Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[dynamark]

First topic message reminder :

He came across very poor as did fellow lib Clegg with his constant sniping at the Brexit issue.
Good riddance to both.Libs may well be a non entity now.
Tories have to proceed with caution now and build up some confidence again.

Our fire guy at work is telling us today that they really should have gone for a full evacuation at an early stage but that runs right against all previous policy putting residents and fire staff in potentially greater danger.In Blackadder terms it would have been going 'over the top'

[Diggers]

...He's a bit like the Ashley Cole of F1, fancies himself, only as good as the team he belongs to and too stupid to realise how normal people behave.

Like that analogy...

A bit like Ian Poulter is the Hamilton of golf?

[super_realist]

Fair enough. Not arguing with that. Just don't really see why Mac is ignoring the numerous examples of Hamilton being an ersehole.

[Davie]

Poulter is outspoken and brash (though less so now) - I don't recall him even being a petulant brat

[super_realist]

I've seen it a few times Davie, touch of the Monty's with noise in the background or cameramen looking around, saying that I've seen as many examples when he's laughed it off.

Certainly not as insufferable and disrespectful to his fellow pro's as Hamilton though.

[raycastleunited]

Super really loves Hamilton because of this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-3021404/Lewis-Hamilton-opens-tattoos-poses-cover-Men-s-Health-meaning-m-strong-faith-wanted-religious-images.html

[Diggers]

I'd say I've heard Poulter talk himself up a fair few times, definitely sees/saw himself as better than he actually is/was. I've actually never heard Hamilton do that, he's always pretty modest about his achievements, or at least whenever I've seen him interviewed. And let's face it, whatever you think of the sports, Hamilton is clearly a great of his, Poulter not so much.

[super_realist]

It's pretty hard to compare the two Diggers.

One is a game where the result is purely on the basis of the talent of the player, the other is completely determined by which team you happen to race for.

F1 does not crown the best driver of the year, rather it crowns who is the best driver out of the two drivers on the best team. At least that's the way it's been for a very long time. It is basically a coin toss and when Hamilton didn't have things going his way, instead of being a man about it and accepting he was beaten by the better driver in that year, he cried like a baby and made up that his team were favouring his team mate and ensuring his car was more reliable.

It's never Hamilton's fault is it?

[super_realist]

Super really loves Hamilton because of this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-3021404/Lewis-Hamilton-opens-tattoos-poses-cover-Men-s-Health-meaning-m-strong-faith-wanted-religious-images.html

You're right, that makes me dislike him even more. Anyone who thinks "faith" is something to be proud of is just being wilfully ignorant and wearing your ignorance like a badge of honour just makes you look even more stupid. Definitely getting more like Ashley Cole.

[Diggers]

It's not completely determined, though obviously has a bearing. Clearly talent has a lot to do with getting a decent drive, every single driver or commentator or team owner I've seen list their greats has Hamilton very high, always higher than Vettel for example. Poulter is clearly very good, but no more than a footnote in the history of his sport.
I do agree though, I don't care for Hamilton, but it's more for the rock star demeanour than his actions in the sport.

[super_realist]

It's pretty much the biggest factor. You see how someone goes from utter obscurity to World Champ as soon as they get the best car. Button for example.
Whereas you see how far someone like Alonso drops when his manufacturer his overtaken.

That's really why I asked the question to Mac in what he sees in a "sport" which is ultimately determined by who has the best R&D, engineers and the most money backing it. Such predictability and lack of a level playing field seems to be the antithesis of what makes something "sporting" to me. Yet, he's still to answer.

I can understand what people see in football, even cricket and Rugby, but F1 is an mystery to me, especially when the actual event is pretty dry too.

[Diggers]

I'm like that with horse racing, no interest, doesn't seem like a sport when it's so focused on the betting, and I grew up 200 yards from a racetrack. I know a lot of people who feel that way about golf though. Whatever floats your boat really.

[super_realist]

Indeed, I'd just like Mac to explain what he sees in something which is the opposite of the other things he's interested in.

The point of things like Golf though (and I understand why people hate it and the people who play it) is that it is at least something you can take part in, play the same courses as the pro's and experience what it's like to hit the odd top class shot. How many F1 fans understand what it's like to be in an F1 car? It's just another element that confuses me. You couldn't be more detached from F1, yet the fans are fanatical (sic) and I'm not sure what the appeal is.
It's not like Mac even drives a car, he's a proud bus passenger. He couldn't be further from the action, yet loves it.

[Diggers]

People love cars and fast cars especially. Most drive, they understand what speed feels like, everyone goes go karting at some point, which gives you that sense of speed from a low slung level. I have a problem with understanding why people like it or are drawn to it, just not particularly my bag though I'll watch it occasionally.

[McLaren]

Super/diggers

I am actually not a car guy but have always liked f1 and I have explained the reasons for liking it to super many times. I guess to summarize I like; the science/engineering, teamwork, driver skill, speed, risk, strategy, settings. And no doubt more if I could be bothered to think about it.

Super, not sure your insistence that you need to partake in an activity to enjoy watching it makes any sense because it would render almost all tv and cinema pointless.

[Davie]

Diggers - I never said Poulter wasn't a blowhard .. just that he's not a petulant brat like Hamilton. Different comparison

[super_realist]

Super/diggers

I am actually not a car guy but have always liked f1 and I have explained the reasons for liking it to super many times.  I guess to summarize I like; the science/engineering, teamwork, driver skill, speed, risk, strategy, settings. And no doubt more if I could be bothered to think about it.

Super, not sure your insistence that you need to partake in an activity to enjoy watching it makes any sense because it would render almost all tv and cinema pointless.

Mac, I didn't insist on anything. I simply said it was another reason as to why it seems more difficult to like.

Your English comprehension remains truly terrible and your analogies are also irrelevant and unrelated.

[beninho]

If you dont like F1 due to the lack of a level playing field, then you dont really understand it, so why bother talking about it. F1 is not about a level playing field, its about teams gaining advantages through the cars that they build and how they use the regulations. Couple the best car with a good driver, Senna in a Mclaren, Schumacher at Ferrari, Hamilton in a Merc then they will win the title. Button, who is a good driver, won the title due to his team getting ahead of the game with double diffusers. Red Bull built a great car and Vettel romped to titles. The driver is just part of the whole team, but if you cant accept the skill of the best F1 drivers then its not a sport for you.

I accept people dont like it, I dont really understand the bashing of it. I really dont like rugby, but I dont question why people do.

[super_realist]

I've NEVER disputed the skills of the driver, but the car is the most influential part of it and that denudes the sporting appeal of it if only two drivers can win it, and those come from the same team. How can that be interesting?

F1 doesn't determine who the best driver is. I can't think of another sport where the best player on the pitch/field/course/ring doesn't win over the course of the event. F1 doesn't reward being the best, it rewards engineering first, and driving skill comes considerably down the order. The best driver might not even come in the top 10 if his team have fallen down the pecking order.

So the question is, why on earth are F1 drivers lauded, because most of the time, all they've done is beat their team mate and been lucky enough to be in the best car. Calling it a "world title" is as dishonest as the "World Series" in Baseball.

[beninho]

different people find different things interesting. Hard to understand hey?

Anyway, the two battling for the title this year are driving different cars, and its the better of the two drivers in each team challenging.

[super_realist]

different people find different things interesting. Hard to understand hey?

Anyway, the two battling for the title this year are driving different cars, and its the better of the two drivers in each team challenging.

I understand that people find different things interesting, just that F1 seems a very strange thing to be interested in given it isn't dependent on the driver to a major extent.

[MontysMerkin]

but F1 is an mystery to me

And yet you spew vitriolic opinions at every opportunity. You are a very strange person.

[super_realist]

What is vitriolic?

I described Hamilton as a spoilt brat. Seems a pretty apt description.

It's fine you wake up every day just to disagree with me, but at least be accurate.

[beninho]

Why is Hamilton a spoilt brat?

You don't watch the sport, you don't really pay any interest in the sport and openly admit its a sport you dislike. How come you an such an expert on one of its competitors?

I watch the sport, I pay a lot of interest in the sport and I am a fan of the sport, and I dont think he is a spoiled brat, he just comes across as a competitive driver doing all he can to win, and no more spoiled then many other drivers. You think he is prescious, what about Jolyon Palmer!

[MontysMerkin]

What is vitriolic?

I described Hamilton as a spoilt brat. Seems a pretty apt description.

Cos the papers say so? Bet he's a nice chap to be around myself.
He's also one of the best out there and if you want to talk petulence your aryan hero vettel certainly showed his cool last weekend.
As for living abroad, they all do it. Didn't hear much moaning about benjy button living in manaco (or coulthard)

[puligny]

Happy Independence Day to all US contributors. Your perspective and knowledge are much appreciated, along with the good natured banter. Great when we can all have a laugh together!

[raycastleunited]

I'm like that with horse racing, no interest, doesn't seem like a sport when it's so focused on the betting, and I grew up 200 yards from a racetrack. I know a lot of people who feel that way about golf though. Whatever floats your boat really.

Horse racing is so focused on the betting because without it it's the most boring sport in existence. All these great events like Ascot and Aintree are all about dressing up, drinking and having fun. Nobody gives a monkey's about the actual races. Take away the horses and people would still enjoy the grand national.

[beninho]

The wife went to Cheltenham through work this year, and will she could not indulge in the champagne breakfast and drinks throughout the day she really enjoyed it. A few pound on a horse race changes the race totally. I can see how people get addicted to gambling on the horses.

[navyblueshorts]

...He's a bit like the Ashley Cole of F1, fancies himself, only as good as the team he belongs to and too stupid to realise how normal people behave.

Like that analogy...

A bit like Ian Poulter is the Hamilton of golf?

Wouldn't necessarily disagree with that.

[navyblueshorts]

What is vitriolic?

I described Hamilton as a spoilt brat. Seems a pretty apt description.

Cos the papers say so? Bet he's a nice chap to be around myself.
He's also one of the best out there and if you want to talk petulence your aryan hero vettel certainly showed his cool last weekend.
As for living abroad, they all do it. Didn't hear much moaning about benjy button living in manaco (or coulthard)

It's not Couthard et al living in Monaco; it's the scheiss excuse Hamilton gave for the Switzerland gig. Pathetic.
Also, why don't you make even more up about what someone else (S_R) said - pretty sure he wasn't ever drooling over Vettel and why the Aryan mention?

Hamilton's a petulant brat, but I seriously doubt he cares what we think. Senna was a brat, but grew up - maybe Hamilton will do likewise.

[MontysMerkin]

I feel I am intruding.
Mac what is a gamer? I always find real life to be much more fun.
Hamilton is Ok fair enough one dimensional from the outside  but so are most very successful persons.

It's  not that he's one dimensional. It's that he's a spoilt brat and a complete diva.
Vettel is more successful than Hamilton, but seems a decent guy and very rarely heard complaining.

Hamilton will ignore his indiscretions and highlight everyone others and then make claims that his team are out to get him because his car has been less reliable. He's a grade a w.anchor.

Apology accepted.
However, the Aryan thing would be more that soops seems to keep his special sauce for those of colour.

[super_realist]

Why is Hamilton a spoilt brat?

You don't watch the sport, you don't really pay any interest in the sport and openly admit its a sport you dislike. How come you an such an expert on one of its competitors?

I watch the sport, I pay a lot of interest in the sport and I am a fan of the sport, and I dont think he is a spoiled brat, he just comes across as a competitive driver doing all he can to win, and no more spoiled then many other drivers. You think he is prescious, what about Jolyon Palmer!

He demonstrates it repeatedly. The way he reacted to Vettel by asking to "settle it like men", his terrible behaviour last year when things weren't going his way. Need I go on?
He's a pampered plank full of his own self importance. Probably nice a lot of the time (usually when things go well) but throws his toys out of the pram when they aren't. Bad loser.

A bit like Garcia, who Mac is quick to denigrate, when Hamilton is no better.

By the way Monty, I'd have thought for one so "right on" that you would know not to use the term "colour" in regards to race/ethnicity.

[MontysMerkin]

Why is Hamilton a spoilt brat?

You don't watch the sport, you don't really pay any interest in the sport and openly admit its a sport you dislike. How come you an such an expert on one of its competitors?

I watch the sport, I pay a lot of interest in the sport and I am a fan of the sport, and I dont think he is a spoiled brat, he just comes across as a competitive driver doing all he can to win, and no more spoiled then many other drivers. You think he is prescious, what about Jolyon Palmer!

He demonstrates it repeatedly. The way he reacted to Vettel by asking to "settle it like men", his terrible behaviour last year when things weren't going his way. Need I go on?
He's a pampered plank full of his own self importance. Probably nice a lot of the time (usually when things go well) but throws his toys out of the pram when they aren't. Bad loser.

A bit like Garcia, who Mac is quick to denigrate, when Hamilton is no better.

By the way Monty, I'd have thought for one so "right on" that you would know not to use the term "colour" in regards to race/ethnicity.

Whys that? None of my family have ever complained about that description.

Please describe his terrible behaviour last year. Must have been so bad I blocked it from my mind?

[navyblueshorts]

I feel I am intruding.
Mac what is a gamer? I always find real life to be much more fun.
Hamilton is Ok fair enough one dimensional from the outside  but so are most very successful persons.

It's  not that he's one dimensional. It's that he's a spoilt brat and a complete diva.
Vettel is more successful than Hamilton, but seems a decent guy and very rarely heard complaining.

Hamilton will ignore his indiscretions and highlight everyone others and then make claims that his team are out to get him because his car has been less reliable. He's a grade a w.anchor.

Apology accepted.
However, the Aryan thing would be more that soops seems to keep his special sauce for those of colour.

Nonsense. It's you that's throwing accusations of racial prejudice around on the back of zero evidence. I suggest you stop it.

[MontysMerkin]

I feel I am intruding.
Mac what is a gamer? I always find real life to be much more fun.
Hamilton is Ok fair enough one dimensional from the outside  but so are most very successful persons.

It's  not that he's one dimensional. It's that he's a spoilt brat and a complete diva.
Vettel is more successful than Hamilton, but seems a decent guy and very rarely heard complaining.

Hamilton will ignore his indiscretions and highlight everyone others and then make claims that his team are out to get him because his car has been less reliable. He's a grade a w.anchor.

Apology accepted.
However, the Aryan thing would be more that soops seems to keep his special sauce for those of colour.

Nonsense. It's you that's throwing accusations of racial prejudice around on the back of zero evidence. I suggest you stop it.

Really? Okely dokely then

[raycastleunited]

I feel I am intruding.
Mac what is a gamer? I always find real life to be much more fun.
Hamilton is Ok fair enough one dimensional from the outside  but so are most very successful persons.

It's  not that he's one dimensional. It's that he's a spoilt brat and a complete diva.
Vettel is more successful than Hamilton, but seems a decent guy and very rarely heard complaining.

Hamilton will ignore his indiscretions and highlight everyone others and then make claims that his team are out to get him because his car has been less reliable. He's a grade a w.anchor.

Apology accepted.
However, the Aryan thing would be more that soops seems to keep his special sauce for those of colour.

Nonsense. It's you that's throwing accusations of racial prejudice around on the back of zero evidence. I suggest you stop it.

Whoa there navy. Hamilton, Woods, Ashley Cole. Coincidence? Probably. I think Monty is well within his rights to point it out, and you are well out of order for telling him to stop.

[Davie]

[McLaren]

Navy

I know you are not a close follower of F1 but as a mod I would expect more research and thought would go into a post asking someone to cease asking questions about potentially racist comments. There has long been a problem of racism towards Hamilton and it is not that unlikely that a poster with supers history (see Rays post above) might have pretty worrying reasons for questioning Hamilton's character.

Don't allow the tired trope of a white men being portrayed as "decent and hardworking" while black people are insulted when behaving in exactly the same manner.

[MontysMerkin]

Navy is doing his best but these discussions can be quite difficult to follow.

[kwinigolfer]

Why is Wimbledon a week later this year than usual?

[puligny]

Changed it a year or 2 back Kwini. This is now the regular slot. I think it's something to do with Cliff Richard being away for the second week!!!!

[Davie]

As far as I'm concerned Wimbledon has always been last week June, first week July, so it's definitely late this year. Royal Ascot was also a week later this year though so I guess that pushed Wimbledon (and Henley Regatta) back a week. I've not been able to find out why either!

[I'm never wrong]

An extra week after the French Open for players to prepare, and to increase the build up to Wimbledon by having more tournaments in June.

[Be_the_ball]

Changed it a year or 2 back Kwini. This is now the regular slot. I think it's something to do with Cliff Richard being away for the second week!!!!

[kwinigolfer]

Changed it a year or 2 back Kwini. This is now the regular slot. I think it's something to do with Cliff Richard being away for the second week!!!!

[super_realist]

Why is Hamilton a spoilt brat?

You don't watch the sport, you don't really pay any interest in the sport and openly admit its a sport you dislike. How come you an such an expert on one of its competitors?

I watch the sport, I pay a lot of interest in the sport and I am a fan of the sport, and I dont think he is a spoiled brat, he just comes across as a competitive driver doing all he can to win, and no more spoiled then many other drivers. You think he is prescious, what about Jolyon Palmer!

He demonstrates it repeatedly. The way he reacted to Vettel by asking to "settle it like men", his terrible behaviour last year when things weren't going his way. Need I go on?
He's a pampered plank full of his own self importance. Probably nice a lot of the time (usually when things go well) but throws his toys out of the pram when they aren't. Bad loser.

A bit like Garcia, who Mac is quick to denigrate, when Hamilton is no better.

By the way Monty, I'd have thought for one so "right on" that you would know not to use the term "colour" in regards to race/ethnicity.

Whys that? None of my family have ever complained about that description.

Please describe his terrible behaviour last year. Must have been so bad I blocked it from my mind?

You don't recall his terrible behaviour from last year when he was getting whining arse handed to him weekly by Rosberg and turned on his team complaining that they were favouring Rosberg and deliberately making his car less reliable?
An adult would have tried harder, a petulant immature moron would have reacted exactly like Hamilton did.

Your absurd assertion that I only dislike people of "colour" as you put it so politically incorrectly just shows how low you would stoop.

To borrow from Mac, you haven't got remotely enough evidence to even surmise that.

[super_realist]

Navy

I know you are not a close follower of F1 but as a mod I would expect more research and thought would go into a post asking someone to cease asking questions about potentially racist comments.  There has long been a problem of racism towards Hamilton and it is not that unlikely that a poster with supers history (see Rays post above) might have pretty worrying reasons for questioning Hamilton's character.

Don't allow the tired trope of a white men being portrayed as "decent and hardworking" while black people are insulted when behaving in exactly the same manner.

Mac, you are being an utter moron on this issue and doing nothing but stirring the pot. How dare you infer I'm racist. I've given enough criticism of every race and ethnicity and in no way single black people out. You are a disgrace.

I've laid out repeatedly why I dislike many people. Every single one of them I have justified and it has nothing to do with the colour of their skin.

Why don't you get back to watching Transworld Sport or something? You probably think that's supporting LGBT because you're so PC and right on.

[McLaren]

You will have to explain that last paragraph to me.

[dynamark]

I think Super has lost it!!

[Diggers]

Why is Hamilton a spoilt brat?

You don't watch the sport, you don't really pay any interest in the sport and openly admit its a sport you dislike. How come you an such an expert on one of its competitors?

I watch the sport, I pay a lot of interest in the sport and I am a fan of the sport, and I dont think he is a spoiled brat, he just comes across as a competitive driver doing all he can to win, and no more spoiled then many other drivers. You think he is prescious, what about Jolyon Palmer!

He demonstrates it repeatedly. The way he reacted to Vettel by asking to "settle it like men", his terrible behaviour last year when things weren't going his way. Need I go on?
He's a pampered plank full of his own self importance. Probably nice a lot of the time (usually when things go well) but throws his toys out of the pram when they aren't. Bad loser.

A bit like Garcia, who Mac is quick to denigrate, when Hamilton is no better.

By the way Monty, I'd have thought for one so "right on" that you would know not to use the term "colour" in regards to race/ethnicity.

Whys that? None of my family have ever complained about that description.

Please describe his terrible behaviour last year. Must have been so bad I blocked it from my mind?

You don't recall his terrible behaviour from last year when he was getting whining arse handed to him weekly by Rosberg and turned on his team complaining that they were favouring Rosberg and deliberately making his car less reliable?
An adult would have tried harder, a petulant immature moron would have reacted exactly like Hamilton did.

Your absurd assertion that I only dislike people of "colour" as you put it so politically incorrectly just shows how low you would stoop.

To borrow from Mac, you haven't got remotely enough evidence to even surmise that.

He did moan a bit, but he definitely had a lot of bad luck with reliability . As for try a bit harder...he took pole and won the last four races of the season, I'd say that is a pretty good response. Im pretty sure he won more races than Rosberg. At the end of the season he was perfectly gracious as far as I could see.
Like I say I don't have much time for him, but let's not rewrite history in what was a very close title race.

[super_realist]

You will have to explain that last paragraph to me.

It was just a remark about you being a complete idiot on this matter Mac.

I've never said or even inferred anything racist. You and Monty are behaving moronically going looking for racist inferences where there are none.

Is it racist of me to poke fun at Lowry, or all the bible bashing American golfers? No it bloody isn't, so stop trying to make a connection just because I have a dislike of 3  (that' s just THREE) people (9C, Cole and Hamilton) that happen to be mixed race when I consistently make remarks about people I don't like from all corners. At the very least, I'm consistent, whereas you are just a hypocrite.

If anyone is racist, it's you for making such a tenuous and petty link.

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