Wales vs England - Build Up/Match Thread - 27-2-21

[TightHEAD]

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Wales v England

27th Feb

KO 16:46

England:

Daly;
Watson,
Slade,
Farrell,
May;
Ford,
Youngs;
M Vunipola,
George,
Sinckler,
Itoje,
Hill,
Wilson,
Curry,
B Vunipola.

Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Genge, Stuart, Ewels, Martin, Earl, Robson, Malins.

WALES

1. Wyn Jones (32 Caps)
2. Ken Owens (79 Caps)
3. Tomas Francis (54 Caps)
4. Adam Beard (23 Caps)
5. Alun Wyn Jones (CAPT) (145 Caps)
6. Josh Navidi (25 Caps)
7. Justin Tipuric (82 Caps)
8. Taulupe Faletau (83 Caps)
9. Kieran Hardy (3 Caps)
10. Dan Biggar (89 Caps)
11. Josh Adams (29 Caps)
12. Jonathan Davies (85 Caps)
13. George North (99 Caps)
14. Louis Rees-Zammit (6 Caps)
15. Liam Williams (68 Caps)

Replacements:

16. Elliot Dee (34 Caps)
17. Rhodri Jones (19 Caps)
18. Leon Brown (14 Caps)
19. Cory Hill (29 Caps)
20. James Botham (4 Caps)
21. Gareth Davies (59 Caps)
22. Callum Sheedy (6 Caps)
23. Uilisi Halaholo (1 Cap)

[No 7&1/2]

And that was a vintage Youngs sneaky try.  He has always had that eye for a gap, but haven't seen it much lately.    

Controversial opinion here but I think he's played well today. Good battle between him and Hardy.

Best I've seen him play for 18 months.

[Heaf]

Commentary team still saying “he’s knocked it on...... maybe” and laughing.

For clarity the LRZ “knock on” wasn’t a knock on as it didn’t go forward to another player or onto the ground.

Surprisingly the refs in charge know the laws of the game

Correct. It went backwards off his leg. No knock-on and a fair try.

All four qualified officials thought it was a try, not one thought it was a knock-on. Strange, eh?

I think you must just be wumming now as the laws clearly say it was a knock-on - there's nothing about it being OK if it hits a leg. If that was allowed all those players that fumble the ball then kick it would be OK ...

[Scottrf]

4th penalty against Itoje? Unacceptable.

[doctor_grey]

And that was a vintage Youngs sneaky try.  He has always had that eye for a gap, but haven't seen it much lately.    

Controversial opinion here but I think he's played well today. Good battle between him and Hardy.

Agree, I think he has played faster and his passes are on target.

[king_carlos]

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[Sgt_Pooly]

Commentary team still saying “he’s knocked it on...... maybe” and laughing.

For clarity the LRZ “knock on” wasn’t a knock on as it didn’t go forward to another player or onto the ground.

Surprisingly the refs in charge know the laws of the game

It was a knock on as he didn't re-gather the ball.

Show me the law that says the player has to regather it. You can’t as it doesn’t exist.

It is NOT a knock on until it hits another player or the ground. He knocked it forward but then it hit himself and the ball went backwards to ground (not forwards) therefore it is not a knock on

It goes forward off his hand. It's irrespective that it then fell and hit his leg going backwards.....it went forward off his hand/arm....hence a knock on.

It was a knock on, they've messed up. It happens, we move on.

[mikey_dragon]

And that was a vintage Youngs sneaky try.  He has always had that eye for a gap, but haven't seen it much lately.    

Controversial opinion here but I think he's played well today. Good battle between him and Hardy.

Best I've seen him play for 18 months.

It’s annoying how Youngs always plays well against Wales. I feel Hardy was a little hit or miss.

[doctor_grey]

That's 5 pens against Itoje. Wow.

[Duty281]

If England do lose, it'll be almost entirely self-inflicted, though Wales have played well in stages.

Yet another penalty gives Wales the lead.

[Scottrf]

4th penalty against Itoje? Unacceptable.

Sorry 5th

[Geordie]

What did I miss with that itje penalty?

[Duty281]

Commentary team still saying “he’s knocked it on...... maybe” and laughing.

For clarity the LRZ “knock on” wasn’t a knock on as it didn’t go forward to another player or onto the ground.

Surprisingly the refs in charge know the laws of the game

It was a knock on as he didn't re-gather the ball.

Show me the law that says the player has to regather it. You can’t as it doesn’t exist.

It is NOT a knock on until it hits another player or the ground. He knocked it forward but then it hit himself and the ball went backwards to ground (not forwards) therefore it is not a knock on

It goes forward off his hand. It's irrespective that it then fell and hit his leg going backwards.....it went forward off his hand/arm....hence a knock on.

It was a knock on, they've messed up. It happens, we move on.

Nope. This is entirely relevant. You can't knock the ball into yourself.

[Heaf]

Commentary team still saying “he’s knocked it on...... maybe” and laughing.

For clarity the LRZ “knock on” wasn’t a knock on as it didn’t go forward to another player or onto the ground.

Surprisingly the refs in charge know the laws of the game

It was a knock on as he didn't re-gather the ball.

Show me the law that says the player has to regather it. You can’t as it doesn’t exist.

It is NOT a knock on until it hits another player or the ground. He knocked it forward but then it hit himself and the ball went backwards to ground (not forwards) therefore it is not a knock on

I've quoted the law at least twice .... it says it's not a knock on if THE SAME PLAYER CATCHES THE BALL before it hits another player or the ground ...

[formerly known as Sam]

Sheedy looks good for Wales. How long will Biggar be persisted with if Sheedy continues like this?

[Geordie]

If in doubt give it to Wales....

[tigertattie]

Commentary team still saying “he’s knocked it on...... maybe” and laughing.

For clarity the LRZ “knock on” wasn’t a knock on as it didn’t go forward to another player or onto the ground.

Surprisingly the refs in charge know the laws of the game

Correct. It went backwards off his leg. No knock-on and a fair try.

All four qualified officials thought it was a try, not one thought it was a knock-on. Strange, eh?

I think you must just be wumming now as the laws clearly say it was a knock-on - there's nothing about it being OK if it hits a leg.  If that was allowed all those players that fumble the ball then kick it would be OK ...

Ah yes, it’s a WUM when someone doesn’t agree with you. Always the go to argument

Had LRZ kicked it forward it would have been a knock on (knocked forward and hits the ground)

He didn’t kick it forward. It went backwards. Therefore it’s not a knock on.

For the sake of balance the first Welsh try shouldn’t have been given. There. Now everyone is happy.

[mikey_dragon]

Sheedy looks good for Wales. How long will Biggar be persisted with if Sheedy continues like this?

Biggar was kicking quite poor today, Sheedy is probably assured to start Vs Italy. I hoped it would be sooner.

[Collapse2005]

Real durty tash on Sheedy

[owen10ozzy]

STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID!!!!

SERIOUSLY! If your players cant keep their discipline then pull them out of the squad!! And if your not prepared to do that then im sorry but this constant ill discipline falls on you as a coach!!

He has done nothing to address it!!! Nothing it all!!

[quinsforever]

What did I miss with that itje penalty?

nothing. it was a nothing penalty he didnt interfere, he retreated when told. insane

[Scottrf]

Commentary team still saying “he’s knocked it on...... maybe” and laughing.

For clarity the LRZ “knock on” wasn’t a knock on as it didn’t go forward to another player or onto the ground.

Surprisingly the refs in charge know the laws of the game

Correct. It went backwards off his leg. No knock-on and a fair try.

All four qualified officials thought it was a try, not one thought it was a knock-on. Strange, eh?

I think you must just be wumming now as the laws clearly say it was a knock-on - there's nothing about it being OK if it hits a leg.  If that was allowed all those players that fumble the ball then kick it would be OK ...

Ah yes, it’s a WUM when someone doesn’t agree with you. Always the go to argument

Had LRZ kicked it forward it would have been a knock on (knocked forward and hits the ground)

He didn’t kick it forward. It went backwards. Therefore it’s not a knock on.

For the sake of balance the first Welsh try shouldn’t have been given. There. Now everyone is happy.

It’s gone off his hands forward. At that point the only thing that can save a knockdown is the same player catching it. Not knocking it back past the original knock on. Not kicking it.

Last attempt assuming you are genuinely mistaken.

[doctor_grey]

Good kick. Now let's see if England finally go through the hands and ..... attack

[quinsforever]

to be fair Wales have offered v little . but have taken all they have been given gratefully. hill and genge penalties two particular howlers.

[Duty281]

Commentary team still saying “he’s knocked it on...... maybe” and laughing.

For clarity the LRZ “knock on” wasn’t a knock on as it didn’t go forward to another player or onto the ground.

Surprisingly the refs in charge know the laws of the game

Correct. It went backwards off his leg. No knock-on and a fair try.

All four qualified officials thought it was a try, not one thought it was a knock-on. Strange, eh?

I think you must just be wumming now as the laws clearly say it was a knock-on - there's nothing about it being OK if it hits a leg.  If that was allowed all those players that fumble the ball then kick it would be OK ...

Ah yes, it’s a WUM when someone doesn’t agree with you. Always the go to argument

Had LRZ kicked it forward it would have been a knock on (knocked forward and hits the ground)

He didn’t kick it forward. It went backwards. Therefore it’s not a knock on.

For the sake of balance the first Welsh try shouldn’t have been given. There. Now everyone is happy.

It’s gone off his hands forward. At that point the only thing that can save a knockdown is the same player catching it. Not knocking it back past the original knock on. Not kicking it.

Last attempt assuming you are genuinely mistaken.

There is no original knock-on. Off the hands forward into your own body part is not, at any point, a knock-on.

[Duty281]

Oh yay, another penalty. We must be approaching a record.

[king_carlos]

Why. They've got Wales in their 22. Why. Just why.

England have missed Kruis and Lawes immeasurably in this match.

[Sgt_Pooly]

Let's keep away from the WUM accusations. If you think somebody is being a WUM, ignore the posts, it's not difficult.

[Heaf]

It went forwards off his hand - after that the only way it's not a knock-on is if he catches it before it hits another player or the ground - have you actually read the law - genuine question as if you had I can't understand why you'd still be arguing about it?

[Scottrf]

Commentary team still saying “he’s knocked it on...... maybe” and laughing.

For clarity the LRZ “knock on” wasn’t a knock on as it didn’t go forward to another player or onto the ground.

Surprisingly the refs in charge know the laws of the game

Correct. It went backwards off his leg. No knock-on and a fair try.

All four qualified officials thought it was a try, not one thought it was a knock-on. Strange, eh?

I think you must just be wumming now as the laws clearly say it was a knock-on - there's nothing about it being OK if it hits a leg.  If that was allowed all those players that fumble the ball then kick it would be OK ...

Ah yes, it’s a WUM when someone doesn’t agree with you. Always the go to argument

Had LRZ kicked it forward it would have been a knock on (knocked forward and hits the ground)

He didn’t kick it forward. It went backwards. Therefore it’s not a knock on.

For the sake of balance the first Welsh try shouldn’t have been given. There. Now everyone is happy.

It’s gone off his hands forward. At that point the only thing that can save a knockdown is the same player catching it. Not knocking it back past the original knock on. Not kicking it.

Last attempt assuming you are genuinely mistaken.

There is no original knock-on. Off the hands forward into your own body part is not, at any point, a knock-on.

Once it hits the ground without that same player catching it, it is. Which it did.

Nested quotes are spamming a bit now so I’ll leave you to be mistaken if you still don’t get it.

[Duty281]

Yes, but only if it goes forward. Which this doesn't. It clearly goes backward. Any qualified referee (like the ones on the field) will tell you the same.

14th penalty conceded by England, again in combination. Can't hope to beat many nations with that sort of count. And a two score lead means it's surely all over.

[No 7&1/2]

Think that's the game now. Cant say it's been that bad a performance. Some really stupid pens and some borderline ones. That said we should have won. Really hope this post is premature.

[Heaf]

Let's keep away from the WUM accusations. If you think somebody is being a WUM, ignore the posts, it's not difficult.

Sorry - just puzzled why people keep insisting on stuff that isn't in the laws that we've even quoted for them ...

[king_carlos]

Sheedy has had an excellent 30 minutes whilst England have hit self destruct. Incredibly frustrating.

[doctor_grey]

Still looking for Plan B

[tigertattie]

Forget refs and interpretations of the laws.

England’s indiscipline is what has (potentially at this time) cost them this game.

If France get pulled from the 6ns by their own sports minister then only Italy stand in the way of wales picking up the title.

[Geordie]

Ah well if your going to win an irrelevant tournament due to covid and referees helping you every game...

You can count on the Welsh to jump for it...

[No 7&1/2]

Yes, but only if it goes forward. Which this doesn't. It clearly goes backward. Any qualified referee (like the ones on the field) will tell you the same.

14th penalty conceded by England, again in combination. Can't hope to beat many nations with that sort of count. And a two score lead means it's surely all over.

It's simple really. Rewind to the point he fumbles. Now mark the first point the ball is either caught by liz or it touches the ground or another player.is that point behind where he loses control.

[mikey_dragon]

Navidi, Tipuric and Faletau are a really good back-row. They link up very well and pretty much do everything.

[king_carlos]

Still looking for Plan B

Plan A has worked when they've kept the ball.

You can have plans A through Z in attack but with discipline this poor you wont win the game.

[Duty281]

That would have been a lovely bonus for Wales.

[Collapse2005]

Wales good value for the win today

[mikey_dragon]

Ah well if your going to win an irrelevant tournament due to covid and referees helping you every game...

You can count on the Welsh to jump for it...  

Wum. Mods ban him for 3 weeks.

[No 7&1/2]

Faletau motm? Have to say o thought vunipola outclassed him today.

[Geordie]

Ah well if your going to win an irrelevant tournament due to covid and referees helping you every game...

You can count on the Welsh to jump for it...  

Wum. Mods ban him for 3 weeks.

Please do

[TightHEAD]

Absolute disgrace. Too many penalties

[TightHEAD]

Eddie Jones out now. Enough is enough.

[No 7&1/2]

Even with those pens I just think England were good value for a win today.

[mikey_dragon]

Ah well England battered. Ref was very poor, for both teams at times. Not sure what was up with his breakdown interpretation.

[Brendan]

Well done Wales.

The slam is on

[Duty281]

Deserved bonus for Wales. Embarrassing defeat for England who hit a new low. Certainly can't see England beating France, Ireland will be tough.

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