Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[ralphjohn69]

First topic message reminder :

It's not logic. Most pot 4 teams are no worse than Rangers. If Rangers were the worst ever pot 4 team last year, what makes them any better now?

Because instead of playing another Pot 3 team they will be playing a Pot 4 team, who will probably be worse than a Pot 3 team so they have a better chance of getting 3rd, although it's obviously not guaranteed. You really don't help yourself when you post about football....

[super_realist]

So as you’re not a Tory Duty,  you’re obviously reform then…There is a LOT of reform ire that is valid, the thing is the only solution can ultimately only ever come from the left of center. The right can NEVER truly solve working class issues. If the left ain’t doing it…sort the left dont abdicate responsibility to the right, they will never satisfactorily solve the issues of ordinary working class people, even the aspirational ones.

Clearly "working class" people don't agree JAS given they make up the majority of the population and the fact they've voted in Tories at least 66% of the last 100 years, or perhaps like Guardian readers you think the working class is "too stupid" to know what they're voting for. Wouldn't be the first time a lefty has thought that.

[Duty281]

So as you’re not a Tory Duty,  you’re obviously reform then…There is a LOT of reform ire that is valid, the thing is the only solution can ultimately only ever come from the left of center. The right can NEVER truly solve working class issues. If the left ain’t doing it…sort the left dont abdicate responsibility to the right, they will never satisfactorily solve the issues of ordinary working class people, even the aspirational ones.

Solutions can come from any part of the political spectrum. And you need to get beyond the crude left v right dichotomy.

Reform want to end the two child benefit cap, raise the tax threshold to £20,000 to help those on low salaries, build more houses, establish more direct democracy, reform the House of Lords, and implement PR. Which part of those things is right wing? Or is it possible that Reform can have ideas from the left and the right, rather than sticking to a crude right or left model?

[JAS]

So as you’re not a Tory Duty,  you’re obviously reform then…There is a LOT of reform ire that is valid, the thing is the only solution can ultimately only ever come from the left of center. The right can NEVER truly solve working class issues. If the left ain’t doing it…sort the left dont abdicate responsibility to the right, they will never satisfactorily solve the issues of ordinary working class people, even the aspirational ones.

Solutions can come from any part of the political spectrum. And you need to get beyond the crude left v right dichotomy.

Reform want to end the two child benefit cap, raise the tax threshold to £20,000 to help those on low salaries, build more houses, establish more direct democracy, reform the House of Lords, and implement PR. Which part of those things is right wing? Or is it possible that Reform can have ideas from the left and the right, rather than sticking to a crude right or left model?

Therein lies one of their advantages. Can you imagine the absolute furore if Labour announced those things, Reeves would be strung up by the daily Mail, Telegraph etc. So no those things are not typical right wing menu selections.

Left/right is used and has been used for decades to provide context around political discourse. Personally I wish there wasn’t such importance laid on such banal labels….especially when prefixed by the word “hard”. Where the split should really be is between the vested interests of power and wealth and everyone else. Reform like Trump like to paint themselves as on the side of ordinary people, they’re not, they’re part of the swamp too that the Donald said needs draining. The sad fact of the current landscape is that the Labour Party also appears to be on the wrong side of the divide. Keir Hardie would be spinning in his grave.

[navyblueshorts]

Gambling companies are generally scum and will usually try to cheat punters any way they can.

But when someone has a bit of inside knowledge or beats the bookmaker regularly, oooh it's terribly unfair.

Pay Gareth his £500, I say.

I think you're missing at least a large part of the point in this case. Conduct unbecoming, but not a surprise from the current Tory shower. Also, it's actually illegal if as suggested.

Probably is illegal, but who cares with a gambling company losing out?

Ah yes. Of course. Then again, who cares if Farage is milk shaked or has stuff thrown at him on his campaign bus, eh? Didn't I mention hypocrisy elsewhere on this site recently?

Eh? There's nothing remotely comparable between assault of a political candidate and someone taking the bookmakers for a cheeky few hundred.

You did mention hypocrisy, but failed to back it up. I'd be interested to know how this is hypocritical?

Both involve illegality, but it appears you're fine with one of them, while being less happy with the other. You should be fine with both, but it appears you can't apply a consistent set of principles to differing examples. Ergo, hypocrisy.

[navyblueshorts]

So as you’re not a Tory Duty,  you’re obviously reform then…There is a LOT of reform ire that is valid, the thing is the only solution can ultimately only ever come from the left of center. The right can NEVER truly solve working class issues. If the left ain’t doing it…sort the left dont abdicate responsibility to the right, they will never satisfactorily solve the issues of ordinary working class people, even the aspirational ones.

Clearly "working class" people don't agree JAS given they make up the majority of the population and the fact they've voted in Tories at least 66% of the last 100 years, or perhaps like Guardian readers you think the working class is "too stupid"  to know what they're voting for. Wouldn't be the first time a lefty has thought that.

Right of centre policies tend to play, broadly, to humanity's naturally selfish instincts. Left of centre, less so. I wonder why so many are often taken in by offers of personal tax breaks, rosy promises of a growing economy etc? I wonder why less are often supportive of policies that are more interested, broadly, with social equality etc?

[Duty281]

Gambling companies are generally scum and will usually try to cheat punters any way they can.

But when someone has a bit of inside knowledge or beats the bookmaker regularly, oooh it's terribly unfair.

Pay Gareth his £500, I say.

I think you're missing at least a large part of the point in this case. Conduct unbecoming, but not a surprise from the current Tory shower. Also, it's actually illegal if as suggested.

Probably is illegal, but who cares with a gambling company losing out?

Ah yes. Of course. Then again, who cares if Farage is milk shaked or has stuff thrown at him on his campaign bus, eh? Didn't I mention hypocrisy elsewhere on this site recently?

Eh? There's nothing remotely comparable between assault of a political candidate and someone taking the bookmakers for a cheeky few hundred.

You did mention hypocrisy, but failed to back it up. I'd be interested to know how this is hypocritical?

Both involve illegality, but it appears you're fine with one of them, while being less happy with the other. You should be fine with both, but it appears you can't apply a consistent set of principles to differing examples. Ergo, hypocrisy.

One type of illegality isn't the same as another! So there is no hypocrisy.

I'm fine with people smoking weed in the privacy of their own homes. I'm not OK with people murdering other people. According to you that would be hypocrisy because they're both illegal. Hysterical stuff.

Give your head a wobble and take a seat. You've had a shocker here.

What actually would be hypocritical is if I were OK with, say, Starmer or Sunak getting stuff thrown at them, or if I went out and threw stuff at a politician I disliked.

[super_realist]

So as you’re not a Tory Duty,  you’re obviously reform then…There is a LOT of reform ire that is valid, the thing is the only solution can ultimately only ever come from the left of center. The right can NEVER truly solve working class issues. If the left ain’t doing it…sort the left dont abdicate responsibility to the right, they will never satisfactorily solve the issues of ordinary working class people, even the aspirational ones.

Clearly "working class" people don't agree JAS given they make up the majority of the population and the fact they've voted in Tories at least 66% of the last 100 years, or perhaps like Guardian readers you think the working class is "too stupid"  to know what they're voting for. Wouldn't be the first time a lefty has thought that.

Right of centre policies tend to play, broadly, to humanity's naturally selfish instincts. Left of centre, less so. I wonder why so many are often taken in by offers of personal tax breaks, rosy promises of a growing economy etc? I wonder why less are often supportive of policies that are more interested, broadly, with social equality etc?

Yeah, those nasty right wing politics that paid peoples salaries for two years. What vile people.
The trouble with socialism is that people only want others to be socialist, they don't want to be socialist or have to endure socialist policies for themselves.
Funniest thing is you can barely fit a fag paper between Labour and Conservative these days anyway.

[navyblueshorts]

Gambling companies are generally scum and will usually try to cheat punters any way they can.

But when someone has a bit of inside knowledge or beats the bookmaker regularly, oooh it's terribly unfair.

Pay Gareth his £500, I say.

I think you're missing at least a large part of the point in this case. Conduct unbecoming, but not a surprise from the current Tory shower. Also, it's actually illegal if as suggested.

Probably is illegal, but who cares with a gambling company losing out?

Ah yes. Of course. Then again, who cares if Farage is milk shaked or has stuff thrown at him on his campaign bus, eh? Didn't I mention hypocrisy elsewhere on this site recently?

Eh? There's nothing remotely comparable between assault of a political candidate and someone taking the bookmakers for a cheeky few hundred.

You did mention hypocrisy, but failed to back it up. I'd be interested to know how this is hypocritical?

Both involve illegality, but it appears you're fine with one of them, while being less happy with the other. You should be fine with both, but it appears you can't apply a consistent set of principles to differing examples. Ergo, hypocrisy.

One type of illegality isn't the same as another! So there is no hypocrisy.

I'm fine with people smoking weed in the privacy of their own homes. I'm not OK with people murdering other people. According to you that would be hypocrisy because they're both illegal. Hysterical stuff.

Give your head a wobble and take a seat. You've had a shocker here.

What actually would be hypocritical is if I were OK with, say, Starmer or Sunak getting stuff thrown at them, or if I went out and threw stuff at a politician I disliked.

Whatever you say. You're not hypocritical through the lens of your own biases/preferences/beliefs, but then who is? More than happy with both my position and understanding of your behaviour, the latter of which is certainly consistent.

[navyblueshorts]

So as you’re not a Tory Duty,  you’re obviously reform then…There is a LOT of reform ire that is valid, the thing is the only solution can ultimately only ever come from the left of center. The right can NEVER truly solve working class issues. If the left ain’t doing it…sort the left dont abdicate responsibility to the right, they will never satisfactorily solve the issues of ordinary working class people, even the aspirational ones.

Clearly "working class" people don't agree JAS given they make up the majority of the population and the fact they've voted in Tories at least 66% of the last 100 years, or perhaps like Guardian readers you think the working class is "too stupid"  to know what they're voting for. Wouldn't be the first time a lefty has thought that.

Right of centre policies tend to play, broadly, to humanity's naturally selfish instincts. Left of centre, less so. I wonder why so many are often taken in by offers of personal tax breaks, rosy promises of a growing economy etc? I wonder why less are often supportive of policies that are more interested, broadly, with social equality etc?

Yeah, those nasty right wing politics that paid peoples salaries for two years. What vile people.
The trouble with socialism is that people only want others to be socialist, they don't want to be socialist or have to endure socialist policies for themselves.
Funniest thing is you can barely fit a fag paper between Labour and Conservative these days anyway.

One swallow does not a summer make. Not a great example, either.

That's my point re. your numbers voting Tory over the last century. Right wing policies are almost always more in line with the inherently selfish wants of the vast majority, so not a great surprise they get more traction? We're too thick/stupid, especially in the U.K., to listen to anything except dog whistle bollox re. extremes of socialism or capitalism as if it's some sort of zero sum situation. We deserve everything we get.

[JAS]

So as you’re not a Tory Duty,  you’re obviously reform then…There is a LOT of reform ire that is valid, the thing is the only solution can ultimately only ever come from the left of center. The right can NEVER truly solve working class issues. If the left ain’t doing it…sort the left dont abdicate responsibility to the right, they will never satisfactorily solve the issues of ordinary working class people, even the aspirational ones.

Clearly "working class" people don't agree JAS given they make up the majority of the population and the fact they've voted in Tories at least 66% of the last 100 years, or perhaps like Guardian readers you think the working class is "too stupid"  to know what they're voting for. Wouldn't be the first time a lefty has thought that.

Right of centre policies tend to play, broadly, to humanity's naturally selfish instincts. Left of centre, less so. I wonder why so many are often taken in by offers of personal tax breaks, rosy promises of a growing economy etc? I wonder why less are often supportive of policies that are more interested, broadly, with social equality etc?

Yeah, those nasty right wing politics that paid peoples salaries for two years. What vile people.
The trouble with socialism is that people only want others to be socialist, they don't want to be socialist or have to endure socialist policies for themselves.
Funniest thing is you can barely fit a fag paper between Labour and Conservative these days anyway.

It's not the funniest thing at all, it's deeply deeply frustrating and I'll say this now...IF Starmer does get in and as seems likely doesn't break the back of the Country's problems in the first term, I don't think he'll get a second, I can actually see Reform making a huge breakthrough in 5 years time.

I don't think it's right or helpful to call the majority of the working class that vote Tory stupid. The deviousness of the rich and powerful is quite some thing to behold. Unless you're really into doing your own research in the political sphere it's dead easy to be duped by the rich and powerful protecting their vested interests.

Throughout history, the few have always lorded it (literally) over the many. In fact the period from post war to the end of the 70s was really the only period in history when the dial started to shift slightly toward the many. Since Thatcher though, that slide toward the many stopped, post Blair the needle on the dial has gathered pace in sliding back the other way. Neoliberalism is NOT working for the many and if Labour continue to acquiesce over it Reform will take their place in challenging it. Contrarary to how things look in this election, I think Reform pose a bigger risk to Labour than they do the Tories moving forward. That is not to say that I like or agree with what is happening, just an observation.

[super_realist]

In that case JAS, your left wing acolytes are every bit as culpable for not being capable of convincing the gullible, vacillating and naive "working classes" , too hoodwinked and suggestible to do their own research.

[JAS]

In that case JAS, your left wing acolytes are every bit as culpable for not being capable of convincing the gullible, vacillating and naive "working classes" , too hoodwinked and suggestible to do their own research.

As Duty tried to highlight earlier in the week, we shouldn’t be getting tied up with labels like left and right, those labels are a classic tactic for sowing division. The sooner society realises that the real divide is between the super rich and the rest of us the better. The super rich are bit by bit hoovering up assets and becoming richer than many countries, how do you think that’s going to work out?

Thing is they’re now bearing down on the upper working class and middle class, those people who had a little bit of security and prosperity, it’s being stripped away from many. By the time the majority realise that we HAVE to stop the flow of excess wealth to the few and the obscene inequality it creates, it’ll be too late.

[super_realist]

Your entire argument though JAS is based on these vacuous working classes being repeatedly duped by the domineering and deceitful right. If it's so easy for these people to hoodwink the gullible into voting for it, why have Labour found it so hard to do the same?
Why can't you just accept that the voting public in general want a Labour government less often and that it is nothing to do with being "duped" or "lied to" and everything to do with not wanting what Labour are selling?

Don't talk to me about left and right definitions when you wake up every single morning and take your "right wing is bad pill" before you do anything else.

Ha ha ha, what you are describing is exactly what Labour want to do to the middle classes by taking away their ability to provide private schooling for their children.

[navyblueshorts]

Your entire argument though JAS is based on these vacuous working classes being repeatedly duped by the domineering and deceitful right. If it's so easy for these people to hoodwink the gullible into voting for it, why have Labour found it so hard to do the same?
Why can't you just accept that the voting public in general want a Labour government less often and that it is nothing to do with being "duped" or "lied to" and everything to do with not wanting what Labour are selling?

Don't talk to me about left and right definitions when you wake up every single morning and take your "right wing is bad pill" before you do anything else.

Ha ha ha, what you are describing is exactly what Labour want to do to the middle classes by taking away their ability to provide private schooling for their children.

All yours, JAS. Not that I think he's listening...

[navyblueshorts]

On the subject of the wealthy, it'll be interesting to see whether Elon Musk ultimately gets the ~$56 billion(!) bonus that apparently the Tesla shareholders think he should now get. Talk about an obscenity...

[super_realist]

Amazed anyone thinks he should get that rather than at least a large part of it going back to shareholders.
Can understand a 3-4bn bonus, but not a 56bn bonus. Thats more than the GDP of 90 odd countries.

Personally I wouldn't give him a penny as he's an Olympic level c**t although I do like that he winds up the wokies and far left.

[McLaren]

Amazed anyone thinks he should get that rather than at least a large part of it going back to shareholders.
Can understand a 3-4bn bonus, but not a 56bn bonus. Thats more than the GDP of 90 odd countries.

Personally I wouldn't give him a penny as he's an Olympic level c**t although I do like that he winds up the wokies and far left.

Surprised you are not into Musk. I thought all those dude bro types like Rogan, Musk, Peterson etc would have been right up your street?

[super_realist]

Amazed anyone thinks he should get that rather than at least a large part of it going back to shareholders.
Can understand a 3-4bn bonus, but not a 56bn bonus. Thats more than the GDP of 90 odd countries.

Personally I wouldn't give him a penny as he's an Olympic level c**t although I do like that he winds up the wokies and far left.

Surprised you are not into Musk. I thought all those dude bro types like Rogan, Musk, Peterson etc would have been right up your street?

I've always been consistent that I hate those people Mac.

[JAS]

Your entire argument though JAS is based on these vacuous working classes being repeatedly duped by the domineering and deceitful right. If it's so easy for these people to hoodwink the gullible into voting for it, why have Labour found it so hard to do the same?
Why can't you just accept that the voting public in general want a Labour government less often and that it is nothing to do with being "duped" or "lied to" and everything to do with not wanting what Labour are selling?

Don't talk to me about left and right definitions when you wake up every single morning and take your "right wing is bad pill" before you do anything else.

Ha ha ha, what you are describing is exactly what Labour want to do to the middle classes by taking away their ability to provide private schooling for their children.

All yours, JAS. Not that I think he's listening...

The blind are those who cannot see but there are none as blind as those who WILL not see!!

I don’t know if I can be arsed to be honest, it would be like trying to get Donald Trump to be honest about his golf score.

[McLaren]

But they basically have exactly the same political positions as you?

[McLaren]

Your entire argument though JAS is based on these vacuous working classes being repeatedly duped by the domineering and deceitful right. If it's so easy for these people to hoodwink the gullible into voting for it, why have Labour found it so hard to do the same?

Labour hasn't gone full racist yet...

[super_realist]

Your entire argument though JAS is based on these vacuous working classes being repeatedly duped by the domineering and deceitful right. If it's so easy for these people to hoodwink the gullible into voting for it, why have Labour found it so hard to do the same?

Labour hasn't gone full racist yet...

No, just Dianne Abbot, Jeremy Corbyn, Chris Williamson, Dawn Butler, Sadiq Khan and David Lammy

[JAS]

Your entire argument though JAS is based on these vacuous working classes being repeatedly duped by the domineering and deceitful right. If it's so easy for these people to hoodwink the gullible into voting for it, why have Labour found it so hard to do the same?

Labour hasn't gone full racist yet...

No, just Dianne Abbot, Jeremy Corbyn, Chris Williamson, Dawn Butler, Sadiq Khan and David Lammy

Based on current polling over 40% of the electorate either disagree with you OR they don’t see an issue where you seem desperate to see one. Meanwhile 30something percent who expressed a preference are voting Reform, Tories and Nationalist parties none of whom have got any racist tendencies at all??

Christ I excluded the Greens and the Lib Dem’s but even the Greens have recently expelled a handful of anti semites

Whilst most people abhor racism it’s still a scourge that exists across the political spectrum. Singling out only Labour politicians to tar with that brush is weirdly unbalanced.

[JAS]

Amazed anyone thinks he should get that rather than at least a large part of it going back to shareholders.
Can understand a 3-4bn bonus, but not a 56bn bonus. Thats more than the GDP of 90 odd countries.

Personally I wouldn't give him a penny as he's an Olympic level c**t although I do like that he winds up the wokies and far left.

Surprised you are not into Musk. I thought all those dude bro types like Rogan, Musk, Peterson etc would have been right up your street?

I've always been consistent that I hate those people Mac.

Just removing the word those would provide a more accurate statement…no?

[super_realist]

Your entire argument though JAS is based on these vacuous working classes being repeatedly duped by the domineering and deceitful right. If it's so easy for these people to hoodwink the gullible into voting for it, why have Labour found it so hard to do the same?

Labour hasn't gone full racist yet...

No, just Dianne Abbot, Jeremy Corbyn, Chris Williamson, Dawn Butler, Sadiq Khan and David Lammy

Based on current polling over 40% of the electorate either disagree with you OR they don’t see an issue where you seem desperate to see one. Meanwhile 30something percent who expressed a preference are voting Reform, Tories and Nationalist parties none of whom have got any racist tendencies at all??

Christ I excluded the Greens and the Lib Dem’s but even the Greens have recently expelled a handful of anti semites

Whilst most people abhor racism it’s still a scourge that exists across the political spectrum. Singling out only Labour politicians to tar with that brush is weirdly unbalanced.

The point was that racism that exists in all parties is practically ignored if the party is left wing.
Labour's anti semitism is pretty much ignored by mainstream media, even the most recent expulsion barely got a mention and the Greens expulsion and tacit support of Hamas through recent council wins by pro Palestine support got virtually no coverage at all on left wing outlets like BBC, Sky, C4 etc yet if that was a right wing party it would be all over it.

You can't possibly think that the coverage of racism in all parties is remotely handled the same.

[navyblueshorts]

Your entire argument though JAS is based on these vacuous working classes being repeatedly duped by the domineering and deceitful right. If it's so easy for these people to hoodwink the gullible into voting for it, why have Labour found it so hard to do the same?

Labour hasn't gone full racist yet...

No, just Dianne Abbot, Jeremy Corbyn, Chris Williamson, Dawn Butler, Sadiq Khan and David Lammy

Based on current polling over 40% of the electorate either disagree with you OR they don’t see an issue where you seem desperate to see one. Meanwhile 30something percent who expressed a preference are voting Reform, Tories and Nationalist parties none of whom have got any racist tendencies at all??

Christ I excluded the Greens and the Lib Dem’s but even the Greens have recently expelled a handful of anti semites

Whilst most people abhor racism it’s still a scourge that exists across the political spectrum. Singling out only Labour politicians to tar with that brush is weirdly unbalanced.

The point was that racism that exists in all parties is practically ignored if the party is left wing.¹
Labour's anti semitism is pretty much ignored by mainstream media², even the most recent expulsion barely got a mention and the Greens expulsion and tacit support of Hamas³ through recent council wins by pro Palestine support got virtually no coverage at all on left wing outlets like BBC, Sky, C4⁴ etc yet if that was a right wing party it would be all over it.

You can't possibly think that the coverage of racism in all parties is remotely handled the same⁵.

I've stopped laughing now, so I'll comment.

¹ You're not serious? You don't recall the opprobrium thrown at Corbyn and Labour (see 2, below)?? Also, maybe, just maybe, it's an issue more to do w/ the right? It's them after all who, in the main, are the xenophobes etc banging on about immigration this, immigration that.
² Now I know you aren't serious. In addition, though I know you haven't/won't do so, go read Asa Winstanley's book on 'Weaponising Antisemitism' as a starting point.
³ By 'tacit', you mean 'in my opinion'. Just thought I'd clear that up for anyone else wondering. Perhaps you could point me and others to quotes from relevant people re. their explicit support of Hamas?
⁴ Of course, those outlets would seem left wing to someone on the right.
⁵ No, it's not. Reform and the Tories are at it all the time, but get very little apparent damage from that. The slightest mention of it from Labour and they're shat on by all and sundry.

[McLaren]

Super, what party are you going to vote for in the general election?

[superflyweight]

Your entire argument though JAS is based on these vacuous working classes being repeatedly duped by the domineering and deceitful right. If it's so easy for these people to hoodwink the gullible into voting for it, why have Labour found it so hard to do the same?

Labour hasn't gone full racist yet...

No, just Dianne Abbot, Jeremy Corbyn, Chris Williamson, Dawn Butler, Sadiq Khan and David Lammy

Based on current polling over 40% of the electorate either disagree with you OR they don’t see an issue where you seem desperate to see one. Meanwhile 30something percent who expressed a preference are voting Reform, Tories and Nationalist parties none of whom have got any racist tendencies at all??

Christ I excluded the Greens and the Lib Dem’s but even the Greens have recently expelled a handful of anti semites

Whilst most people abhor racism it’s still a scourge that exists across the political spectrum. Singling out only Labour politicians to tar with that brush is weirdly unbalanced.

The point was that racism that exists in all parties is practically ignored if the party is left wing.
Labour's anti semitism is pretty much ignored by mainstream media, even the most recent expulsion barely got a mention and the Greens expulsion and tacit support of Hamas through recent council wins by pro Palestine support got virtually no coverage at all on left wing outlets like BBC, Sky, C4 etc yet if that was a right wing party it would be all over it.

You can't possibly think that the coverage of racism in all parties is remotely handled the same.

The anti-semitism of left wing parties is nothing compared to their open hatred of native whites.

Look at every DEI policy, it always results in less whites.

How many articles are written about X being "too-white".

Grooming gangs raping white girls? Can't look into that, might be called a racist.

The left hate whites so much that they aren't even human enough to be racist to. How many times have you heard that you can't be racist to white ppl?

Look at the labour candidate vs Farage. His favourite drink is white male tears. Is any right wing politician this hostile to any race? No chance.

Who let this racist back on the site?

[McLaren]

"open hatred of native whites"

That is hilarious. You've lost the plot.

[navyblueshorts]

Your entire argument though JAS is based on these vacuous working classes being repeatedly duped by the domineering and deceitful right. If it's so easy for these people to hoodwink the gullible into voting for it, why have Labour found it so hard to do the same?

Labour hasn't gone full racist yet...

No, just Dianne Abbot, Jeremy Corbyn, Chris Williamson, Dawn Butler, Sadiq Khan and David Lammy

Based on current polling over 40% of the electorate either disagree with you OR they don’t see an issue where you seem desperate to see one. Meanwhile 30something percent who expressed a preference are voting Reform, Tories and Nationalist parties none of whom have got any racist tendencies at all??

Christ I excluded the Greens and the Lib Dem’s but even the Greens have recently expelled a handful of anti semites

Whilst most people abhor racism it’s still a scourge that exists across the political spectrum. Singling out only Labour politicians to tar with that brush is weirdly unbalanced.

The point was that racism that exists in all parties is practically ignored if the party is left wing.
Labour's anti semitism is pretty much ignored by mainstream media, even the most recent expulsion barely got a mention and the Greens expulsion and tacit support of Hamas through recent council wins by pro Palestine support got virtually no coverage at all on left wing outlets like BBC, Sky, C4 etc yet if that was a right wing party it would be all over it.

You can't possibly think that the coverage of racism in all parties is remotely handled the same.

some_complete_bollox_written_by_an_ignorant_avowed_racist

Who let this racist back on the site?  

Dunno. It's actually quite impressive that the human species still contains such marvellous specimens...

[navyblueshorts]

"open hatred of native whites"

That is hilarious. You've lost the plot.

He never had one. A few too many head impacts while running with his ultra mates and pretending he's something.

[the-goon]

Everything I said was true.

It's ok, I know you know it's true. Hence the censorship.

So is ok for a black man to say his favourite drink is white male tears? And should he be allowed to stand for elected office? Especially when 93% of his constituents are white?

[navyblueshorts]

Everything I said was true.

It's ok, I know you know it's true. Hence the censorship.

So is ok for a black man to say his favourite drink is white male tears? And should he be allowed to stand for elected office? Especially when 93% of his constituents are white?

You get this one for free.

No-one here is interested in your bile. You wouldn't know truth if it smacked you in the face.

[JAS]

Super, what party are you going to vote for in the general election?

The Norwegian, ToC hating, Scottish Football denigrating, religion bashing, anti Socialist Party :-p

[the-goon]

Everything I said was true.

It's ok, I know you know it's true. Hence the censorship.

So is ok for a black man to say his favourite drink is white male tears? And should he be allowed to stand for elected office? Especially when 93% of his constituents are white?

You get this one for free.

No-one here is interested in your bile. You wouldn't know truth if it smacked you in the face.

Why can't you answer a simple question?

So much hate, I thought the left was about a kinder and more gentle politics...

[JuliusHMarx]

For you to accept an answer, it would need to be one that agreed with your initial position. I think most of us on here can recognise a lost cause when we see one.
It's not dissimilar to arguing with Flat Earther. Nothing we can say, no matter how truthful, will affect their position. So what's the point in trying?

[JAS]

[quote="super_realist"][quote="JAS"]

No, just Dianne Abbot, Jeremy Corbyn, Chris Williamson, Dawn Butler, Sadiq Khan and David Lammy at all on left wing outlets like BBC, Sky, C4 etc yet if that was a right wing party it would be all over it.

You can't possibly think that the coverage of racism in all parties is remotely handled the same.

Corbyn isn’t a Labour Party member, he was kicked out…guess what for?? So no I don’t think all parties handle racism the same way.

[the-goon]

For you to accept an answer, it would need to be one that agreed with your initial position. I think most of us on here can recognise a lost cause when we see one.
It's not dissimilar to arguing with Flat Earther. Nothing we can say, no matter how truthful, will affect their position. So what's the point in trying?

The fact that you can type this without a hint of self-awareness is amazing to me.

So what did I say that's untrue?

[the-goon]

"open hatred of native whites"

That is hilarious. You've lost the plot.

Why? Are the grooming gangs a myth to you?

Why does labour have candidates that want drink "white male tears"?

Why does labour's Naz Shah like tweets saying grooming gang victims should shut their mouths for the sake of diversity?

[superflyweight]

Best not to engage with this c*nt. He'll be gone soon enough anyway.

[JuliusHMarx]

Best not to engage with this c*nt.  He'll be gone soon enough anyway.  

He seems quite desperate to engage with us for some reason. I wonder why it means so much to him.

[superflyweight]

Best not to engage with this c*nt.  He'll be gone soon enough anyway.  

He seems quite desperate to engage with us for some reason. I wonder why it means so much to him.

Probably some kind of recruitment drive for his sad lonely white men club.   Did I say it was a club for white men only?  It's important to stress that only white men can join.  Only whites.  And men.  White men.

[the-goon]

And still you can't answer a simple question...

So is ok for a black man to say his favourite drink is white male tears? And should he be allowed to stand for elected office?

I know why you aren't answering, it's because you can't.

If it is ok. Then racism is fine if directed towards whites. And I'm right.

If it's not ok. Why are you supporting a racist party? And why aren't you calling it out? Because racism is like the worst crime ever for you guys. And then I'm right about labour.

Tough place to be in when you're desperate to prove me wrong...

[McLaren]

And still you can't answer a simple question...

So is ok for a black man to say his favourite drink is white male tears? And should he be allowed to stand for elected office?

Who said this?

[superflyweight]

And still you can't answer a simple question...

So is ok for a black man to say his favourite drink is white male tears? And should he be allowed to stand for elected office?

Who said this?

Seriously, just Google it, don't give this c*nt the oxygen to breathe his racist sh1te.

[McLaren]

I really dislike being told to google it, as if I didn't know that was an option.

[superflyweight]

I really dislike being told to google it, as if I didn't know that was an option.

Google it.

[the-goon]

And still you can't answer a simple question...

So is ok for a black man to say his favourite drink is white male tears? And should he be allowed to stand for elected office?

Who said this?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/farage-clacton-labour-candidate-election-b2562143.html

The Labour candidate vs Farage.

[navyblueshorts]

Why? Are the grooming gangs a myth to you?...

Try some broader reading, instead of within your normal echo chamber?

‘Muslim Grooming Gangs’ – An Old Conspiracy Mainstreamed by Today’s Politicians and Press

[navyblueshorts]

And still you can't answer a simple question...

So is ok for a black man to say his favourite drink is white male tears? And should he be allowed to stand for elected office?

I know why you aren't answering, it's because you can't.

If it is ok. Then racism is fine if directed towards whites. And I'm right.

If it's not ok. Why are you supporting a racist party? And why aren't you calling it out? Because racism is like the worst crime ever for you guys. And then I'm right about labour.

Tough place to be in when you're desperate to prove me wrong...

Personally, while I think it's a dumb thing to say, and especially for someone campaigning to become an MP, I can understand based on the historical context re. slavery etc etc. We're also missing the context here re. this remark, but then you know that.

Should he be allowed to stand? That's up to the Labour Party, I guess, as per their Party rules etc. He could stand as an independent in any case, so "should he be allowed to stand for elected office" in general terms? Yes, and the relevant electorate will no doubt decide whom they want to represent them.

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