The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

by Adam D Tue 07 Jun 2011, 2:44 pm

First topic message reminder :

Cari wrote:Welcome to the virtual rugby pub - a place where you can come in for a sly beverage and discuss whatever's on your mind, or just eavesdrop on the regulars if you fancy a break from all the rugby chat.

The only rule in this pub is one of mutual respect for everyone in it, oh and no defacing the Tommy Bowe photo on the bar. That's a banning offence

So pull up a chair....what'll it be?

by nottins Wed 08 Jun 2011, 1:02 pm

Cari wrote:Kiwi - Those kind of beer goggles get people into all sorts of trouble...

The old, "I've never gone to bed with an ugly person" statement ?

by Guest Wed 08 Jun 2011, 1:02 pm

Afternoon all, busy day in here it seems!

Hughie and Pete - hope the rest of your mornings have been uneventful.

With regards to the Munsty's point about people from say Turkey and the middle east having a bit of a rep over here when it comes to women I can fully understand. When I go on a girls night out we go to clubs like Tiger Tiger etc (which I really don't like but hey once every few months I can deal with), and quite a few of these men (not ALL) don't know how to take no for an ansewr and just pester you until you have to call a bouncer over to deal with them. It's not fun, I absolutely hate it and I don't understand why they do it. What my friends and I are wearing isn't an excuse, we don't wear sl utty outfits like have been mentioned on here. Cultural differences does seem to be a problem though.

And The Nesbitt is the new name then? Think I could get used to that.

by PenfroPete Wed 08 Jun 2011, 1:07 pm

Nesbitt ? No thanks Sad

Pro12 or just 'The League' will do for me

Got to admit my music

'Stand up for the Magners League' music

is going to need a serious re-write Shocked

by MBTGOG Wed 08 Jun 2011, 1:08 pm

I agree that in law it should not be an extenuating circumstance but in real life, it's a reason and girls/women need to be careful and know what they are inviting upon themselves.

You're looking at what SHOULD happen. I'm looking at what IS happening.

by MeanAsCustard Wed 08 Jun 2011, 1:11 pm

I try my best not to dress too sl utty when I go out. It's not a good look for a man in his early 40s...

by MBTGOG Wed 08 Jun 2011, 1:12 pm

I'd also like to point out I was in Manchester for my cousins birthday and my Turkish friend came with me.

Some young fella lifted up my cousins skirt and I went over to him immediately to push him away.

The girls forgot about it all pretty quickly. As my Turkish friend said though that if a middle-eastern person had done that to her, all those girls would have remembered it well.

by red_stag Wed 08 Jun 2011, 1:13 pm

MBTGOG wrote:You're looking at what SHOULD happen. I'm looking at what IS happening.

No I'm looking at whats happening and sayign that I don't think it justifies it at all.

by MBTGOG Wed 08 Jun 2011, 1:18 pm

Did I say it justifies it? No. I said it was a reason and girls do have to think about what they're wearing and also how much they drink.

by Glas a du Wed 08 Jun 2011, 1:31 pm

"she asked for it" is no longer (if it ever was) a defence, or even mitigation. Nobody is criticising these girls from a point of view of their morals, rather for their lack of common sense. Munsty is right, certain behaviour increases the chance of attack, that is not a criticism of her or an excuse for him. Most allegations of Cuddle arise between two people who know each other and when both are peed. Personally I would make 'taking advantage' a criminal offence. You sleep with a peed girl and she won't have to prove Cuddle only that her ability to consent to any sexual act was in doubt. Juries won't be asked either to brand young men as rapists. That is one of the reasons why the conviction rate for Cuddle is so low.

by red_stag Wed 08 Jun 2011, 1:33 pm

MBTGOG wrote:Did I say it justifies it? No. I said it was a reason and girls do have to think about what they're wearing and also how much they drink.

You said they can have no complaints about it if it happens.

by The_Hound_of_Harrow Wed 08 Jun 2011, 1:38 pm

Lunchtime is nearly over at this conference I'm attending today. Will be desperately trying to stay awake this afternoon.

by Mickado Wed 08 Jun 2011, 1:38 pm

What bright spark decided that “cuddle” was an appropriate replacement for… the word it replaces…

by nottins Wed 08 Jun 2011, 1:44 pm

Mick, that question was asked further up the thread and Hobo replied.

by Glas a du Wed 08 Jun 2011, 1:46 pm

Sweating like a cuddle-ist isn't as controversial is it?

by Cari Wed 08 Jun 2011, 1:47 pm

You could say sweating like a peedo (if I spell it properly the swear filter kicks in) in a creche Glas. Just for controversy like.

by **Notch** Wed 08 Jun 2011, 1:49 pm

And it means you can't use the word cuddle in a normal context.

i.e "My friend is feeling a bit down so the next time i see her I'm going to cuddle her."

Shocked

Whole new meaning there.

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Wed 08 Jun 2011, 1:51 pm

Notch wrote:And it means you can't use the word cuddle in a normal context.

i.e "My friend is feeling a bit down so the next time i see her I'm going to cuddle her."

Whole new meaning there.

Ouch. Or you could just use Hug

. Or have I "tainted" that too now?

by Cari Wed 08 Jun 2011, 1:53 pm

Kiwi - no, that smiley looks funny/amusing, almost cute.

Interesting if I mention that I was cuddled by Tommy Bowe at an airport...

by KiaRose Wed 08 Jun 2011, 1:56 pm

Glas a du wrote:"she asked for it" is no longer (if it ever was) a defence, or even mitigation. Nobody is criticising these girls from a point of view of their morals, rather for their lack of common sense. Munsty is right, certain behaviour increases the chance of attack, that is not a criticism of her or an excuse for him. Most allegations of Cuddle arise between two people who know each other and when both are peed. Personally I would make 'taking advantage' a criminal offence. You sleep with a peed girl and she won't have to prove Cuddle only that her ability to consent to any sexual act was in doubt. Juries won't be asked either to brand young men as rapists. That is one of the reasons why the conviction rate for Cuddle is so low.

This whole area is a nightmare. I haven't read back but do I presume Glas is using a euphemism because the real term is not permitted?

Research has shown that when the female of the species gets drunk their inhibitions are lowered by a considerable degree. There needs to be a huge education project to tell girls this. Through girl guides I am, in my own small way, trying to do this - we are having an alcohol awareness session at our next training day for leaders in this area. Girls need to learn self-respect. It seems to me that a lot of younger women have no sense of this. I was not surprised, but was appallled, walking around Cardiff after the HC Final at the way some young women were attired (or nearly not as the case might be). Do they not realise that they do not look in the least bit attractive!

Stag mentioned "cultural" defence. Having studied law, he will know that a law is not a law if those whom it affects do not consent to it. There has been an unwritten law in almost every society for centuries that women are guardians of the society's moral code. This is how the victim being blamed for sexual assaults in many instances has arisen - "she was asking for it". Part of the feminist battle was to rid Western society of that presumption by making men take responsibility for their actions.

Unfortunately, having passed the buck to men, many women decided that they too could behave as men traditionally had (I am talking about laddish behaviour here). This made it difficult for everyone to understand boundaries as they had been removed. I have a great deal of sympathy for young men today who are given "come on" signals only to find themselves accused of a serious criminal offence. She may not have been capable of giving consent, but there is also the case that he may not have been able to read / understand the negative signals once they were given.

I am firmly in the "No means No" camp, but we need to make sure that everyone - male and female - understand how to say it and how to hear it.

by MeanAsCustard Wed 08 Jun 2011, 1:56 pm

What about cuddling a dog? Shocked

by **Notch** Wed 08 Jun 2011, 1:57 pm

Wait till the papers get hold of that one, Cari censored

by Cari Wed 08 Jun 2011, 1:59 pm

Notch wrote:Wait till the papers get hold of that one, Cari

And someone took a photo of it! Very Happy

by Adam D Wed 08 Jun 2011, 1:59 pm

Has anyone thought about Keith Harris? He wont be able to talk about Cuddles the Monkey ever again on here!

by KiaRose Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:00 pm

Notch wrote:Wait till the papers get hold of that one, Cari

I think I hear a superinjunction winging its way here

by Mickado Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:00 pm

nottins wrote:Mick, that question was asked further up the thread and Hobo replied.

Just spotted that. Fair enough.

by **Notch** Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:00 pm

He did WHAT to the monkey!?

by Cari Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:01 pm

Hobo wrote:Has anyone thought about Keith Harris? He wont be able to talk about Cuddles the Monkey ever again on here!

Roger De Courcey managed with Nookie The Bear for years!

by MeanAsCustard Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:03 pm

Does this site have a superinjunction filter? Let's try it... ahem... what about all those stories about Man United winger [Jimmy Saville], eh?

by Cari Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:04 pm

Custie - we filtered that ourselves by talking about Brian Jiggs. See, no one knew who it was.

by MeanAsCustard Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:06 pm

Cari wrote:Custie - we filtered that ourselves by talking about Brian Jiggs. See, no one knew who it was.

What about the BBC broadcaster and former Political Editor [Dougal from the Magic roundabout] then?

by **Notch** Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:06 pm

What about Ronnie Biggs?

by Cari Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:08 pm

Custie - Jimmy Carr?

Notch - everyone knows he was The Great Brain Robber

Actually speaking of superinjunctions and how pointless they are, another name was blabbed over the weekend by an Irish newspaper. Who was it? Oh you can't say...

by Luckless Pedestrian Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:10 pm

You mean Johnny Marr, Custard! Wink

by Luckless Pedestrian Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:14 pm

Has anyone else seen this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13684482

I sincerely hope that the government doesn't use the results of this poll to form policy. What one thousand people think about a subject can't possibly be taken to represent the views of the whole country.

by MeanAsCustard Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:23 pm

luckless_pedestrian wrote:You mean Johnny Marr, Custard!

That's the fella [Ant & Dec], who was caught [skiing in Austria] with [the Goat's Cheese Salad to start, followed by the Lamb Shanks - easy on the gravy. Anyone want wine?]

Yup - the superinjunction filter seems to be in working order!

by Adam D Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:24 pm

Johnny Marr Custard sounds delicious.

Bernard Sumner pudding with Johnny Marr Custard is a great combo!

by Mickado Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:28 pm

Johnny Marr custard would be technically fantastic, but the coiffured gimp swinging flowers around his head in the ad would drive me insane.

music

Custard for your trifle, I know, I know, it’s seeeeeerious….. music

by Mickado Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:31 pm

With Johnny Marr custard, every lick is a classic lick…

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:34 pm

luckless_pedestrian wrote:Has anyone else seen this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13684482

I sincerely hope that the government doesn't use the results of this poll to form policy. What one thousand people think about a subject can't possibly be taken to represent the views of the whole country.

In New Zealand bovine TB is spread by possums (no badgers there). Culling the *****s really isn't that controversial - there's an estimated 90 million infesting the country. Weirdly, in Australia where they're native, they're endangered. They also have a bad habit of out-competing native birds for food, so a "good possum" in NZ is a dead one. Ditto rabbits, stoats and ferrets.

by MeanAsCustard Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:37 pm

Mickado wrote:With Johnny Marr custard, every lick is a classic lick…

Does anyone else feel a little ill?

by Cari Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:38 pm

Don't even go there...

music

Oh Wiiilleeeeeeeuuuuum, Wiiiiillllleeeeeuuum it was really nothing... music

by Adam D Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:38 pm

Not ill - just hungry.

by Mickado Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:41 pm

MeanAsCustard wrote:
Mickado wrote:With Johnny Marr custard, every lick is a classic lick…

Does anyone else feel a little ill?

Kinda just want to listen to “this charming man” to be honest…

by MBTGOG Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:45 pm

Still trying to find the bit where I said the girls could have no complaints.

Kia,

Top post.

by **Notch** Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:47 pm

Major joint announcement to be made tomorrow by the ERC and IRFU.

It's expected to be that Dublin will be hosting the Heineken Cup final in 2013.

by red_stag Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:48 pm

MBTGOG wrote:Still trying to find the bit where I said the girls could have no complaints.

Kia,

Top post.

You didn't. Apologies and I'm out of conversation with tail between legs

by robbo277 Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:49 pm

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/video/sun-exclusive/3624149/Greatest-drunk-walk-ever.html

Looks like he had a great night. He probably felt as bad when he woke up as I do now!

by **rodders** Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:49 pm

Notch wrote:Major joint announcement to be made tomorrow by the ERC and IRFU.

It's expected to be that Dublin will be hosting the Heineken Cup final in 2013.

Great. Too late for Leinster and Munster IMO but just about right for this Ulster side Wink

SUFTUM!

by Mickado Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:52 pm

Notch wrote:Major joint announcement to be made tomorrow by the ERC and IRFU.

It's expected to be that Dublin will be hosting the Heineken Cup final in 2013.

An Thomond for the ACC final too probably. I’ll be buying tickets for that one the weekend they come out, no way I’m missing a HC final in my town!

by Cari Wed 08 Jun 2011, 2:52 pm

Notch wrote:Major joint announcement to be made tomorrow by the ERC and IRFU.

It's expected to be that Dublin will be hosting the Heineken Cup final in 2013.

Seriously! That would be awesome! That means they automatically host the Amlin too isn't it?

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