QF3: Ireland v Argentina, 18 October

by **George Carlin** Mon 12 Oct 2015, 7:23 am

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IRELAND v ARGENTINA

18 October 2015
KO: 13:00 BST (UTC+01)
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff

Live on [tbc]

Ref: Jerome Garcès (France)
ARs: Romain Poite (France)and Chris Pollock (NZ)
TMO: George Ayoub (Australia)

A. Head to Head

15 Played 15
10 Won 5
0 Drawn 0
5 Lost 15
331 Points 283

B. Recent Form

14 June 2014
Estadio Monumental José Fierro, Tucumán
17 – 23 to Ireland

7 June 2014
Estadio Centenario, Resistencia
17 – 29 to Ireland

24 November 2012
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
46 – 24 to Ireland

28 November 2010
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
29 – 9 to Ireland

22 November 2008
Croke Park, Dublin
17 – 3 to Ireland

30 September 2007
Parc des Princes, Paris, France
30 – 15 to Argentina

2 June 2007
Estadio José Amalfitani, Buenos Aires
16 – 0 to Argentina

C. TEAMS:

IRELAND
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QF3: Ireland v Argentina, 18 October - Page 9 Caitri10

15. Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster)
14. Tommy Bowe (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
13. Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster)
12. Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Connacht)
11. Dave Kearney (Lansdowne/Leinster)
10. Johnny Sexton (St Mary's College/Leinster)
9. Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster)
1. Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster)
2. Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster)
3. Mike Ross (Clontarf/Leinster)
4. Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster)
5. Iain Henderson (Ballynahinch/Ulster)
6. Jordi Murphy (Lansdowne/Leinster)
7. Chris Henry (Malone/Ulster)
8. Jamie Heaslip (Dublin University/Leinster) captain

Replacements;
16. Richardt Strauss (Old Wesley/Leinster)
17. Jack McGrath (St Mary's College/Leinster)
18. Nathan White (Connacht)
19. Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster)
20. Rhys Ruddock (St Mary's College/Leinster)
21. Eoin Reddan (Old Crescent/Leinster)
22. Ian Madigan (Blackrock/Leinster)
23. Luke Fitzgerald (Blackrock/Leinster)

ARGENTINA
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QF3: Ireland v Argentina, 18 October - Page 9 Mia-ma11

15. Joaquin Tuculet
14. Santiago Cordero
13. Matías Moroni
12. Juan Martín Hernández
11. Juan Imhoff
10. Nicolás Sánchez
9. Martín Landajo
1. Marcos Ayerza
2. Agustín Creevy (c)
3. Ramiro Herrera
4. Guido Petti
5. Tomás Lavanini
6. Pablo Matera
7. Juan Martín Fernández Lobbe
8. Leonardo Senatore

Replacements:
16. Julián Montoya
17. Lucas Noguera
18. Juan Pablo Orlandi
19. Matías Alemanno
20. Facundo Isa
21. Tomás Cubelli
22. Jerónimo De La Fuente
23. Lucas González Amorosino

by doctor_grey Sat 17 Oct 2015, 2:40 pm

Shame for Ireland as Sexton is such a good player. Hard to know how things will go as this is a different looking team without O'Connell. With the exception of Madigan, the backs look fine. If Ireland can match Argentina physically, then it probably comes down to Madigan. Not sure I love those odds, but this should be a great match.

by PredictorofTeams Sat 17 Oct 2015, 2:42 pm

Inside scoop is Sexton is actually concussed quite badly, the abductor strain is a cover story.

by majesticimperialman Sat 17 Oct 2015, 2:47 pm

I did not think he would play after he went off like he did last week.

When Madigan came on last week Ireland looked really sharper and a much better team than they did when Sexton was on.

With POC being ruled out hard to see how this game will go.

I do hope that Sexton soon make's a full recovery.

by westisbest Sat 17 Oct 2015, 10:48 pm

Nervous about this game tomorrow.

Sexton, POC & SOB, huge losses.

Hopefully we can get the win, if we do. then think it will only be by a few points.

One things for sure, the fans will be in full voice.

by VinceWLB Sat 17 Oct 2015, 10:52 pm

Ireland performance against France surely has to be put into perspective now. Argentina only lost by 10 against NZ. All things considered they have to be favorite for this one.

by ME-109 Sat 17 Oct 2015, 11:11 pm

westisbest wrote:Nervous about this game tomorrow.

Sexton, POC & SOB, huge losses.

Hopefully we can get the win, if we do. then think it will only be by a few points.

One things for sure, the fans will be in full voice.

Biggest loss is POM..watch the breakdown and tackle area tomorrow.

by Guest Sat 17 Oct 2015, 11:19 pm

VinceWLB wrote:Ireland performance against France surely has to be put into perspective now. Argentina only lost by 10 against NZ. All things considered they have to be favorite for this one.

Argentina never faced that sort of display. I doubt anyone can compete against the All Blacks in that form.

by SecretFly Sat 17 Oct 2015, 11:24 pm

VinceWLB wrote:Ireland performance against France surely has to be put into perspective now. Argentina only lost by 10 against NZ. All things considered they have to be favorite for this one.

No side in this competition would have lived with that New Zealand performance tonight. None of them.
The All Blacks did a bluff through their entire Pool stage - taking time to experiment on different plays and still fully confident they had the gas if needed to pull off a win in the end after all the 'training' for 80. These guys play a better side each and every week in training than the meet on an International field most times.

So there is no comparison to be made with New Zealand in the mood they were in tonight with the one they were in against Argentina.

This of course has no bearing on what the outcome might be tomorrow or the performances might be from either side. It'll be a new game, and I'm sure Ireland will have to play out of their skins again to pull off a win. The day will take care of itself and we'll see how we go.

by The Great Aukster Sun 18 Oct 2015, 12:00 am

Ireland's final is tomorrow. If they make the RWC semi final they should be content with that and hail Schmidt as someone who has turned them into a team with final four expectation. Reaching the semis for the first time in 26 years is an achievement not to be sniffed at.

When Argentina joined the RC they automatically entered into competition with the top three teams in the world so naturally they will expect to be reaching the last four.

by SecretFly Sun 18 Oct 2015, 12:27 am

ME-109 wrote:Sexton is out...Madigan in, Jackson on the bench. Boss called up....

Four of our frontline players out....big ask but doable.

Boss?!

After last night's effort?

by SecretFly Sun 18 Oct 2015, 12:31 am

mrsuperclear wrote:Is it strange that the first thing I thought when I heard Sexton is out, Madigan starting and Paddy on the bench with Boss called up is, "they're not calling up that fec king eejit"

This will be much different for Madigan as I can't imagine our pack will be dominating the match as much as last week, I have faith he can prove everyone wrong though and prove himself finally as an OH and not just a great impact sub.

I think he might be on his way to a larger role even if we lose tomorrow, as it seems (if Concussion again) that Sexton might be in a very difficult area now career-wise. If it's another concussion, it's been too many and he'll be forced to ask questions of himself.

by ME-109 Sun 18 Oct 2015, 12:33 am

SecretFly wrote:
ME-109 wrote:Sexton is out...Madigan in, Jackson on the bench. Boss called up....

Four of our frontline players out....big ask but doable.

Boss?! After last night's effort?

Indeed....tell you something weird though. Was at Musgrave park for the Munster game. Tomás came on at about55-60 mins...turned the game around and made Keatley look very good...not joking...

by Sin é Sun 18 Oct 2015, 12:35 am

I see Gibbo has been posting on the Irish Times site. He is hilarious. How come he never posts here anymore?

by SecretFly Sun 18 Oct 2015, 12:42 am

ME-109 wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
ME-109 wrote:Sexton is out...Madigan in, Jackson on the bench. Boss called up....

Four of our frontline players out....big ask but doable.

Boss?! After last night's effort?

Indeed....tell you something weird though. Was at Musgrave park for the Munster game. Tomás came on at about55-60 mins...turned the game around and made Keatley look very good...not joking...

Yeah. I saw a bit of Keatley looking good.

by SecretFly Sun 18 Oct 2015, 12:44 am

Sin é wrote:I see Gibbo has been posting on the Irish Times site. He is hilarious. How come he never posts here anymore?

Doesn't like s no more. We take ourselves too seriously for is liking.

Where he came up with that idea I'll never know. But glad to know he's still on is feet and enjoying the juice elsewhere.

by SecretFly Sun 18 Oct 2015, 12:46 am

What article was he posting in?

by Nos na Gaoithe Sun 18 Oct 2015, 12:47 am

SecretFly wrote:
mrsuperclear wrote:Is it strange that the first thing I thought when I heard Sexton is out, Madigan starting and Paddy on the bench with Boss called up is, "they're not calling up that fec king eejit"

This will be much different for Madigan as I can't imagine our pack will be dominating the match as much as last week, I have faith he can prove everyone wrong though and prove himself finally as an OH and not just a great impact sub.

I think he might be on his way to a larger role even if we lose tomorrow, as it seems (if Concussion again) that Sexton might be in a very difficult area now career-wise. If it's another concussion, it's been too many and he'll be forced to ask questions of himself.

I have to say the mystery's surrounding Sexton are becoming a bigger issue now than they could have been. If Schmidt really has been bluffing the Argentinians on this then fair enough... the bit of distraction could be a final stroke of tactical genius to squeeze every last drop of miserable advantage from a truly awful situation.

The problem with that story is that it does not seem to be coming across in the media at all. Not only the press and tv pundits, but also players like Heaslip himself have now been talking up the "devastating" blow that Sexton's last-minute pull out has now added to the task ahead. I dunno but that doesn't really sound like the kind of talk you want your captain heading into the game with.

I think all of us knew that Sexton was a real worry. Would it not have been better to simply make the decision early and give him a full two weeks to recover? That surely would have settled team nerves and expectations and simultaneously shown real confidence in Madigan's ability to carry this game.

Anyways... time to wipe those thoughts from my head for the next few hours. censored

by Sin é Sun 18 Oct 2015, 9:47 am

SecretFly wrote:What article was he posting in?

Here you go
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/anger-over-pap%C3%A9-still-lingers-as-ireland-focus-on-getting-to-first-semi-final-1.2395090

One of his comments (he doesn't hold back on poor old Paulie & Sexton

Gibbo
This is ********. The hard truth is, O Connell was seriously on the wane. He was well past his top class international sell-by date.

Right here. Right now. Hendo is twice the effective player he is. Paulie served us well, I and other knowing rugby fans know this to be true, but this is timely. I wish him well in his future. Respect.

Enough of this Irish self-serving ******. We need to grow up and realise that blind loyalty has held us back for eons. #seedeccie

Time to be ruthless. Like the KeeWees. And move on, if we ever want to win this thing.

As for Sexton. If he and Paulie had lasted that game, we would be playing the Keewes (and out), now, instead of a better chance v a free-flowing Argentina. Who may just put us back in our place, unless we give that 2nd half performance for 80 minutes against them. They are a better team imo.

Madigan had us playing like Leinster in 2012, in contrast to the ball and hope-kickers we had become. . Hendo was punching holes at every turn. Maddser was frightening the shoite out of France. Something we seriously lacked up to the moment they came on.

Now, we have some hope of progressing.

Word.

#wakedefockup

And Believe

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Gibbo
O Mahony is the player we will miss most. He is pure and true calculated aggression. But he should start on the bench in future. Massive impact player. Its a 23 man game now.

The essential SOB will be back for the SF. If we make it.

The best starting and perfectly balanced backrow, we could possibly have, is forming by osmosis and injury.

It should, and MUST be in situ, for the SF.

O' Brien, Henry and Heaslip. Been saying this long before this gig kicked-off.

Believe.

His user name should be 'Believe' Smile

by TJ Sun 18 Oct 2015, 9:57 am

For me this is the match of the QFs - should be fairly even so good entertainment and should be some good rugby. Looking forward to it

by eirebilly Sun 18 Oct 2015, 10:04 am

Gibbo is right that Ireland will miss POM but wrong thinking that he should be an impact sub.

Very nervous about today, I have Ireland as the favourites and hope that they give the Argies a good beating but there is this little doubt in my head...

I said before the RWC that I would have been exceedingly happy with topping the group but a Semi final would be a dream come true, Still feel this way so if Ireland lose today I will still be a very happy man.

by Rory_Gallagher Sun 18 Oct 2015, 10:55 am

eirebilly wrote:Gibbo is right that Ireland will miss POM but wrong thinking that he should be an impact sub.

Very nervous about today, I have Ireland as the favourites and hope that they give the Argies a good beating but there is this little doubt in my head...

I said before the RWC that I would have been exceedingly happy with topping the group but a Semi final would be a dream come true, Still feel this way so if Ireland lose today I will still be a very happy man.

Weren't you hoping to see POM dropped a few weeks back? Whistle

by eirebilly Sun 18 Oct 2015, 11:03 am

I don't think so Rory, I said a few weeks back that he looked short of form and as such was bringing a slight imbalance to the back row.

by SecretFly Sun 18 Oct 2015, 11:15 am

All Ireland must be gone to Wales for this one. Just after realising that's why this place is so empty.

Oh well, I must do another round of my County Alert drive before the game to keep the thousands of empty houses safe... Wink

by Exiled Gael Sun 18 Oct 2015, 11:23 am

There is a nugget of truth in what Gibbo has said. For instance, around the pitch Henderson is a more effective player than POC. But it is the intangibles that POC brings that makes (or made) him an integral part of the team. But to say we would have lost with POC and Sexton on the pitch? It is utter nonsense.

And POM was absolutely brilliant until he got injured. His performance as a 'performance of a lifetime' was a bit overstated though.

Anyway, usually for big games I feel nervous and a sense of anticipation. Today, it isn't there. I really think Argentina will turn us over. Madigan was great against France but he isn't good enough consistently at this level. He hasn't got the kicking game to control a match of this magnitude. The backrow with Murphy doesn't do it for me. Henry is an underrated player and I don't think he is a step down from SOB or POM- he's a sideways step, a different player. But when SOB and POM are out? Murphy is a big step down.

Argentina by 10.

by **George Carlin** Sun 18 Oct 2015, 11:48 am

Ireland have to put down the hair shirts and the Kilkenny and win this. There cannot be NO northern hemisphere participants in the Semis. What a load of old pish that would be.

I miss my friend Gibson too

by eirebilly Sun 18 Oct 2015, 12:11 pm

George, are you writing off Scotland already? Shocked

by **George Carlin** Sun 18 Oct 2015, 12:25 pm

eirebilly wrote:George, are you writing off Scotland already?

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by eirebilly Sun 18 Oct 2015, 12:25 pm

Gael,

I don't have as many concerns about Madigan as I used to. Last week he stepped up and showed his maturity in big match situations. I believe that he controlled the game perfectly last week and believe he will today as well.

Argentina are a good side and have come on in leaps and bounds since regularly playing the SANZAR teams but I still feel Ireland are better.

Ireland by 12

by Guest Sun 18 Oct 2015, 12:26 pm

Ireland v Scotland semi final. It's written in stone Very Happy

Sexton out is hardly great news, but if Madigan does exactly what he is told to do, and with Murray running the show, we should be fine on that front.
Not so sure about Murphy. Big game needed from him, but if he can't handle it, then we have choices. Bring on Ryan, and move Henderson to 6, or leave Henderson where he is and bring Ruddock on.

As Gibbo would say 'BELIEVE'

by TJ Sun 18 Oct 2015, 12:26 pm

eirebilly wrote:George, are you writing off Scotland already?

What - Scotland written off before a ball is kicked? tut tut tut. How anti scots is that. We have beaten Aus 2 out of 3 games in recent years. We must be odds on shurly? Braveheart

by Exiled Gael Sun 18 Oct 2015, 12:28 pm

Eirebilly, in fairness I'm at the match and I'm pretty sure I'm already drunk. On a Sunday. Jesus would be very disappointed.

by eirebilly Sun 18 Oct 2015, 12:32 pm

Exiled Gael wrote:Eirebilly, in fairness I'm at the match and I'm pretty sure I'm already drunk. On a Sunday. Jesus would be very disappointed.

Great stuff you being there Very Happy

Look forward to some drunken rants from you later thumbsup

by Exiled Gael Sun 18 Oct 2015, 12:34 pm

Ha! I can barely see my phone screen as it is Eirebilly. One of my mates is away for a tactical boke already. We'd need to win.

by **Notch** Sun 18 Oct 2015, 12:37 pm

This is going to be tough! G'wan Ireland...

by Pete330v2 Sun 18 Oct 2015, 12:48 pm

Hold on tight folks, especially Exiled Gael. I think this is going to be a hell of a ride. My guts are knotted and I'm not sure the roast dinner's gonna be as well timed as usual.
IT'S TIME TO MAKE HISTORY LADS!!!!!

by **George Carlin** Sun 18 Oct 2015, 12:49 pm

by carpet baboon Sun 18 Oct 2015, 12:56 pm

Up all night (work) 1 hours sleep. Kids taken to the park as a distraction.
Now it's time to sit down strap in and enjoy the ride.
I'm bricking it.

25 point win to ireland

by eirebilly Sun 18 Oct 2015, 12:56 pm

Our mate Gibbo is in fine form, in a pub in Amsterdam.

Believe

by Guest Sun 18 Oct 2015, 12:58 pm

Come on, Ireland!! QF3: Ireland v Argentina, 18 October - Page 9 3933776953

by **Pal Joey** Sun 18 Oct 2015, 12:59 pm

eirebilly wrote:Our mate Gibbo is in fine form, in a pub in Amsterdam.

Believe

Are you with him or on the phone? Say g'day from me next time you see him.
Good luck Ireland. Really hoping they will win even though I've tipped Argentina.

by eirebilly Sun 18 Oct 2015, 1:01 pm

The Loaded Dog wrote:
eirebilly wrote:Our mate Gibbo is in fine form, in a pub in Amsterdam.

Believe

Are you with him or on the phone? Say g'day from me next time you see him.
Good luck Ireland. Really hoping they will win even though I've tipped Argentina.

No not with him Tom but will send your greetings to him thumbsup

by Pete330v2 Sun 18 Oct 2015, 1:01 pm

I hope that's Madgan's extra lucky haircut

by Exiled Gael Sun 18 Oct 2015, 1:01 pm

Last text lads then thr phone goes away. Anthems unreal. Atmosphere unreal. Just saw Madigan on the big scree- hair chopped, the lad means business. Fook what I said before, we are winning. Believe

by Pete330v2 Sun 18 Oct 2015, 1:02 pm

Do say hello to Gibbo from me

by **Pal Joey** Sun 18 Oct 2015, 1:04 pm

eirebilly wrote:
The Loaded Dog wrote:
eirebilly wrote:Our mate Gibbo is in fine form, in a pub in Amsterdam.

Believe

Are you with him or on the phone? Say g'day from me next time you see him.
Good luck Ireland. Really hoping they will win even though I've tipped Argentina.

No not with him Tom but will send your greetings to him

Thanks Alec guinness

by eirebilly Sun 18 Oct 2015, 1:05 pm

Feck...

by **Notch** Sun 18 Oct 2015, 1:05 pm

by kingraf Sun 18 Oct 2015, 1:06 pm

Juan Martin Hernandez > Everyone who's ever played the game.

The Aesthete

by eirebilly Sun 18 Oct 2015, 1:06 pm

Have to say that was poor defending from Dave Kearney...

by **Pal Joey** Sun 18 Oct 2015, 1:11 pm

Amazing try...

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