Welsh World Cup Squad part 2

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Anyone else think Ll Williams and Anscombe did well when they came on? Would definitely take them over Phillips and Hook at the moment.

RubyGuby wrote:The disadvantage of playing Uruguay is that we have no points barometer on which to measure so we will have to go flat out to score as many as possible from the start. The BIG BIG advantage now however is that with fingers crossed this is the only game we'll be without AWJ which in essence would be a god send.



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They are very weak to the driving maul from the line out, England will exploit this, and also thats why Wales may of tried it against Ireland. They really struggle when teams run at them from deep on the outside shoulder, expect Australia to smash them. Gatland ball may actually suit them, it's better to hit Uruguay with pace not power.

Accuracy is what they need to work on. Should have scored vs Ireland when Williams made that break in the first half.

Opportunities can't go missing

maestegmafia wrote:Accuracy is what they need to work on. Should have scored vs Ireland when Williams made that break in the first half.

Opportunities can't go missing

That will come with match practice

Two games until the big one.

I was impressed with the performance last week. Work to do for sure but the progression has been good so far.

If they progress at the rate they did between the two Ireland games will be in good shape

You could put most of that progression down to the changes in personnel.

We started really well against Ireland last week in areas that we normally don't. Lost our way just before and after half time which is a worry and then once all the subs were made its always hard to judge.

We've had a good win in a hard game we now need to back that up with two good wins in games we should be able to run in a fair few tries.

At least that way we will be going into the Twickenham showdown with a bit of momentum and confidence.

Don,t think the team for this game will be anything like the team you put out against Ireland.Gats as already said he may used players he has already axed .

irnbrew wrote:Don,t think the team for this game will be anything like the team you put out against Ireland.Gats as already said he may used players he has already axed .

Unfortunately I agree but hopefully it should still be strong enough to put a good performance in against Italy. Can anyone confirm if players dropped from the squad can actually be included in these last round of games as there seems to be conflicting reports.

bedfordwelsh wrote:

irnbrew wrote:Don,t think the team for this game will be anything like the team you put out against Ireland.Gats as already said he may used players he has already axed .

Unfortunately I agree but hopefully it should still be strong enough to put a good performance in against Italy.  Can anyone confirm if players dropped from the squad can actually be included in these last round of games as there seems to be conflicting reports.

If they CAN be ? I don't think there are any IRB restrictions on squads for 'friendly' games.

Apparently they are keeping the Scarlett's prop in camp so I reckon he'll get a game.

I assume they will give Corey a run out too.

Any chance we can NOT be allowed to pick players in the world cup squad?

Anything but Priestland and Jarvis, and I mean anything...

When Priestland came on in the rain on Saturday my heart sank Shifty - When he dropped the ball in our 22 my heart sank further - When I read Gatland's report the next day stating how well Priestland controlled the game when he came on I went to Swansea for a triple bypass - WTF is it all about?

One of Gat's Custom False Flag pre-plays?

RubyGuby wrote:When Priestland came on in the rain on Saturday my heart sank Shifty - When he dropped the ball in our 22 my heart sank further - When I read Gatland's report the next day stating how well Priestland controlled the game when he came on I went to Swansea for a triple bypass - WTF is it all about?

I was in an over full pub in Pendine trying to watch the game in the end we had to sit outside and get score updates. After the game and we knew we'd won I downloaded it off Partidos, even so when Priestland came on I turned the game off and went to see how the Japan and Uruguay game went. It just wasn't worth the stress.

I'm glad to see that I am not the only person that thinks this about Priestland. If Biggar misses a game through injury we are in the deep end! Cue the Scarlets' supporters running in and defending him to the hill (just like last time) .

Priestland dropped a wet ball on a wet pitch in the lashing rain ?

BURN HIM !!!

We had a penalty with a few minutes to go, Preistland kicked it to touch about ten or fifteen yards up the line, he should have been belting it about forty or fifty yards down the touch line, it was not his fault we lost the line out though, but if we were further down the field, the held up non try would have never happened.

We should of closed the game off long before the heavens opened, its a load of bullocks to blame him.

munkian wrote:We should of closed the game off long before the heavens opened, its a load of bullocks to blame him.

I am not blaming him, I am blaming them. Priestland should have kicked the ball further, and the forwards should have won their own line out. The fact Preistland cannot kick to touch with a bit of distance is what I am trying to make people aware of.

He just hasn't played that well for club or country since 2011. The irony for me given Gatlands stance on players leaving Wales is that Priestland has now signed over the border.

I read that once the squad has been named then those players must only be used in the warm up games no one from outside the squad.

bedfordwelsh wrote:I read that once the squad has been named then those players must only be used in the warm up games no one from outside the squad.

Why would it matter who plays in a friendly ?

Last time Priestland played in a RWC he was brilliant. Let's hope he is so again this time.

munkian wrote:

bedfordwelsh wrote:I read that once the squad has been named then those players must only be used in the warm up games no one from outside the squad.

Why would it matter who plays in a friendly ?

The Australians have picked three non squad members to play the USA this weekend so I don't think there are any rules stating that the squad is all you can use for a friendly.

RubyGuby wrote:He just hasn't played that well for club or country since 2011. The irony for me given Gatlands stance on players leaving Wales is that Priestland has now signed over the border.

Yep.

Cardiff Dave, 2015.

munkian wrote:

bedfordwelsh wrote:I read that once the squad has been named then those players must only be used in the warm up games no one from outside the squad.

Why would it matter who plays in a friendly ?

It wouldn't just saying what I am sure I read but still don't see the point in it. There are players in the squad that need game time so play them.

maestegmafia wrote:Last time Priestland played in a RWC he was brilliant. Let's hope he is so again this time.

It's probably best to hope and not 'expect' then.

Pretty sure he's been tidy for the Turks this season

munkian wrote:Pretty sure he's been tidy for the Turks this season

Last good game I saw him have was against Ospreys at Christmas time, he had a cracking game that day.

Not from what I've seen, and I watch almost all Scarlets' games that are aired on TV. But anyway that's old ground and at the risk of being bombarded with pointless paragraphs from other posters, I think I'll leave it there. He's No.2 fly-half and I think it's crazy to leave out Anscombe who could have squeezed his way in to the match day squad. But I guess that's that.

I think if Anscombe hadn't been injured then he would have been in the squad but as Gatland explained they are carrying Lee, Williams and now AWJ so guess they didn't want to carry anymore.

Could be a late introduction then... I got a feeling Hibbard or Dacey could also be another late introduction to the squad.

bedfordwelsh wrote:I read that once the squad has been named then those players must only be used in the warm up games no one from outside the squad.

That has always been my understanding as well.....have the rules been changed recently?

Shame Owain Williams at Leicester wasn't given an opportunity but I would have taken Patchell before Priestland -

RubyGuby wrote:Shame Owain Williams at Leicester wasn't given an opportunity but I would have taken Patchell before Priestland -

He's out for 9 months with a serious knee injury, do you actually watch rugby ?

munkian wrote:

RubyGuby wrote:Shame Owain Williams at Leicester wasn't given an opportunity but I would have taken Patchell before Priestland -

He's out for 9 months with a serious knee injury, do you actually watch rugby ?

Still a shame he wasn't ever considered after moving out of Wales and now Priestland has gone he still gets in the squad whilst playing shoite - that's my point - as for watching, nah can't be avin that watching stuff.

RubyGuby wrote:

munkian wrote:

RubyGuby wrote:Shame Owain Williams at Leicester wasn't given an opportunity but I would have taken Patchell before Priestland -

He's out for 9 months with a serious knee injury, do you actually watch rugby ?

  Still a shame he wasn't ever considered after moving out of Wales and now Priestland has gone he still gets in the squad whilst playing shoite - that's my point - as for watching, nah can't be avin that watching stuff.

He was or would have been, he was originally named in the party to tour SA last year but got banned I think if memory serves me right

mikey_dragon wrote:Could be a late introduction then... I got a feeling Hibbard or Dacey could also be another late introduction to the squad.

Players can only be replaced now if injured, and this is the risk with only 2 hookers. Lets say Owens gets injured this weekend or against Uruguay then he has to be dropped from the squad to be replaced.

However replacements don't have to be like for like and Gatland has hinted that if that scenario did happen he could keep the injured hooker with the squad but drop another player then replace him with a hooker.

bedfordwelsh wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:Could be a late introduction then... I got a feeling Hibbard or Dacey could also be another late introduction to the squad.

Players can only be replaced now if injured, and this is the risk with only 2 hookers.  Lets say Owens gets injured this weekend or against Uruguay then he has to be dropped from the squad to be replaced.

However replacements don't have to be like for like and Gatland has hinted that if that scenario did happen he could keep the injured  hooker with the squad but drop another player then replace him with a hooker.

BW, I thought I read somewhere that the player being replaced had to have a medical and a form had to be signed saying he was injured, you can't just drop somebody from the squad.

RubyGuby wrote:

munkian wrote:

RubyGuby wrote:Shame Owain Williams at Leicester wasn't given an opportunity but I would have taken Patchell before Priestland -

He's out for 9 months with a serious knee injury, do you actually watch rugby ?

  Still a shame he wasn't ever considered after moving out of Wales and now Priestland has gone he still gets in the squad whilst playing shoite

If he was 'playing shoite', I doubt Bath would have signed him. They know what he can offer, as does Gatland.

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

RubyGuby wrote:

munkian wrote:

RubyGuby wrote:Shame Owain Williams at Leicester wasn't given an opportunity but I would have taken Patchell before Priestland -

He's out for 9 months with a serious knee injury, do you actually watch rugby ?

  Still a shame he wasn't ever considered after moving out of Wales and now Priestland has gone he still gets in the squad whilst playing shoite

If he was 'playing shoite', I doubt Bath would have signed him. They know what he can offer, as does Gatland.

Most English teams will sign anyone the French havent..

wayne wrote:

bedfordwelsh wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:Could be a late introduction then... I got a feeling Hibbard or Dacey could also be another late introduction to the squad.

Players can only be replaced now if injured, and this is the risk with only 2 hookers.  Lets say Owens gets injured this weekend or against Uruguay then he has to be dropped from the squad to be replaced.

However replacements don't have to be like for like and Gatland has hinted that if that scenario did happen he could keep the injured  hooker with the squad but drop another player then replace him with a hooker.

BW, I thought I read somewhere that the player being replaced had to have a medical and a form had to be signed saying he was injured, you can't just drop somebody from the squad.

Wayne,

That was always my understanding but that's what Gatland was saying which again brings the decision to only have 2 hookers a very dodgy one. Heaven forbid one of them gets injured but to abide by the ruling for having a full front row on the bench that player couldn't be kept in the squad as they would have to call another hooker.

Unless Gatland is right and they can just drop a player but does seem a strange one.

bedfordwelsh wrote:

wayne wrote:

bedfordwelsh wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:Could be a late introduction then... I got a feeling Hibbard or Dacey could also be another late introduction to the squad.

Players can only be replaced now if injured, and this is the risk with only 2 hookers.  Lets say Owens gets injured this weekend or against Uruguay then he has to be dropped from the squad to be replaced.

However replacements don't have to be like for like and Gatland has hinted that if that scenario did happen he could keep the injured  hooker with the squad but drop another player then replace him with a hooker.

BW, I thought I read somewhere that the player being replaced had to have a medical and a form had to be signed saying he was injured, you can't just drop somebody from the squad.

Wayne,

That was always my understanding but that's what Gatland was saying which again brings the decision to only have 2 hookers a very dodgy one. Heaven forbid one of them gets injured but to abide by the ruling for having a full front row on the bench that player couldn't be kept in the squad as they would have to call another hooker.

Unless Gatland is right and they can just drop a player but does seem a strange one.

BW, after writing my reply I went Googling to justify what I was saying is true, but I can't now find it, so have I dreamt it? God knows

Wayne,

I would say you are right as am pretty sure players can only be replaced if injured so how he could justify dropping a second row for a hooker am not sure.

Unless of course some feigns an injury which again Gatland says he won't do. If however AWJ (again heaven forbid) was ruled out I guess they could call another hooker in then.

bedfordwelsh wrote:

wayne wrote:

bedfordwelsh wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:Could be a late introduction then... I got a feeling Hibbard or Dacey could also be another late introduction to the squad.

Players can only be replaced now if injured, and this is the risk with only 2 hookers.  Lets say Owens gets injured this weekend or against Uruguay then he has to be dropped from the squad to be replaced.

However replacements don't have to be like for like and Gatland has hinted that if that scenario did happen he could keep the injured  hooker with the squad but drop another player then replace him with a hooker.

BW, I thought I read somewhere that the player being replaced had to have a medical and a form had to be signed saying he was injured, you can't just drop somebody from the squad.

Wayne,

That was always my understanding but that's what Gatland was saying which again brings the decision to only have 2 hookers a very dodgy one. Heaven forbid one of them gets injured but to abide by the ruling for having a full front row on the bench that player couldn't be kept in the squad as they would have to call another hooker.

Unless Gatland is right and they can just drop a player but does seem a strange one.

The issue is more of one of the hookers got a 24 hour bug on the day of the game. To replace him we would have to drop him from the squad

maestegmafia wrote:

bedfordwelsh wrote:

wayne wrote:

bedfordwelsh wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:Could be a late introduction then... I got a feeling Hibbard or Dacey could also be another late introduction to the squad.

Players can only be replaced now if injured, and this is the risk with only 2 hookers.  Lets say Owens gets injured this weekend or against Uruguay then he has to be dropped from the squad to be replaced.

However replacements don't have to be like for like and Gatland has hinted that if that scenario did happen he could keep the injured  hooker with the squad but drop another player then replace him with a hooker.

BW, I thought I read somewhere that the player being replaced had to have a medical and a form had to be signed saying he was injured, you can't just drop somebody from the squad.

Wayne,

That was always my understanding but that's what Gatland was saying which again brings the decision to only have 2 hookers a very dodgy one. Heaven forbid one of them gets injured but to abide by the ruling for having a full front row on the bench that player couldn't be kept in the squad as they would have to call another hooker.

Unless Gatland is right and they can just drop a player but does seem a strange one.

The issue is more of one of the hookers got a 24 hour bug on the day of the game. To replace him we would have to drop him from the squad

maestegmafia.

I thought that was the case once the squad as been named. If a players needs replacing for injurie or some other reason, then he has to be dropped from the squad and will play no further part in the RWC.

bedfordwelsh wrote:Wayne,

I would say you are right as am pretty sure players can only be replaced if injured so how he could justify dropping a second row for a hooker am not sure.

Unless of course some feigns an injury which again Gatland says he won't do.  If however AWJ (again heaven forbid) was ruled out I guess they could call another hooker in then.

Yes I think that would be likely. Also if AWJ fully recovers and one of the other players is injured, we could add a hooker.

It's risky, the Australians have also done it.

I had a feeling he might make one of these types of selection decisions. I think we discussed it before. Though, not perceiving injury to AWJ I thought his reasoning would be to increase "X-Factor" options for games we need to rack up tries in.

Its ok taking the risk and then if another player got injured he could call up a hooker but if one of the hookers got injured or as Maes said picked up a bug then it doesn't look such a clever decision.

LordDowlais wrote:

munkian wrote:We should of closed the game off long before the heavens opened, its a load of bullocks to blame him.

I am not blaming him, I am blaming them. Priestland should have kicked the ball further, and the forwards should have won their own line out. The fact Preistland cannot kick to touch with a bit of distance is what I am trying to make people aware of.

There's too big an obsession with kickers trying to make these yards you speak of nowadays. I'd rather my ten just made sure he found touch.

Risca Rev wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

munkian wrote:We should of closed the game off long before the heavens opened, its a load of bullocks to blame him.

I am not blaming him, I am blaming them. Priestland should have kicked the ball further, and the forwards should have won their own line out. The fact Preistland cannot kick to touch with a bit of distance is what I am trying to make people aware of.

There's too big an obsession with kickers trying to make these yards you speak of nowadays. I'd rather my ten just made sure he found touch.

Aye, he still did better than Shexwee

Priestland Do you actually watch any rugby Munkian