Brexit

by **navyblueshorts** Wed 18 Oct 2017, 8:51 pm

First topic message reminder :

Galted wrote:It will stop foreigners praying in our mosques.

by CaledonianCraig Wed 20 Jun 2018, 12:26 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

May loses my guess is she will be gone in weeks...My guess is she won't lose..

I disagree. I cannot see anyone being stupid enough to take on the job with the Brexit car crash calamity still ahead. Absolutely political suicide taking on that job.

by lostinwales Wed 20 Jun 2018, 12:31 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:EU says we can't still be part of the European Arrest Warrant. David Davis says he still wants to be part of he European Arrest Warrant. EU says, ummm, you do realise that you voted to leave the EU? Did you not realise what that meant?

Its all a fecking joke. Much though I despise the concept of Brexit and how it is being handled, it is the shear fecking stupidity and mendacity of our government that drives me insane. Stupidity, mendacity and a power grab, with the majority of the meek little MP's of either side either buying into the crap or just staying quiet and taking their salary, while letting the executive take full and unhindered control.

When this government talked about taking back sovereignty, they weren't joking. It is just that they were not telling us the full picture of who they were taking sovereignty back from. (That's us by the way - because apparently it would not be democratic to let us have a say)

If there was one thing that highlights the current situation more than anything else it is that somehow parliament found 6 hours to talk about upskirting, only to have the bill fillibusted by the far right old fogey brigade, and yet the allowable time to discuss a bill that will involve the biggest changes to our country for a lifetime was measured in minutes.

by CaledonianCraig Wed 20 Jun 2018, 12:41 pm

Well I am ambivalent to the whole Brexit thing but it has shown up Westminster and it's attitude to this union of equals for what it is - a sham.

by Duty281 Wed 20 Jun 2018, 1:01 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:EU says we can't still be part of the European Arrest Warrant. David Davis says he still wants to be part of he European Arrest Warrant. EU says, ummm, you do realise that you voted to leave the EU? Did you not realise what that meant?

Just showing the moronic state of the Tory Party.

Getting rid of the European Arrest Warrant is a key component of leaving the EU. We don't want more Andrew Symeou's.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 20 Jun 2018, 1:12 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

May loses my guess is she will be gone in weeks...My guess is she won't lose..

I disagree. I cannot see anyone being stupid enough to take on the job with the Brexit car crash calamity still ahead. Absolutely political suicide taking on that job.

If you think you can get the job you go for it..

In a year or two's time you might have other Company sniffing around..

David Davis was nailed on for Next Tory Leader at one time and then Cameron started making a name for himself.

If it is there...You take it.

by CaledonianCraig Wed 20 Jun 2018, 1:20 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

May loses my guess is she will be gone in weeks...My guess is she won't lose..

I disagree. I cannot see anyone being stupid enough to take on the job with the Brexit car crash calamity still ahead. Absolutely political suicide taking on that job.

If you think you can get the job you go for it..

In a year or two's time you might have other Company sniffing around..

David Davis was nailed on for Next Tory Leader at one time and then Cameron started making a name for himself.

If it is there...You take it.

Oh it is there I am not denying that. What I am saying is that those who fancy the job will wait until the Brexit bus has crashed. By that I mean that Brexit deals have been signed as whatever the deal there are many who will not get what they want from it. Why would anyone move now to take the job and the headaches that go with it as they will then become the marked man once Brexit deals are signed.

by Samo Wed 20 Jun 2018, 2:40 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

May loses my guess is she will be gone in weeks...My guess is she won't lose..

I disagree. I cannot see anyone being stupid enough to take on the job with the Brexit car crash calamity still ahead. Absolutely political suicide taking on that job.

If you think you can get the job you go for it..

In a year or two's time you might have other Company sniffing around..

David Davis was nailed on for Next Tory Leader at one time and then Cameron started making a name for himself.

If it is there...You take it.

Oh it is there I am not denying that. What I am saying is that those who fancy the job will wait until the Brexit bus has crashed. By that I mean that Brexit deals have been signed as whatever the deal there are many who will not get what they want from it. Why would anyone move now to take the job and the headaches that go with it as they will then become the marked man once Brexit deals are signed.

Exactly. Thats why Boris hasnt launched a leadership challenge yet, despite undermining and deriding May every chance he gets. May is just the fall guy here. When it all goes tits up Boris, Gove, Davis et all will just finger point and blame her. If she had a shred of self-awareness she'd realise this and step down.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 09 Jul 2018, 12:04 am

David Davis has resigned

by guildfordbat Mon 09 Jul 2018, 9:11 am

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:David Davis has resigned

Perhaps not as significant as Sam Curran being released by England to play for Surrey last week but once more Olly first with the news. clap

by Samo Mon 09 Jul 2018, 9:24 am

The first rat has deserted the sinking ship.

After spending only 4 hours negotiating with Barnier, Davis gets to walk away and leave the rest of us with his mess. Infuriating isnt the word.

by Duty281 Mon 09 Jul 2018, 9:47 am

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:David Davis has resigned

Huzzah! Theresa May's end draws ever closer.

by **navyblueshorts** Mon 09 Jul 2018, 10:12 am

Duty281 wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:David Davis has resigned

Huzzah! Theresa May's end draws ever closer.

Maybe, but none of the cowards will take the poisoned chalice until Brexit has been 'delivered' ... whatever the Hell that means anymore.

by Duty281 Mon 09 Jul 2018, 10:33 am

navyblueshorts wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:David Davis has resigned

Huzzah! Theresa May's end draws ever closer.
Maybe, but none of the cowards will take the poisoned chalice until Brexit has been 'delivered' ... whatever the Hell that means anymore.

Not sure that's the case. There were a healthy number of contenders in the 2016 race, and I'm sure that at least a few would step up to fill out another contest.

by **navyblueshorts** Mon 09 Jul 2018, 11:22 am

I'm sure they will - after Brexit. No-one is going to want to own, and tarnish their oh-so-important political careers/legacies, with the mess as it stands now.

by lostinwales Mon 09 Jul 2018, 12:11 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:I'm sure they will - after Brexit. No-one is going to want to own, and tarnish their oh-so-important political careers/legacies, with the mess as it stands now.

It is a bit late for that, although they are all going great guns blaming the 5th column (now known as 'Remainers') for everything going wrong.

With all this I happened to notice that Steve Baker did more or less the same degree as me and was 2 years behind me at Southampton University, so I may have known the little sheet.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 09 Jul 2018, 12:48 pm

She has played a blinder....

Saw that Boris and his mates have no Bollox and know she will win a vote of no confidence.

She will rightfully think fear of Corbyn will steady the ship when it comes to voting on the deal...When she threatens Govt falls if it is not put through..

Only problem is the EU...Whether they accept or not....They will accept I imagine with one or two concessions..

May will still be here in 2020......

by **JuliusHMarx** Mon 09 Jul 2018, 1:17 pm

She's delivering Brexit, as per the will of the people. Not sure why Davis got all hissy about it.

by guildfordbat Mon 09 Jul 2018, 1:35 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:She's delivering Brexit, as per the will of the people. Not sure why Davis got all hissy about it.

Didn't Davis agree on Friday with what he's walked away from now?

by **navyblueshorts** Mon 09 Jul 2018, 2:15 pm

guildfordbat wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:She's delivering Brexit, as per the will of the people. Not sure why Davis got all hissy about it.

Didn't Davis agree on Friday with what he's walked away from now?

Maybe it was a majority decision? Certainly, if he's going to criticise it, he had to resign.

by Luke Mon 09 Jul 2018, 3:03 pm

Boris Johnson has just resigned as Foreign secretary.

by Duty281 Mon 09 Jul 2018, 3:04 pm

Bye-bye Boris. Ta-ra Theresa.

by **JuliusHMarx** Mon 09 Jul 2018, 3:13 pm

Boris Johnson = Will Ferrell*

*Galted will understand

by Samo Mon 09 Jul 2018, 3:15 pm

There will be a GE soon methinks.

by **navyblueshorts** Mon 09 Jul 2018, 3:19 pm

Luke wrote:Boris Johnson has just resigned as Foreign secretary.

Good. Useless blowhard.

by **JuliusHMarx** Mon 09 Jul 2018, 3:21 pm

Basically, voting for Brexit has damaged the whole country, for years if not decades, and left us as a shambolic laughing stock.

by Samo Mon 09 Jul 2018, 3:21 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:Basically, voting for Brexit has damaged the whole country, for years if not decades, and left us as a shambolic laughing stock.

Blue passports tho m8

by Luke Mon 09 Jul 2018, 3:27 pm

It's great isn't it. A man with no ideas, no conviction in anything. And no morals. Leaves. Theresa's probably having a party.

The first 4 people responding to this on 5 live, are all glad and believe this is the best thing to happen.
Chuk Umuna tweet to the news, sums it up best in my opinion.

by Samo Mon 09 Jul 2018, 3:35 pm

I say we dump Brexit, let the gammons have a bit of a riot to get things off their chest, tidy up and forget this whole mess ever happened.

by Duty281 Mon 09 Jul 2018, 4:33 pm

Samo wrote:I say we dump Brexit, let the gammons have a bit of a riot to get things off their chest, tidy up and forget this whole mess ever happened.

'Gammons'. picard

A term now used by dull non-thinkers, who are blissfully unaware of a) their own stupidity and b) the original origin of the phrase.

by Duty281 Mon 09 Jul 2018, 4:36 pm

Luke wrote:Theresa's probably having a party.

Unlikely. As much as I dislike Boris Johnson, he has a lot of supporters within the Tory Party; the same supporters will now be deserting May in droves.

by **navyblueshorts** Mon 09 Jul 2018, 4:44 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Luke wrote:Theresa's probably having a party.

Unlikely. As much as I dislike Boris Johnson, he has a lot of supporters within the Tory Party; the same supporters will now be deserting May in droves.

Oh, I don't know. She's got rid of the two of them now, with an unwritten dare to precipitate a leadership contest that'll take, what, three months plus? Trussed up nicely. If they call it and precipitate, or are involved in, such a contest, they'll get both barrels from all and sundry. I suspect they know that too.
She has her agreed position now - Davis and Bl0wj0b can sit, frothing, on the sidelines.

Time will tell. Only certainty is that there's a lot of disbelief and laughter from over the Channel.

by **JuliusHMarx** Mon 09 Jul 2018, 4:57 pm

Samo wrote:I say we dump Brexit, let the gammons have a bit of a riot to get things off their chest, tidy up and forget this whole mess ever happened.

'Gammons'. A term now derided by gammons, in a manner which makes the rest of us laugh.

by Samo Mon 09 Jul 2018, 5:19 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:
Samo wrote:I say we dump Brexit, let the gammons have a bit of a riot to get things off their chest, tidy up and forget this whole mess ever happened.

'Gammons'. A term now derided by gammons, in a manner which makes the rest of us laugh.

I would type 'Knuckle dragging, mouth breathing, badger baiting, bigoted bum Frak homophobe who reads the daily mail, praises Rees-Mogg and still thinks Brexit is a good idea' but Gammon is a bit easier.

by Luke Mon 09 Jul 2018, 5:31 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Luke wrote:Theresa's probably having a party.

Unlikely. As much as I dislike Boris Johnson, he has a lot of supporters within the Tory Party; the same supporters will now be deserting May in droves.
Oh, I don't know. She's got rid of the two of them now, with an unwritten dare to precipitate a leadership contest that'll take, what, three months plus? Trussed up nicely. If they call it and precipitate, or are involved in, such a contest, they'll get both barrels from all and sundry. I suspect they know that too.
She has her agreed position now - Davis and Bl0wj0b can sit, frothing, on the sidelines.

Time will tell. Only certainty is that there's a lot of disbelief and laughter from over the Channel.

Perhaps some relief as well.
That instead of all this internal arguing, and complaining about what not to do with zero alternative ideas. We actually might get round to some negotiations with a solid base. Weather it works or not we are possibly in a better position now.
.
As for Boris, I'm not actually sure that there is that much support for him. As a figure head yes, but as someone to rely on and give you idea's, any morals and as a leader to get you through the tough times. I'm not so sure.
But your right about the leadership contest. If they do it now they're signing there own death warrants. However I do expect one as soon as Brexit is signed off, weather Boris is one of those challenging then is an interesting idea.
And to be fair to May, see pretty much resurrected his career, after his huff with Grove. She kept him the limelight and kept him despite his gaffes.

by lostinwales Mon 09 Jul 2018, 5:59 pm

Samo wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:
Samo wrote:I say we dump Brexit, let the gammons have a bit of a riot to get things off their chest, tidy up and forget this whole mess ever happened.

'Gammons'. A term now derided by gammons, in a manner which makes the rest of us laugh.

I would type 'Knuckle dragging, mouth breathing, badger baiting, bigoted bum Frak homophobe who reads the daily mail, praises Rees-Mogg and still thinks Brexit is a good idea' but Gammon is a bit easier.

Apparently Dickens used the term 'Gammon' to describe a man based on his pink complexion. I think it is rather apt, really.

by Luke Mon 09 Jul 2018, 6:16 pm

Apparently the leader of the 1822 club (or whatever they're called), has either the 48 votes to trigger a vote of no confidence. Or is very close to. So there actually could be a leadership contest.

I can slightly understand David Davis resigning if he doesn't agree with May's final plan. Which he would be expected to deliver.
But Boris had no need to resign, and this is just him grand standing. And it's not like we're in the middle of the most important negotiations that will shape this countries future. Any support he may have had, I think he's badly misjudged his own popularity and the timing.

by Duty281 Mon 09 Jul 2018, 6:36 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Luke wrote:Theresa's probably having a party.

Unlikely. As much as I dislike Boris Johnson, he has a lot of supporters within the Tory Party; the same supporters will now be deserting May in droves.
Oh, I don't know. She's got rid of the two of them now, with an unwritten dare to precipitate a leadership contest that'll take, what, three months plus? Trussed up nicely. If they call it and precipitate, or are involved in, such a contest, they'll get both barrels from all and sundry. I suspect they know that too.
She has her agreed position now - Davis and Bl0wj0b can sit, frothing, on the sidelines.

Time will tell. Only certainty is that there's a lot of disbelief and laughter from over the Channel.

She hasn't 'got rid' of them, though. They've abandoned her. Leaving her without key support.

A leadership contest could take 3 months, but so what? It'll be over the summer recess period.

by Duty281 Mon 09 Jul 2018, 6:44 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:'Gammons'. A term now derided by gammons, in a manner which makes the rest of us laugh.

It's an insult directed at white, middle-aged, middle-class individuals.

Ironically, it is often used by people who fit the first two of those requirements.

by guildfordbat Mon 09 Jul 2018, 7:23 pm

I was wondering whether I should aspire to be a Gammon but sadly I'm too old. Wink

by JDizzle Mon 09 Jul 2018, 7:55 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
Luke wrote:Boris Johnson has just resigned as Foreign secretary.
Good. Useless blowhard.

'You can always rely on Boris Johnson to be second over the parapet' - Armando Ianucci, writer of the boring and mundane political satire The Thick of It.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 09 Jul 2018, 8:53 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Samo wrote:I say we dump Brexit, let the gammons have a bit of a riot to get things off their chest, tidy up and forget this whole mess ever happened.

'Gammons'.

A term now used by dull non-thinkers, who are blissfully unaware of a) their own stupidity and b) the original origin of the phrase.

I can’t believe someone thinks they can criticise someone else by calling them a “non-thinker.” You’re a real non-smart.

And etymology will tell you that the origin of a phrase does not forever establish its meaning.

by Fernando Mon 09 Jul 2018, 9:27 pm

Luke wrote:Boris Johnson has just resigned as Foreign secretary.

Replaced by Jeremy *unt

by Duty281 Mon 09 Jul 2018, 10:07 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Samo wrote:I say we dump Brexit, let the gammons have a bit of a riot to get things off their chest, tidy up and forget this whole mess ever happened.

'Gammons'.

A term now used by dull non-thinkers, who are blissfully unaware of a) their own stupidity and b) the original origin of the phrase.

I can’t believe someone thinks they can criticise someone else by calling them a “non-thinker.” You’re a real non-smart.

And etymology will tell you that the origin of a phrase does not forever establish its meaning.

But 'gammon' is a non-thinking insult, like 'virtue signaller' or 'snowflake'. No thought, no substance, just repeating the latest buzz phrase to fit in. Like the endless regurgitation of jokes about Paul Nuttall's embellished C.V. or Diane Abbott's numeracy skills.

All tedious stuff.

by Samo Tue 10 Jul 2018, 6:11 am

Seems to me the majority of people who get bent out of shape by the use of the word gammon are people who you could easily describe as being a gammon.

by **Galted** Tue 10 Jul 2018, 8:54 am

JuliusHMarx wrote:Boris Johnson = Will Ferrell*

*Galted will understand

I do and he is one.

by Duty281 Tue 10 Jul 2018, 10:54 am

Samo wrote:Seems to me the majority of people who get bent out of shape by the use of the word gammon are people who you could easily describe as being a gammon.

Well, no, I’m not middle-class or middle-aged. Merely wanting to stand up against the hatred and prejudice you are spouting.

by **JuliusHMarx** Tue 10 Jul 2018, 11:07 am

Duty281 wrote:
Samo wrote:Seems to me the majority of people who get bent out of shape by the use of the word gammon are people who you could easily describe as being a gammon.

Well, no, I’m not middle-class or middle-aged. Merely wanting to stand up against the hatred and prejudice you are spouting.

As opposed to the other hatred and prejudice which you support?

by Samo Tue 10 Jul 2018, 12:45 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Samo wrote:Seems to me the majority of people who get bent out of shape by the use of the word gammon are people who you could easily describe as being a gammon.

Well, no, I’m not middle-class or middle-aged. Merely wanting to stand up against the hatred and prejudice you are spouting.

Funny, I’ve read back what I said and didnt mention you anywhere. Touch a nerve?

by lostinwales Tue 10 Jul 2018, 1:08 pm

Samo wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Samo wrote:Seems to me the majority of people who get bent out of shape by the use of the word gammon are people who you could easily describe as being a gammon.

Well, no, I’m not middle-class or middle-aged. Merely wanting to stand up against the hatred and prejudice you are spouting.

Funny, I’ve read back what I said and didnt mention you anywhere. Touch a nerve?

And I am not quite sure how 'middle class' relates to gammon, unless you are using it as a way of just defining a set of people to abuse.

If you are that concerned over class I always thought that middle class, or at least those aspiring to it, would tend to have engaged with their education in a way which would make them less likely to display gammon like tendencies.

by Luke Tue 10 Jul 2018, 5:26 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Luke wrote:Theresa's probably having a party.

Unlikely. As much as I dislike Boris Johnson, he has a lot of supporters within the Tory Party; the same supporters will now be deserting May in droves.

He had. He hasn't now, after his latest exploits of not voting on the Heathrow and this.
A lot of people who may have admired or supported him. Have turned against him.

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