Cardiff Blues Season Thread 3 - Danny Wilson Appointed Head Coach

[Guest]

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Navidi is better in other positions in my opinion. Williams is an out and out 8. Good signing.

[ScarletSpiderman]

You watched minimal highlights of the Dragons game then. Good way to form an opinion.

I don't follow you around. That's just typical of your arrogance. I tend to post on Welsh rugby threads, much like you. The difference is I am not a casual supporter like you. You may pay money to watch games, but you have just proved my point that you're a casual and haven't chosen a team to support. You say we accept mediocrity, yet you form your casual supporter opinion (normally from highlights or your friend the Wail) and expect people to accept it. As I told you, yes Dragons lost by four tries. For a start they're a poor side as you keep saying, so why shouldn't the near table toppers do well v us? Cardiff lost last week, yet you just assume a Welsh team has a God given right to go to Treviso and win.

There's no nastiness just because you have no answer. Tell you what, ignore me then and answer Luckless' post. Stop playing the victim card, just because (unsurprisingly) somebody differed from your opinion.

You don't chose the team that you support, the team choses you. Or at least that is how I have heard it best described in the past.

[RiscaGame]

Haha. Well I wish Ospreys or Cardiff would make their mind up and choose Dowlais for now then, until Merthyr become pro and then choose him.

[LordDowlais]

Risca, I am not going to bicker with you on this thread anymore, lets just leave it there.

In their last two games, the Dragons played two of the top teams in the league. They led both, losing late on by two points and five points. Yes, they were defeats, but could easily have been victories. I'm not saying everything's rosy, but they were games that could have gone either way. That doesn't seem to count for anything to you.

It does not mean anything to me no. It is still a loss, you sound like the Scottish fans, who reckon at least the performance was there blah, blah, blah. Conceding 4 tries at home is poor, for any team, against any side. 

I think that Dragons have the making of a good side. They have not lost as many players to Wales as others have, I just cannot figure out why they are so poor year on year.

[LordDowlais]

You don't chose the team that you support, the team choses you. Or at least that is how I have heard it best described in the past.

I did have a team once, it was taken away from me, people should not get on their high horses about supporting a team when they have not gone through the same crap as myself and many others have.

Risca STILL has a team in Newport to support, nothing has ever changed for him, SS it's the same for you as well, nothing has ever changed for you either, I support Welsh rugby now, I just happen to go to Cardiff more as that is where the rest of my family like going to do non rugby oriented things whilst I watch the game, add to that my father has supported Cardiff since the 70's, so I go down there with the rest of my family for the most.

I will also go and watch the other regions when Cardiff are away, or when I am at a lose end on a Friday or Sunday when Cardiff are not playing, mostly I will watch the other regions on a Sunday after taking the family out for dinner, and they have somewhere to go shopping and go for a coffee whilst I have a pint and watch the game. 

But why I feel the need to have to explain myself on here as to why I support Welsh rugby the way I do, I do not know, but here you go.

[RiscaGame]

"Risca has a team in Newport to support"

Right, for a start, everybody has a pro team in Wales to support. They just choose not to. Half of them claim not to be represented, yet still ponce about in their Man U tops etc.

Secondly, if you knew anything about Risca, you would know that we are just as anti Newport as the rest of the Gwent/Merthyr pro team Valleys. But I support them because I have a choice to. I have four pro teams to support, just like you do so I chose one. You didn't get pro rugby taken away from you, your last worldwide valleys team couldn't/wouldn't support it. You aren't entitled to pro rugby, despite your protestations. Though at least your agenda is clear now. You're one of the "disenfranchised", so rubbishing the current pro teams makes sense.

[LordDowlais]

Though at least your agenda is clear now. You're one of the "disenfranchised", so rubbishing the current pro teams makes sense.

See, there you go again, another attack, why all these barbs, all the flipping time ?

I have no agenda, I call things as I see them, and the regions are not achieving anything, not at the moment, we have been in this situation for over a decade, and if anything, we have gone backwards, that is how I see things, I'm sorry if me saying this upsets you, but I want 4 regions who are competing for honours, not 4 regions who have no hope in hell at winning anything.

[ScarletSpiderman]

You don't chose the team that you support, the team choses you. Or at least that is how I have heard it best described in the past.

I did have a team once, it was taken away from me, people should not get on their high horses about supporting a team when they have not gone through the same crap as myself and many others have.

Risca STILL has a team in Newport to support, nothing has ever changed for him, SS it's the same for you as well, nothing has ever changed for you either, I support Welsh rugby now, I just happen to go to Cardiff more as that is where the rest of my family like going to do non rugby oriented things whilst I watch the game, add to that my father has supported Cardiff since the 70's, so I go down there with the rest of my family for the most.

I will also go and watch the other regions when Cardiff are away, or when I am at a lose end on a Friday or Sunday when Cardiff are not playing, mostly I will watch the other regions on a Sunday after taking the family out for dinner, and they have somewhere to go shopping and go for a coffee whilst I have a pint and watch the game. 

But why I feel the need to have to explain myself on here as to why I support Welsh rugby the way I do, I do not know, but here you go.

Not quite right there. Its a reverse situation to you. I never really had a team. I watched Llanelli RFC on TV, and they were my favourite team. However I was never really a 'supporter' (as in putting money into their coffers and helping to support the side financially) and I was never really a 'fan' (as in being fanatical about keeping up with their comings and goings etc). Since regionalism however, I have been given the Scarlets. A team that, regardless of what anyone else wants to think, represent me and my area. And since they I have become a 'Supporter' (season ticket holder for 10 years, new shirt every season, so much merchandise in my house its scary), and I am a 'fan' (I check up on the latest news every day, am on the supporters forums etc). So thinks are very different for me since the change from Llanelli RFC to the Scarlets, whether people want to believe it or not.

[Coleman]

Team for Saturday:
1. T. Davies
2. Dacey
3. Ma'afu
4. Hoeata
5. Down
6. Turnbull
7. Jenkins
8. Vosawai
9. L. Williams
10. Anscombe
11. Scully
12. Lee-Lo
13. Allen
14. Cuthbert
15. Patchell

16. Rees
17. Thyer
18. Filese
19. Cook
20. Navidi
21. T. Williams
22. James
23. Fish

Disapointed to see Patch picked ahead of Fish after his performance last weekend. No Gethin? I thought he was released. Tom Davies needs to buck his ideas up. Glad to see Turnbull back in the side. Hope he picks up where he left off.

[LordDowlais]

 I watched Llanelli RFC on TV, and they were my favourite team.

There you go SS, you see, that one sentence explains more than anything, even now, you are STILL supporting your favourite team, no matter what guise they are now in, you are still supporting the same pro team. The only thing that has changed for you, is that you have become more fanatical about your favourite team.

Look, I do not begrudge you, or anybody else, lets just be straight and honest, and at the same time, lets be straight and honest about the 4 teams, they are not performing as well as they should, with the players they have. That's not the fans fault, but for me it is how the status quo is.

[LordDowlais]

Team for Saturday:
1. T. Davies
2. Dacey
3. Ma'afu
4. Hoeata
5. Down
6. Turnbull
7. Jenkins
8. Vosawai
9. L. Williams
10. Anscombe
11. Scully
12. Lee-Lo
13. Allen
14. Cuthbert
15. Patchell

16. Rees
17. Thyer
18. Filese
19. Cook
20. Navidi
21. T. Williams
22. James
23. Fish

Disapointed to see Patch picked ahead of Fish after his performance last weekend. No Gethin? I thought he was released. Tom Davies needs to buck his ideas up. Glad to see Turnbull back in the side. Hope he picks up where he left off.

I will be there for this game, I just hope they play better than they did last week, have Leinster got any of their internationals back ?

[PhilBB]

they are not performing as well as they should, with the players they have.

Yet they are performing almost in a perfect linear fashion to their relative wage bill, thus casting doubt on your opinion.

[PhilBB]

I will be there for this game, I just hope they play better than they did last week, have Leinster got any of their internationals back ?

http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/news/14661.php#.VscPWTZiyhQ

Leinster know who they are playing.

[ScarletSpiderman]

 I watched Llanelli RFC on TV, and they were my favourite team.

There you go SS, you see, that one sentence explains more than anything, even now, you are STILL supporting your favourite team, no matter what guise they are now in, you are still supporting the same pro team. The only thing that has changed for you, is that you have become more fanatical about your favourite team.

Look, I do not begrudge you, or anybody else, lets just be straight and honest, and at the same time, lets be straight and honest about the 4 teams, they are not performing as well as they should, with the players they have. That's not the fans fault, but for me it is how the status quo is.

No, you are missing the point. Favourite does not mean you have an affinity to them. Just they are the best that is on offer. You may not have a region, but of the three you should have a favourite, as in one that you prefer, the one you would like to see win at judgement day. But to be honest, I'm not sure you understood what I was getting at, and I have a feeling you didn't want to see what I was getting at either.

Each into their own.

[Coleman]

Bloody hell that is a strong Leinater team.

[ScarletSpiderman]

Team for Saturday:
1. T. Davies
2. Dacey
3. Ma'afu
4. Hoeata
5. Down
6. Turnbull
7. Jenkins
8. Vosawai
9. L. Williams
10. Anscombe
11. Scully
12. Lee-Lo
13. Allen
14. Cuthbert
15. Patchell

16. Rees
17. Thyer
18. Filese
19. Cook
20. Navidi
21. T. Williams
22. James
23. Fish

Disapointed to see Patch picked ahead of Fish after his performance last weekend. No Gethin? I thought he was released. Tom Davies needs to buck his ideas up. Glad to see Turnbull back in the side. Hope he picks up where he left off.

Interesting to see Anscombe at fly half, I would have thought higher powers would force him to fullback

[RiscaGame]

Though at least your agenda is clear now. You're one of the "disenfranchised", so rubbishing the current pro teams makes sense.

See, there you go again, another attack, why all these barbs, all the flipping time ?

I have no agenda, I call things as I see them, and the regions are not achieving anything, not at the moment, we have been in this situation for over a decade, and if anything, we have gone backwards, that is how I see things, I'm sorry if me saying this upsets you, but I want 4 regions who are competing for honours, not 4 regions who have no hope in hell at winning anything.

Four pro teams that are either under financed or underachieving, depending on your agenda.

Gone backwards how? For a start one of your teams Cardiff has won a European trophy.

So many attacks though, yes.

[PhilBB]

Interesting to see Anscombe at fly half, I would have thought higher powers would force him to fullback

Which would have been a farce when you consider why Patchell is moving on.

[RiscaGame]

Team for Saturday:
1. T. Davies
2. Dacey
3. Ma'afu
4. Hoeata
5. Down
6. Turnbull
7. Jenkins
8. Vosawai
9. L. Williams
10. Anscombe
11. Scully
12. Lee-Lo
13. Allen
14. Cuthbert
15. Patchell

16. Rees
17. Thyer
18. Filese
19. Cook
20. Navidi
21. T. Williams
22. James
23. Fish

Disapointed to see Patch picked ahead of Fish after his performance last weekend. No Gethin? I thought he was released. Tom Davies needs to buck his ideas up. Glad to see Turnbull back in the side. Hope he picks up where he left off.

I will be there for this game, I just hope they play better than they did last week, have Leinster got any of their internationals back ?

Ospreys away are they, or is it Cardiff's turn for your "support" this week?

[PhilBB]

Four pro teams that are either under financed or underachieving, depending on your agenda.

Gone backwards how? For a start one of your teams Cardiff has won a European trophy.

So many attacks though, yes.

The financial argument is not agenda driven. It's a statement of fact.

[RiscaGame]

they are not performing as well as they should, with the players they have.

Yet they are performing almost in a perfect linear fashion to their relative wage bill, thus casting doubt on your opinion.

Wages and budgets only matter to him, when it suits.

[RiscaGame]

Four pro teams that are either under financed or underachieving, depending on your agenda.

Gone backwards how? For a start one of your teams Cardiff has won a European trophy.

So many attacks though, yes.

The financial argument is not agenda driven. It's a statement of fact.

You've kind of missed my point there, that I know this and so does Dowlais depending on whether he wants to argue with the Irish (and then it counts), or rubbish the pro teams (and then budgets don't count).

[PhilBB]

Four pro teams that are either under financed or underachieving, depending on your agenda.

Gone backwards how? For a start one of your teams Cardiff has won a European trophy.

So many attacks though, yes.

The financial argument is not agenda driven. It's a statement of fact.

You've kind of missed my point there, that I know this and so does Dowlais depending on whether he wants to argue with the Irish (and then it counts), or rubbish the pro teams (and then budgets don't count).

I'm getting the vibe that Dowlais is either clueless or inconsistent.

[mikey_dragon]

depending on whether he wants to argue with the Irish (and then it counts), or rubbish the pro teams (and then budgets don't count).

I'm getting the vibe that Dowlais is either clueless or inconsistent.[/quote]

You've finally said something that makes sense to me.

[RiscaGame]

Good Leinster team. Their second row out with a toe injury though? Blinking heck, that's soft.

Bit surprised Tom James is on the bench. I'd have thought he could've done with a start to cement his place in Team Wales (not that I think Gatland will drop him anyway).

[LordDowlais]

Four pro teams that are either under financed or underachieving, depending on your agenda.

Gone backwards how? For a start one of your teams Cardiff has won a European trophy.

So many attacks though, yes.

The financial argument is not agenda driven. It's a statement of fact.

You've kind of missed my point there, that I know this and so does Dowlais depending on whether he wants to argue with the Irish (and then it counts), or rubbish the pro teams (and then budgets don't count).

Risca, you are starting to bother me now, please stop trolling me. Budgets or not, the regions have players who should be doing a lot better than they are, I only argue with the Irish about budgets on here when they try and make out that they are spending naff all.

For example, next year Scarlets will have the following players :-

Gareth Davies
Samson Lee
Rob Evans
John Davies
Scott Williams
Jake Ball
Liam Williams
DTH Van De Merve
Rhys Patchell
Aaron Shingler
John Barcley


Now budgets or not, a team with that core of players should be doing a lot better than losing every game in Europe.

We will see what happens next season, but if it is more of the same as this season, then surely questions should be asked. This goes for ALL the regions, not just Scarlets.

[PhilBB]

Now budgets or not, a team with that core of players should be doing a lot better than losing every game in Europe.

We will see what happens next season, but if it is more of the same as this season, then surely questions should be asked. This goes for ALL the regions, not just Scarlets.

So you're judging one of the four teams by something that hasn't happened yet.

Rightio.

[Guest]

[quote="LordDowlais"][quote="RiscaGame"][quote="PhilBB"]

For example, next year Scarlets will have the following players :-

Gareth Davies
Samson Lee
Rob Evans
John Davies
Scott Williams
Jake Ball
Liam Williams
DTH Van De Merve
Rhys Patchell
Aaron Shingler
John Barcley


Now budgets or not, a team with that core of players should be doing a lot better than losing every game in Europe.

We will see what happens next season, but if it is more of the same as this season, then surely questions should be asked. This goes for ALL the regions, not just Scarlets.

That is definitely a good spine to a team. BUT, and this is a massive factor, who are additional squad players that they play with? Who fills out the rest of the squad? Who gets called up when these lot are injured or called up for international duty? At any one time most teams can probably expect to be without a 1/4 or 1/3 of their players to injury. Who is next in line? And this, for me, is where the regions are behind everyone. And unfortunately it does come down to funding (whether that be a fault of the regions for not generating enough or the governing body for not funding it enough, or for bad deals with sponsors and TV, whatever: that's all for another argument). But when you compare our sides to those in other countries it is often the squad players who are of a higher calibre. They've got 'better filler', quite often! Bringing experienced internationals off their bench when we're sending out kids to finish off matches.

So a good spine of a team is one thing, but it's having (and often more importantly, keeping hold of) those decent players in the extended squad. That's where we're suffering at the moment. It's a bit of a merry go round too with players wanting to get game time so your second choice players quickly move on because they want to be 1st choice. It's tough. Often money can be the thing that keeps them there.

[LordDowlais]

Now budgets or not, a team with that core of players should be doing a lot better than losing every game in Europe.

We will see what happens next season, but if it is more of the same as this season, then surely questions should be asked. This goes for ALL the regions, not just Scarlets.

So you're judging one of the four teams by something that hasn't happened yet.

Rightio.

The side that Cardiff Blues sent to Italy last weekend should have never lost to a Treviso side missing about 13 players who were called up to the Italian team.

Likewise the side Ospreys had against Exeter should have never conceded 5 tries at Sandy park.

[PhilBB]

The side that Cardiff Blues sent to Italy last weekend should have never lost to a Treviso side missing about 13 players who were called up to the Italian team.

Likewise the side Ospreys had against Exeter should have never conceded 5 tries at Sandy park.

Sure, just like South Africa shouldn't have lost to Japan.

In other words, your evidence set is a little short and, seemingly, twisted.

[RiscaGame]

Careful now Phil/Griff. Show him up and you're a troll.

I've shown you your own posts Dowlais, where you asked how are the regions meant to compete. I'll happily do it again in a mo. You pick and choose when certain topics matter. You can't handle debate, you play the troll card too easily if somebody dare challenge your arrogant mindset.

Dowlais in Dec. The Pro 12 teams (thus including the Regions) can't be expected to compete with the Aviva.

https://www.606v2.com/t61526-the-pro12-teams-need-to-do-something-or-else

Dowlais in October.

https://www.606v2.com/t60973-irfu-to-spend-even-more-money-on-their-wages

Spend,spend,spend. If you cant beat em, join em.

It just goes to show the disparity in the Pro12. There really should be a salary cap in our league. At the moment the Irish are spending more than the French.

Dowlais in July

https://www.606v2.com/t59768-irish-big-spenders

In a nutshell, how are we supposed to compete in the league or Europe when in his own words, we are being outspent?

These weren't countering the Irish or whoever saying they're not spending. These were your topics you posted, when it suited your agenda.

[LordDowlais]

The side that Cardiff Blues sent to Italy last weekend should have never lost to a Treviso side missing about 13 players who were called up to the Italian team.

Likewise the side Ospreys had against Exeter should have never conceded 5 tries at Sandy park.

Sure, just like South Africa shouldn't have lost to Japan.

In other words, your evidence set is a little short and, seemingly, twisted.

When South Africa lose like that on a regular basis like the regions do, then we can compare. Answer me this then Phil, how come Cardiff Blues have gone from winning the EDF cup and the Amlin/CC, then go to being the worst non Italian side in the league ?


I await your answer.

[PhilBB]

When South Africa lose like that on a regular basis like the regions do, then we can compare. Answer me this then Phil, how come Cardiff Blues have gone from winning the EDF cup and the Amlin/CC, then go to being the worst non Italian side in the league ?


I await your answer.

The 2009 Participation Act.

How come we didn't have this approach from you when Cardiff were beating Montpellier? It seems, as an occasional viewer here, that you cherry pick individual events to extrapolate them into being proof of a trend. Why do you that?

[LordDowlais]

When South Africa lose like that on a regular basis like the regions do, then we can compare. Answer me this then Phil, how come Cardiff Blues have gone from winning the EDF cup and the Amlin/CC, then go to being the worst non Italian side in the league ?


I await your answer.

The 2009 Participation Act.

How come we didn't have this approach from you when Cardiff were beating Montpellier? It seems, as an occasional viewer here, that you cherry pick individual events to extrapolate them into being proof of a trend. Why do you that?

WTF are you on about 2009 participation act

I think you'll find I was having a go about Europe actually, but if you do not want to answer the question tidy then we should leave it.

[PhilBB]

WTF are you on about 2009 participation act

I think you'll find I was having a go about Europe actually, but if you do not want to answer the question tidy then we should leave it.

Roger Lewis' 2009 Participation Agreement is the answer to your question. That's why they become uncompetitive.

[Cardiff Dave]

This time, I mostly blame the wind as it suited Leinster I reckon.

[Cardiff Dave]

Oh and only two yellow cards for Leinster. None for Cardiff.
Radio commentary suggested Cardiff got their tictacs wrong in the 2nd half by not using the wind to their advantage. Didn't boot it enough, I spose that means.

[Cardiff Dave]

ESPN stats.
Cardiff dominated possession/terror-tory. Deja vu? Seems Cardiff are doing something right, but fall down at the sharp end.

http://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/matchstats?gameId=269455&league=270557

[Coleman]

I said it when it happend and i stand by it, we lost that game when Anscombe went off. Patchell didn't get us going at all. The conditions were bad but there were times when we should have gone wide. Scully was so frustrated on the wing, begging for a decent kick in to the miles of space he had infront of him 4/5 times.

I really hope Corry Allen is okay, he's not having much luck with injuries.

[carpet baboon]

Oh and only two yellow cards for Leinster. None for Cardiff.
Radio commentary suggested Cardiff got their tictacs wrong in the 2nd half by not using the wind to their advantage. Didn't boot it enough, I spose that means.

Yes for some reason Cardiff decided not to kick for the corner which was bizarre given the wind at there backs, but still in the Leinster half for a good 80%/of the second half. The lineouts were a lottery and passing more than two yards was 50/50. Lottery game all-round. But credit to Leinster's defence and opportunism for the try.

[Cardiff Dave]

Oh and only two yellow cards for Leinster. None for Cardiff.
Radio commentary suggested Cardiff got their tictacs wrong in the 2nd half by not using the wind to their advantage. Didn't boot it enough, I spose that means.

Yes for some reason Cardiff decided not to kick for the corner which was bizarre given the wind at there backs, but still in the Leinster half for a good 80%/of the second half. The lineouts were a lottery and passing more than two yards was 50/50. Lottery game all-round. But credit to Leinster's defence and opportunism for the try.

I bet half of the lineouts ended up as scrums, due to the wind. Leinster only won 3 of their 10 lineouts btw. I'm just surprised at the result, well not that surprised actually, as Cardiff had two thirds possession/territory and Leinster were down to 14 men for 20mins. I'm irked, come to think of it.

[mikey_dragon]

I said it when it happend and i stand by it, we lost that game when Anscombe went off. Patchell didn't get us going at all. The conditions were bad but there were times when we should have gone wide. Scully was so frustrated on the wing, begging for a decent kick in to the miles of space he had infront of him 4/5 times.

I really hope Corry Allen is okay, he's not having much luck with injuries.

With JD2 supposedly injured that is not good news.

[Cardiff Dave]

I said it when it happend and i stand by it, we lost that game when Anscombe went off. Patchell didn't get us going at all. The conditions were bad but there were times when we should have gone wide. Scully was so frustrated on the wing, begging for a decent kick in to the miles of space he had infront of him 4/5 times.

I really hope Corry Allen is okay, he's not having much luck with injuries.

Ankle, wasn't it? Hope it's just a sprain.
I reckon Patchell's in a sort of no-mans land at the moment. Looked like the dog's before Cardiff recruited Anscombe for team Wales, but there we are.

[Cardiff Dave]

I said it when it happend and i stand by it, we lost that game when Anscombe went off. Patchell didn't get us going at all. The conditions were bad but there were times when we should have gone wide. Scully was so frustrated on the wing, begging for a decent kick in to the miles of space he had infront of him 4/5 times.

I really hope Corry Allen is okay, he's not having much luck with injuries.

With JD2 supposedly injured that is not good news.

Have Cardiff signed JD2 then?

[Coleman]

I said it when it happend and i stand by it, we lost that game when Anscombe went off. Patchell didn't get us going at all. The conditions were bad but there were times when we should have gone wide. Scully was so frustrated on the wing, begging for a decent kick in to the miles of space he had infront of him 4/5 times.

I really hope Corry Allen is okay, he's not having much luck with injuries.

With JD2 supposedly injured that is not good news.

Have Cardiff signed JD2 then?

I think he means for Wales buddy.

[Cardiff Dave]

I said it when it happend and i stand by it, we lost that game when Anscombe went off. Patchell didn't get us going at all. The conditions were bad but there were times when we should have gone wide. Scully was so frustrated on the wing, begging for a decent kick in to the miles of space he had infront of him 4/5 times.

I really hope Corry Allen is okay, he's not having much luck with injuries.

With JD2 supposedly injured that is not good news.

Have Cardiff signed JD2 then?

I think he means for Wales buddy.

I realised that.

[Guest]

Yet more anti-Wales posting

Even the Welsh are anti Welsh

[Cardiff Dave]

Yet more anti-Wales posting

Even the Welsh are anti Welsh

"the Welsh", my @rse.
Just being pro Cardiff mun and not all Cardiff supporters are Welsh, btw. Even the players aren't all Welsh either which is marvelous.

[mikey_dragon]

Another crap joke from Dai. He's basically full of crap.

[Cardiff Dave]

Another crap joke from Dai. He's basically full of crap.

Oh dear.

[mikey_dragon]

Another crap joke from Dai. He's basically full of crap.

Oh dear.

I know right.

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