referee I think that's as good as you can hope for.

you were the one nitpicking. anyone playing the ball cannot lie on players on the ground. tackler or 2nd tackler or next entrant to the ruck. saying there is no rule that tackler cant lie on the player on the ground irrelevant once tackler tries to play the ball.

agree the refs job is hard.

[Fernando]

Was some blocking there....

[The Saint]

I don't think it interfered with play, does that count orrr....

[quinsforever]

try Wales 16-23 England

yay

[Fernando]

Try disallowed

[nathan]

Feck

[TheRugbyMaster]

Well played England B!

[Guest]

We're very lucky there. Seem them missed in the past.

[nathan]

Moore pisses me off banging about that's the refs decision blah blah. Yes Brian we all know that

[quinsforever]

easter was behind the ball when it was passed. therefore cannot be obstruction. shocking decision. shocking. needs to learn the rules.

[nathan]

36 on, we've lost

[quinsforever]

awful awful awful.

garces will be demoted for this. you heard it here first.

[whocares]

Very harsh in my opinion. That obstruction didnt really have an impact on the play it's a matter of interpretation I suppose.

[Steve_rugby]

Since when was a TMO allowed to tell the ref that he should look at a reason not to award the try, I thought the referee had to call on the TMO's services ?

[Fernando]

Penalty to England for Holding on

[Mike Selig]

hmmmm. That could have gone either way IMO. Undoubtedly obstruction, but did it have (enough of) an effect on the game? For me, in the end probably not clear and obvious enough, but not that fussed either way, but big big call.

[nathan]

Lol, this ref really does give the holding on call quickly. At least he's consistant

[Steve_rugby]

easter was behind the ball when it was passed. therefore cannot be obstruction. shocking decision. shocking. needs to learn the rules.

Laws

[The Saint]

easter was behind the ball when it was passed. therefore cannot be obstruction. shocking decision. shocking. needs to learn the rules.

Maybe it's you that needs to learn the rules. You've been talking absolute rubbish all game.

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