UK General Election 2017 Thread

[Muscular-mouse]

First topic message reminder :

Ok guys what are your predictions, how will you be voting and who do you want to win.

[GSC]

The Labour manifesto has given the Liberals a real problem in this election...The public have two completely different visions for the Country....A stark choice between May and Corbyn.....Hard to see how other parties get a look in now..

Unless they go radical.......

Labour still weak on Brexit, that's the opening they can chase. Farron badly needs a Clegg leaders debate moment though, he remains utterly irrelevant.

[TRUSSMAN66]

The Labour manifesto has given the Liberals a real problem in this election...The public have two completely different visions for the Country....A stark choice between May and Corbyn.....Hard to see how other parties get a look in now..

Unless they go radical.......

Labour still weak on Brexit, that's the opening they can chase. Farron badly needs a Clegg leaders debate moment though, he remains utterly irrelevant.

Farron isn't going to be PM so May has won the Brexit argument...We'd all prefer May over Corbyn at a negotiating table.

Corbyn has stolen the tuition fee policy and has offered 17 billion to the NHS and wage increases....

Not an election for minor parties this one....You have Reckless idealism vs Pragmatism....

[Derbymanc]

You all seem to have gone completely off the deep end. Noone's stated people can't have kids, nor has anyone stated there should be NO help for low income parents. What has been said is that there should be a cap on the 2 kids mark. This would then free up more money (no matter how small you think) which imo should then be put back into the system to help those low income families even more.

The argument is kids shouldn't suffer because of adult stupidity..

Don't know about this cannot have kids you are going on about.

Unfortunately as i'm sure we're both aware, at the moment it doesn't work like that. Kids growing up in these homes are not having a decent upbringing and are causing issues themselves (whilst I agree this is a minority) this is not something that should be ignored as ultimately the kids and the communities suffer as a result of this adult stupidity that has brought them into a world that the adults themselves cannot deal with. Therefore a deterrant is needed imo to make people think before having children (on top of that i'd make it a clause that papers when reporting on 'benefits millionaires' have to point out it's a proper minority.

Speaking of which does anyone (Truss?) know if the trend for this is rising, falling etc)

[Crimey]

You all seem to have gone completely off the deep end. Noone's stated people can't have kids, nor has anyone stated there should be NO help for low income parents. What has been said is that there should be a cap on the 2 kids mark. This would then free up more money (no matter how small you think) which imo should then be put back into the system to help those low income families even more.

The argument is kids shouldn't suffer because of adult stupidity..

Don't know about this cannot have kids you are going on about.

Unfortunately as i'm sure we're both aware, at the moment it doesn't work like that. Kids growing up in these homes are not having a decent upbringing and are causing issues themselves (whilst I agree this is a minority) this is not something that should be ignored as ultimately the kids and the communities suffer as a result of this adult stupidity that has brought them into a world that the adults themselves cannot deal with. Therefore a deterrant is needed imo to make people think before having children (on top of that i'd make it a clause that papers when reporting on 'benefits millionaires' have to point out it's a proper minority.

Speaking of which does anyone (Truss?) know if the trend for this is rising, falling etc)

But as you admit, the supposed problem is the kids that are growing up in homes without a decent upbringing WITH the help available. Do you think these people are actually going to think before they have children? They can't afford them already and even with help struggle, that isn't a deterrent so I don't think making the consequences even worse for those kids is going to stop those parents. The only people who are going to suffer are the kids in this case, then they will grow up to make the same mistakes. I don't know what the solution is, but I'm sure that punishing children for their parent's mistakes is the solution.

[superflyweight]

Some of you are coming at this from the point of view that everyone is always able to make a prior choice about whether or not they can afford kids.  Which is stupid!

What happens to hard working single mother/father of three left behind to look after the kids after divorce or separation and where the loss of the joint income means that she/he no longer have enough money to clothe and feed their children?  

What happens to the single parent whose spouse was the main breadwinner but has died?

[CaledonianCraig]

What relevance does that have to anything Craig?

Being r.a.p.e.d is not in a woman's control, becomes pregnant has third child and has to undergo the third degree to claim credits thanks to the latest sick Tory law.

Oh, get off the hobby horse. It's not a sick anything.

No thanks. And please remove your tongue from the Tory backside. I will say again ALL the political parties barring the Tories recognize the abhorrentness of this clause. Fine you see it as nothing wrong well all I can say is I hope you never know anyone that has been r.a.p.e.d as then you may be able to comprehend the horrors of it.

Nice. You know nothing about my voting profile. At. All. There you go again with your black/white cr@p. All the parties bar the Tories are jumping on the anti-Tory bandwagon. They don't 'recognise' anything.
You're a berk. At least they had a clause in there for cases such as that, but you go and hammer them anyway. The trouble with you and your ilk, is that all you can do is carp from opposition. Tell me how, if there's an introduction of a cap on numbers eligible for child benefits, how you stop the shysters? Go on, how? Maybe up there in Brigadoon, you just allow everyone to claim benefits for all their children and rU.K. gets to pay for it? Go take a hike.

If you are fully supportive of a system that is ordering r*** victims to recount their ordeals in order to get a payment then that says it all really. That is not the way the system worked before and was never even thought of before. I wonder why? Because it is abhorrent. Another system? Pay on a pyramid system where you get payments for each child but passed three the amount given decreases. We have the rich living lives of opulence so tax them more to pay for it. Far less abhorrent (well not to super-rich Tories) than the current system.

[navyblueshorts]

The Labour manifesto has given the Liberals a real problem in this election...The public have two completely different visions for the Country....A stark choice between May and Corbyn.....Hard to see how other parties get a look in now..

Unless they go radical.......

Labour still weak on Brexit, that's the opening they can chase. Farron badly needs a Clegg leaders debate moment though, he remains utterly irrelevant.

Farron isn't going to be PM so May has won the Brexit argument...We'd all prefer May over Corbyn at a negotiating table.

Corbyn has stolen the tuition fee policy and has offered 17 billion to the NHS and wage increases....

Not an election for minor parties this one....You have Reckless idealism vs Pragmatism....

Would we? I have no idea what Corbyn would actually turn out like in that circumstance. Repeat after me: "Strong, and stable, leadership"......

[navyblueshorts]

Some of you are coming at this from the point of view that everyone is always able to make a prior choice about whether or not they can afford kids.  Which is stupid!

What happens to hard working single mother/father of three left behind to look after the kids after divorce or separation and where the loss of the joint income means that she/he no longer have enough money to clothe and feed their children?  

What happens to the single parent whose spouse was the main breadwinner but has died?

Good points. Not simply a scenario with black/white solutions is it?

[TRUSSMAN66]

Excellent points Super...However..Think the conversation is more about going ahead and having kids you can't afford...and the consequences..

I agree there are more grey areas here than a pensioners picnic.

[navyblueshorts]

What relevance does that have to anything Craig?

Being r.a.p.e.d is not in a woman's control, becomes pregnant has third child and has to undergo the third degree to claim credits thanks to the latest sick Tory law.

Oh, get off the hobby horse. It's not a sick anything.

No thanks. And please remove your tongue from the Tory backside. I will say again ALL the political parties barring the Tories recognize the abhorrentness of this clause. Fine you see it as nothing wrong well all I can say is I hope you never know anyone that has been r.a.p.e.d as then you may be able to comprehend the horrors of it.

Nice. You know nothing about my voting profile. At. All. There you go again with your black/white cr@p. All the parties bar the Tories are jumping on the anti-Tory bandwagon. They don't 'recognise' anything.
You're a berk. At least they had a clause in there for cases such as that, but you go and hammer them anyway. The trouble with you and your ilk, is that all you can do is carp from opposition. Tell me how, if there's an introduction of a cap on numbers eligible for child benefits, how you stop the shysters? Go on, how? Maybe up there in Brigadoon, you just allow everyone to claim benefits for all their children and rU.K. gets to pay for it? Go take a hike.

If you are fully supportive of a system that is ordering r*** victims to recount their ordeals in order to get a payment then that says it all really. That is not the way the system worked before and was never even thought of before. I wonder why? Because it is abhorrent. Another system? Pay on a pyramid system where you get payments for each child but passed three the amount given decreases. We have the rich living lives of opulence so tax them more to pay for it. Far less abhorrent (well not to super-rich Tories) than the current system.

It's not 'abhorrent' - get over yourself. At least it's generated discussion over the issue, which is what should happen. All fine and dandy your pyramid system, I could be persuaded but devil in the detail and all that. You know, I don't really mind any of this as long as it's costed and the costs put out there.
As for simply taxing the rich, you live in the real world right? Talk about a simplistic, nonsensical 'policy'. Your "We have the rich living lives of opulence so tax them more to pay for it." does indeed 'say it all' Comrade.

[TRUSSMAN66]

Corbyn has 8 days to convince impressionable kids and non voters things can change before voter registration ends..

Sanders managed to...Corbyn is a less impressive figure albeit.

Come on make it interesting..

[Hammersmith harrier]

If you are fully supportive of a system that is ordering r*** victims to recount their ordeals in order to get a payment then that says it all really. That is not the way the system worked before and was never even thought of before. I wonder why? Because it is abhorrent. Another system? Pay on a pyramid system where you get payments for each child but passed three the amount given decreases. We have the rich living lives of opulence so tax them more to pay for it. Far less abhorrent (well not to super-rich Tories) than the current system.

You're a bit simple aren't you Craig?

You look at things the way you want to and seem unable to think rationally beyond SNP is good, Tories are bad. R.a.p.e victims should be supported in any way they require and I do not think that others should be receiving equal help unless you think they should be treated equally which I would find bizarre.

The rich do live lives beyond what the rest of us can imagine but your suggestion is too simplistic and doesn't take anything into account other than your usual super-rich Tories jibe, you tax the rich and you're taxing the poor even more. The majority of the rich have worked hard and deserve everything they have so I'm not particularly for making them pay more tax than they already do. Ask yourself who the recession hit hardest?

[CaledonianCraig]

The rich feed off the poor.  How do you think Richard Branson got where he is today? It was through Joe Blogger using his services such as shopping in his stores and paying for TV services. Likewise with the other rich businessmen and such-like they are parasites as well if you want to portray the poor as such. Everyone feeds off of everyone.

[CaledonianCraig]

And sorry but you think too simplistic as well if you think the rich have really earnt their wealth. How many have actually worked to get where they are? Many were born into opulence. And then we witness MP'S giving themselves ridiculous pay rises whilst just recently cap nurses Payrise to 1%. Is that in anyway representative of the jobs each nurse does compared to Mp's? I certainly don't think so.

[TRUSSMAN66]

The rich feed off the poor.  How do you think Richard Branson got where he is today? It was through Joe Blogger using his services such as shopping in his stores and paying for TV services. Likewise with the other rich businessmen and such-like they are parasites as well if you want to portray the poor as such. Everyone feeds off of everyone.

He started off by creating Virgin and ended up expanding and creating thousands of jobs.........and thank goodness for people like that....

It is possible to applaud entrepreneurship and fight for better conditions and opportunities for the less well off...

Like with your SNP arguments you have tunnel vision....It is all Black and white with you.

[navyblueshorts]

And sorry but you think too simplistic as well if you think the rich have really earnt their wealth. How many have actually worked to get where they are? Many were born into opulence. And then we witness MP'S giving themselves ridiculous pay rises whilst just recently cap nurses Payrise to 1%. Is that in anyway representative of the jobs each nurse does compared to Mp's? I certainly don't think so.

At last. We get the evidence we all knew was in there somewhere. Prejudices shining through nicely; thanks Comrade. Will look at your posts through this unbiased prism from hereon in.

MPs do not give themselves pay rises. How old are you?? They appointed an independent body to recommend on their pay and now you moan about that body recommending pay increases? As for them not being worth it, I understand your motivations, but they're running a Country FFS. You try it...

[navyblueshorts]

The rich feed off the poor.  How do you think Richard Branson got where he is today? It was through Joe Blogger using his services such as shopping in his stores and paying for TV services. Likewise with the other rich businessmen and such-like they are parasites as well if you want to portray the poor as such. Everyone feeds off of everyone.

Oh bollox. Just like your hyperventilating 'abhorrence' verbiage, the same applies to your 'rich feeding off the poor'. Breathe!!!!!

Your example of Branson is one of the worst you could pick too. Those who purchase stuff from Branson are free not to you know....

[CaledonianCraig]

Sorry but if you don't see failings when MP'S are voting to pass wage increases for themselves then capping underpaid and overworked nurses Payrise- which was the decision of the government. Let's remember the corruption within Westminster. We all heard about the cash for questions scandals and their expenses they claim for thousands of pounds for food bills. Sorry I cannot stand by (like some on here) and defend that kind of behaviour and blatant corruption.

[CaledonianCraig]

The rich feed off the poor.  How do you think Richard Branson got where he is today? It was through Joe Blogger using his services such as shopping in his stores and paying for TV services. Likewise with the other rich businessmen and such-like they are parasites as well if you want to portray the poor as such. Everyone feeds off of everyone.

Oh bollox. Just like your hyperventilating 'abhorrence' verbiage, the same applies to your 'rich feeding off the poor'. Breathe!!!!!

Your example of Branson is one of the worst you could pick too. Those who purchase stuff from Branson are free not to you know....

Where did his millions come from? Harry Potter never waved a wand and it ended in his lap. The everyday man in the street filled his coffers over the years. Without shoppers he'dibe nowhere now. The entrepreneurialism came later once foundations had been laid by the millions people had spent in Virgin stores. That is Richard living off the poor to get him started is it not? Without their loyalty and spending he may have ended up a down and out on the streets.

[TRUSSMAN66]

Sorry but if you don't see failings when MP'S are voting to pass wage increases for themselves then capping underpaid and overworked nurses Payrise- which was the decision of the government. Let's remember the corruption within Westminster. We all heard about the cash for questions scandals and their expenses they claim for thousands of pounds for food bills. Sorry I cannot stand by (like some on here) and defend that kind of behaviour and blatant corruption.

If we don't buy your arguments we defend corruption or are stupid..

You sound like Gwlad on the Trump thread........The system isn't fair kid but I only live once.....

[Ent]

Craig do you know what an entrepreneur is? Are you getting confused with a philanthropist?

Your beloved SNP have the power to increase the salaries of nurses in Scotland but they don't- sadly it costs too much.

You are embarrassing yourself.

[ShahenshahG]

The Labour manifesto has given the Liberals a real problem in this election...The public have two completely different visions for the Country....A stark choice between May and Corbyn.....Hard to see how other parties get a look in now..

Unless they go radical.......

Labour still weak on Brexit, that's the opening they can chase. Farron badly needs a Clegg leaders debate moment though, he remains utterly irrelevant.

Farron isn't going to be PM so May has won the Brexit argument...We'd all prefer May over Corbyn at a negotiating table.

Corbyn has stolen the tuition fee policy and has offered 17 billion to the NHS and wage increases....

Not an election for minor parties this one....You have Reckless idealism vs Pragmatism....

Would we? I have no idea what Corbyn would actually turn out like in that circumstance. Repeat after me: "Strong, and stable, leadership"......

Truth is May isn't going to have a say in it. She thinks she's going to sit around with the other leaders and hash it out. That's not how these things are done. Even if Corbyn was in charge it would be the same. The negotiators would be given basic guidelines and would hash out the details trying to find loopholes in EU law and trying to sneak in concessions to take advantage of. Unfortunately we're not going into new markets where the opponent doesn't know where the concessions are and what the value of certain concessions are to get adequate recompense. We're going to be working backwards from everyone knowing where we are strong and extracting a high price for concessions in those areas.

Corbyn might be an asset, his quiet plodding and generally relaxed nature giving the negotiations a chance without the hysterics. But the rest of his manifesto and his amateur team are bad news for the future. I'm hoping the Tories get relected but only to the point where they can be outvoted with others parties joining forces where necessary. Unfortunately it's likely to be an absolute killing.

[CaledonianCraig]

Sorry but if you don't see failings when MP'S are voting to pass wage increases for themselves then capping underpaid and overworked nurses Payrise- which was the decision of the government. Let's remember the corruption within Westminster. We all heard about the cash for questions scandals and their expenses they claim for thousands of pounds for food bills. Sorry I cannot stand by (like some on here) and defend that kind of behaviour and blatant corruption.

If we don't buy your arguments we defend corruption or are stupid..

You sound like Gwlad on the Trump thread........The system isn't fair kid but I only live once.....

Forgive me but If something bugs me then I speak out about it. Nothing wrong with that. Evidently people here seem to have no real problem with tax credit ra.pe clause, no problem with cash for questions scandal and no problem with MP'S putting in expenses charges found to be basically taking the p**s. I will continue to speak my mind on those issues.

[TRUSSMAN66]

Sorry but if you don't see failings when MP'S are voting to pass wage increases for themselves then capping underpaid and overworked nurses Payrise- which was the decision of the government. Let's remember the corruption within Westminster. We all heard about the cash for questions scandals and their expenses they claim for thousands of pounds for food bills. Sorry I cannot stand by (like some on here) and defend that kind of behaviour and blatant corruption.

If we don't buy your arguments we defend corruption or are stupid..

You sound like Gwlad on the Trump thread........The system isn't fair kid but I only live once.....

Forgive me but If something bugs me then I speak out about it. Nothing wrong with that. Evidently people here seem to have no real problem with tax credit ra.pe clause, no problem with cash for questions scandal and no problem with MP'S putting in expenses charges found to be basically taking the p**s. I will continue to speak my mind on those issues.

I've got plenty of problems with it.....Just not a lot that I can do about it........So I don't worry about it......

Not having a pop at you but don't be bitter pal.......Gets you nowhere.

[navyblueshorts]

Sorry but if you don't see failings when MP'S are voting to pass wage increases for themselves then capping underpaid and overworked nurses Payrise- which was the decision of the government. Let's remember the corruption within Westminster. We all heard about the cash for questions scandals and their expenses they claim for thousands of pounds for food bills. Sorry I cannot stand by (like some on here) and defend that kind of behaviour and blatant corruption.

Expenses are a separate issue and I agree, they were a disgrace. Nice that you ignore the fact that an independent pay body recommended MPs pay increases and you avoid the point about them running a Country. They're cheap when you think about it. Don't be daft re. nurses etc - approx. 600 MPs getting a few 10s of thousands each is a drop in the ocean cf. hundreds of 1000s of nurses getting a few %. As usual, you think money grows on trees.

[navyblueshorts]

The rich feed off the poor.  How do you think Richard Branson got where he is today? It was through Joe Blogger using his services such as shopping in his stores and paying for TV services. Likewise with the other rich businessmen and such-like they are parasites as well if you want to portray the poor as such. Everyone feeds off of everyone.

Oh bollox. Just like your hyperventilating 'abhorrence' verbiage, the same applies to your 'rich feeding off the poor'. Breathe!!!!!

Your example of Branson is one of the worst you could pick too. Those who purchase stuff from Branson are free not to you know....

Where did his millions come from? Harry Potter never waved a wand and it ended in his lap. The everyday man in the street filled his coffers over the years. Without shoppers he'dibe nowhere now. The entrepreneurialism came later once foundations had been laid by the millions people had spent in Virgin stores. That is Richard living off the poor to get him started is it not? Without their loyalty and spending he may have ended up a down and out on the streets.

Jesus! You really are off with the pixies (and Marxists) aren't you? You have no idea. There's not a lot of rational debate to be had with this viewpoint.

[navyblueshorts]

Craig do you know what an entrepreneur is? Are you getting confused with a philanthropist?

Your beloved SNP have the power to increase the salaries of nurses in Scotland but they don't- sadly it costs too much.

You are embarrassing yourself.

What a surprise he doesn't mention or address that eh? Still, now I know he's an avowed idealistic Communist, I can make better judgements on what he says. Can one still sell by Socialist Worker? Perhaps they need sellers...

[navyblueshorts]

Sorry but if you don't see failings when MP'S are voting to pass wage increases for themselves then capping underpaid and overworked nurses Payrise- which was the decision of the government. Let's remember the corruption within Westminster. We all heard about the cash for questions scandals and their expenses they claim for thousands of pounds for food bills. Sorry I cannot stand by (like some on here) and defend that kind of behaviour and blatant corruption.

If we don't buy your arguments we defend corruption or are stupid..

You sound like Gwlad on the Trump thread........The system isn't fair kid but I only live once.....

Forgive me but If something bugs me then I speak out about it. Nothing wrong with that. Evidently people here seem to have no real problem with tax credit ra.pe clause, no problem with cash for questions scandal and no problem with MP'S putting in expenses charges found to be basically taking the p**s. I will continue to speak my mind on those issues.

No. What we have a problem with is your naive, bone-headed refusal to accept that a) money doesn't grow on trees and simply can't be printed and b) that there's anything different from your black/white interpretation of everything. It's idealistic twaddle.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Craig do you know what an entrepreneur is? Are you getting confused with a philanthropist?

Your beloved SNP have the power to increase the salaries of nurses in Scotland but they don't- sadly it costs too much.

You are embarrassing yourself.

What a surprise he doesn't mention or address that eh? Still, now I know he's an avowed idealistic Communist, I can make better judgements on what he says. Can one still sell by Socialist Worker? Perhaps they need sellers...

He just comes across as very bitter towards anyone who's made something of themselves, everyone wishes they got paid more for doing less but it's not the socialist world we live in and thank god for that. The likes of Branson, Gates and Zuckerberg create thousands of jobs through their wealth and endeavour, they weren't given anything they all had an idea they capitalised on, yes they make their money from the poor but they also make money for the poor.

[TRUSSMAN66]

The rich feed off the poor.  How do you think Richard Branson got where he is today? It was through Joe Blogger using his services such as shopping in his stores and paying for TV services. Likewise with the other rich businessmen and such-like they are parasites as well if you want to portray the poor as such. Everyone feeds off of everyone.

Oh bollox. Just like your hyperventilating 'abhorrence' verbiage, the same applies to your 'rich feeding off the poor'. Breathe!!!!!

Your example of Branson is one of the worst you could pick too. Those who purchase stuff from Branson are free not to you know....

Where did his millions come from? Harry Potter never waved a wand and it ended in his lap. The everyday man in the street filled his coffers over the years. Without shoppers he'dibe nowhere now. The entrepreneurialism came later once foundations had been laid by the millions people had spent in Virgin stores. That is Richard living off the poor to get him started is it not? Without their loyalty and spending he may have ended up a down and out on the streets.

Jesus! You really are off with the pixies (and Marxists) aren't you? You have no idea. There's not a lot of rational debate to be had with this viewpoint.

Why are you having a go at Marxists.......Didn't do Cuba any harm after the awful Batista.....(He was the leader before Castro)..

Cheap and ill informed comment.....

[temporary21]

I'm sorry to butt in. I know you guys like this

It's just from the outside it looks a lot like multiple people ganging up on someone and insulting him for his views. It's a bit ugly

Does it need to be this personal?

[Hammersmith harrier]

That person shouldn't make insinuations against anyone who disagrees with him then.

[temporary21]

You're all very passionate I can see. Much more than I am about politics

I'm just saying it looks really ugly what's going on. Especially with a mod as well

Time to agree to disagree maybe?

[Hammersmith harrier]

It's an online forum and politics is a very divisive issue, I doubt it's bothering anyone on here to be honest.

[TRUSSMAN66]

You're all very passionate I can see. Much more than I am about politics

I'm just saying it looks really ugly what's going on. Especially with a mod as well

Time to agree to disagree maybe?

We have not all been getting personal...........I haven't...But from what I have read it has not all been one way...

[navyblueshorts]

The rich feed off the poor.  How do you think Richard Branson got where he is today? It was through Joe Blogger using his services such as shopping in his stores and paying for TV services. Likewise with the other rich businessmen and such-like they are parasites as well if you want to portray the poor as such. Everyone feeds off of everyone.

Oh bollox. Just like your hyperventilating 'abhorrence' verbiage, the same applies to your 'rich feeding off the poor'. Breathe!!!!!

Your example of Branson is one of the worst you could pick too. Those who purchase stuff from Branson are free not to you know....

Where did his millions come from? Harry Potter never waved a wand and it ended in his lap. The everyday man in the street filled his coffers over the years. Without shoppers he'dibe nowhere now. The entrepreneurialism came later once foundations had been laid by the millions people had spent in Virgin stores. That is Richard living off the poor to get him started is it not? Without their loyalty and spending he may have ended up a down and out on the streets.

Jesus! You really are off with the pixies (and Marxists) aren't you? You have no idea. There's not a lot of rational debate to be had with this viewpoint.

Why are you having a go at Marxists.......Didn't do Cuba any harm after the awful Batista.....(He was the leader before Castro)..

Cheap and ill informed comment.....

Oh FFS. Yeah, the Communist ideal was such a success. Marvellous. Taken the World by storm. Don't start on with this Straw Man nonsense again eh?

[navyblueshorts]

I'm sorry to butt in. I know you guys like this

It's just from the outside it looks a lot like multiple people ganging up on someone and insulting him for his views. It's a bit ugly

Does it need to be this personal?

...but isn't. It's not personal, you'd soon see the difference if it was.

[navyblueshorts]

You're all very passionate I can see. Much more than I am about politics

I'm just saying it looks really ugly what's going on. Especially with a mod as well

Time to agree to disagree maybe?

Certainly possible. It's clear he isn't listening to anything anyone else says, so we may as well.

[GSC]

I hate everyone equally

[temporary21]

I think all 3 of you should read what you said about him again after you've calmed down... it doesn't look great...

[ShahenshahG]

I think all 3 of you should read what you said about him again after you've calmed down... it doesn't look great...

P*ss off you fascist

[GSC]

I think all 3 of you should read what you said about him again after you've calmed down... it doesn't look great...

P*ss off you fascist

Great, now I have to wipe coffee off my screen.

[Hammersmith harrier]

I think all 3 of you should read what you said about him again after you've calmed down... it doesn't look great...

You must be a great laugh.

[Hero]

Temp does have a very valid point.

Attack the posts as much as you see fit, don't though turn it into attacking the poster.

[TRUSSMAN66]

The rich feed off the poor.  How do you think Richard Branson got where he is today? It was through Joe Blogger using his services such as shopping in his stores and paying for TV services. Likewise with the other rich businessmen and such-like they are parasites as well if you want to portray the poor as such. Everyone feeds off of everyone.

Oh bollox. Just like your hyperventilating 'abhorrence' verbiage, the same applies to your 'rich feeding off the poor'. Breathe!!!!!

Your example of Branson is one of the worst you could pick too. Those who purchase stuff from Branson are free not to you know....

Where did his millions come from? Harry Potter never waved a wand and it ended in his lap. The everyday man in the street filled his coffers over the years. Without shoppers he'dibe nowhere now. The entrepreneurialism came later once foundations had been laid by the millions people had spent in Virgin stores. That is Richard living off the poor to get him started is it not? Without their loyalty and spending he may have ended up a down and out on the streets.

Jesus! You really are off with the pixies (and Marxists) aren't you? You have no idea. There's not a lot of rational debate to be had with this viewpoint.

Why are you having a go at Marxists.......Didn't do Cuba any harm after the awful Batista.....(He was the leader before Castro)..

Cheap and ill informed comment.....

Oh FFS. Yeah, the Communist ideal was such a success. Marvellous. Taken the World by storm. Don't start on with this Straw Man nonsense again eh?

You just make statements like on the Trump thread....No substance to you...You aren't informed and get personal when challenged..

You don't even know what marxism is..

[navyblueshorts]

I think all 3 of you should read what you said about him again after you've calmed down... it doesn't look great...

Whatever...

[navyblueshorts]

I think all 3 of you should read what you said about him again after you've calmed down... it doesn't look great...

P*ss off you fascist

[navyblueshorts]

The rich feed off the poor.  How do you think Richard Branson got where he is today? It was through Joe Blogger using his services such as shopping in his stores and paying for TV services. Likewise with the other rich businessmen and such-like they are parasites as well if you want to portray the poor as such. Everyone feeds off of everyone.

Oh bollox. Just like your hyperventilating 'abhorrence' verbiage, the same applies to your 'rich feeding off the poor'. Breathe!!!!!

Your example of Branson is one of the worst you could pick too. Those who purchase stuff from Branson are free not to you know....

Where did his millions come from? Harry Potter never waved a wand and it ended in his lap. The everyday man in the street filled his coffers over the years. Without shoppers he'dibe nowhere now. The entrepreneurialism came later once foundations had been laid by the millions people had spent in Virgin stores. That is Richard living off the poor to get him started is it not? Without their loyalty and spending he may have ended up a down and out on the streets.

Jesus! You really are off with the pixies (and Marxists) aren't you? You have no idea. There's not a lot of rational debate to be had with this viewpoint.

Why are you having a go at Marxists.......Didn't do Cuba any harm after the awful Batista.....(He was the leader before Castro)..

Cheap and ill informed comment.....

Oh FFS. Yeah, the Communist ideal was such a success. Marvellous. Taken the World by storm. Don't start on with this Straw Man nonsense again eh?

You just make statements like on the Trump thread....No substance to you...You aren't informed and get personal when challenged..

You don't even know what marxism is..

Blah, blah, blah, blah, Straw Man, blah, blah....
Wish I was the intellect that you are.

On that note, let's take Hero's post to heart and have a re-set.

[TRUSSMAN66]

You just make statements ...

Let the rest of us debate the facts.....

[TRUSSMAN66]

The rich feed off the poor.  How do you think Richard Branson got where he is today? It was through Joe Blogger using his services such as shopping in his stores and paying for TV services. Likewise with the other rich businessmen and such-like they are parasites as well if you want to portray the poor as such. Everyone feeds off of everyone.

Oh bollox. Just like your hyperventilating 'abhorrence' verbiage, the same applies to your 'rich feeding off the poor'. Breathe!!!!!

Your example of Branson is one of the worst you could pick too. Those who purchase stuff from Branson are free not to you know....

Where did his millions come from? Harry Potter never waved a wand and it ended in his lap. The everyday man in the street filled his coffers over the years. Without shoppers he'dibe nowhere now. The entrepreneurialism came later once foundations had been laid by the millions people had spent in Virgin stores. That is Richard living off the poor to get him started is it not? Without their loyalty and spending he may have ended up a down and out on the streets.

Jesus! You really are off with the pixies (and Marxists) aren't you? You have no idea. There's not a lot of rational debate to be had with this viewpoint.

Why are you having a go at Marxists.......Didn't do Cuba any harm after the awful Batista.....(He was the leader before Castro)..

Cheap and ill informed comment.....

Oh FFS. Yeah, the Communist ideal was such a success. Marvellous. Taken the World by storm. Don't start on with this Straw Man nonsense again eh?

You just make statements like on the Trump thread....No substance to you...You aren't informed and get personal when challenged..

You don't even know what marxism is..

Blah, blah, blah, blah, Straw Man, blah, blah....
Wish I was the intellect that you are.

On that note, let's take Hero's post to heart and have a re-set.

You're a teacher...

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