New Tackle Laws

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http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/new-laws-to-clamp-down-on-high-tackles-could-prove-revolutionary-in-rugby-1.2924256

A lot of people concerned about the new tackle laws. My biggest concern is that it gives referees too much power to decide on intent.

I fear that his will just be another excuse for Wayne Barnes to penalise Ireland unfairly and potentially issue us more yellow cards when we play Wales. I don't trust him to apply the rules consistently or fairly.

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Well at least we are not all potatoe and lucky charm eating, guiness warm pi$$ drinking, fighting with your own family pikeys.  
I have them come to my business all the time asking if I have anything they can take away, for nothing, as they are doing me a favour. That's what all Irish people must be like, even the British one's in the north.

That actually does describe little Britain quite accurately.

little Britain ?

Isn't that what everybody calls Ireland ?

"Well at least we are not all potatoe and lucky charm eating, guiness drinking, fighting with your own family pikeys."

I think that's a pretty accurate description of us Irish folk apart from the lucky charms, they are 100% American and are disgusting. Guinness on the other had, well that's ours, all ours

LordDowlais wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Well at least we are not all potatoe and lucky charm eating, guiness warm pi$$ drinking, fighting with your own family pikeys.  
I have them come to my business all the time asking if I have anything they can take away, for nothing, as they are doing me a favour. That's what all Irish people must be like, even the British one's in the north.

That actually does describe little Britain quite accurately.

little Britain ?

Isn't that what everybody calls Ireland ?

No you're confusing that with Little England which is how we refer to Wales

LordDowlais wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Well at least we are not all potatoe and lucky charm eating, guiness warm pi$$ drinking, fighting with your own family pikeys.  
I have them come to my business all the time asking if I have anything they can take away, for nothing, as they are doing me a favour. That's what all Irish people must be like, even the British one's in the north.

That actually does describe little Britain quite accurately.

little Britain ?

Isn't that what everybody calls Ireland ?

That's such a little Britain thing to say.

Pete330v2 wrote:"Well at least we are not all potatoe and lucky charm eating, guiness drinking, fighting with your own family pikeys."

I think that's a pretty accurate description of us Irish folk apart from the lucky charms, they are 100% American and are disgusting. Guinness on the other had, well that's ours, all ours

Even though its owned by a British company

Pete330v2 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Well at least we are not all potatoe and lucky charm eating, guiness warm pi$$ drinking, fighting with your own family pikeys.  
I have them come to my business all the time asking if I have anything they can take away, for nothing, as they are doing me a favour. That's what all Irish people must be like, even the British one's in the north.

That actually does describe little Britain quite accurately.

little Britain ?

Isn't that what everybody calls Ireland ?

No you're confusing that with Little England which is how we refer to Wales

I thought it was England backside? Like it was bending over getting ready for a swift Irish boot

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

Cyril wrote:
Interesting. It seems odd that people would consider English, Scottish, Welsh etc to be of a 'type', especially when we're talking of 10s of millions of people in very culturally diverse areas.

To be fair a lot of people would position themselves as anti-British, meaning mainly anti-English, Wales being England's largely irrelevant little brother and Scotland being an unwilling participant. Something along those lines.

There's something for everyone to chew on in that sentence

Anyway, any of you Irish lads need anything to take away for me ? I know you are doing me a favour, so just pop around and take what ever you can fit on the back of your 1995 flat back pick-up vans.

Oh and whilst your at it, I will take a look at what you have going, you might have a saucepan set, or a jet wash I am interested in.

Cyril wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

Cyril wrote:
Interesting. It seems odd that people would consider English, Scottish, Welsh etc to be of a 'type', especially when we're talking of 10s of millions of people in very culturally diverse areas.

To be fair a lot of people would position themselves as anti-British, meaning mainly anti-English, Wales being England's largely irrelevant little brother and Scotland being an unwilling participant. Something along those lines.

There's something for everyone to chew on in that sentence

Maximum impact is the aim.

marty2086 wrote:

Pete330v2 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Well at least we are not all potatoe and lucky charm eating, guiness warm pi$$ drinking, fighting with your own family pikeys.  
I have them come to my business all the time asking if I have anything they can take away, for nothing, as they are doing me a favour. That's what all Irish people must be like, even the British one's in the north.

That actually does describe little Britain quite accurately.

little Britain ?

Isn't that what everybody calls Ireland ?

No you're confusing that with Little England which is how we refer to Wales

I thought it was England backside? Like it was bending over getting ready for a swift Irish boot

What or you marty ? British ? Irish ? Brirish ?

marty2086 wrote:

Pete330v2 wrote:"Well at least we are not all potatoe and lucky charm eating, guiness drinking, fighting with your own family pikeys."

I think that's a pretty accurate description of us Irish folk apart from the lucky charms, they are 100% American and are disgusting. Guinness on the other had, well that's ours, all ours

Even though its owned by a British company

They don't own my Guinness Marty, they can feck off from my Guinness

Pete330v2 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

Pete330v2 wrote:"Well at least we are not all potatoe and lucky charm eating, guiness drinking, fighting with your own family pikeys."

I think that's a pretty accurate description of us Irish folk apart from the lucky charms, they are 100% American and are disgusting. Guinness on the other had, well that's ours, all ours

Even though its owned by a British company

They don't own my Guinness Marty, they can feck off from my Guinness

It might be owned by a British company, but Guiness is as Irish as potatoes, lucky charms, leprechauns, pots of gold at the end of rainbows, four leaf clovers, and pissed punch-ups with your Ma an Da.

Pete330v2 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

Pete330v2 wrote:"Well at least we are not all potatoe and lucky charm eating, guiness drinking, fighting with your own family pikeys."

I think that's a pretty accurate description of us Irish folk apart from the lucky charms, they are 100% American and are disgusting. Guinness on the other had, well that's ours, all ours

Even though its owned by a British company

They don't own my Guinness Marty, they can feck off from my Guinness

Theyre welcome to mine, think Id rather drink straight from the Liffey

Guinness doesn't use water from the Liffey...

Scottrf wrote:Guinness doesn't use water from the Liffey...

Not anymore anyway.

Pete330v2 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Well at least we are not all potatoe and lucky charm eating, guiness warm pi$$ drinking, fighting with your own family pikeys.  
I have them come to my business all the time asking if I have anything they can take away, for nothing, as they are doing me a favour. That's what all Irish people must be like, even the British one's in the north.

That actually does describe little Britain quite accurately.

little Britain ?

Isn't that what everybody calls Ireland ?

No you're confusing that with Little England which is how we refer to Wales

The Lord doesn't speak Irish does he?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/7758961.stm

"When the world's best known web search engine found a translation of "Wales" for its map site, it failed to realise it was in the wrong language.
So Google Maps labelled Wales "An Bhreatain Bheag", the Irish for Wales, which translates as "Little Britain".

The Irish consul-general to Wales, Gearoid McNamara, said he was a "little surprised" to see Irish on the map.
Google, whose European headquarters are in Dublin, the Irish Republic's capital, said: "Oops, our mistake".
The Irish translation appears all along the Welsh side of the border, from just beyond the Severn bridge into north Wales.

A Google spokesperson said: "We work very hard to make Google Maps as accurate and helpful as possible for our users, whether searching for business listings or exploring their local area.
"We're constantly working to improve the quality and accuracy of the information available in Google Maps and appreciate our users' feedback in helping us do so."

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

Scottrf wrote:Guinness doesn't use water from the Liffey...

Not anymore anyway.

After the 700,000th person died from cholera and the plague after a glass of the black stuff, that practice really had to stop.

SecretFly wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

Scottrf wrote:Guinness doesn't use water from the Liffey...

Not anymore anyway.

After the 700,000th person died from cholera and the plague after a glass of the black stuff, that practice really had to stop.

If it was just the potatoes that were affected, at the end of the day, you will pay the price if you're a fussy eater.

SecretFly wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

Scottrf wrote:Guinness doesn't use water from the Liffey...

Not anymore anyway.

After the 700,000th person died from cholera and the plague after a glass of the black stuff, that practice really had to stop.

And what stock they had left using it was shipped to England

marty2086 wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

Scottrf wrote:Guinness doesn't use water from the Liffey...

Not anymore anyway.

After the 700,000th person died from cholera and the plague after a glass of the black stuff, that practice really had to stop.

And what stock they had left using it was shipped to England

Americans drink it, your cousins  How is Trump doing for you guys?

Trump is Scottish ain't he...on his human side?

SecretFly wrote:Trump is Scottish ain't he...on his human side?

Hes human?

Well his mother was...................... at least the Russian's are saying she was.

Think he is German. His name was Drumpf before it was changed generations before.

On the tackle law issue, Wayne Barnes was on BT's "Rugby Tonight" and had some interesting points to make. I heard them on the show's podcast but, if you are in the UK, I think you can see video too.

On the Geoff Parling incident, Barnes noted that he'd never seen anything like that before in all his years as a professional referee. Consequently, it would have been a testing case for a referee under the old interpretations, not just the new ones.

He defended the match official's actual decision as a pragmatic solution when he was put on the spot, but did think that two cards a more accurate outcome.

Barnes emphasized that the referees are primarily looking to crack down on players intentionally, or unintentionally, aiming too high. He thinks officials will not spend time on instinctive reactions, where only minor contact is made.

Rugby Fan wrote:On the tackle law issue, Wayne Barnes was on BT's "Rugby Tonight" and had some interesting points to make. I heard them on the show's podcast but, if you are in the UK, I think you can see video too.

On the Geoff Parling incident, Barnes noted that he'd never seen anything like that before in all his years as a professional referee. Consequently, it would have been a testing case for a referee under the old interpretations, not just the new ones.

He defended the match official's actual decision as a pragmatic solution when he was put on the spot, but did think that two cards a more accurate outcome.

Barnes emphasized that the referees are primarily looking to crack down on players intentionally, or unintentionally, aiming too high. He thinks officials will not spend time on instinctive reactions, where only minor contact is made.

I watched Barnes on that but the problem is his interpretation of the incidents didn't match the new directives that the IRB have sent out, rather the existing ones.

The second issue was there were 2 identical incidents, one he viewed as red, the other yellow.

So in conclusion it was a load of drivel.

Did he say anything about how the rules would apply to Ireland?

Which part didn't March rodders? They have already made a slightly contradictory decision on Barrington for me.

I don't think saying "it will apply exactly the same to Ireland, but the fans will whinge a lot more" would have gone down well.

GunsGermsV2 wrote:Did he say anything about how the rules would apply to Ireland?

Yeah he said if Ireland were in the lead then any tackles by Ireland above the belly button in the second half would be a red card and penalty try to Wales.

Reckon Ireland would win a Rugby Whingers Cup

ebop wrote:Reckon Ireland would win a Rugby Whingers Cup

Thats ironic in a debate around Wayne Barnes. You do know that he got a mountain of death threats from New Zealand fans and Graham Henry pretty much called him a cheat in his autobiography. Barnes was effectively banned from reffing New Zealand. New Zealand would blow Ireland out of the water in a whingers world cup.

As usual one rule applies to Kiwis and another to everyone else.

ebop wrote:Reckon Ireland would win a Rugby Whingers Cup

They're certainly front-runners at the moment.

I wonder whether we'll get through a 6 Nations game without them moaning about refereeing decisions and the whole unfairness of life.

I'm sure Irish fans never used to be this whingy

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

ebop wrote:Reckon Ireland would win a Rugby Whingers Cup

Thats ironic in a debate around Wayne Barnes. You do know that he got a mountain of death threats from New Zealand fans and Graham Henry pretty much called him a cheat in his autobiography.

As usual one rule applies to Kiwis and another to everyone else.

You guys are way beyond Kiwi levels of whinging! It's about half of the posting on the forum these days.

Cyril wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

ebop wrote:Reckon Ireland would win a Rugby Whingers Cup

Thats ironic in a debate around Wayne Barnes. You do know that he got a mountain of death threats from New Zealand fans and Graham Henry pretty much called him a cheat in his autobiography.

As usual one rule applies to Kiwis and another to everyone else.

You guys are way beyond Kiwi levels of whinging! It's about half of the posting on the forum these days.

Its a forum Cyril, its not real life. Haha

ebop wrote:Reckon Ireland would win a Rugby Whingers Cup

Depends if Nigel Owens or Wayne Barnes was reffing I suppose.....

But don't be letting the secret out on Hibernophile Nige. There's lots of work going on behind the scenes to have Nigel ref the World Cup final in Dublin in 2023. He'll be around 51 then and will need a golfcar to keep up with the game but it's still worth the effort to make sure we win that final against Kenya.

rodders wrote:

Rugby Fan wrote:On the tackle law issue, Wayne Barnes was on BT's "Rugby Tonight" and had some interesting points to make. I heard them on the show's podcast but, if you are in the UK, I think you can see video too.

On the Geoff Parling incident, Barnes noted that he'd never seen anything like that before in all his years as a professional referee. Consequently, it would have been a testing case for a referee under the old interpretations, not just the new ones.

He defended the match official's actual decision as a pragmatic solution when he was put on the spot, but did think that two cards a more accurate outcome.

Barnes emphasized that the referees are primarily looking to crack down on players intentionally, or unintentionally, aiming too high. He thinks officials will not spend time on instinctive reactions, where only minor contact is made.

I watched Barnes on that but the problem is his interpretation of the incidents didn't match the new directives that the IRB have sent out, rather the existing ones.

The second issue was there were 2 identical incidents, one he viewed as red, the other yellow.

So in conclusion it was a load of drivel.  

He made it clear that the laws of the game have not changed. If something was not a penalty before it is not now. It is the sanctions that have changed.

He indicated what sanctions he would have given for a series of incidents. I have to say I agreed with them all.

He dismissed some of the sillier speculation about it being impossible to defend against an attacker who attacks the line with their head down.

Barnes as usual talked a lot of sense. His refereeing does not always match up.

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

Cyril wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

ebop wrote:Reckon Ireland would win a Rugby Whingers Cup

Thats ironic in a debate around Wayne Barnes. You do know that he got a mountain of death threats from New Zealand fans and Graham Henry pretty much called him a cheat in his autobiography.

As usual one rule applies to Kiwis and another to everyone else.

You guys are way beyond Kiwi levels of whinging! It's about half of the posting on the forum these days.

Its a forum Cyril, its not real life. Haha

Check your media and fellow posters. It's all good though

It's all good if you like whinging and sour grapes Cyril

ebop wrote:It's all good if you like whinging and sour grapes Cyril

I think we'll just have to get used to it ebop. I don't think the Irish media helps though

Cyril wrote:
Check your media and fellow posters. It's all good though

Ironically the whinging about the Irish media trumps any "whinging" aka criticism that they have actually printed etc. Some people aren't wired to process criticism.

Fobbing it off as whinging is quite a rudimentary real school yard rules mentality.

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

Cyril wrote:
Check your media and fellow posters. It's all good though

Ironically the whinging about the Irish media trumps any "whinging" aka criticism that they have actually printed etc. Some people aren't wired to process criticism.

Fobbing it off as whinging is quite a rudimentary real school yard rules mentality.

Are you whinging again? The Irish media whimpers like a beaten dog if things don't go their way (ie when they don't win). The used to think Antipodean news outlets were the worst but, fair play, the Irish rags are setting the pace.

Cyril wrote:

GunsGermsV2 wrote:

Cyril wrote:
Check your media and fellow posters. It's all good though

Ironically the whinging about the Irish media trumps any "whinging" aka criticism that they have actually printed etc. Some people aren't wired to process criticism.

Fobbing it off as whinging is quite a rudimentary real school yard rules mentality.

Are you whinging again? The Irish media whimpers like a beaten dog if things don't go their way.

Ironically you are whinging yourself. Did you notice that?

I doubt you have read much rugby articles in decent Irish papers or blogs like the Irish Times, demented mole, the 42 etc. if you think that.

We definitely live in a post truth age where silly almost satirical but definitely intentionally provocative articles written by people like Neil Francis define a whole country in the minds of fairly narrow thinkers like yourself Cyril.

The thing is writers like Francis tend to appeal the most to people that think that way.

Here's one for auklandlaurie! 'An endemic of yellow cards blights NZ national 7's':