The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

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Welcome to the virtual rugby pub - a place where you can come in for a sly beverage and discuss whatever's on your mind, or just eavesdrop on the regulars if you fancy a break from all the rugby chat.

The only rule in this pub is one of mutual respect for everyone in it, oh and no defacing the Tommy Bowe photo on the bar. That's a banning offence

So pull up a chair....what'll it be?

mickyt wrote:you don't need to get me drunk to flirt my man. I have woken up hung over in your bed before... (totally out of context)

Indeed you have. God that was a messy night but very enjoyable.

Sín, I am on weight watchers so can drink if need be etc once I POINT it properly. I wasn't drinking that much during the first few weeks though but yeh I am drinking at least 2.5 litres a day so might not be that.

Nots, that fills me with confidence knowing I will be able to handle my gargle once I level out weight wise.

Sin é wrote: If you want to lose more weight, drink plenty of water.

Why does that help. I'm a complete dummy when it comes to this sort of thing.

here you go Stag

There are many reasons why it is important to drink water, especially if you are dieting:

•Initial weight loss is largely due to loss of water, and you need to drink an adequate amount of water in order to avoid dehydration.
•The process of burning calories requires an adequate supply of water in order to function efficiently; dehydration slows down the fat-burning process.
•Burning calories creates toxins (think of the exhaust coming out of your car), and water plays a vital role in flushing them out of your body.
•Dehydration causes a reduction in blood volume; a reduction in blood volume causes a reduction in the supply of oxygen to your muscles; and a reduction in the supply of oxygen to your muscles can make you feel tired.
•Water helps maintain muscle tone by assisting muscles in their ability to contract, and it lubricates your joints. Proper hydration can help reduce muscle and joint soreness when exercising.
•A healthy (weight loss) diet includes a good amount of fiber. But while fiber is normally helpful to your digestive system, without adequate fluids it can cause constipation instead of helping to eliminate it.
•Drinking water with a meal may make you feel full sooner and therefore satisfied eating less. Note, however, that drinking water alone may not have this effect. In order to feel satiated (not hungry), our bodies need bulk, calories and nutrients.

Really didn't know that Micky. I need to drink more.

I actually enjoy drinking water. always have. I have a litre bottle of volvic that I fill up in here every day at least twice.

Some people think its boring so I don't mind throwing a bit of miwadi or something like that.

Sugar free of course.

red_stag wrote:Really didn't know that Micky. I need to drink more.

Don't we all !

I'm really not in shape - EDIT thats a bit of an exaggeation but not as I should be. I don't have a big frame but I have a doughy physique I want to conquer. Running has done a lot for this is recent weeks - and above all else correcting my running style has done (still a work in progress).

roddersm wrote:

red_stag wrote:Really didn't know that Micky. I need to drink more.

Don't we all !

Thirded.

red_stag wrote:

Sin é wrote: If you want to lose more weight, drink plenty of water.

Why does that help. I'm a complete dummy when it comes to this sort of thing.

It helps digestion, flushes out kidneys, helps your metabolism to work better. As well as that, a lot of the time people think they are hungry so they eat, when in fact they are thirsty and need to drink more.

Good plan is to drink a couple of glasses of water before a meal as it will make you feel fuller and so not go for the 2nd helpings!

Mickey - weightwatchers seems to be excellent. I know someone who lost 3 stone with them in a couple of months and they say they found it easy enough and have never felt healthier.

Is weightwatchers all diet based or exercise too. What I really want to do is find out more about what kind of foods I should/n't eat and the type of exercise I should do.

I always have a bottle or glass of water on the go.

red_stag wrote:Really didn't know that Micky. I need to drink more.

Hi

Just a quick drop in before I go and walk the dog. But following on from this, if you spend a day larding about on the sofa and do ABSOLUTELY nothing but surf the tv, you will use up two and a half litres of fluid through exhalation, (normal) sweating and going to the loo. Therefore one should take on board AT LEAST that amount of fluid per day. This can be got not only through drinking (water is best for this*) but also through your food intake.

If you do anything more energetic than larding on the sofa, you need to up your liquid intake.

* Many other drinks are diuretics, especially caffeine-based drinks such as tea and coffee and alcohol-based drinks. So stick to Adam's Ale.

Micky - I'm not at Glasto but U2 are on TV from about 9.45pm so I'll be there through the TV

Mickado - I see you're tagged at the last Dub Hub event pic on FB. Was it any good?

Hey not being funny or insensitive here but surely you lads are fit young athletes(well some of you )?

Why the feck do you need weightwatchers for? Losing weight isn't rocket science, just train harder and eat less?!

I know some people reach a point were they need help and some people have medical conditions but I'm really surprised that people so young are using weightwatchers.

I wouldn't sign up to Weightwatchers Rodders as I am not massively overweight. I would be in good shape with a bit of know how about eating and exercise. I am not clued in when it comes to it.

"Train harder and eat less" is something people say a lot but for example I get home from work in the evenings now and eat my dinner at about 6.30pm. 3 times this week I went running and exercising about 9.30pm and by the time I was home was very hungry. Now I know at twenty to eleven at night I shouldn't be eating meals. But more exercise means I need to eat a bit more too.

I usually always have a bottle of water with me but I definitely don't drink enough of the stuff.

When I went to see a nutritionist last year she gave me loads of fab recipies so I really know now what I should/shouldn't be eating, but she said one of the most important things was that I drink more water. She said things like tea just don't count (unless it's herbal tea). Still failing on my water drinking mission

Rodders I suggest you read about what is involved with groups like Weight Watchers before making such a general statement.

red_stag wrote:Is weightwatchers all diet based or exercise too. What I really want to do is find out more about what kind of foods I should/n't eat and the type of exercise I should do.

Not being funny here Stag, but recent nutrition research shows that the pre-Famine 19th century diet in Ireland (14lbs potatoes per man per day washed down with copious quantities of buttermilk and water) was superb for stamina, strength and general fitness!!!

Stag - if you feel hungry before you go to sleep, things like oatcakes are supposed to be really good for you, say like 20 mins before you go to bed. Or like a small bowl of porridge etc.

red_stag wrote:Is weightwatchers all diet based or exercise too. What I really want to do is find out more about what kind of foods I should/n't eat and the type of exercise I should do.

I didn't diet, just started walking a lot more. If find walking a bit boring, try Geocaching, it's an electronic treasure hunt. LDCPete got me into it last year.

red_stag wrote:Is weightwatchers all diet based or exercise too. What I really want to do is find out more about what kind of foods I should/n't eat and the type of exercise I should do.

Its everything - instead of having calories you have Points and you get a daily allowance. Food is then Pointed. Stuff thats good for you will have few points, stuff that is bad for you will have higher points. They still promote a balanced diet and they recommend that you exercise as well.

The more exercise you do, the more you can eat (as in you earn extra Points).

Have a look here. They have a home programme which might be helpful.

http://www.weightwatchers.ie/WWI_Controller.aspx?Page=1017022&S=12

Weight watchers really is all about the points you are allowed.

each food and portion have a point system. bascially you are allowed x amount of points a day depending on weight height age etc.

so if you had 30 points you could have a take away that equals that but nothing else. you can basically have what you want once you don't go over it.

you get then 49 points extra to use how you want. lots of people use them for the pub and then you can get more points from exercise etc.. I don't usually count them.

but this way they have changed it so no points in fruit well most fruit. so it encourages you to eat healthier

red_stag wrote:I wouldn't sign up to Weightwatchers Rodders as I am not massively overweight. I would be in good shape with a bit of know how about eating and exercise. I am not clued in when it comes to it.

"Train harder and eat less" is something people say a lot but for example I get home from work in the evenings now and eat my dinner at about 6.30pm. 3 times this week I went running and exercising about 9.30pm and by the time I was home was very hungry. Now I know at twenty to eleven at night I shouldn't be eating meals. But more exercise means I need to eat a bit more too.

You were probably thirsty, not hungry. Probably a good idea to drink more when you are exercising as well. Watch how the rugby players hydrate the whole time.

Cari wrote:Rodders I suggest you read about what is involved with groups like Weight Watchers before making such a general statement.

Cari. What is it about weight watchers that I am missing?

If you expend more calories than you intake then you will not gain weight. 20+ min of cardio will expend calories and use up stored body fat. Guidelines on a healthy diet can be gotten freely from any number of free sources including the WHO or your GP. The nutritional information on the majority of foods is on the side of the packaging.

I don't understand why anyone would pay weight watchers to do what they can do themselves?

Maybe they can't do it themselves, rodders. Psychology plays a part. Weightwatchers does a lot for people self esteem, which they might lack otherwise.

Your point about younger people not needing WW doesn't factor in that even young people need a helping hand in being happy with themselves sometimes.

I guess the clue is in the name WeightWATCHERS as opposed to Weightlosers ???

Stag thats normal to be hungry. It's always difficult when you train late at night but it's important to have some glygogen intake within two hours of training as it will greatly aid your recovery. Try a protein/glycogen shake if you can't eat a meal.

I have the same problem as I train at night but I try and run straight after work and then eat.

Rodders, pretty general statement to make. silly one too.

it's just as simple as that for everybody.

I play football 4 times a week. fitness isn't an issue for me. making wrong decisions after football about what I have for dinner etc is what I was getting wrong.

This offers me the structure around this. what's wrong with that if I decide to go that route instead of your one size fits all approach?

The paying part is what works for me. If I am paying the 10 euro each week, I don't want to be up in weight. Motivation is the key for me and this helps it. what's wrong with that.

roddersm wrote: I don't understand why anyone would pay weight watchers to do what they can do themselves?

Its like anything really. My mam bought a memory upgrade for her laptop on my advise. Its easy to do yourself. Just unscrew the back, pop out the old card and put in the new one. But she paid the guy in store a fee to do it.

People without the confidence or know-how to do it on their own are likely to feel more confident using an organisation like them.

red_stag wrote:

roddersm wrote: I don't understand why anyone would pay weight watchers to do what they can do themselves?

Its like anything really. My mam bought a memory upgrade for her laptop on my advise. Its easy to do yourself. Just unscrew the back, pop out the old card and put in the new one. But she paid the guy in store a fee to do it.

People without the confidence or know-how to do it on their own are likely to feel more confident using an organisation like them.

Stag, I disagree as well. I am not low on confidence or know-how. I know how to lose weight. I just go from a motivation and structure point of view. and its working.

Rodders - its not just the system they use to help people lose weight, they offer support as well. Some people find attending their meetings helpful and motivating in addition to following the programme in the same way some people attend support groups for managing other things. See Greybeards post.

It’s a horses for courses choice. Some people clearly prefer the group support that they offer, more power to them.

I need to drink more water, particularly when I’m on a session weekend. The head was lifting off me on the Saturday after the HC final, should have been on the water before the game to get my head right, then hit the sauce after. Rookie error, won’t make it again.

Mickyt which statement?

The support is fair enough but I believe it is exploitaton. It's a service the NHS should provide to clinically obese.

Micky from a scientific perspective losing weight is a one size fits all approach. It's just about implementing that into your lifestyle. 3-5 sessions of aerobic exercise a week is not that hard to fit in. Taking the stairs instead of a lift is not a big thing to do.

I take your point about motivation. That is the big thing for most people.

Hey look I'm not trying to offend anyone here. I'm sorry if I have. It is the industry that bugs me and companies like weightwatchers, not the people that use them. I totally understand that people need support to lose weight because its hard.

I just believe there are other ways, that don't line peoples pockets. It's just about educating people.

Agreed Rodders and that's why weight watchers works for me. the weight loss is the same but allows me to work out some structure and will keep implementing after I leave.

I know its the same one size fits all but people need different ways to do it.

its made a huge difference for me as I said that Exercise isn't and has never been an issue for me.

I'm four years all state for heavens sake

mickyt wrote:

red_stag wrote:

roddersm wrote: I don't understand why anyone would pay weight watchers to do what they can do themselves?

Its like anything really. My mam bought a memory upgrade for her laptop on my advise. Its easy to do yourself. Just unscrew the back, pop out the old card and put in the new one. But she paid the guy in store a fee to do it.

People without the confidence or know-how to do it on their own are likely to feel more confident using an organisation like them.

Stag, I disagree as well. I am not low on confidence or know-how. I know how to lose weight. I just go from a motivation and structure point of view. and its working.

Micky not saying its just for low confidence. Just an example.

Rodders, once you hit your target weight (based on BMI), and maintain a healthy weight, weightwaters is FREE to attend their meetings.

I think the reason weightwatchers work is because it fits into most people's lifestyle.

Sin é wrote:Rodders, once you hit your target weight (based on BMI), and maintain a healthy weight, weightwaters is FREE to attend their meetings.

I think the reason weightwatchers work is because it fits into most people's lifestyle.

Point taken about the lifestyle. But so can joining a gym, going for a run, taking up a sport (not talking about mickyt). Getting info on a healthy diet is free and easy to obtain.

BMI is a load of nonsence and a totally inaccurate way to measure someones target weight. It doesn't take into account muscle mass, bone density etc.

roddersm wrote: I believe it is exploitaton. It's a service the NHS should provide to clinically obese.

One of the problems here Rodders is the short-termism of NHS budgets. For example, when younger people fall, they tend to fall forwards putting out their hands to break the fall. Possible injury in that scenario is a broken scaphoid bone in the wrist. When unfit elderly people fall, becasue they have reduce balance, they fall sideways. This is more likely to result in a broken hip. The obvious solution is to keep elderly people fitter and more mobile. How many NHS PCTs offer fitness classes for the elderly? Yet the cost benefits of these are patently obvious.

roddersm wrote:

Sin é wrote:Rodders, once you hit your target weight (based on BMI), and maintain a healthy weight, weightwaters is FREE to attend their meetings.

I think the reason weightwatchers work is because it fits into most people's lifestyle.

Point taken about the lifestyle. But so can joining a gym, going for a run, taking up a sport (not talking about mickyt). Getting info on a healthy diet is free and easy to obtain.

BMI is a load of nonsence and a totally inaccurate way to measure someones target weight. It doesn't take into account muscle mass, bone density etc.

I agree with that. My BMI is 23.5 which is in the middle of “healthy”, I could definitely do with losing a few pounds round the middle though!

This was a problem before the budget cuts kia. The NHS is too reactive in terms of treating illness and not proactive in illness prevention. That is a seperate debate though.

Mick I guarantee most of the Irish rugby team wouldn't be getting their free weight watchers. BMI is a lazy and scientifically inaccurate way to work out is someone is over weight or not.

Mickado wrote:

roddersm wrote:

Sin é wrote:Rodders, once you hit your target weight (based on BMI), and maintain a healthy weight, weightwaters is FREE to attend their meetings.

I think the reason weightwatchers work is because it fits into most people's lifestyle.

Point taken about the lifestyle. But so can joining a gym, going for a run, taking up a sport (not talking about mickyt). Getting info on a healthy diet is free and easy to obtain.

BMI is a load of nonsence and a totally inaccurate way to measure someones target weight. It doesn't take into account muscle mass, bone density etc.

I agree with that. My BMI is 23.5 which is in the middle of “healthy”, I could definitely do with losing a few pounds round the middle though!

Cosmetic. You are probably healthy even if you want to lose a few pounds across your middle. Exercise, rather than diet should sort that out.

Rodders, for most people, BMI is a good indicator as to where they should be. If your BMI is higher than it should be, go to your doctor and get yourself checked out. If you are overweight, he will probably send you to weightwatchers.

I'm thin as a rake so I was going to stay out of this conversation, but I was bored of lurking.

I'll go back to lurking now.

Cari (sorry! Just saw your question there!)

The dubhub thing was good, it was a 30 min long radio panel show, so just like the area 22 events. 2 free pints, free finger food, good chat/debate, the chance to ask questions of the panel etc. it was good craic. The highlight for me was meeting my 2 heroes as a youngfella, Paul Curran and Jason Sherlock.

Yeh. well we can stop talking about all this weight stuff so that skinny and toned people can jump back in. (come on down Gibbo)

Fair play to Laura Robson, she's playing her heart out at the moment, 6-5 up against Sharapova in the 1st set

Sin é wrote:
Rodders, for most people, BMI is a good indicator as to where they should be. If your BMI is higher than it should be, go to your doctor and get yourself checked out. If you are overweight, he will probably send you to weightwatchers.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18283284

No it isn't sin and you will find numerous scientific studies that well tell you so. The study above says it missed over 50% of people with excess fat. BMI does not measure body fat at all therefore cannot determine if someone is healthy/overweight or not. More often than not it is misleading. It simply projects a "healthy" weight for a height. However weight can vary due to any number of factors of which body fat is just one. Remember muscle is denser than fat so healthy people with above average muscle are more likely to be classed as overweight than someone who has excess body fat.

Really, Prop? Fair play to her!