New Tackle Laws

by GunsGermsV2 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 10:43 am

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/new-laws-to-clamp-down-on-high-tackles-could-prove-revolutionary-in-rugby-1.2924256

A lot of people concerned about the new tackle laws. My biggest concern is that it gives referees too much power to decide on intent.

I fear that his will just be another excuse for Wayne Barnes to penalise Ireland unfairly and potentially issue us more yellow cards when we play Wales. I don't trust him to apply the rules consistently or fairly.

by **rodders** Fri 06 Jan 2017, 10:50 am

Ah sure Barnes doesn't allow us to tackle, scrummage or compete at the breakdown anyways so wouldn't see much difference.... Smile

by **Rugby Fan** Fri 06 Jan 2017, 10:53 am

Might be an odd-looking Six Nations, since we'll introduce a bonus point system at the very time players are at the greatest risk of being sent off.

by No 7&1/2 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 10:57 am

Ah the new argument guns. Your view on Barnes I'd idiotic.

by No 7&1/2 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 10:57 am

Is not I'd.

by Pete330v2 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 11:14 am

It's all a conspiracy to nullify Ireland's excellence at the choke tackle the freckers Wink

by GunsGermsV2 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 11:16 am

Its not really. He has reffed the majority of Irelands most contentious matches making inconsistent and sometimes bizarre decisions in the process.

At the very least he is either sub consciously biased against Ireland or biased towards Wales when they play Ireland.

His yellow card and penalty against Ferris in the a six nations game to give Halfpenny and last minute penalty to win the game was one example of this. The citing commission ruled after the game it shouldn't have even been a penalty.

Ireland's penalty count and loss ratio very significantly spikes in games he refs. I don't trust him at all.

by marty2086 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 11:17 am

Rugby Players' Association chairman Christian Day has criticised changes to rules over high tackles.

The new laws, which mean players making contact with the head in "reckless tackles" receive at least a yellow card, came into effect on 3 January.

The rules also mean penalties are given, even when contact is accidental.

"You've seen the issues we've had - players being sent off, games being changed as a result of clumsiness," Northampton lock Day, 33, said.

"These laws are coming in for our own welfare, our own safety, and as a player you've got to look at that with an open point of view and think someone's doing this to try to make the game as safe as possible.

"But to make such massive changes mid-season - with very little explanation, education and everything that should come with it - isn't a good idea."

In a statement Phil Winstanley, rugby director at Premiership Rugby, praised the changes as a "step forward" for the sport, while World Rugby has said the rules "ensure the head is a no-go area" for players.

Premiership Rugby also said the changes will be supported by a "global education programme".

"I don't think you're going to see players ducking into a tackle, looking to get a high tackle, I don't think that's possible to be honest," Day told BBC Radio Northampton's Saints Show.

"But certainly you're introducing this ideology to the players, that if you get hit towards the head you might just stay down an extra five seconds and make sure the ref has a think about that."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/38519739

by marty2086 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 11:18 am

GunsGermsV2 wrote:Its not really. He has reffed the majority of Irelands most contentious matches making inconsistent and sometimes bizarre decisions in the process.

At the very least he is either sub consciously biased against Ireland or biased towards Wales when they play Ireland.

His yellow card and penalty against Ferris in the a six nations game to give Halfpenny and last minute penalty to win the game was one example of this. The citing commission rules after the game it shouldn't have even been a penalty.

Ireland's penalty count and loss ratio very significantly spikes in games he refs. I dont trust him at all.

Maybe he's secretly Irish, since the same happens in the Pro 12 when Irish refs are in charge against non Irish teams

by **rodders** Fri 06 Jan 2017, 11:19 am

Nothing sub conscious about it, he's a crook, matched only by Gatland, Thatcher, Ben Youngs and Cromwell in his hatred of the emerald Isle.

by Cyril Fri 06 Jan 2017, 11:22 am

Looking forward to the Wales/Ireland game now!

I know that Ireland want to be like NZ but I didn't realise that they meant in the way they whinge about refs. You're getting there lads...

by GunsGermsV2 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 11:25 am

Cyril wrote:

Looking forward to the Wales/Ireland game now!

I know that Ireland want to be like NZ but I didn't realise that they meant in the way they whinge about refs. You're getting there lads...

Just Wayne Barnes. He is dreadful. Worst ref there is.

by Cyril Fri 06 Jan 2017, 11:27 am

GunsGermsV2 wrote:
Cyril wrote:

Looking forward to the Wales/Ireland game now!

I know that Ireland want to be like NZ but I didn't realise that they meant in the way they whinge about refs. You're getting there lads...

Just Wayne Barnes. He is dreadful. Worst ref there is.

Or the best, depending on your viewpoint.

by **rodders** Fri 06 Jan 2017, 11:31 am

Cyril wrote:
GunsGermsV2 wrote:
Cyril wrote:

Looking forward to the Wales/Ireland game now!

I know that Ireland want to be like NZ but I didn't realise that they meant in the way they whinge about refs. You're getting there lads...

Just Wayne Barnes. He is dreadful. Worst ref there is.
Or the best, depending on your viewpoint.

Or the color of your jersey ... Run

by Cyril Fri 06 Jan 2017, 11:32 am

rodders wrote:
Cyril wrote:
GunsGermsV2 wrote:
Cyril wrote:

Looking forward to the Wales/Ireland game now!

I know that Ireland want to be like NZ but I didn't realise that they meant in the way they whinge about refs. You're getting there lads...

Just Wayne Barnes. He is dreadful. Worst ref there is.
Or the best, depending on your viewpoint.

Or the color of your jersey ...

Indeed

Why would he hate Ireland anyway? Has he been reading the tripe posted on 606v2? Run

by **rodders** Fri 06 Jan 2017, 11:33 am

Cyril wrote:
rodders wrote:
Cyril wrote:
GunsGermsV2 wrote:
Cyril wrote:

Looking forward to the Wales/Ireland game now!

I know that Ireland want to be like NZ but I didn't realise that they meant in the way they whinge about refs. You're getting there lads...

Just Wayne Barnes. He is dreadful. Worst ref there is.
Or the best, depending on your viewpoint.

Or the color of your jersey ...
Indeed

Why would he hate Ireland anyway? Has he been reading the tripe posted on 606v2?

I hope he's reading this - Barnes you're a crook!

by marty2086 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 11:36 am

rodders wrote:
Cyril wrote:
rodders wrote:
Cyril wrote:
GunsGermsV2 wrote:
Cyril wrote:

Looking forward to the Wales/Ireland game now!

I know that Ireland want to be like NZ but I didn't realise that they meant in the way they whinge about refs. You're getting there lads...

Just Wayne Barnes. He is dreadful. Worst ref there is.
Or the best, depending on your viewpoint.

Or the color of your jersey ...
Indeed

Why would he hate Ireland anyway? Has he been reading the tripe posted on 606v2?

I hope he's reading this - Barnes you're a crook!

Sure doesn't matter if you say it or not he'll just say you did just ask Dylan Hartley Whistle

by GunsGermsV2 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 11:38 am

Ha Rodders.

by Cyril Fri 06 Jan 2017, 11:39 am

rodders wrote:
Cyril wrote:
rodders wrote:
Cyril wrote:
GunsGermsV2 wrote:
Cyril wrote:

Looking forward to the Wales/Ireland game now!

I know that Ireland want to be like NZ but I didn't realise that they meant in the way they whinge about refs. You're getting there lads...

Just Wayne Barnes. He is dreadful. Worst ref there is.
Or the best, depending on your viewpoint.

Or the color of your jersey ...
Indeed

Why would he hate Ireland anyway? Has he been reading the tripe posted on 606v2?

I hope he's reading this - Barnes you're a crook!

Actually you might have a point.

Barnes decided to send off Hartley for swearing at him which then led to Hartley being banned, not going on the Lions and Best being selected as 'best loser'. Best then goes on tour and is absolutely appalling (worst Lions performance since Earls' debut?). I think Barnes was trying to ruin Best's career with Hartley as the fall guy.

Makes sense.

by GunsGermsV2 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 11:41 am

Cyril you would do a better job as ref than Barnes. You would be less biased. You both love to be the centre of attention too.

by No 7&1/2 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 11:42 am

Best ref in the world at the moment.

by GunsGermsV2 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 11:45 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:Best ref in the world at the moment.

Hahahahhaha. I think Gardner the Aussie ref is the best. I also like Reynal or the French ones in general. They make mistakes but arent particularly biased unlike Barnes.

You are lucky as an England fan that you dont have to endure bottom of the barrel Barnes in any 6N games.

by marty2086 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 11:48 am

GunsGermsV2 wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Best ref in the world at the moment.

Hahahahhaha. I think Gardner the Aussie ref is the best. I also like Reynal or the French ones in general. They make mistakes but arent particularly biased unlike Barnes.

Agree with Gardner, seen him a handful of times and has been good every time

Reynal is annoying for me, he often positions himself poorly and gets in the way of play and to his own detriment on one occasion

by No 7&1/2 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 11:57 am

Wish we could have Barnes. Quality ref with great communication. The problem comes with all refs when fans get a bee in their bonnet and can't accept that their team is sometimes or often not as good as the opposition. Best example is to read the comments in every single Leicester game thread.

by eirebilly Fri 06 Jan 2017, 12:00 pm

I may be the only Irishman that actually likes Barnes as a ref. I do feel he can be pedantic at times but if you adjust to him (like good teams do to any ref) then he is very fair I feel.

by GunsGermsV2 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 12:04 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Wish we could have Barnes. Quality ref with great communication. The problem comes with all refs when fans get a bee in their bonnet and can't accept that their team is sometimes or often not as good as the opposition. Best example is to read the comments in every single Leicester game thread.

Sometimes or not often I can accept. 3 wins in 13 games when Barnes refs and above average penalty counts I cant accept especially when some of the decisions as pointed out earlier are blatantly wrong and decide games.

by marty2086 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 12:04 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Wish we could have Barnes. Quality ref with great communication. The problem comes with all refs when fans get a bee in their bonnet and can't accept that their team is sometimes or often not as good as the opposition. Best example is to read the comments in every single Leicester game thread.

Barnes has gotten better but I think you've described Barnes a bit there, hes stubborn and when he gets an idea about a team in a game he gives penalties repeatedly

At the scrum its often guesswork from him

The Irish problem with him goes back a few years when he was all over Ireland at the breakdown sometimes correctly but sometimes not but let Wales away with everything he was penalising Ireland for then he handed Wales the game

by **rodders** Fri 06 Jan 2017, 12:05 pm

eirebilly wrote:I may be the only Irishman that actually likes Barnes as a ref.

Nah Shaun Edwards likes him too.

by eirebilly Fri 06 Jan 2017, 12:09 pm

Like all referees, he has his off days but he is generally good in my opinion. I certainly do not think he is biased against Ireland. In the past, he has warned Ireland many times and yet Ireland failed to adjust to him and continued doing the same things and Barnes simply penalises them.

He generally keeps the game moving.

by GunsGermsV2 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 12:10 pm

marty2086 wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Wish we could have Barnes. Quality ref with great communication. The problem comes with all refs when fans get a bee in their bonnet and can't accept that their team is sometimes or often not as good as the opposition. Best example is to read the comments in every single Leicester game thread.

Barnes has gotten better but I think you've described Barnes a bit there, hes stubborn and when he gets an idea about a team in a game he gives penalties repeatedly

At the scrum its often guesswork from him

The Irish problem with him goes back a few years when he was all over Ireland at the breakdown sometimes correctly but sometimes not but let Wales away with everything he was penalising Ireland for then he handed Wales the game

Exactly, there was no consistancy in that game. Wales racked up 12 points from early penalties while Barnes refused to penalise them for the same things.

The problem goes back a lot further than that to when he sent off Heaslip against NZ in 2010. Granted it possibly should have been a red (inconclusive on video but have to assume Barnes was close enough to see head contact) but it came about because he simply refused to penalise McCaw for lying on the ball when Ireland were camped on the NZ line.

The biggest problem with that though was that you can be guaranteed that NZ wouldn't have been given a red for doing the same thing. Secondly Barnes had literally been banned from reffing New Zealand for a couple of years prior to that game and was desperate to make amends for his RWC 07 shocker. Hartley was probably right, the guy is a cheat.

by marty2086 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 12:11 pm

They cant its against the law to give NZ a red

by No 7&1/2 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 12:44 pm

You're on about the game where he penalised Wales just as much a few years ago marty. The one after half time where Wales infringed avout 4 times a row Ireland with the advantage 3 times then the Welsh player was carded yes?

by marty2086 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 12:48 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:You're on about the game where he penalised Wales just as much a few years ago marty. The one after half time where Wales infringed avout 4 times a row Ireland with the advantage 3 times then the Welsh player was carded yes?

It wasn't the number of penalties being given it was the number not given, for me its just typical of Barnes he acts with certainty when often hes guessing whats going on in that game Wales came out on the right side more times than Ireland

by No 7&1/2 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 12:55 pm

He was very good in that game. Poor and continued sour grapes for me.

by No 7&1/2 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 12:57 pm

Still think a lot of it , perceived problems with refs, is down to commentators not really understanding the laws properly and then miainforming viewers as well.

by Cyril Fri 06 Jan 2017, 1:06 pm

I'll ask again, why would Barnes be biased against Ireland?

by GunsGermsV2 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 1:15 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:He was very good in that game. Poor and continued sour grapes for me.

He is consistently dire. Likes to dictate the course of a game. Basically whoever he wants to win he steers them home as much as possible.

by GunsGermsV2 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 1:16 pm

Cyril wrote:I'll ask again, why would Barnes be biased against Ireland?

Possibly because he grew up in Wales and tends to ref Ireland v Wales games? Think he has reffed about 5 or 6 Ireland v Wales games.

If I spent a large part of my life in another country Id say Id have a soft spot for them too.

by Cyril Fri 06 Jan 2017, 1:22 pm

GunsGermsV2 wrote:
Cyril wrote:I'll ask again, why would Barnes be biased against Ireland?

Possibly because he grew up in Wales and tends to ref Ireland v Wales games? Think he has reffed about 5 or 6 Ireland v Wales games.

If I spent a large part of my life in another country Id say Id have a soft spot for them too.

So, he's pro-Wales rather than anti-Irish then?

Except he's not. We've had this silly conversation before.

by No 7&1/2 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 1:22 pm

Just re reading the actual article anyway! Day says he doesn't think you ll see players ducking into tackles. ..really? I think we've started to see this already. It will though surely force players to.go for the legs and thus open up more offloads which is perhaps part of their idea.

by GunsGermsV2 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 1:24 pm

Cyril wrote:
GunsGermsV2 wrote:
Cyril wrote:I'll ask again, why would Barnes be biased against Ireland?

Possibly because he grew up in Wales and tends to ref Ireland v Wales games? Think he has reffed about 5 or 6 Ireland v Wales games.

If I spent a large part of my life in another country Id say Id have a soft spot for them too.
So, he's pro-Wales rather than anti-Irish then?

Except he's not. We've had this silly conversation before.

Only Wayne Barnes knows the real reasons he hates Ireland.

by No 7&1/2 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 1:24 pm

No you're just wrong on this one guns. That Wales match where you say he ignored Wales transgressions for similar offences go back and watch the first 6 min if the 2nd half. Count the transgressions he pings them for ie advantages given not just pens. The yellow card given. Then come back and try and be honest on it.

by Cyril Fri 06 Jan 2017, 1:25 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Just re reading the actual article anyway! Day says he doesn't think you ll see players ducking into tackles. ..really? I think we've started to see this already. It will though surely force players to.go for the legs and thus open up more offloads which is perhaps part of their idea.

I guess Money Bill will be back on the scene then.

by **rodders** Fri 06 Jan 2017, 1:26 pm

eirebilly wrote:Like all referees, he has his off days but he is generally good in my opinion. I certainly do not think he is biased against Ireland. In the past, he has warned Ireland many times and yet Ireland failed to adjust to him and continued doing the same things and Barnes simply penalises them.

He generally keeps the game moving.

Oh I get it, Barnes might be reading...good idea billy... we love you Wayne, we're sorry about the times you need a police escort out of Dublin, you're the best! guinness

by GunsGermsV2 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 1:30 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:No you're just wrong on this one guns. That Wales match where you say he ignored Wales transgressions for similar offences go back and watch the first 6 min if the 2nd half. Count the transgressions he pings them for ie advantages given not just pens. The yellow card given. Then come back and try and be honest on it.

I have already watched the game a few times. I have watched nearly all Ireland games he has reffed. There is definitely something dodgy going on.

Mind you, my job is to review transactions and trends and look for suspicious financial patterns so maybe I am naturally inquisitive.

However, the stats when Barnes refs Ireland are way out of kilter with the trends for other refs. Another one we have a bad enough record with is Owens however, that is mainly down to the fact that he gets a lot of Ireland v NZ games.

by No 7&1/2 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 1:35 pm

You get a lot vs Australia with Barnes. You said earlier in the wales Ireland game there was a disparity with pens given. Advantages aren't included in those stats hence re watch the 2nd half. I'm sure you know the game so do this for banter. Anyway to high tackles rather than the same old rubbish.

by GunsGermsV2 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 1:40 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:You get a lot vs Australia with Barnes. You said earlier in the wales Ireland game there was a disparity with pens given. Advantages aren't included in those stats hence re watch the 2nd half. I'm sure you know the game so do this for banter. Anyway to high tackles rather than the same old rubbish.

I'm in work so cant watch videos. I cant think of one game v Australia that Barnes has reffed. Probably why we have quite a good record v Australia.

by munkian Fri 06 Jan 2017, 1:42 pm

Barnes penalises irish players for 'contesting' for the ball whilst leaning on their elbows and Ireland loses its collective mind.

by **rodders** Fri 06 Jan 2017, 1:44 pm

munkian wrote:Barnes penalises irish players for 'contesting' for the ball whilst leaning on their elbows and Ireland loses its collective mind.

Well he doesn't seem to mind Welsh ones doing it whilst resting on their knees or stomach so maybe the Irish need to change their tactics at the breakdown....

by GunsGermsV2 Fri 06 Jan 2017, 1:45 pm

Haha Rodders.

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