The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

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Welcome to the virtual rugby pub - a place where you can come in for a sly beverage and discuss whatever's on your mind, or just eavesdrop on the regulars if you fancy a break from all the rugby chat.

The only rule in this pub is one of mutual respect for everyone in it, oh and no defacing the Tommy Bowe photo on the bar. That's a banning offence

So pull up a chair....what'll it be?

On a positive note that Murray looks a smashing player. Is he the real deal or just a great white hope?

Reddan is a good facilitator of the style of rugby we need to play but I don't think he's a very good player. I'd certainly stick with him in the WC.

roddersm wrote:On a positive note that Murray looks a smashing player. Is he the real deal or just a great white hope?

Reddan is a good facilitator of the style of rugby we need to play but I don't think he's a very good player. I'd certainly stick with him in the WC.

Agree about Reddan. Think he's a lot poorer than many fans think but he should start in RWC. As for Murray I have wondered this myself and this is in many ways what prompted me to think about O'Leary. After the Australia game it was the young Duncan Williams who was the big hope and its not too late for him or O'Leary to steal Murrays limelight.

I'd say that Eoin Reddan is similar to Richie Rees - both are nippy and get the ball away but they're not great players.

Here’s a question (I know I asked this on the old 606) Why have Ireland never produced a “great” scrum half?

There are legends of the Irish game in every jersey bar number 9. why oh why!?

Mickado wrote:Here’s a question (I know I asked this on the old 606) Why have Ireland never produced a “great” scrum half?

There are legends of the Irish game in every jersey bar number 9. why oh why!?

Because Colin Patterson got injured

Mickado wrote:Here’s a question (I know I asked this on the old 606) Why have Ireland never produced a “great” scrum half?

Because Isaac Boss didn't get picked

there is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't have produced a "great" scrum half. There should have well been one by now.

is it a position that only the small people choose because they are not big enough for other positions.

Where as other positions alot of players tailor their training to be an expert in that position.

I think scrum half is picked by the coaches growing up and if players had the choice they would rather play somewhere else.

seems to have a best of the rest feel about that position in ireland.

I think it's just by chance that we haven't produced a great scrum half, I mean we haven't produced many greats in other positions either. I'd say one will come along eventually.

What was the name of yerman who was on the underage team that won the world championship with BOD, DOC P Wallace etc.?

Was it Ciaran Manion or something like that? He was tipped for greatness (as many are in fairness) but was badly injured and retired.

For your viewiing this weekend
https://www.606v2.com/t6249-penfro-s-tv-guide-for-the-next-few-days-updated-friday-24-06-2011-1104

roddersm wrote:I think it's just by chance that we haven't produced a great scrum half, I mean we haven't produced many greats in other positions either. I'd say one will come along eventually.

I don’t mean great in relation to the rest of the world, but there are Irish “greats” in every position.

Corrigan – Wood – Hayes
Keane – McBride
Jennings– Duggan – Slattery
?? – ROG/Kyle/Ward/Campbell
Geoghan/Hickie - Gibson – BOD – Horgan/O’Reilly
Kiernan

Each of those players could be considered Irish legends. The closet thing we have to that at SH is Stringer, who was effective but not in the same class as the others.

You're taking the pish with Jennings right?

I don't think a lot of those guys are great Mick.

Hayes, Corrigan, Jennings, ROG, Hickie and Horgan definitely shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as the other players mentioned.

Thomond wrote:You're taking the pish with Jennings right?

Of course not. Don’t be ridiculous.

I’ve left out plenty of players who fall into that category too (Paul Wallace, O’Connell, The Claw, Gallaimh etc.) But none of them are scrum halves.

Mickado wrote:What was the name of yerman who was on the underage team that won the world championship with BOD, DOC P Wallace etc.?

Was it Ciaran Manion or something like that? He was tipped for greatness (as many are in fairness) but was badly injured and retired.

Ciaran Scally. He was in the same year as BOD in Blackrock. Interesting article about him here. By the way, he got the injury that apparently finished his career in a schoolboy international against England.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/scally-wags-finger-at-lifes-cruel-hand-of-fate-377622.html

I'd say bar centre, fly- half and 2nd row we haven't produced more than one player in a position who would be classed as "great".

The fact that there's no one who stands out at 9 is not really that surprising.

roddersm wrote:I'd say bar centre, fly- half and 2nd row we haven't produced more than one player in a position who would be classed as "great".

Winger.

greybeard wrote:

roddersm wrote:I'd say bar centre, fly- half and 2nd row we haven't produced more than one player in a position who would be classed as "great".

Winger.

Two players on each wing? Look the point is we are not exactly awash with greats in every other position either and if we're going to throw players like Jennings, Horgan Hayes etc in the we may as well include stringer. However no one in their right mind would class stringer as a "great" scrum half.

Lads, whatever about Hayes and Corrigan, but ROG Hickie and Horgan are card carrying members of the Irish legend brigade.

Jennings was clearly a pishtake.

Mickado wrote:Lads, whatever about Hayes and Corrigan, but ROG Hickie and Horgan are card carrying members of the Irish legend brigade.

No they aren't Mick. Brilliant players yes but not in the sense McBride, Gibson, Kyle, BOD, O'Connell etc. were/are. All amongst the best and most respected players in the world of their era.

Right, off to the Hawksmoor for lunch

Steak steak steak steak steak

Do you mean a Legend of the Game or that loose Irish way we refer to everyone as a "legend"?

legend or 'ligind'?

I mean neither Stag, in Ireland we're prone to hyperbole, 3 pints in an hour is a good drinking pace, but it's not EPIC, 2 tries in a a great achievement game doesn't make you a LEGEND etc.

I mean in the imaginary Irish hall of fame that i just invented.

Mickado wrote:I mean in the imaginary Irish hall of fame that i just invented.

I invented one too. It was similar to yours except Paddy Wallace and Isaac Boss were in there too

rodders, we're talking about how well they are regarded in Ireland - were they standout players in the teams they played in, not in the rest of the world.

For instance, Simon Geoghegan would be considered an Irish legend - but he never got the chance to play on a Lions Tour which is where all those you mention stood out. Willie John earned his legendary status with the Lions. Same with Tony O'Reilly - brilliant for the Lion, not great for Ireland. The reason that may be is because they trained a bit more together when with the Lions back then.

Sin é wrote:rodders, we're talking about how well they are regarded in Ireland - were they standout players in the teams they played in, not in the rest of the world.

Exactly. If you (any of us) were to name your best Irish team of all time, scrum half would be the weakest position.

Sin é wrote:rodders, we're talking about how well they are regarded in Ireland - were they standout players in the teams they played in, not in the rest of the world.

If thats the case then Stringer should be included and this whole discussion is redundant.

Would Ciaran Fitz Gerald count?

Lads, a few defintion of Legend

a. An unverified story handed down from earlier times, especially one popularly believed to be historical.
b. A romanticized or popularized myth of modern times.
c. A traditional historical tale (or collection of related tales) popularly regarded as true but usually containing a mixture of fact and fiction

So you see, they can all be liginds

Seriously, I guess it's about perception in & outside the country and the ever popular "your own opinion"
For example 'global' Welsh legends would be JPR, Gareth, Barry John, ..etc, yet within Wales we'd say perphaps that these were legends - Paul Ringer (victim of cruel miscarraige of justice), Scott Gibbs (love the guy but don't think of him as a 'global' legend), Paul Thorburn (that kick !!)
Not sure if that's helped you guys really, but as I say - just an opinion

PenfroPete wrote:Paul Thorburn (that kick !!)

That kick was, to be honest, ligindary

Ciaran Fitz was a hooker, not a scrumhalf.

I think Colin Patterson would be regarded as the best Irish scrumhalf (and he made a Lions tour). Still, he only got 11 caps for Ireland. The there was Michael Bradley (40 caps).

Stringer may not be regarded as being a top class player, but he sure as heck must have had something to win 98 caps for Ireland over the last 11 years and he has been involved in some great wins for Ireland.

No one can touch Stringer for bossing his pack and keeping them all on their toes.

Fiar play Pete for getting the definition of a legend. I don't think Mickado is claiming legendary status as say "world class". its just their stature in the country for rugby team club/country/lions.

In other news, I think losing weight is effecting my level I can drink. Last Saturday had 6 pints and that was the first time where the misus felt she I was drunk.. said she has seen me have 3 times that and still not feel like I was drunk.

Had 3 last night and felt tipsy. Strange only lost a blydi stone and half.. dag namit.

Pete, I agree. That’s what I’m getting at. Although Ireland have had some global legends like McBride, Duggan, BOD, Wood etc. the players in the team I named are more like local legends.

Micky, you'll whittle yourself away down to the stage where one glass of wine and your anyones

Apologies for anyone offended by my remarks last night. I did genuinely say 'post 35 hotties' did I? I am a hormonal disgrace.

Cheap date Micko. Handy out.

Fiona hadn't seen you jarred before? Jeysus, she should have been in Cardiff on the Friday.

PenfroPete wrote:Lads, a few defintion of Legend

b. A romanticized or popularized myth of modern times.

We used that exact definition when Archie Norma introduced "Legendary Customer Service" at Asda (note no trailing "s" )

Mickyt how quickly have you lost the weight? If you've lost it quickly then dehydration could affect your alcohol tolerance.

Also I find when I train alot my alcohol tolerence really drops.

Mickado wrote:Cheap date Micko. Handy out.

Fiona hadn't seen you jarred before? Jeysus, she should have been in Cardiff on the Friday.

Just what I was thinking. Sicky/StinkyT

ha I know. Well we all have a "girlfriend jarred".

she has heard stories but just says I am quite good at hiding it when I need to.

Stag, are you flirting with me?

WillyGilly wrote:Apologies for anyone offended by my remarks last night. I did genuinely say 'post 35 hotties' did I? I am a hormonal disgrace.

I think "tipsy hormonal disgrace" is more appropriate.

red_stag wrote:

Mickado wrote:Cheap date Micko. Handy out.

Fiona hadn't seen you jarred before? Jeysus, she should have been in Cardiff on the Friday.

Just what I was thinking. Sicky/StinkyT

This is a seperate condition. I spent ages perfecting myself to get sick with you lot just so I can keep that name

and what you talking about stinky t? are you referring to me f@rting in the pub? because I DON'T FART IN PUBLIC.. GRRRRRR

mickyt wrote:Stag, are you flirting with me?

Depends how much you've had to drink.

red_stag wrote:Micky, you'll whittle yourself away down to the stage where one glass of wine and your anyones

Bit like Kado then :run2:

roddersm wrote:Mickyt how quickly have you lost the weight? If you've lost it quickly then dehydration could affect your alcohol tolerance.

Also I find when I train alot my alcohol tolerence really drops.

Probably right Rodder

its more or less been 5 weeks that I have lost it. with the lost week of Cardiff in between. maybe 6.

In vino veritas, Willy

you don't need to get me drunk to flirt my man. I have woken up hung over in your bed before... (totally out of context)

mickyt wrote:

roddersm wrote:Mickyt how quickly have you lost the weight? If you've lost it quickly then dehydration could affect your alcohol tolerance.

Also I find when I train alot my alcohol tolerence really drops.

Probably right Rodder

its more or less been 5 weeks that I have lost it. with the lost week of Cardiff in between. maybe 6.

Micky, Were you off the booze as well when losing the weight? Are you not drinking at least 2 litres of water/liquid a day?
If you want to lose more weight, drink plenty of water.

mickyt wrote:

In other news, I think losing weight is effecting my level I can drink. Last Saturday had 6 pints and that was the first time where the misus felt she I was drunk.. said she has seen me have 3 times that and still not feel like I was drunk.

Had 3 last night and felt tipsy. Strange only lost a blydi stone and half.. dag namit.

I lost over 2 stones in 3 months last year and noticed I became tipsy a bit quicker. Tolerance soon built back up though.