6N 2017: Wales v England, 11 February

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WALES v ENGLAND 
11 February 2017
KO:16:50 GMT
Principality Stadium, Cardiff

Live on [ITV, RTE, SC4, FR2, DMAX / BBC (H)]

Referee: Jerome Garces (France)
Touch judges: Pascal Gauzere (France) & Nick Briant (New Zealand)
TMO: Glenn Newman (New Zealand)

A. Head to Head

129 Played 129
57 Won 60
12 Drawn 12
60 Lost 57
1,673 Points 1,518

B. Recent Form 

29 May 2016: Twickenham, London
27 – 13 to England
2016 mid-year rugby union internationals

12 March 2016: Twickenham, London
25 – 21 to England
2016 Six Nations Championship

26 September 2015: Twickenham, London
25 – 28 to Wales
2015 Rugby World Cup Pool A

26 September 2015: Twickenham, London 
25 – 28 to Wales 
2015 Rugby World Cup Pool A 

6 February 2015: Millennium Stadium, Cardiff 
16 – 21 to England 
2015 Six Nations 

9 March 2014: Twickenham Stadium, London 
29 – 18 to England 
2014 Six Nations 

16 March 2013: Millennium Stadium, Cardiff 
30 – 3 to Wales 
2013 Six Nations 

25 February 2012: Twickenham Stadium, London 
12 – 19 to Wales 
2012 Six Nations

13 August 2011: Millennium Stadium, Cardiff 
19 – 9 to Wales 
2011 Rugby World Cup warm up test 

6 August 2011: Twickenham, London 
23 – 19 to England 
2011 Rugby World Cup warm up test 

C. Teams

WALES

15-Leigh Halfpenny, 14-George North, 13-Jonathan Davies, 12-Scott Williams, 11-Liam Williams, 10-Dan Biggar, 9-Rhys Webb; 1-Rob Evans, 2-Ken Owens, 3-Tomas Francis, 4-Jake Ball, 5-Alun Wyn Jones, 6-Sam Warburton, 7-Justin Tipuric; 8-Ross Moriarty.

Replacements: 16-Scott Baldwin, 17-Nicky Smith, 18-Samson Lee, 19-Cory Hill, 20-Taulupe Faletau, 21-Gareth Davies, 22-Sam Davies, 23-Jamie Roberts.

ENGLAND

15-Mike Brown, 14-Jack Nowell, 13-Jonathan Joseph, 12-Owen Farrell, 11-Elliot Daly, 10-George Ford, 9-Ben Youngs; 1-Joe Marler, 2-Dylan Hartley (captain), 3-Dan Cole, 4-Joe Launchbury, 5-Courtney Lawes, 6-Maro Itoje, 7-Jack Clifford, 8-Nathan Hughes.

Replacements: 16-Jamie George, 17-Matt Mullan, 18-Kyle Sinckler, 19-Tom Wood, 20-James Haskell, 21-Danny Care, 22-Ben Te'o, 23-Jonny May.

I think it could go either way - I think anyone expecting an easy win needs their bumps felt ...

You can see from the score predictions on the game. There is no consistency - they are all over the place.

Yeah, This really can go in any direction. It makes for a hell of a tournament.

If the England back row can mostly play the Wales back row even, then think England have a good chance. Looking forward to it.

Got that good old 6 nations nervous feeling in the pit of my stomach. Feel like I'm going for an interview!

Sadly, the women's game is something of a mismatch. England leading 38 - 0 at half time.

Weirdly quiet on here all week. It's normally as febrile as the stadium itself by this point....

rumpelstiltskindoh wrote:Sadly, the women's game is something of a mismatch. England leading 38 - 0 at half time.

I always think that if Wales U20s and the women have won then the chances of the men making it a 3 win accumulator are quite slim. So for me we've got more chance now with the other two losing. Misguided logic perhaps!

Poorfour wrote:

Of course, I imagine there are some boisterous idiots in Cardiff already who are basing their prediction on the long winning run rather than any examination of the facts, but every team has them, Wales as much as England.

There are boisterous idiots in both camps P4...! Little anyone can do about that mate....!

Poorfour wrote:Weirdly quiet on here all week. It's normally as febrile as the stadium itself by this point....

Agree, Rather odd. Usually by now there are more people involved and at least a few people have their blood up and have moderator interventions. In a strange way I look forward to the red print telling people to keep their undies from getting too tight.

rumpelstiltskindoh wrote:Sadly, the women's game is something of a mismatch. England leading 38 - 0 at half time.

Tried listening to the radio commentary for 5 mins but they were much more interested in talking to Non Evans than the actual rugby

What is happening with the Wales team, BBC doesn't seem to want to tell us if Biggar and North are fit.

I reckon at least one of them won't make it onto the pitch.

Women was 63-0 for England...

Defence. Namely Welsh defence, thats what i expect to make or break the game today.

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:What is happening with the Wales team, BBC doesn't seem to want to tell us if Biggar and North are fit.

Both are named on the official team sheet, which is somewhat positive.

Still think England by 9 or so, but I'd love us to really have a go at them.

Probably not the weekend to stop smoking mind

doctor_grey wrote:

Poorfour wrote:Weirdly quiet on here all week. It's normally as febrile as the stadium itself by this point....

Agree,  Rather odd.  Usually by now there are more people involved and at least a few people have their blood up and have moderator interventions.  In a strange way I look forward to the red print telling people to keep their undies from getting too tight.  

I dont think anyone really wants ro spend much time thinking about Rugby's answer to Donald Trump. Jones is fast becoming a gob Poopie.

lostinwales wrote:Women was 63-0 for England...

Yeh would never have though that to be honest. Thought England would win. But never thought Wales would remain scorless.

Well played the England women.

Brian Moore just tweeted : "North out - likely replacement Cuthbert."

mid_gen wrote:Brian Moore just tweeted : "North out - likely replacement Cuthbert."

Confirmed on the Beeb as well.

majesticimperialman wrote:

lostinwales wrote:Women was 63-0 for England...

Yeh would never have though that to be honest. Thought England would win. But never thought Wales would remain scorless.

Well played the England women.

Amateurs vs professionals to be fair. I watched the game and the gulf in class wasn't anything like the scoreline suggests. Wales created and competed but didn't have that extra 10% to finish anything.

Cuffbert? Ah well, Congratulations England on winning.

Come on Cuthbert. If he doesn't try too hard (like he has been), he might be ok.

mid_gen wrote:

majesticimperialman wrote:

lostinwales wrote:Women was 63-0 for England...

Yeh would never have though that to be honest. Thought England would win. But never thought Wales would remain scorless.

Well played the England women.

Amateurs vs professionals to be fair. I watched the game and the gulf in class wasn't anything like the scoreline suggests. Wales created and competed but didn't have that extra 10% to finish anything.

Still one Welsh pro and she's not even in the Squad currently?

As an Englishman I don't get the negativity for Cuthbert. He usually performs well against us. North has been ineffectual for years, not worried about containing him at all.

Brian Moore is a legend.

Come on Wales, send that gobshite back over the border, with the same result, he had when his team last played at this ground. (Australia 2005).

Thing is though, if Cuthbert does have a bad game we have nothing to replace him with either now. Our 23rd man is such a negative selection.

This nonsense of not blooding players is going to hurt us. The World Cup is the pinnacle, not this. I envy England a bit, that they have the guts to pick Clifford etc if they have to and not revert to type.

Love the Welsh anthem.

Munchkin wrote:Love the Welsh anthem.

It would be nice if we had one that was half decent. I do think helps to pump the players up.

Wales look very dangerous at the breakdown. Could be a big advantage for them.

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

Munchkin wrote:Love the Welsh anthem.

It would be nice if we had one that was half decent. I do think helps to pump the players up.

True. Ours aren't very good. It would be great to create a new one that we can all agree on, and that raises the spirits. Won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen

England didn't look right last game and they've started this the same way (accepting Wales are fired up and in Englands face)

Farrell missed a GLARING overlap out on the left

Much better start by us. Looking in control so far and making yards at ease through the Welsh defence. Welsh forced into conceding a lot of pens.

Yes....

Courtney Lawes has done a huge amount of work already ball in hand...both carrying and in particular mopping up.

Outstanding try. NIce 'concealment' by Daly at the end but nothing wrong as far as I know

Get in !

Carrying throughout the pack which is helping. Wales look scared of Hughes and he's giving other players space with his threat. Keep it up boys!

Place kicking could be better mind ...

What on EARTH is going on with our kicking!!!???

Itoje packing down in the second row and Lawes at 6???!!!

Top Class by Nowell there.

Officials need to watch the offside line when those high kicks go up - 2 or 3 Welsh players were in front of that kick ...

Well this is a cracking game so far.

What a great scrum!!!!!

That decision to go for the scrum was bizarre. Why? Against England?

rumpelstiltskindoh wrote:Well this is a cracking game so far.

Completely! All England to start but Wales coming back strong............huge scrum!!!

Just as well as they shouldn't have been in that position anyway - should have been a pen for England way back from the up & under right in front of the posts ...

Hands over Moriarty's face there...

And now ironically England get pinged for the same offence ...