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The more we talk about it the more I really like the idea. Happy to help out Hero though I don't have fifa.

would we need another reboot?

We'll do it just as a christmas cup fun thing. No reboot, this is Miky's league and I'm getting ahead of myself really.

we all know you're the brains behind the operation

Brooksey79 wrote:we all know you're the brains behind the operation

I'm the beauty.

I dunno Miky is a fine specimen

he has nice hair & a good personality...probably a solid 8/10 That being said either all or none of olly's should be penalized imho seems unfair for just 1 person to benefit from it

can we really implement back-dated punishment

Can't really do Olly this week if not going to backdate it though that's my issue. If it was being clamped down on from next week fair enough but this week nah.

Fernando wrote:Can't really do Olly this week if not going to backdate it though that's my issue. If it was being clamped down on from next week fair enough but this week nah.

That's a good point. I suppose the question to ask is would Olly's tactics have resulted in a loss regardless? If yes, then start it from next week. If no, then can't give a default win unless everyone he played gets one too

I'm not being funny but the rule has been in since the start..

Since the start of the season, the only parts that have counted towards the word count are the actual tactics themselves and sub instructions, which again is also in the rules.

I might add that Olly was also happy to let someone have a default loss when they played an injured player the other week as well, one rule for one and all that.

I'm not so anal I count the words but Olly's seemed a lot fuller....for me it does impact soley on the basis that his game-plan was more thorough

It's my game so its incredibly awkward to discuss this without sounding bias.

Does that not tell you something about how many words are there though although mine are a bit less than 200, his are way over 200 and every person voted for him to win.

Holymiky wrote:I'm not being funny but the rule has been in since the start..

Since the start of the season, the only parts that have counted towards the word count are the actual tactics themselves and sub instructions, which again is also in the rules.

I might add that Olly was also happy to let someone have a default loss when they played an injured player the other week as well, one rule for one and all that.

This is what I'm saying, give me a default loss for going over all the weeks I detailed tbh Nando is right you either gotta backdate it or start it from next week otherwise it looks a bit dodgy imo, and I think it should be backdated cos otherwise whats the point of the rule only starting in week 10 for me... I'm happy to do the backdating and update the table if you aint got the time to do it yourself

Why didn't you just fecking count them properly in the first place you flid?

There are a few things that im focusing on for next season..

Tactics now that we have had problems which i didn't think we would with an experienced group of fantasy managers. (you can use word counters on your mobile phone, i've tested it myself).

Money coming into the league and out of the league, people will be required to record incomings and outgoings and nothing will be allowed unless confirmed/released as normal.

No copy and paste tactics and i will be checking them as well. I will be rejecting them as well if they are pasted. I know people are strapped for time but i've written some good tactics i feel in around 10 minutes or so before.

If anyone decides to leave because of this, then fair enough - just note i don't want anyone to go, but its so much easier to keep track of things this way.

As for the decision on games, im going to think on it..

Hero wrote:Why didn't you just fecking count them properly in the first place you flid?

cos i'm a moomin and thought i was easily within the limit lol and kinda assumed someone would've said by now if i was doing it wrong

i need to be monitored i'm a "danger" as nando would say

I think Olly should be let off with a warning, forgo bonus this week or something. A loss with the fixture not being played seems wrong unless, as Nando suggests, we go back to all the previous weeks.

Holymiky wrote:There are a few things that im focusing on for next season..

Tactics now that we have had problems which i didn't think we would with an experienced group of fantasy managers. (you can use word counters on your mobile phone, i've tested it myself).

Money coming into the league and out of the league, people will be required to record incomings and outgoings and nothing will be allowed unless confirmed/released as normal.

No copy and paste tactics and i will be checking them as well. I will be rejecting them as well if they are pasted. I know people are strapped for time but i've written some good tactics i feel in around 10 minutes or so before.

If anyone decides to leave because of this, then fair enough - just note i don't want anyone to go, but its so much easier to keep track of things this way.

As for the decision on games, im going to think on it..

I think if you're gonna be checking cut and pasting you'll need to expand the word count towards 300/400 - otherwise you're going to get a lot of similar tactics with tweaks which may look like cut and pastes imo. (also didn't realise you could get word counter apps on your phone, I'll install one from now on )

Agree with everything else

Thinking about what Treb's said about making sure money doesn't become meaningless.

Now I say this knowing that I will be one of the people hit most by it, but how about we don't unfreeze TM values for season 2.

Would bugger my plans completely, but would stop the league becoming awash with cash. Would be helpful for the longevity of the league, and also encourage more domestics.

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:

Holymiky wrote:There are a few things that im focusing on for next season..

Tactics now that we have had problems which i didn't think we would with an experienced group of fantasy managers. (you can use word counters on your mobile phone, i've tested it myself).

Money coming into the league and out of the league, people will be required to record incomings and outgoings and nothing will be allowed unless confirmed/released as normal.

No copy and paste tactics and i will be checking them as well. I will be rejecting them as well if they are pasted. I know people are strapped for time but i've written some good tactics i feel in around 10 minutes or so before.

If anyone decides to leave because of this, then fair enough - just note i don't want anyone to go, but its so much easier to keep track of things this way.

As for the decision on games, im going to think on it..

I think if you're gonna be checking cut and pasting you'll need to expand the word count  towards 300/400 - otherwise you're going to get a lot of similar tactics with tweaks which may look like cut and pastes imo. (also didn't realise you could get word counter apps on your phone, I'll install one from now on )

Agree with everything else

There is no way I am rewriting my tactics every week. I always start with the previous weeks and amend from there. If I have to write afresh and also check that they are under 200, then I can't do it.

Tm prices will only unfreeze temporarily Afro and then they will freeze up again with a slightly higher cap

The higher cap will be in play when people are lawyering players for big money

'slightly' higher?

Holymiky wrote:Tm prices will only unfreeze temporarily Afro and then they will freeze up again with a slightly higher cap

I think the assumption is that they unfreeze and go to the current TM price.

So take Gabriel Jesus as an example - at the end of the season his value will become £40.5m, whereas if I get a lawyer at the moment, it is based on his frozen value of £27m.

My proposal is that his value remains at £27m for the duration of the league until he leaves the league? I'm sure it won't be entirely popular as others are in the same boat as me (I estimate I have around £25m of value increases frozen at the moment).

But I just think, to my own detriment, it would be more beneficial to the league

Will need to be discussed but im thinking £45m or around that.

Hero wrote:'slightly' higher?

Missed this. Is my understanding wrong? So for example say the cap goes to £35m, does that mean Jesus's frozen value will go to £35m, not his current TM value?

Afro wrote:

Holymiky wrote:Tm prices will only unfreeze temporarily Afro and then they will freeze up again with a slightly higher cap

I think the assumption is that they unfreeze and go to the current TM price.

So take Gabriel Jesus as an example - at the end of the season his value will become £40.5m, whereas if I get a lawyer at the moment, it is based on his frozen value of £27m.

My proposal is that his value remains at £27m for the duration of the league until he leaves the league? I'm sure it won't be entirely popular as others are in the same boat as me (I estimate I have around £25m of value increases frozen at the moment).

But I just think, to my own detriment, it would be more beneficial to the league

Yes they will unfreeze and allowed to lawyer for the current tm price IF an offer is given however people will be told before the new season 2 cap so they can build their squad around that. The cap will be introduced for season 2, the value im not entirely sure of yet as stated previously.

Sorry Miky, but I'm just confused now.

So using my Jesus example, his value will unfreeze temporarily and if I get a lawyer for him in that period, it would be based on the £40.5m

And then refreeze at a set cap - so if it was £35m for example, any lawyer offer after refreeze would then be based of £35m instead

Is that right?

Ive just realised what I said, let me think it over, anyway lets focus on the rest of this season at risk of interest being lost.

Okay. Fair enough.

My thoughts are refreezing at say £45m is pointless for existing players as there is no one above that price in the league. You might as well say the freeze if reset so everyone moves to TM value and a new freeze is set.

And having a temporary unfreeze and a lower refreeze would just open it to luck as those who are lucky enough to get a good Lawyer will get a boost and those that don't will not.

However, my proposal is to just keep them frozen at the price they entered the league, for the duration of the league, until they leave through lawyers or releases

For me that's moving the goalposts too much, I bought the likes of Werner & Dembele for their expected price rises, I've been targeting La Liga players of late because they've still to have a price rise.

Hero wrote:For me that's moving the goalposts too much, I bought the likes of Werner & Dembele for their expected price rises, I've been targeting La Liga players of late because they've still to have a price rise.

I'm in the same boat. I've adopted the same kind of approach and my whole strategy was focused on season 2.

But however much I might lose out, I just think it would be better for the league as a whole. It would help encourage domestics and it would help with longevity IMO, so I think we should at least consider it.

Me too.

I thought for instance that for the new season all current TM values are updated (regardless of what the cap is).

So for Jesus, Afro could lawyer him at any point (or release him) based upon his current 40.5m. However if the cap is set at 35m, then Jesus cannot then come back in the league.

Basically if you are lucky enough to have a player whose TM value is above the cap at the start of season 2, your choice is to keep them or cash in on them. However once they leave the league in any way, they cannot then come back in as the TM value is above the cap.

Sorry if that's what you guys already said but that was my understanding of what would happen.

We're conflating two issues.

1. The cap on players coming into the league.
What is the maximum value player that can join next season?

2. The TM value freeze on existing players.
My understanding was that the values would be unfrozen at the end of the season and we'd all put new TM values on all our players for season 2. Then they'd be locked at those values.

I did campaign for a permanent price freeze at the very beginning but I was shot down for it. I would still like it to happen, despite having some players who have had an upgrade. But I understand that everyone has their own agenda of signing players due a rise. I thought this league was meant to inhibit that and it hasn't.

Whilst I was distracted by what surely must be first ever use of the word conflating on v2 ( ), you are right.

Why is it being overcomplicated?

End of the season, TM limit moves to £45m or £55m, it won't be awash with cash, eventually everyone will be available and longevity will come into it.

If Hero and Afro make money then so be it, makes it more of a challenge for the rest of us.

None of this unfreezing and refreezing stuff is needed.

At the end of the season, every player gets judged at their new value. Simple.

Oyarzabal for sale.
Want more than his lawyer value of 14.9m as if not I prefer him to go out of the league for a month.

This is why nobody respects you Hero.

Marky wrote:This is why nobody respects you Hero.

Going to update the league table, so I can update the homepage too.

What was the decision on Olly's game Miky?

Afro wrote:Going to update the league table, so I can update the homepage too.

What was the decision on Olly's game Miky?

I think my games are being backdated as default losses was the decision?

I think the consensus was that it wasn't default losses, but consensus isn't final, Miky's call is.

Was that what Miky said Olly

Marky wrote:At the end of the season, every player gets judged at their new value. Simple.

That's what I thought was going to happen but Miky has muddied the waters.

As I've said - two separate issues are being conflated

I'm going to update the table as per the results on the results page, so I can the homepage sorted.

I can change later if needed

New Table up.

Miky - just sent you the updated code for the homepage. Just thinking, does it make sense that I create the next new homepage so I can just copy and paste. Either that or Hero makes me admin


Oh and I'm going to need to rewrite my tactics. Just realised I'm playing Hero this week. Looked at week 11 instead and wrote them for playing Twist

my quest for finishing last is coming along nicely