6N Round 3: Scotland v Italy, 28 February

by **RDW** Sun Feb 15, 2015 9:11 pm

First topic message reminder :

SCOTLAND v ITALY
Saturday 28 February 2015
KO 14:30 (GMT)
BT Murrayfield, Edinburgh

Live on BBC1

Referee: George Clancy (IRFU) 6N Round 3: Scotland v Italy, 28 February - Page 8 Gaah11

6N Round 3: Scotland v Italy, 28 February - Page 8 Gaah11

AR1: Romain Poite (FFR)
AR2: Leighton Hodges (WRU)
TMO: Graham Hughes (RFU)

A. Teams:

1. SCOTLAND
6N Round 3: Scotland v Italy, 28 February - Page 8 Susan_10

15 Stuart Hogg
14 Tommy Seymour
13 Mark Bennett
12 Alex Dunbar
11 Sean Lamont
10 Peter Horne
09 Greig Laidlaw (capt)

01 Alasdair Dickinson
02 Ross Ford
03 Euan Murray
04 Tim Swinson
05 Jonny Gray
06 Rob Harley
07 Blair Cowan
08 Johnnie Beattie

16 Fraser Brown
17 Ryan Grant
18 Geoff Cross
19 Ben Toolis
20 Hamish Watson
21 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne
22 Greig Tonks
23 Matt Scott

2. ITALY
6N Round 3: Scotland v Italy, 28 February - Page 8 Murino11

6N Round 3: Scotland v Italy, 28 February - Page 8 Murino11

15 Luke McLean
14 Michele Visentin
13 Luca Morisi
12 Enrico Bacchin
11 Giovambattista Venditti
10 Kelly Haimona
09 Edoardo Gori

01 Matias Aguero
02 Leonardo Ghiraldini
03 Dario Chistolini
04 George Fabio Biagi
05 Joshua Furno
06 Francesco Minto
07 Simone Favaro
08 Sergio Parisse (capt)

16 Andrea Manici
17 Alberto De Marchi
18 Lorenzo Cittadini
19 Marco Fuser
20 Samuela Vunisa
21 Guglielmo Palazzani
22 Tommaso Allan
23 Giulio Bisegni.

B. Form (last 4 games):

1. SCOTLAND

15/02/15 - Scotland 23 - 26 Wales

07/02/15 - France 15 - 8 Scotland

22/11/14 - Scotland 37 - 12 Tonga

15/11/14 - Scotland 16 - 24 New Zealand

2. ITALY

14/02/15 - England 47 - 17 Italy

07/02/15 - Italy 3 - 26 Ireland

22/11/14 - Italy 6–22 South Africa

14/11/14 - Italy 18–20 Argentina

C. Head to Head:

21 Played 21

14 Wins 7

7 Losses 14

0 Draws 0

40 Tries 28

30 Conversions 23

58 Penalties 50

5 Drop Goals 6

475 Points 365

by aqualung71 Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:47 pm

hello everyone, brand new here

by SecretFly Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:48 pm

Get lost!

by aqualung71 Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:51 pm

SecretFly wrote:Get lost!

me? why?

by EWT Spoons Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:59 pm

aqualung71 wrote:hello everyone, brand new here

Welcome aqualung. I'm guessing you have an affiliation with one of the two teams here (either that or its a very odd thread to introduce yourself on Smile

).

by SecretFly Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:01 pm

Oh I almost forgot to come back and let you know it was a ... Wink

comment.

That would have been a disaster if I forgot to come back!.

No, its just whenever I see a newbie present himself so nicely and innocently, I just always have the urge to 'shock' them a little with a initial bad tempered response.

No, you're most welcome to the nuthouse aqualung Hug

by aqualung71 Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:14 pm

EWT Spoons wrote:
aqualung71 wrote:hello everyone, brand new here

Welcome aqualung. I'm guessing you have an affiliation with one of the two teams here (either that or its a very odd thread to introduce yourself on ).

sure thing, I'm Italian and sincerely not looking too much forward for the clash, I can't see anything good for us coming from Edimbra

by **RDW** Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:17 pm

aqualung71 wrote:
EWT Spoons wrote:
aqualung71 wrote:hello everyone, brand new here

Welcome aqualung. I'm guessing you have an affiliation with one of the two teams here (either that or its a very odd thread to introduce yourself on ).

sure thing, I'm Italian and sincerely not looking too much forward for the clash, I can't see anything good for us coming from Edimbra

Welcome to the forum - I think you're our first Italian! Hug

by aqualung71 Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:21 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:
aqualung71 wrote:
EWT Spoons wrote:
aqualung71 wrote:hello everyone, brand new here

Welcome aqualung. I'm guessing you have an affiliation with one of the two teams here (either that or its a very odd thread to introduce yourself on ).

sure thing, I'm Italian and sincerely not looking too much forward for the clash, I can't see anything good for us coming from Edimbra

Welcome to the forum - I think you're our first Italian!

so you have one to make fun at...just in cas thumbsup

by aqualung71 Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:48 pm

I don't think scottish injuries will affect that much the performance, my only question is only if Scotland will be able to score a few tries, since I'm convinced, and I hope, Haimona or Allan will not repeat the terrible kicking performance of Twicknham

by GLove39 Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:59 pm

aqualung71 wrote:
EWT Spoons wrote:
aqualung71 wrote:hello everyone, brand new here

Welcome aqualung. I'm guessing you have an affiliation with one of the two teams here (either that or its a very odd thread to introduce yourself on ).

sure thing, I'm Italian and sincerely not looking too much forward for the clash, I can't see anything good for us coming from Edimbra

Nonsense, you'll be well on course for another one of these...
6N Round 3: Scotland v Italy, 28 February - Page 8 Woodenspoon

by **RDW** Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:09 pm

Quite a damming stat of Italy -

Of their last 19 games since the end of the 2013 Six Nations – where they signed off with a memorable victory over ireland – the Italians have beaten only Samoa and Fiji. During that period, they have also lost to Samoa as well as Japan

by jimbopip Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:15 pm

Aqualung, welcome to the house of fun. I wouldn't worry too much about Haimona's kicking, but rather be very concerned about the number of tackles he has missed in the first two games. I'm fairly certain Scotland will be looking to attack the 10-12 channel. Possibly bringing Schlong in at first receiver to blast a hole.
On the other hand, Parisse has made a huge amount of carries and could well be up against Beattie who is so far out of form he could very well be offered a contract for Embra.

by TheMildlyFranticLlama Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:22 pm

jimbopip wrote:On the other hand, Parisse has made a huge amount of carries and could well be up against Beattie who is so far out of form he could very well be offered a contract for Embra.

Not sure he'd get into the 1872 cup winning back row Jimbo!

Had to get that in there before FES did

by jimbopip Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:32 pm

I think our eastern brethren should pause to remember the old kiwi maxim that a good team gets better by remembering their defeats and vowing never to feel that way again, while a poor team spends its time cherishing the memory of that rare victory.
Last season the match uppermost in the Glasgow mindset was the semi-final defeat of the previous season, which goes a long way to explaining their stellar performance against Munster in the (winning) semi.

by **George Carlin** Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:41 pm

Welcome Aqualung.

You may not be overly confident about the result, but you will see from the above two pictures of what can be regarded as our respective nations' female archetypes, that you have a lot to be joyful about in other respects.

by **George Carlin** Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:44 pm

Italy team is up - Aqualung - your thoughts please:
6N Round 3: Scotland v Italy, 28 February - Page 8 Italy_10

by cp10 Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:44 pm

Starting team for Italy

1. Agüero
2. Ghiraldini
3. Chistolini
4. Biagi
5. Furno
6. Minto
7. Favaro
8. Parisse

9. Gori
10. Haimona
11. Venditti
12. Bacchin
13. Morisi
14. Visentin
15. Mclean

Apart from McLean and Gori its a very inexperience set of backs.

by No 7&1/2 Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:49 pm

I'm off to this game, my first 6Ns match as a neutral so non of the nerves this time. Just get back to sit back and watch my Scottish mate suffer! Can't wait though should be a good un given the way Scotland have attacked so far and hope to see them give a good account.

by Nematode Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:04 pm

Italy have a decent team - I'm predicting a Scottish win between 5-10 points.

In the backs I really rate Morisi - just a pity Campangaro is injured - and Venditti is a handy player too. Mclean should help bring a bit of composure too.

by jimbopip Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:21 pm

Should be interesting to see how Favaro gets on. Should be very interesting to see how Rob Harley introduces himself to his future teammate.

by aqualung71 Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:24 pm

George Carlin wrote:Italy team is up - Aqualung - your thoughts please:

pack is fine, Castro out is not too bad, he's really downhill now. Cittadini much better than Aguero but not too bad. all the injuries (Canale, Campagnaro, Masi) plus some strange choices by Brunel, who still not consider Benvenuti, Sgarbi and above all Esposito, will expose Bacchin and Visentin, two average players who clearly are not up to this level, to a very bad day at the office. Since I think we'll try to play again ball i hands (hopefully our defense will not fall asleep again in key-moments), I think a few tries will be scored, mostly by Scotland, unfortunately, with your backs shredding apart our rookies. Unless Scotland should have a horrible day, I thin a 15-18 margin is on cards

by funnyExiledScot Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:24 pm

Some good players in that Italy side, and interesting to see Favaro playing against us given his impending move to the 1872 losers.

In the backs Gori, Venditti, Morisi and MacLean are all dangerous, although I'm pleased we don't have to face Campagnaro or Benevenutti instead of Bacchin (no idea) and Visentin.

by aqualung71 Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:26 pm

jimbopip wrote:Should be interesting to see how Favaro gets on. Should be very interesting to see how Rob Harley introduces himself to his future teammate.

Glasgow made a very good signing, believe me. The guy is a tackling machine. A clear lack of class but he's bloody everywhere

by **George Carlin** Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:26 pm

jimbopip wrote:Should be interesting to see how Favaro gets on. Should be very interesting to see how Rob Harley introduces himself to his future teammate.

They have already met and someone snapped this footage on their camera phone:
6N Round 3: Scotland v Italy, 28 February - Page 8 Explos10

by aqualung71 Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:27 pm

Nematode wrote:Italy have a decent team - I'm predicting a Scottish win between 5-10 points.

In the backs I really rate Morisi - just a pity Campangaro is injured - and Venditti is a handy player too. Mclean should help bring a bit of composure too.

agree on Campagnaro, pure talent. If only Venditti could play rugby Crying or Very sad

by funnyExiledScot Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:30 pm

aqualung71 wrote:
jimbopip wrote:Should be interesting to see how Favaro gets on. Should be very interesting to see how Rob Harley introduces himself to his future teammate.
Glasgow made a very good signing, believe me. The guy is a tackling machine. A clear lack of class but bloody everywhere

I think it says that underneath the "Welcome to Glasgow" sign.

by funnyExiledScot Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:31 pm

aqualung71 wrote:
Nematode wrote:Italy have a decent team - I'm predicting a Scottish win between 5-10 points.

In the backs I really rate Morisi - just a pity Campangaro is injured - and Venditti is a handy player too. Mclean should help bring a bit of composure too.

agree on Campagnaro, pure talent. If only Venditti could play rugby

Venditti is basically the Italian Sean Lamont. A bulldozer in short.

by aqualung71 Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:32 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:
aqualung71 wrote:
jimbopip wrote:Should be interesting to see how Favaro gets on. Should be very interesting to see how Rob Harley introduces himself to his future teammate.
Glasgow made a very good signing, believe me. The guy is a tackling machine. A clear lack of class but bloody everywhere

I think it says that underneath the "Welcome to Glasgow" sign.

why some pure class player should move to Glasgow? laughing

by aqualung71 Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:33 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:
aqualung71 wrote:
Nematode wrote:Italy have a decent team - I'm predicting a Scottish win between 5-10 points.

In the backs I really rate Morisi - just a pity Campangaro is injured - and Venditti is a handy player too. Mclean should help bring a bit of composure too.

agree on Campagnaro, pure talent. If only Venditti could play rugby

Venditti is basically the Italian Sean Lamont. A bulldozer in short.

nah. both are limited, Venditti is even stronger, but Lamont is faster and better player. Kinda Mike Tindall type of player moreover

by aqualung71 Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:37 pm

Sarto and Campagnaro are too big blows for us,more we can afford considering our limited depth

by jimbopip Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:04 pm

aqualung71 wrote:
jimbopip wrote:Should be interesting to see how Favaro gets on. Should be very interesting to see how Rob Harley introduces himself to his future teammate.
Glasgow made a very good signing, believe me. The guy is a tackling machine. A clear lack of class but he's bloody everywhere

Speaking as a flanker that sounds like a ringing endorsement to me.

by Nematode Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:30 pm

Anyone know what Alan Dell's doing btw?

by **RDW** Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:30 pm

You've got to love world governing bodies. They have issued clarification on the time incident against Wales:

- The laws say that the game should have been restarted
- However, they back the decision made by the referee..... Headscratch

Gobshites wrote:Following a request from World Rugby High Performance Referee Manager Joël Jutge for a law interpretation, the members of the World Rugby law interpretation group have acted quickly to clarify Law 5 in relation to when there is time to take a restart near the end of a match and when time has elapsed.

As such, the clarification is as follows: The try-scoring team may elect to take the conversion or not. Providing they decline to take the kick or take the kick within the time remaining, a restart will occur and the match will end at the next stoppage within law. Time is taken from the moment the ball is struck.

The same logic applies to a penalty kick to touch. As long as the kick is taken before 80 minutes has elapsed the lineout will take place and the match will end at the next stoppage within law. Again, time is taken from the moment the ball is struck.

This clarification is part of a new, more agile law interpretation process that came into effect last year, and is to be applied effective immediately.

The members of the law interpretation group assigned to provide clarity on this law were: John Jeffrey (Chairman, Rugby Committee), Agustin Pichot (recent player representative), Nick Mallett (coach representative), Harry Schuster (World Rugby Council), Chris le Fevre (World Rugby Council).

World Rugby backs the decision made by match officials at the end of the Scotland v Wales RBS Six Nations match at Murrayfield on 15 February where this issue arose. This clarification is a new interpretation that will provide certainty for any future issues of this nature.

I suspect the last sentence is the key bit - they messed up in the last game, but because the laws have been clarified for the future it means that the decision made in the Wales game was correct... picard

by Nematode Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:35 pm

"World Rugby"?

FIFA, is that you? chin

by highland_scot Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:35 pm

Russell ban stands.

by **RDW** Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:35 pm

Russell's appeal has failed.

Baws.

by **George Carlin** Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:35 pm

The Finn Russell appeal has been dismissed - it remains a two week ban.

by **George Carlin** Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:37 pm

Nematode wrote:"World Rugby"?

FIFA, is that you?

I expect that they will shortly announce a management dream team of Sepp Blatter, Scott Johnson and Jonathan Davies will be taking over World Rugby.

by Nematode Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:46 pm

My thoughts on World Rugby supporting time judgement vs Wales and Russell ban:

6N Round 3: Scotland v Italy, 28 February - Page 8 Crap_teaser

I say we just play him anyway

6N Round 3: Scotland v Italy, 28 February - Page 8 5334714

by Nematode Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:48 pm

Instead of #IamFinn that was going around, looks like it may have to be #Wearefin

(Sorry, couldn't resist it)

by MacKnocked-on Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:51 pm

aqualung71 wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:
aqualung71 wrote:
Nematode wrote:Italy have a decent team - I'm predicting a Scottish win between 5-10 points.

In the backs I really rate Morisi - just a pity Campangaro is injured - and Venditti is a handy player too. Mclean should help bring a bit of composure too.

agree on Campagnaro, pure talent. If only Venditti could play rugby

Venditti is basically the Italian Sean Lamont. A bulldozer in short.
nah. both are limited, Venditti is even stronger, but Lamont is faster and better player. Kinda Mike Tindall type of player moreover

Venditti must be as rapid as Kenny Logan in that case

by Nematode Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:54 pm

Or:

6N Round 3: Scotland v Italy, 28 February - Page 8 Fat_Suit_F1020w

FAT SUIT

+

6N Round 3: Scotland v Italy, 28 February - Page 8 Russell_ospreys_edited-1

FINN RUSSELL

+

Bit of surgery in the side, and change his name

=

6N Round 3: Scotland v Italy, 28 February - Page 8 Duncan%20Weir,%20pictured,%20replaces%20Ruaridh%20Jackson%20as%20he%20makes%20his%20first%20start%20for%20Scotland%20on%20Saturday

6N Round 3: Scotland v Italy, 28 February - Page 8 Duncan%20Weir,%20pictured,%20replaces%20Ruaridh%20Jackson%20as%20he%20makes%20his%20first%20start%20for%20Scotland%20on%20Saturday

You thought I was just some grass pest thing. But no. I am Nem "the Genius" Tode.

Any more problems needing solved?

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:16 pm

The Finn Russell fiasco shows that World Rugby really are the worst administrators in world sport and that includes FIFA ! A bunch of wenkers !

by R!skysports Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:21 pm

Not sure I disgree with the Finn decision, as the laws stand it is right

If the law needs to be changed then so be it, but to complain when the decision is right on the day is a little bit silly (IMO)

by Heuer27 Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:26 pm

I think we can see where tactics will be heading in future. Big punt , chasers who leap into the air with gay abandon = penalties and sending offs. How to make rugby appealing to the masses er maybe not then.

How many contested up and unders are we going to see this weekend then? Oh and red cards too.

by **RDW** Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:29 pm

Riskysports wrote:Not sure I disgree with the Finn decision, as the laws stand it is right

If the law needs to be changed then so be it, but to complain when the decision is right on the day is a little bit silly (IMO)

Agree with this.

I think we need to move on - the laws are obviously the issue, and there's nothing the appeal committee could have some about that

by R!skysports Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:50 pm

Heuer27 wrote:I think we can see where tactics will be heading in future. Big punt , chasers who leap into the air with gay abandon = penalties and sending offs. How to make rugby appealing to the masses er maybe not then.

How many contested up and unders are we going to see this weekend then? Oh and red cards too.

BUT this is no different than it has been for several years - and for several years the decision would have been the same (In fact often a red would have been given) - so I am not sure why it suddenly becomes such a huge issue all of a sudden

by IanBru Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:52 pm

When I was 16, I had major facial surgery that resulted in my giving up solid food for six months, with a diet consisting entirely of Petit Filou yoghurt, smoothies, meat blitzed into a fine paste, and copious amounts of codeine.

This Finn Russell decision is worse. It is the biggest travesty of justice since the murder of Steve Biko. I'm off to write some protest songs. Thank Christ that a lot of things rhyme with 'Finn'.

P.s. I'm leaning towards Horne at 10, even if it totally reams Glasgow against Munster.

by Tattie Scones RRN Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:58 pm

Well the timing couldn't have been better. At least he's back for England and Ireland when we'll really need him.

Still a joke though.

by **RDW** Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:36 pm

IanBru wrote:When I was 16, I had major facial surgery.

You didn't go into a pub in Glasgow and ask for a soft drink did you??

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