This is why we love Wayne Barnes.

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Review of Wayne Barnes v Ireland 2015:

https://youtu.be/IEuXfewLcuY

Ireland lose again with Barnes as ref. Its getting ridiculous now. 3 wins in the last 13 games v Barnes. Really hope we don't get him for any WC games.

Joe Schmidt also has issues with Barnes:

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/joe-schmidt-has-issues-with-wayne-barnes-over-scrum-calls-1.2145742

Graham Henry also suspects something isnt quite right about Barnes' lopsided officiating too

http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/07/31/graham-henrys-final-word-on-suspected-match-fixing-in-rwc-2007/

No 7&1/2 wrote:He was great on Saturday.

He was great for England alright which is probably why Walsh mysteriously dropped out again and the ref who Ireland have by far the worst record with stepped in. Oh and he is from England and went to school in Wales.

Horray Wayne Barnes!!

O'Brien reminds me of the guinea pigs I had as a kid. Squealing when they were hungry.

'Be Quiet!'

Well said!

Nothing wrong with Barnes we were told in 07 where he failed to see a blatant forward pass, and failed to award a single penalty against the most infringed side at the entire tournament, for 60 minutes.

Get over it, we were told, so we did...good Ol' barnsey... Still at it...

Don't worry...time heals...

Barnes was as utterly useless and pedantic against both Wales and Ireland on saturday and it is he who decided the pace of the game in the first half as is usual for him. He does this in just about every game he 'referees'. If Wales had lost I'd say you could make a similar video as to how he let Ireland away with plenty of infringements. At least it wasn't as ludicrous as the wrong ball episode with Peter 'the disgrace' Allen handing Phillips a try or the occasion Barnes handed Wales the win at the Aviva when Stevie Ferris didn't spear tackle a Welsh player.

Lets face facts, when Barnes is ref it's a lottery as to who will win at times. The guy hasn't a clue and should be officiating schools rugby. I'd have been overjoyed to see Nigel Owens reffing on saturday despite his being Welsh as there's no ref of his calibre on the planet right now.

Anyway, what's the Mojave got to do with all this.

LordDowlais wrote:

Seriously though SF, can yo not see how hypocritical the whiter than white font of all rugby knowledge Irish are being on here ?

Look, I do not mean to be funny, but after all the batterings I have taken off the Irish on this very forum for accusing refs in the Pro12 of bias, then we get threads like this, not only after but before the game.
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So we all lost our ability to be white?  
Good. Glad that's agreed. Gloves off.  Hypocrites Unite.  A Brave New World.  It's nice here!!!!!!  We should have joined earlier

Pete330v2 wrote:

Anyway, what's the Mojave got to do with all this.

Oh its just Gwlad went looking for some gas in it...and got himself lost.

SecretFly wrote:

Pete330v2 wrote:

Anyway, what's the Mojave got to do with all this.

Oh its just Gwlad went looking for some gas in it...and got himself lost.

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/407/336/1336407.jpg

Got lost until i found your sphere of influence Fly.

Taylorman wrote:Nothing wrong with Barnes we were told in 07 where he failed to see a blatant forward pass, and failed to award a single penalty against the most infringed side at the entire tournament, for 60 minutes.

Get over it, we were told, so we did...good Ol' barnsey... Still at it...

Don't worry...time heals...

So maybe we're wrong afterall. Maybe he just smells Joe on the side lines and it's not the Irish he was after at all?

Good theory! Never thought about that.

Gwlad wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

Pete330v2 wrote:

Anyway, what's the Mojave got to do with all this.

Oh its just Gwlad went looking for some gas in it...and got himself lost.

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/407/336/1336407.jpg

Got lost until i found your sphere of influence Fly.

I'm all out of gas, I'm afraid, Gwlad. But I'll point you in the right direction to the Mirage Casino

GunsGerms wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:He was great on Saturday.

He was great for England alright which is probably why Walsh mysteriously dropped out again and the ref who Ireland have by far the worst record with stepped in. Oh and he is from England and went to school in Wales.

Horray Wayne Barnes!!

I just hope you re wumming!

SecretFly wrote:

Gwlad wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

Pete330v2 wrote:

Anyway, what's the Mojave got to do with all this.

Oh its just Gwlad went looking for some gas in it...and got himself lost.

http://media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/407/336/1336407.jpg

Got lost until i found your sphere of influence Fly.

I'm all out of gas, I'm afraid, Gwlad.  But I'll point you in the right direction to the Mirage Casino

So sad. You are perpetually full of hot air, never felt you were out of gas at all.

SecretFly wrote:

Taylorman wrote:Nothing wrong with Barnes we were told in 07 where he failed to see a blatant forward pass, and failed to award a single penalty against the most infringed side at the entire tournament, for 60 minutes.

Get over it, we were told, so we did...good Ol' barnsey... Still at it...

Don't worry...time heals...

So maybe we're wrong afterall.  Maybe he just smells Joe on the side lines and it's not the Irish he was after at all?

Good theory!  Never thought about that.

True...if the shoe fits...why not. As logical as anything else Barnse does. Overall, not so bad other than the sequence going. Keeps Ireland on edge and with so many flat performances from key players, that's exactly what Ireland needed...grounding, regardless of who wins the 6N. Ireland should be after bigger things this year. They're best placed of all the 6N sides to be the NH rep.

Gwlad wrote:

I'm all out of gas, I'm afraid, Gwlad.  But I'll point you in the right direction to the Mirage Casino

So sad. You are perpetually full of hot air, never felt you were out of gas at all.

Fan club is over subscribed at the moment.  Best I can do is try to fit you in later in the year, Gwlad.  But thanks for the interest.

I'd also like to thank Guns for his wumtastic thread.  Most fun I've had in the stale air of Frownville 606 in months.

As a neutral I thought he actually had one of his better games

The first half was him penalizing repeatedly continued atttempts to cynically slowing down the ball from both sides.

The second half both teams finally realized they could actually roll away. And bingo an exciting fast game

It showed me that the laws are there to make rugby fast they just need to be enforced

Barnes was incompetent back in 2007 as well, by the way. Despite that, it was a bit annoying that every New Zealander and his wife chose to focus on that rather than the fact that it should not have been beyond the wit of man to manoeuvre the ball into a position where a dropped goal would have rendered 'Wayne the wanton whistle's' usual exhibition of cluelessness moot. At least that result cost Harry Findlay millions - look on it as a valuable bit of community service.

Same applies to other Barnes games - he's hopeless, but predictably so, and few sides have actually lost a game solely because he doesn't know his backside from a ukelele.

It was good to see Barnes coaxing a watchable game out of two rather attritonal sides.

Cyril is always trusty for a good line or two. Like it, Cyril

Meant in the spirit of the thread in general Fly!

I'm sure I could create a video showing loads of instances where Ireland should of been pinged too, perhaps even get all the calls right unlike in that video.

Can't help but think some Irish fans are being arrogant, suggesting that it's the refs fault when in actual fact they are playing the boring game england did for so many years.

Cyril wrote:Meant in the spirit of the thread in general Fly!

I only get a feeling of the old BEEB 606 very rarely now if ever, Cyril. But today and this thread genuinely did give me a little feeling of being back there.
That old 606 was one of the funniest - anarchic - places. Really miss it sometimes.

Cyril wrote:It was good to see Barnes coaxing a watchable game out of two rather attritonal sides.

Very good, if only he could have reffed the English game, maybe he could have coaxed England to actually finish off a few of the multitudinous chances they squandered.

nathan wrote:I'm sure I could create a video showing loads of instances where Ireland should of been pinged too, perhaps even get all the calls right unlike in that video.

Can't help but think some Irish fans are being arrogant, suggesting that it's the refs fault when in actual fact they are playing the boring game england did for so many years.

Fair cop, Nathan. Fair cop. Boring we are. But how many tries did the more exicting, cutting edge side score against all the boredom?

Gwlad wrote:

Cyril wrote:It was good to see Barnes coaxing a watchable game out of two rather attritonal sides.

Very good, if only he could have reffed the English game, maybe he could have coaxed England to actually finish off a few of the multitudinous chances they squandered.

Yep. Touché.

Extra points for 'multitudinous'.

LordDowlais wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:I am going to be waiting with baited breath for the Irish to tar and feather me next time I talk about biased refs in the Pro12. Where is chunkynorwich when I need him ?

Rolland.  What a show that was  Remember?

Oh I see, it's only the Irish who are allowed to moan about the refs.

Seriously though SF, can yo not see how hypocritical the whiter than white font of all rugby knowledge Irish are being on here ?

Look, I do not mean to be funny, but after all the batterings I have taken off the Irish on this very forum for accusing refs in the Pro12 of bias, then we get threads like this, not only after but before the game.
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It would be hypocritical if Rolland actually didn't make the correct call in carding Warburton in the world. Rolland was a good ref up to the Welsh death threats.

Yep. Thankfully Gatland has rediscovered his zest for beating Ireland again after the Irish death threats.

captain carrantuohil wrote:Barnes was incompetent back in 2007 as well, by the way. Despite that, it was a bit annoying that every New Zealander and his wife chose to focus on that rather than the fact that it should not have been beyond the wit of man to manoeuvre the ball into a position where a dropped goal would have rendered 'Wayne the wanton whistle's' usual exhibition of cluelessness moot. At least that result cost Harry Findlay millions - look on it as a valuable bit of community service.

Same applies to other Barnes games - he's hopeless, but predictably so, and few sides have actually lost a game solely because he doesn't know his backside from a ukelele.

...you mean in the same way that top players like Sexton, Murray, reported on these pages as the best on the globe in their positions could have avoided the result by not playing like second raters? Why doesn't Sexton, Murray or some other player in just as good a position get their own dedicated 'post' as Mr Barnes has? Was his Failures any worse than theirs? The difference being, that they actually wanted Ireland to win and performed poorly. Logically, Barnes didn't give a stuff who won.

So point taken in a hypocritical way.

Risca Rev wrote:Yep. Thankfully Gatland has rediscovered his zest for beating Ireland again after the Irish death threats.

Irish Indo heading:  Gats and WRU Officially thanks Ireland for 2013 threats.

'Gatland was in an up mood when interviewed and effusive in his praise for the Irish bastardes in the long grass who made his life a misery during and after the Lions 2013 Adventure to OZ.  In a frank interview, he said: "The motivation may go a long way to assisting our emergence from the Notorious Group of Oversold Death." '

Well, we're glad to be of some small help in the crusade I suppose, Rev

They seemed to take Rolland's ones serious because he didn't ref games again in Wales for about 2 years.

I don't recall hearing that Gatland got death threats. Do you have a link? He didn't get any hassle when he came to Dublin for the next 6Ns either - not even a boo.

Taylorman wrote:

captain carrantuohil wrote:Barnes was incompetent back in 2007 as well, by the way. Despite that, it was a bit annoying that every New Zealander and his wife chose to focus on that rather than the fact that it should not have been beyond the wit of man to manoeuvre the ball into a position where a dropped goal would have rendered 'Wayne the wanton whistle's' usual exhibition of cluelessness moot. At least that result cost Harry Findlay millions - look on it as a valuable bit of community service.

Same applies to other Barnes games - he's hopeless, but predictably so, and few sides have actually lost a game solely because he doesn't know his backside from a ukelele.

...you mean in the same way that top players like Sexton, Murray, reported on these pages as the best on the globe in their positions could have avoided the result by not playing like second raters? Why doesn't Sexton, Murray or some other player in just as good a position get their own dedicated 'post' as Mr Barnes has? Was his Failures any worse than theirs? The difference being, that they actually wanted Ireland to win and performed poorly. Logically, Barnes didn't give a stuff who won.

So point taken in a hypocritical way.

Do you understand what refereeing is?

If one player goes off his feet for one team and the ref gives a penalty, a good ref will do exactly the same thing if a player from the opposition team goes off their feet.

It was in the interests of Barnes' employers (RFU) that Wales won.

Game of the tournament so far, refereed by the ref of the tournament so far. Do you think these 2 facts might be related? Derrrrrrrr!!!!!

Nothing like the smell of sour grapes in the morning

This post is very poor indeed.

SecretFly wrote:

nathan wrote:I'm sure I could create a video showing loads of instances where Ireland should of been pinged too, perhaps even get all the calls right unlike in that video.

Can't help but think some Irish fans are being arrogant, suggesting that it's the refs fault when in actual fact they are playing the boring game england did for so many years.

Fair cop, Nathan.  Fair cop.  Boring we are.  But how many tries did the more exicting, cutting edge side score against all the boredom?

I'm sure you haven't forgotton the answer to that. Ireland's forwards sucked the life out of England. If Ireland win the 6 nations they could break the record for the least tries scored.

Sin é wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

captain carrantuohil wrote:Barnes was incompetent back in 2007 as well, by the way. Despite that, it was a bit annoying that every New Zealander and his wife chose to focus on that rather than the fact that it should not have been beyond the wit of man to manoeuvre the ball into a position where a dropped goal would have rendered 'Wayne the wanton whistle's' usual exhibition of cluelessness moot. At least that result cost Harry Findlay millions - look on it as a valuable bit of community service.

Same applies to other Barnes games - he's hopeless, but predictably so, and few sides have actually lost a game solely because he doesn't know his backside from a ukelele.

...you mean in the same way that top players like Sexton, Murray, reported on these pages as the best on the globe in their positions could have avoided the result by not playing like second raters? Why doesn't Sexton, Murray or some other player in just as good a position get their own dedicated 'post' as Mr Barnes has? Was his Failures any worse than theirs? The difference being, that they actually wanted Ireland to win and performed poorly. Logically, Barnes didn't give a stuff who won.

So point taken in a hypocritical way.

Do you understand what refereeing is?

If one player goes off his feet for one team and the ref gives a penalty, a good ref will do exactly the same thing if a player from the opposition team goes off their feet.

It was in the interests of Barnes' employers (RFU) that Wales won.

Open the other eye mate, looks like we english can now have the arrogant tag removed and placed firmly at the feet of the Irish.

nathan wrote:

Sin é wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

captain carrantuohil wrote:Barnes was incompetent back in 2007 as well, by the way. Despite that, it was a bit annoying that every New Zealander and his wife chose to focus on that rather than the fact that it should not have been beyond the wit of man to manoeuvre the ball into a position where a dropped goal would have rendered 'Wayne the wanton whistle's' usual exhibition of cluelessness moot. At least that result cost Harry Findlay millions - look on it as a valuable bit of community service.

Same applies to other Barnes games - he's hopeless, but predictably so, and few sides have actually lost a game solely because he doesn't know his backside from a ukelele.

...you mean in the same way that top players like Sexton, Murray, reported on these pages as the best on the globe in their positions could have avoided the result by not playing like second raters? Why doesn't Sexton, Murray or some other player in just as good a position get their own dedicated 'post' as Mr Barnes has? Was his Failures any worse than theirs? The difference being, that they actually wanted Ireland to win and performed poorly. Logically, Barnes didn't give a stuff who won.

So point taken in a hypocritical way.

Do you understand what refereeing is?

If one player goes off his feet for one team and the ref gives a penalty, a good ref will do exactly the same thing if a player from the opposition team goes off their feet.

It was in the interests of Barnes' employers (RFU) that Wales won.

Open the other eye mate, looks like we english can now have the arrogant tag removed and placed firmly at the feet of the Irish.

Get off your high horse and look at what Taylorman posted. He couldn't see any logic in why Barnes would want Wales to win.

MissBlennerhassett wrote:Game of the tournament so far, refereed by the ref of the tournament so far. Do you think these 2 facts might be related? Derrrrrrrr!!!!!

Oh they're certainly related Mr(s).  The relationship is quite important.  We planned it to be another boring win for us - and even informed World Rugby in advance that it would be.  Along comes Barnes and turns it into an exciting win for Wales!  He got both bits wrong!  We never agreed to it.

Pete330v2 wrote:Barnes was as utterly useless and pedantic against both Wales and Ireland on saturday and it is he who decided the pace of the game in the first half as is usual for him.

cowpat. The players were cheating.

NameRemoved wrote:It was in the interests of Barnes' employers (RFU) that Wales won.

Pathetic post. Utterly pathetic.

MissBlennerhassett wrote:Game of the tournament so far, refereed by the ref of the tournament so far. Do you think these 2 facts might be related? Derrrrrrrr!!!!!

Nothing like the smell of sour grapes in the morning

This post is very poor indeed.

Yea, it will be interesting around here when the Wales fans realise what a boost England will get from winning the 6Ns. A real case of winning the battle but losing the war

Think that might have been the point. Barnes doesn't favour any side, not France in 2007, not Wales on Saturday. His propensity to referee by numbers means that one side is necessarily going to feel more cheesed off than another. The losers, usually, as this thread sort of emphasises.

LondonTiger wrote:

NameRemoved wrote:It was in the interests of Barnes' employers (RFU) that Wales won.

Pathetic post. Utterly pathetic.

You claiming that its not in Barnes' interests then?

Sin é wrote:

MissBlennerhassett wrote:Game of the tournament so far, refereed by the ref of the tournament so far. Do you think these 2 facts might be related? Derrrrrrrr!!!!!

Nothing like the smell of sour grapes in the morning

This post is very poor indeed.

Yea, it will be interesting around here when the Wales fans realise what a boost England will get from winning the 6Ns. A real case of winning the battle but losing the war

I thought you had established the other day that the Welsh hated the Irish. Not a problem then, is it.

That video is ridiculous. Whatever you think of Barnes' impartiality the person who made it had none. It has beenedited to show one Ireland infringement and then several times Welsh players did something similar and there was no penalty. But what about the times he penalised Wales? What about the times he could have penalised Ireland and didn't? These have deliberately been left out to turn this into an item of propaganda, not an objective analysis.

It also doesn't show proceeding phases. As an example, blocking the 9. If Ireland had been borderline for the last couple of rucks before the incident we saw, then whether to give a penalty would have started to prey on a referee's mind and eventually you'd give one to stop the infringement. If, like Wales, you make 250 tackles in the game and the tackler only blocks the 9 four times over the course (1.6%) and these 4 times are spread over the game, then they are less likely to get pinged. With our reviewing the game I can't confirm this, but this analysis provided does not allow us to inspect for this sort of detail.

The coup de grace for me was by the time he got to the scrum section he just stopped analysing. As if to say: "Ireland's scrum was going forward, Ireland didn't get a penalty, therefore Barnes cheated." Except that doesn't follow. There's nothing in the rules about going backwards in the scrum, it's not an offence and doesn't warrant a penalty. However, if you get your scrum moving forward by illegal means, then of course you should concede a penalty as happened in this game and happened twice in the later game with Poite pinging Marler.

So now we have established that this guy has an agenda and doesn't have a sound grasp of the rules. I trust my instinct that what I saw was a good (not perfect but good) refereeing display and see no reason to doubt that based on some bitter individual.

The last person to call Wayne Barnes a cheat got 11 weeks and missed a Lions tour. And rightfully so. No place for this sort of "analysis" in the game.

SecretFly wrote:

Poorfour wrote:I'm glad to see this thread, though I don't think it's about Barnes. As an England fan, I felt the same way about how Joubert refereed the breakdown two weeks ago as I suspect many Irish fans feel about Barnes.

Both refs interpreted the breakdown in a way that was consistent with the laws... but sufficiently differently that in one game Ireland had a big advantage and in the other a big disadvantage.

No, Poorfour, but Barnes distinctly and clearly lectures POC about his men impeding the 9s access to the ball.  
Yet, we see a litany of blatant examples of the lecture directive not being reffed fairly for both sides.  Consistency for both sides in the one game is what most teams would want rather than consistency between one game and the next one.
All refs interpret differently.  That's normal.  But no ref should interpret differently for two sides in the one game - that's the problem.

And he did not. He was totally consistent and fair. I watched as a neutral and thats what I saw. Every fan only sees the things that go against them

captain carrantuohil wrote:Think that might have been the point. Barnes doesn't favour any side, not NZ in 2007, not Wales on Saturday. His propensity to referee by numbers means that one side is necessarily going to feel more cheesed off than another. The losers, usually, as this thread sort of emphasises.

Why would Barnes favour NZ or France in '07? England were not in their pool. In that situation he was neutral.

SecretFly wrote:

Risca Rev wrote:Yep. Thankfully Gatland has rediscovered his zest for beating Ireland again after the Irish death threats.

Irish Indo heading:  Gats and WRU Officially thanks Ireland for 2013 threats.

'Gatland was in an up mood when interviewed and effusive in his praise for the Irish bastardes in the long grass who made his life a misery during and after the Lions 2013 Adventure to OZ.  In a frank interview, he said: "The motivation may go a long way to assisting our emergence from the Notorious Group of Oversold Death." '

Well, we're glad to be of some small help in the crusade I suppose, Rev

Yes, thank you very much

He was neutral anyway. The kind of person who thinks that a referee has the time or the moral deficiency to prance about the pitch looking to see how he might give decisions so as to benefit the country of his birth is the kind of person who is clueless about a lot of things in addition to rugby.

He's also asking for a libel writ to be slapped on him and he'll deserve it too.

Barnes is a top ref, love it when he comes to Kingston.

He had a solid game at the weekend I thought as a neutral.

Risca Rev wrote:

Sin é wrote:

MissBlennerhassett wrote:Game of the tournament so far, refereed by the ref of the tournament so far. Do you think these 2 facts might be related? Derrrrrrrr!!!!!

Nothing like the smell of sour grapes in the morning

This post is very poor indeed.

Yea, it will be interesting around here when the Wales fans realise what a boost England will get from winning the 6Ns. A real case of winning the battle but losing the war

I thought you had established the other day that the Welsh hated the Irish. Not a problem then, is it.

It was Gatland who established that. I personally think 'hate' is a bit strong.

captain carrantuohil wrote:He was neutral anyway. The kind of person who thinks that a referee has the time or the moral deficiency to prance about the pitch looking to see how he might give decisions so as to benefit the country of his birth is the kind of person who is clueless about a lot of things in addition to rugby.

He's also asking for a libel writ to be slapped on him and he'll deserve it too.

Not just the country of his birth, his employer, the RFU.

Why do you think that referees don't generally ref their own country (except for Walsh I think)?

No one got sued for claiming Allan Rolland should not be reffing French teams (although he is Irish).

Well, I tell you what - try standing on a street corner and proclaiming that you think that, in effect, Barnes is cheating, whether on behalf of his employer, some misplaced sense of patriotism or anything else. Good luck with that and I know just the silk for you.

Recent events should tell you that the internet is no protection from defamation actions. There's a world of difference between saying that Ref X shouldn't be reffing country Y and claiming that Ref X is being less than honest in the way that he discharges his duty. If you doubt me, try saying it repeatedly in public.

I thought in rugby, only the captain should speak to the ref.

All that video shows is that SOB doesn't know this simple fact.