Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[dynamark]

First topic message reminder :

He came across very poor as did fellow lib Clegg with his constant sniping at the Brexit issue.
Good riddance to both.Libs may well be a non entity now.
Tories have to proceed with caution now and build up some confidence again.

Our fire guy at work is telling us today that they really should have gone for a full evacuation at an early stage but that runs right against all previous policy putting residents and fire staff in potentially greater danger.In Blackadder terms it would have been going 'over the top'

[kwinigolfer]

The R&A seldom seems to have any Open qualifiers, Regional or Final, in Northern Ireland or Wales, just token presence in Scotland & Ireland.
Is the scant Scottish representation just because The Open is at Birkdale, or is that the way the R&A usually rolls?

[super_realist]

They've changed it Kwini. Regional qualifying used to be on local courses. I.e. Downfield, Monifieth, Panmure, Scotscraig, Ladybank, Lundin, Kingsbarns etc when at St.Andrews.

Now it's a UK wide "regional qualifying" with a couple of courses holding the final qualifying (e.g. Western Gailes/Woburn. Was the same last year at Troon too although courses might have been different.

[MontysMerkin]

The R&A seldom seems to have any Open qualifiers, Regional or Final, in Northern Ireland or Wales, just token presence in Scotland & Ireland.
Is the scant Scottish representation just because The Open is at Birkdale, or is that the way the R&A usually rolls?

I think that will all change now. Apparently NI is going to open the largest pitch and putt track in the world, sponsored by those fine upstanding tories...

[kwinigolfer]

They've changed it Kwini. Regional qualifying used to be on local courses. I.e. Downfield, Monifieth, Panmure, Scotscraig, Ladybank, Lundin, Kingsbarns etc when at St.Andrews.

Now it's a UK wide "regional qualifying" with a couple of courses holding the final qualifying (e.g. Western Gailes/Woburn. Was the same last year at Troon too although courses might have been different.

Just thought it was very English-centric, like most things in the "United" Kingdom I suppose.

[super_realist]

Interesting that Sky are looking to address the falling viewership by getting rid of their numbered Sports channels and reinventing them as channels dedicated to particular sports.

Good idea. I'd like to have the golf, but don't want the crud like Football.

[MontysMerkin]

Anyone tried these new Puff Dogs invented in the US? A sausage wrapped in pastry? Sounds delightful!

[super_realist]

a.k.a a sausage roll or in Scotland, a Glasgow Dummy?

[Roller_Coaster]

Interesting that Sky are looking to address the falling viewership by getting rid of their numbered Sports channels and reinventing them as channels dedicated to particular sports.

Good idea. I'd like to have the golf, but don't want the crud like Football.

Any indication that you will be able to buy the specific channels? Or will you have to buy the lot in which case it might be a case of, to paraphrase, a turd by any other name...

[super_realist]

From what I've heard, it's pick and choose, though presumably savings to be made for buying bundles.

[JAS]

That sounds like good news. A chance to subscribe to golf without subsidising the grotesquely over financed Premiership.

[McLaren]

I will probably just go for F1 and Football. Not sure I could justify subscribing to the golf channel as I barely watch any golf at the moment.


Actually, is anyone else finding that the just don't watch golf on TV anymore? I follow it on web based live updates and reports on social media but rarely watch it live.

[super_realist]

Very rarely watch any sport Mac. I just can't be bothered sitting through an entire sporting event.

I'll watch some of the big tournaments live, but dont' give a toss about Moroccan Open or Waste Management Open etc.

What exactly is it you find compelling about F1? It seems to be nothing but engineering and that complete wankshaft Hamilton making a fool of himself.

[raycastleunited]

What's this? Golf talk? Can we get back to politics, obesity and religion

[McLaren]

Don't know how many gamers are on here but is anyone else hoping the postie comes super early with the Crash Bandicoot reboot tomorrow?

[MontysMerkin]

It seems to be nothing but engineering and that complete wankshaft Hamilton making a fool of himself.

I'm starting to see a pattern here. Is it just successful, talented people you don't like or just those with a different skin shade to yourself (ie not light blue)? It's always been about engineering. Even the greatest champions usually had the best car.

[super_realist]

No, only certain people. It's hard to argue that Hamilton isn't a complete plank. Nothing to do with his ethnicity.

As for my skin colour, how do you know what my skin colour is?

[MontysMerkin]

No, only certain people. It's hard to argue that Hamilton isn't a complete plank. Nothing to do with his ethnicity.

As for my skin colour, how do you know what my skin colour is?

I would imagine some shade of thick Kumquat?

[navyblueshorts]

No, only certain people. It's hard to argue that Hamilton isn't a complete plank. Nothing to do with his ethnicity.

As for my skin colour, how do you know what my skin colour is?

I would imagine some shade of thick Kumquat?

Enough already.

[McLaren]

Super

I have always imagined that you would be partial to a bit of fake tan.

[super_realist]

Don't need to Mac, I am quite swarthy.

[dynamark]

I feel I am intruding.
Mac what is a gamer? I always find real life to be much more fun.
Hamilton is Ok fair enough one dimensional from the outside but so are most very successful persons.

[super_realist]

I feel I am intruding.
Mac what is a gamer? I always find real life to be much more fun.
Hamilton is Ok fair enough one dimensional from the outside  but so are most very successful persons.

It's not that he's one dimensional. It's that he's a spoilt brat and a complete diva.
Vettel is more successful than Hamilton, but seems a decent guy and very rarely heard complaining.

Hamilton will ignore his indiscretions and highlight everyone others and then make claims that his team are out to get him because his car has been less reliable. He's a grade a w.anchor.

[Diggers]

I don't like Hamilton, he is a diva, but you're wrong about Vettel, he's a massive whinger and more importantly is a tool on the track on a regular basis.
Think it's the nature of the beast with F1 drivers, you probably need a bit of ego to get to be number 1 in your team and a lot of belief in yourself to drive that fast. Prost, Schumacher, Senna, Hamilton, Vettel...all massive egos. I liked Rosberg, shame he retired.

[pedro]

Amazing how well informed super is about everything going on in F1 and the EPL when he seems to despise it more than anything else.

[dynamark]

Pedro Digs you are correct.Super is a strange one.
One thing Lewis is not is spoilt he did not come from a well heeled or privileged background.There are many examples a few at present but not Hamilton.F1 world champ is he is supposed to live like a monk.Would super have a pop a Graham/damon Hill,Stirling.James Hunt.
They have to entertain as well as the day job its incredibly hard and expensive to get to the top step in motor racing.Not really different to any other sport in many ways.Your tennis golf sailing horses has its variety of backgrounds for those involved.Life I'm afraid.

[super_realist]

Pedro Digs you are correct.Super is a strange one.
One thing Lewis is not is spoilt he did not come from a well heeled or privileged background.There are many examples a few at present but not Hamilton.F1 world champ is he is supposed to live like a monk.Would super have a pop a Graham/damon  Hill,Stirling.James Hunt.
They have to entertain as well as the day job its incredibly hard and expensive to get to the top step in motor racing.Not really  different to any other sport in many ways.Your tennis golf sailing horses has its variety of backgrounds for those involved.Life I'm afraid.

Ha ha, His lack of a good background is no reason as to why he is such a whinging diva now. No one is expecting him to live like a monk, but he doesn't have to be such a petulant child about everything. Whether you like it or not, he DOES behave like a spoilt brat, and his background being "poor" doesn't mean he can't behave like that now.

As for why I have an opinion even though I don't like Football or F1, it's pretty bloody hard not to be exposed to it all the time.

http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/14341985/lewis-hamilton-acted-spoilt-child-title-jacques-villeneuve

http://www.grandprix247.com/2016/10/10/british-media-slam-paranoid-brat-hamilton/

http://www.firstpost.com/sports/losing-brings-worst-lewis-hamilton-2178673.html

[McLaren]

Super

If you quote Jaques Villeneuve you lose.

Just admit you are out of your depth on this one?

[super_realist]

Why do I lose if I quote Villeneuve? Doesn't he know more about Hamilton than you or I?

Furthermore, How could you possibly claim he isn't a petulant w.anchor? He demonstrates it repeatedly. Didn't you see how he reacted during last season? He was a total cry baby, unprofessional and a complete brat.

I'm not remotely out of my depth. There's plenty evidence that Hamilton is a plank of a person.

Even Stirling Moss said he's like a 15 year old, or should I not quote Moss either?

I'm really not sure why you think I'm out of my depth, no one has shown that he isn't a prrrrriick have they? That's all I'm claiming.

All that I've said that has been contradicted is that Vettel can also be petulant.

[McLaren]

As a "new atheist" disciple I am surprised you have such a poor understanding of the burden of proof. You are making the claim Hamilton is petulant, I have no need to make the case he isn't for your claim to fall short of being accepted.

[super_realist]

Mac, I've given you plenty citations of how Hamilton is a petulant brat.

You don't seem to understand that there are plenty examples of him being an absolute length.

You only have to search online to find dozens of examples of Hamilton being a toss pot, for some reason it seems that every piece of evidence has to be "written off" because you don't agree with the source. That's denying the evidence and makes you look like the only one who has been "defeated" on this.

Are you really denying that he is anything but a rich knob who acts like a spoilt brat? I've shown you where and when, yet you continue to deny it. Being ignorant to facts, doesn't mean they aren't true.

Hamilton is a wankshaft, and you know it.

[McLaren]

Super

I honestly have no idea what Hamilton is like as a person. The stories that do the rounds in the media make me think I wouldn't have a lot in common with him, but I don't know enough about him to say he is definitely a pillock.

[Be_the_ball]

His antics a couple of years ago re the Wimbledon Royal box are surely enough Mac.

There was a dress code specified. A Jacket, a tie and shoes not an unreasonable request which he ignored. He must think he's above all that.

[super_realist]

Super

I honestly have no idea what Hamilton is like as a person. The stories that do the rounds in the media make me think I wouldn't have a lot in common with him, but I don't know enough about him to say he is definitely a pillock.

I haven't said he's a "pillock" I said he acts repeatedly like a spoilt brat and a petulant child. That's not even in doubt so I'm not sure what it is you are trying to argue.

[McLaren]

Ok, but the I am still not sure we know enough about him to say he is a petulant child. Playing sport in the public eye is likely to expose petulant behavior in anyone at some point. No doubt we have all thrown a wobbly on the golf course at some point.

Is it really the case that Hamilton has shown petulant tendencies more often than other top sports people?

[Davie]

Give it a rest Mac! No one has said he's the most petulant. We're not talking about other top sports people - it's Hamilton

[beninho]

I am a massive F1 fan, and Hamiltons persona is a definitely petulant at times. But then again, a lot of them are. Perez is, especially when he was refusing team orders with Weirleihn the other week. Vettel is even more so then hamilton, he just covers it by making a few jokes out of the car.

Hamilton gets noticed more because he has been so successful over the last few years.

My favourites are Kimi and Fernando, and they also tick to moaning box quite well.

[navyblueshorts]

The Switzerland/tax evasion thing and the contrived lies surrounding his reasons for doing that were enough to make me dislike him for ever. The petulant behaviour when racing is just another reason to enjoy it when he loses.

[navyblueshorts]

I am a massive F1 fan, and Hamiltons persona is a definitely petulant at times. But then again, a lot of them are. Perez is, especially when he was refusing team orders with Weirleihn the other week. Vettel is even more so then hamilton, he just covers it by making a few jokes out of the car.

Hamilton gets noticed more because he has been so successful over the last few years.

My favourites are Kimi and Fernando, and they also tick to moaning box quite well.

My cat could be successful in that Merc. I'm with S_R on F1 - an engineering competition with too much between the cars themselves for the drivers to make very much difference much of the time.

[beninho]

I am a massive F1 fan, and Hamiltons persona is a definitely petulant at times. But then again, a lot of them are. Perez is, especially when he was refusing team orders with Weirleihn the other week. Vettel is even more so then hamilton, he just covers it by making a few jokes out of the car.

Hamilton gets noticed more because he has been so successful over the last few years.

My favourites are Kimi and Fernando, and they also tick to moaning box quite well.

My cat could be successful in that Merc. I'm with S_R on F1 - an engineering competition with too much between the cars themselves for the drivers to make very much difference much of the time.

Of course its about the cars and the engineering, its not a spec series. Its not about putting everyone in the same car and seeing who wins. But it never has been, good cars dominate for periods of times, until changes are made and another team gets ahead. Over the years the loopholes have been closed and cars have to stick to pretty rigid regs, but the team that makes the best engine will be the team to beat.

[super_realist]

Ok, but the I am still not sure we know enough about him to say he is a petulant child.  Playing sport in the public eye is likely to expose petulant behavior in anyone at some point.  No doubt we have all thrown a wobbly on the golf course at some point.

Is it really the case that Hamilton has shown petulant tendencies more often than other top sports people?

Why not just read the sports pages?
Don't tell me you don't make a judgement on someone until you get to know them personally, because I don't believe you.

[navyblueshorts]

I am a massive F1 fan, and Hamiltons persona is a definitely petulant at times. But then again, a lot of them are. Perez is, especially when he was refusing team orders with Weirleihn the other week. Vettel is even more so then hamilton, he just covers it by making a few jokes out of the car.

Hamilton gets noticed more because he has been so successful over the last few years.

My favourites are Kimi and Fernando, and they also tick to moaning box quite well.

My cat could be successful in that Merc. I'm with S_R on F1 - an engineering competition with too much between the cars themselves for the drivers to make very much difference much of the time.

Of course its about the cars and the engineering, its not a spec series. Its not about putting everyone in the same car and seeing who wins. But it never has been, good cars dominate for periods of times, until changes are made and another team gets ahead. Over the years the loopholes have been closed and cars have to stick to pretty rigid regs, but the team that makes the best engine will be the team to beat.

True re. the engineering, but it's dull as dishwater now.

[navyblueshorts]

Ok, but the I am still not sure we know enough about him to say he is a petulant child.  Playing sport in the public eye is likely to expose petulant behavior in anyone at some point.  No doubt we have all thrown a wobbly on the golf course at some point.

Is it really the case that Hamilton has shown petulant tendencies more often than other top sports people?

Why not just read the sports pages?
Don't tell me you don't make a judgement on someone until you get to know them personally, because I don't believe you.

Yep, Mac knows Garcia well, which is why he's on such safe ground calling him 'pea brain' .

[kwinigolfer]

But some brats are relentless #Nickkyrgios . . . . what a wanchor

[super_realist]

Yes, he's an oaf Kwini.

[raycastleunited]

The R&A seldom seems to have any Open qualifiers, Regional or Final, in Northern Ireland or Wales, just token presence in Scotland & Ireland.
Is the scant Scottish representation just because The Open is at Birkdale, or is that the way the R&A usually rolls?

Just revisiting some comments from last week.

Surely the R&A look at the historical demand for qualifiers and run events to match the numbers of applicants in each region? I'd be surprised if they did it any other way. There was a regional qualifier in Ireland, what more should they do?

And the five final qualifiers are in 1. Scotland, 2. northern England, 3. north midlands, 4. south midlands / northern home counties, 5. south / southern home counties. Looks like a pretty good geographical spread to me.

[kwinigolfer]

Just don't understand why they don't get a tad more politically correct and go to & NI. They're good enough for Senior Open and Irish Open (not R&A, I know) - perhaps more qualifiers would be the answer, but glad to see Martin Laird qualified.

PS: Sorry - off thread topic.

[raycastleunited]

I understand it's not politically correct, and that may change with the new governmental arrangements, but not many people live in NI. So there aren't many golfers. But there are some cracking courses!

[dynamark]

I have no idea why super gets so animated by his view on Lewis Hamilton.Crazy
Easy to find a few press headlines on virtually any sports person.
He was not spoilt and a few ups and downs with the team,press and racing authourities is par for the course.
Lets start slagging off Chris Frome, Andy Murray, Simon Dyson,Jo Konta, and spread the love around.
Super if you don't enjoy F1 please do not watch you must have plenty of channels to choose from.Some enjoy it .
Final open quali tomorrow not a lot of places up for grabs

[super_realist]

I have no idea why super gets so animated by his view on Lewis Hamilton.Crazy
Easy to find a few press headlines on virtually any sports person.
He was not spoilt and a few ups and downs with the team,press and racing authourities is par for the course.
Lets start slagging off Chris Frome, Andy Murray, Simon Dyson,Jo Konta, and spread the love around.
Super if you don't enjoy F1 please do not watch you must have plenty of channels to choose from.Some enjoy it .
Final open quali tomorrow not a lot of places up for grabs
 

Sorry Dyna, It's a bit sixth form to tell me to go and watch something else, I don't watch it, but you can't escape the coverage and reporting if you're remotely interested in sport in general and I do pick up time and again that he's a brat who behaves like someone has stolen his dummy. I've the same right to comment on it as you have, doesn't matter if I like it or not, and you liking it, doesn't make your comments any more valid.

Again, you seem to misunderstand the use of the world "spoilt". I'm not referring to his peasant upbringing, I'm referring to how he behaves like a petulant child again and again.

If you actually recall I only mentioned it because I was asking Mac what on earth he saw in what can barely be seen as a sport, which, like most things when questioned he never answered (currently ensconced in a juvenile computer game by all accounts), and proceeded to tell me how I was wrong to cite examples of when Hamilton has behaved like a hairy bumhoie (which he does on a regular basis, last week being a prime example) because he thought people who might actually know e.g. Villeneuve and Moss weren't credible and that only he can comment on whether Hamilton behaves like an adult.

Yes, sports people can occasionally get fractious and irritable. Hamilton makes rather too much of a habit of it and in a far more immature way than others, and more than most I would suggest. He's a bit like the Ashley Cole of F1, fancies himself, only as good as the team he belongs to and too stupid to realise how normal people behave.

[navyblueshorts]

...He's a bit like the Ashley Cole of F1, fancies himself, only as good as the team he belongs to and too stupid to realise how normal people behave.

Like that analogy...

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