UK General Election 2017 Thread

[Muscular-mouse]

First topic message reminder :

Ok guys what are your predictions, how will you be voting and who do you want to win.

[TRUSSMAN66]

Can't even U-turn competently..

Optional cap at an unspecified level to be included at a future consultation.....

Policy on the hoof........

[navyblueshorts]

The very definition of "strong and stable"....

[TRUSSMAN66]

Last ITV Wales poll...

Con 41
Labour 35..

Latest poll....

Labour 44
Con 34........

[navyblueshorts]

Last ITV Wales poll...

Con 41
Labour 35..

Latest poll....

Labour 44
Con 34........

Can I just check you got the latter data the right way around? Not a typo?

[TRUSSMAN66]

Last ITV Wales poll...

Con 41
Labour 35..

Latest poll....

Labour 44
Con 34........

Can I just check you got the latter data the right way around? Not a typo?

No mistake....It's a strong and stable post...

[temporary21]

No it's true. Labour have torn ahead in Wales 

Safe to say that the Tories are having what we call a sh@t day

Who would have thought punishing people for the temerity to get old as your key manifesto plank might not be the best idea.

It's not just the social care though. The loss of the triple lock and the winter fuel allowance changes makes it look like they're gunning for the old and sick 

Me thinks their pr man has a sneaky punt on corbyn

[navyblueshorts]

Last ITV Wales poll...

Con 41
Labour 35..

Latest poll....

Labour 44
Con 34........

Can I just check you got the latter data the right way around? Not a typo?

No mistake....It's a strong and stable post...

Very good. Interesting...

[navyblueshorts]

No it's true. Labour have torn ahead in Wales 

Safe to say that the Tories are having what we call a sh@t day

Who would have thought punishing people for the temerity to get old as your key manifesto plank might not be the best idea.

It's not just the social care though. The loss of the triple lock and the winter fuel allowance changes makes it look like they're gunning for the old and sick 

Me thinks their pr man has a sneaky punt on corbyn

Tend to agree with this although I'm not sure that simply having a meltdown when anyone suggests ways to look at the social care timebomb is the way to go. The people who are ranting about a 'dementia tax' have suggested what alternatives?
Personally, I have no idea why the triple lock pension should be a guarantee and as for wealthy pensioners getting the fuel allowance, don't get me started. Guess it comes down to a fair system to means test, and no-one has come up with one or resourced one well enough yet.

[temporary21]

Something must give with social. Whether it's taxing somewhere else to pay for it or otherwise 

However taking the money from ill people's homes should be spun as something you do reluctantly

Definitely shouldn't be bandied about as your front spread for reelection like a badge of honour 

They've just made this semi competitive. Clinton
Email esque

[temporary21]

Add to that may jas made herself into a bit of a flip flop. Despite her strength being her main selling point for brexit

ON THE LAST DAY people can register to vote

Pretty much as bad a day as it could be. A total own goal

[GSC]

Probably should've just rode it out for a few days to be honest. Labour haven't made any of their other own goals stick so a bit of a panic over this one.

[GSC]

But not sure how much difference it'll make in the final reckoning.

[Muscular-mouse]

anything other than a tory landslide at the election will look really bad on May. She called the election to get a landslide as she was way ahead in the polls so anything other than that and well, she will look like a loser even if she wins.

[TRUSSMAN66]

92,000 18-24 yr olds..registered to vote Sunday..

The next highest age bracket registered 6,000.

[GSC]

Never get why people wait so long, takes like a minute

[aucklandlaurie]

Would you guys consider terorrism and as an important issue going into this election?

[GSC]

Heart breaking but not sure what can realistically be done to eradicate it.

[aucklandlaurie]

Heart breaking but not sure what can realistically be done to eradicate it.

 More research and preventative security measures perhaps.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Heart breaking but not sure what can realistically be done to eradicate it.

 More research and preventative security measures perhaps.

Not entirely directed at you but comments like this irritate me immensely, the fault lies entirely with the perpetrator and it seems to imply not enough is being done despite numerous people working round the clock to ensure these are isolated incidents.

[GSC]

The reality is you can't prevent every madman from carrying out their own twisted view of justice on innocents. Probably a testament to the job our intelligence services do that the best these people seem to be able to do these days are small isolated incidents in crowded areas.

[navyblueshorts]

Heart breaking but not sure what can realistically be done to eradicate it.

 More research and preventative security measures perhaps.

Your assumption that there were no preventative security measures is a bit laughable, to be honest. This appears to be one whack job with an IED - one idiot like that is bound to get through from time to time.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Heart breaking but not sure what can realistically be done to eradicate it.

 More research and preventative security measures perhaps.

Your assumption that there were no preventative security measures is a bit laughable, to be honest. This appears to be one whack job with an IED - one idiot like that is bound to get through from time to time.

Thats the second dig being made at the post for implication and assumption of criticism on security services. 

Think people should consider that they are making assumptions themselves with that one. 

I think we can all accept that a lot is done, and a lot is hard to control, but I am sure there would be experts wanting more money and more research etc. Those people will also be asking questions about what they could do to stop incidents in the future, for them every 1% difference is important. 

In a case like this, it will be the emergency services that we look at, and I think this attack will make its way into the debate more on how stretched our emergency services are, more than terrorist prevention. 

I'd imagine today will make the debates on here even more emotive - I do hope everyone respects that people on here want, more than anything, the safety of others. Keep it clean folks, nothing below the belt.

[navyblueshorts]

Heart breaking but not sure what can realistically be done to eradicate it.

 More research and preventative security measures perhaps.

Your assumption that there were no preventative security measures is a bit laughable, to be honest. This appears to be one whack job with an IED - one idiot like that is bound to get through from time to time.

Thats the second dig being made at the post for implication and assumption of criticism on security services. 

Think people should consider that they are making assumptions themselves with that one. 

I think we can all accept that a lot is done, and a lot is hard to control, but I am sure there would be experts wanting more money and more research etc. Those people will also be asking questions about what they could do to stop incidents in the future, for them every 1% difference is important. 

In a case like this, it will be the emergency services that we look at, and I think this attack will make its way into the debate more on how stretched our emergency services are, more than terrorist prevention. 

I'd imagine today will make the debates on here even more emotive - I do hope everyone respects that people on here want, more than anything, the safety of others. Keep it clean folks, nothing below the belt.

You're right re. assumptions, but I'm afraid it's hard to take that post in any other fashion. The way it's phrased is suggestive of the fact that we're all so dense, it's never crossed anyone's mind to research the mindset/ideals of these cretins or to put any/enough security in place. Really?

I take the point re. emotive posts etc.

[lfc91]

TBF he did say more research, indicating he was aware there was research carried out in relation to the issues.

Absolutely terrible news though. Can't really put into words how im feeling right now. So sad.

[ONETWOFOREVER]

Thoughts and prayers go out to family of those victims.

Is it time to section of this community from rest of public?

[GSC]

Which community is that

[ONETWOFOREVER]

Cmon GSC

[GSC]

I'm genuinely curious

[GSC]

Because while we're on the subject of assumptions, it'd be a pretty dangerous thing to assume anything about someone the police haven't even confirmed the identity of yet.

[Scottrf]

Because while we're on the subject of assumptions, it'd be a pretty dangerous thing to assume anything about someone the police haven't even confirmed the identity of yet.

Of course, but I certainly wouldn't take a bet at evens against his assumption.

[GSC]

That's irrelevant and frankly plays entirely into the hands of those he's assuming directed this attack.

[Scottrf]

Disagree and disagree.

[superflyweight]

To be fair to him ONETWO is probably an expert in being sectioned.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Disagree and disagree.

Everyone knows at least one thing about the bomber and it's pandering to the PC brigade to act as if we don't.

[superflyweight]

Disagree and disagree.

Everyone knows at least one thing about the bomber and it's pandering to the PC brigade to act as if we don't.

Yeah, we know that they are an @rsehole and not representative of any group of people other than other @rseholes that carry out these atrocities.

[GSC]

Disagree and disagree.

Everyone knows at least one thing about the bomber and it's pandering to the PC brigade to act as if we don't.

Yeah, we know that they are an @rsehole and not representative of any group of people other than other @rseholes that carry out these atrocities.

Nailed it

[ONETWOFOREVER]

Sounds good no argument but if you wanted to round up all the @rsholes our jails would be full up of people but should we not separate the @rsholes from the deranged suicidal murdering @rsholes?

[temporary21]

Echo that here 
Segregating people in any way creates radicalisation 

In any case. I think what makes me uncomfortable here is that there is a suggestion of turning a tragedy into a political angle.

As with jo cox. That sits badly with me

[Scottrf]

Denying the link is missing the mark and failing to acknowledge the reasons why these attacks are occurring and why we are a target.

Yes they are @rseholes and yes they don't represent mainstream religion but the link is there and it is important.

People I'm sure would acknowledge that Sunni/Shia splits are a leading factor a lot of the conflicts in the Middle East yet seem unwilling to accept that religious and ideological differences are relevant in these cases?

[temporary21]

If it was soo easy to spot a suicide bomber, then it wouldn't be so hard to stop them...

You'd end up segregating people who don't deserve it

[Hammersmith harrier]

Disagree and disagree.

Everyone knows at least one thing about the bomber and it's pandering to the PC brigade to act as if we don't.

Yeah, we know that they are an @rsehole and not representative of any group of people other than other @rseholes that carry out these atrocities.

Very true they are not representative of any religious group but you can rest assured they'll have ties to ISIS. It's not an attack on Islam itself to say that which many seem to think it is.

[ONETWOFOREVER]

I think the only way is to implement a marshal law type of social set up. Everyone regardless will be badged up carrying id at all times. Army on every corner and the movement and gathering of large groups of people irradicated unless supervised under the strictest security.

This is the only way if we do not section off certain communities.

[Scottrf]

I think the only way is to implement a marshal law type of social set up. Everyone regardless will be badged up carrying id at all times. Army on every corner and the movement and gathering of large groups of people irradicated unless supervised under the strictest security.

This is the only way if we do not section off certain communities.

Sounds awful. No thanks.

[temporary21]

Sounds like 1930s Germany 

Not my cup of tea

[GSC]

What time is the curfew

[ONETWOFOREVER]

Ok then maybe we need to work TOGETHER with this community side by side to irradicate the scum and this hateful interpretation of islam forever.

We have to really do something constructive if we dont want to go down the germany 1930s route but remember the german people only excepted hitlers vision after years of economic collapse terror and humiliation then hitler provided someone to blame and the public took the bait before germany was a livly economic strong nation.

[temporary21]

Just so I'm clear 

What race of people do we need to keep an eye on here?

[GSC]

Hipsters

[Hero]

Thoughts and prayers go out to family of those victims.

Is it time to section of this community from rest of public?

How do you propose to do this?
When has sectioning certain people based upon their beliefs/skin colour/etc ever been a good thing?

[aucklandlaurie]

Perhaps the section of certain people should include the approx 3,000 individuals that MI5 are trying to monitor and the  surveillance of communications between Raqqa and the UK.

 Religion/skin colour is only a distraction.

 Im sure though that everyone will learn from this tragic event, to the extent that its the only positive that might be drawn.

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