The Dew Drop Inn Virtual Rugby Pub

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:58 pm

First topic message reminder :

Welcome to the virtual rugby pub - a place where you can come in for a sly beverage and discuss whatever's on your mind, or just eavesdrop on the regulars if you fancy a break from all the rugby chat.

The only rule in this pub is one of mutual respect for everyone in it, oh and no defacing the Tommy Bowe photo on the bar. That's a banning offence

So pull up a chair....what'll it be?

Ale

Last Pub: https://www.606v2.com/t10923p950-the-dew-drop-inn-virtual-rugby-pub#353840

by MBTGOG Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:42 am

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:
MBTGOG wrote:
Notch wrote:
roddersm wrote:
nottins wrote:
But surely a great performance should actually lead to a win

Not necessarily but thats a different debate. Sometimes they go hand in hand but there are other factors that influence a result beyond the performance like luck, the referee, the opposition performance,individual error, the bounce of the ball etc.

My definition of a great performance is one when you leave the stadium thinking; nothing could have changed the result today. Not only beating a team, but beating them entirely convincingly so that the losing side can have zero complaints about the result regardless of any of those factors you list. Whether you are on the receiving end or you are the delighted victor, it's clear that everything went well and the winning side dominated the game to a certain extent.

What happens where your team probably plays the best game it ever has yet still loses because the other team is just better?
That's called Scotland rugby

by **Ozzy3213** Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:50 am

Right, tooth is out, bleeding loads and very uncomfortable.

Now, I've not been in much recently, and am feeling that I have missed something.

Portnoy appears to have a serious monk on again with the pub, and am I right in thinking that Rava has disappeared for some reason?

Can anyone enlighten me please?

by Thomond Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:52 am

Portnoy,is well being Portnoy. Rava,left as he didn't like the direction the place was going in. He was talking about the arguments in here recently and I think he felt that a clique was being formed.

by MBTGOG Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:53 am

Rava wrote:This will be my last ever post in this Pub.

Since the move from the BBC forum the overall theme in the pub has changed from one of general rugby chat interspersed with some interesting conversations and a bit of light-hearted banter. Overall the pub regulars seemed to get on very well and I think this was evident when we (most of us) met up in Cardiff.
Lately there has been too much niggle going on. People picking up on a "tone" in a written post?? And generally a lack of good rugby debate. There are too many Moderators/Administrators who are now "regs" and I can only see disaster ahead. It is not for me to make personal judgements but I would say to the Mods in here - be very careful and ensure you are always impartial. I haven't been posting a lot over the past while but I have been reading a lot and really don't like where this place is heading.

I have made a lot of very good friends from my time on BBC and in here. Some of you will be friends for life and will go beyond rugby chat. I would hate to get involved in debates that might jepordise any of these friendships.

I will keep in touch via facebook and personal messaging and if any of you want to contact me please use these means.

Please, please be careful where you are heading with this forum.

to you all.

Here you go Pete.

by **Notch** Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:57 am

MBTGOG wrote:
Notch wrote:
roddersm wrote:
nottins wrote:
But surely a great performance should actually lead to a win

Not necessarily but thats a different debate. Sometimes they go hand in hand but there are other factors that influence a result beyond the performance like luck, the referee, the opposition performance,individual error, the bounce of the ball etc.

My definition of a great performance is one when you leave the stadium thinking; nothing could have changed the result today. Not only beating a team, but beating them entirely convincingly so that the losing side can have zero complaints about the result regardless of any of those factors you list. Whether you are on the receiving end or you are the delighted victor, it's clear that everything went well and the winning side dominated the game to a certain extent.

What happens where your team probably plays the best game it ever has yet still loses because the other team is just better?

We're talking in the context of the top 5/6 test nations here. You know, if Connacht were to go over to Toulouse and lose by a single point we could say that was a great performance. Even in Ireland were to lose by a super-fine margin in New Zealand we could maybe say that.

But generally, I think in the test arena everybody is capable of beating everybody else. I actually do think we played very well against New Zealand a few times. But we did let ourselves down as well with a few individual and collective errors.

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:58 am

"The official close of play has been moved to 1827, with room to push on to 1857 if the overs are not completed. That's 1827 as in the time, rather than England's total." Laugh

by Glas a du Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:58 am

I would hate to get involved in debates that might jepordise any of these friendships.

I guess that meant he didn't feel he could be honest without causing a rumpus, and if you can't be honest then what's the point?

by **Ozzy3213** Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:59 am

Thanks for that Munsty. Saddens me that does Sad

by **rodders** Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:02 pm

Notch wrote: Even in Ireland were to lose by a super-fine margin in New Zealand we could maybe say that.

ahem...that's what I said before and you disagreed? Headscratch

by Glas a du Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:02 pm

Don't Pete, a morose Lucky was hard enough to deal with. He hasn't died he's just...gone away for a bit that's all...maybe more than a bit...but don't worry you will see him again in a lovely place...etc.

by Thomond Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:02 pm

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/cork-makes-european-top-10-516261.html#ixzz1UnqOqgws

For those who mock Cork.

by MBTGOG Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:03 pm

Glas a du wrote:
I would hate to get involved in debates that might jepordise any of these friendships.

I guess that meant he didn't feel he could be honest without causing a rumpus, and if you can't be honest then what's the point?

There is such a thing as being unnecessarily honest though. Not everything needs to be said. Discretion is important.

by MBTGOG Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:04 pm

LDCPete wrote:Thanks for that Munsty. Saddens me that does

Same here but as I said, it's up to us to make this pub what it is rather than just stop posting.

Remember like during the Lions Tour and our "Take Back the Boards" effort?

by Guest Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:06 pm

Does Portnoy have a beef? I've not seen that.

Anyway, if I have passed my exam, I have been asked to play for Risca firsts tonight v Ebbw Vale. Ebbw Vale are not too bad a side (as most of you will know) and I've not played for the firsts for at least 6 years. I'm going to tear it up (exam permitting).

Did I mention I'm in a hospitality box for the Wales v England game tomorrow? Wink

Munster, maybe the atmosphere was better when we were squabbling, you jackass Wink

by MBTGOG Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:07 pm

Notch wrote:
MBTGOG wrote:
Notch wrote:
roddersm wrote:
nottins wrote:
But surely a great performance should actually lead to a win

Not necessarily but thats a different debate. Sometimes they go hand in hand but there are other factors that influence a result beyond the performance like luck, the referee, the opposition performance,individual error, the bounce of the ball etc.

My definition of a great performance is one when you leave the stadium thinking; nothing could have changed the result today. Not only beating a team, but beating them entirely convincingly so that the losing side can have zero complaints about the result regardless of any of those factors you list. Whether you are on the receiving end or you are the delighted victor, it's clear that everything went well and the winning side dominated the game to a certain extent.

What happens where your team probably plays the best game it ever has yet still loses because the other team is just better?

We're talking in the context of the top 5/6 test nations here. You know, if Connacht were to go over to Toulouse and lose by a single point we could say that was a great performance. Even in Ireland were to lose by a super-fine margin in New Zealand we could maybe say that.

But generally, I think in the test arena everybody is capable of beating everybody else. I actually do think we played very well against New Zealand a few times. But we did let ourselves down as well with a few individual and collective errors.

There are always going to be errors though.

We might be talking about the top 5/6 Test nations here but the difference between us and New Zealand is still vast no matter what we'd like to think. Like the game in Novemeber where we played pretty damn well yet we still lost quite convincingly.

by **Notch** Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:07 pm

roddersm wrote:
Notch wrote: Even in Ireland were to lose by a super-fine margin in New Zealand we could maybe say that.

ahem...that's what I said before and you disagreed?

No, you quoted specific examples which I disagreed with. I don't necessarily disagree with you in theory.

by MBTGOG Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:09 pm

Thomond wrote:http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/cork-makes-european-top-10-516261.html#ixzz1UnqOqgws

For those who mock Cork.

It's not the place or the building, it's the people who inhabit it which is the problem Wink

by nottins Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:10 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:
MBTGOG wrote:What happens where your team probably plays the best game it ever has yet still loses because the other team is just better?
That's called Scotland rugby

by greybeard Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:10 pm

Notch wrote:
roddersm wrote:
Notch wrote: Even in Ireland were to lose by a super-fine margin in New Zealand we could maybe say that.

ahem...that's what I said before and you disagreed?

No, you quoted specific examples which I disagreed with. I don't necessarily disagree with you in theory.

That just reminded me of the Morcambe & Wise sketch with Andre Preview.

"I'm playing all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order"

by Thomond Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:12 pm

We'll just forget about all those nasty men in Limerick so Munsty.

by MBTGOG Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:14 pm

Thomond wrote:We'll just forget about all those nasty men in Limerick so Munsty.

Yeah but even if you do that it's still not that nice a place.

We're also, allegedly, the most most violent city in Europe. I don't believe that myself but I saw it on the Chris Moyles show on Channel 4 last night.

by Guest Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:17 pm

Am I on everybody's foe list or something?

I thought talking about me playing rugby tonight might have warranted a good luck or something. You can all shove it now Wink

by nottins Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:18 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:"The official close of play has been moved to 1827, with room to push on to 1857 if the overs are not completed. That's 1827 as in the time, rather than England's total."

Do you think England will bat through until tea and then put India in ?

by Thomond Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:19 pm

Good luck Rev. Munsty,Limerick is a nice city and the people are generally good.

by nottins Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:19 pm

Risca Rev wrote:Am I on everybody's foe list or something?

I thought talking about me playing rugby tonight might have warranted a good luck or something. You can all shove it now

Break a leg Rev. And luck bar steward with the hospitality, make the most of it Yahoo

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:19 pm

LDCPete wrote:Thanks for that Munsty. Saddens me that does

Pete, don't be too despondent - the old place on v1 got on top of me at one point and I took a break, but much to everyone's relief I came back again! Laugh

Hopefully the same will happen with Rava

"Ian is my name. I am the most wanted man on my island, except I'm not on my island, of course."

Braveheart

by MBTGOG Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:23 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:
LDCPete wrote:Thanks for that Munsty. Saddens me that does
Pete, don't be too despondent - the old place on v1 got on top of me at one point and I took a break, but much to everyone's relief I came back again! Hopefully the same will happen with Rava "Ian is my name. I am the most wanted man on my island, except I'm not on my island, of course."

Yeah I got tired of it at times on the old one as well. At different times there are more prominent posters but it changes as does everything else.

by AsLongAsBut100ofUs Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:24 pm

Risca Rev wrote:Does Portnoy have a beef? I've not seen that.

Anyway, if I have passed my exam, I have been asked to play for Risca firsts tonight v Ebbw Vale. Ebbw Vale are not too bad a side (as most of you will know) and I've not played for the firsts for at least 6 years. I'm going to tear it up (exam permitting).

Did I mention I'm in a hospitality box for the Wales v England game tomorrow?

Munster, maybe the atmosphere was better when we were squabbling, you jackass

Fair play, Rev, I've ignored you for long enough, hopefully you've got the message!! Wink

Good luck tonite, bud, that's a v good standard

by **Pal Joey** Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:25 pm

Risca Rev wrote:Am I on everybody's foe list or something?

I thought talking about me playing rugby tonight might have warranted a good luck or something. You can all shove it now

Sorry Risca... was just getting my head around the other comments about Cork and Limerick...

Shove it hard during the game furious

and enjoy the hospitality box tomorrow. Bubbly

by Guest Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:28 pm

AsLongAsBut100ofUs wrote:
LDCPete wrote:Thanks for that Munsty. Saddens me that does
Pete, don't be too despondent - the old place on v1 got on top of me at one point and I took a break, but much to everyone's relief I came back again! Hopefully the same will happen with Rava "Ian is my name. I am the most wanted man on my island, except I'm not on my island, of course."

Both places get/got on my wick a lot of the time. I'm generally on the outside of most conversations if I'm honest, so it's nice for me to take a break too. Probably due another one soon.

I was relieved you came back though. It isn't a bad standard really As. A long way out of my comfort zone of Risca 2nds definitely.

Cheers Thom, Line and Nottins.

I know I kid on about being ignored, but I do understand that conversations happen around my posts. My timing is all wrong.

by MBTGOG Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:29 pm

Thomond wrote:Good luck Rev. Munsty,Limerick is a nice city and the people are generally good.

Oh I know that. Reputations and stereotypes are hard to be rid of especially when the media love to play them up.

by Portnoy Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:39 pm

LDCPete wrote:Right, tooth is out, bleeding loads and very uncomfortable.

Now, I've not been in much recently, and am feeling that I have missed something.

Portnoy appears to have a serious monk on again with the pub, and am I right in thinking that Rava has disappeared for some reason?

Can anyone enlighten me please?

Portnoy's 'monk' was catalysed by Rava's departure Pete.

Still no doubt the body will continue to survive whilst the soul has long departed...

by MBTGOG Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:46 pm

Portnoy wrote:
LDCPete wrote:Right, tooth is out, bleeding loads and very uncomfortable.

Now, I've not been in much recently, and am feeling that I have missed something.

Portnoy appears to have a serious monk on again with the pub, and am I right in thinking that Rava has disappeared for some reason?

Can anyone enlighten me please?

Portnoy's 'monk' was catalysed by Rava's departure Pete.

Still no doubt the body will continue to survive whilst the soul has long departed...

You really can be quite insulting at times you know that?

by mickyt Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:06 pm

Thomond wrote:http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/cork-makes-european-top-10-516261.html#ixzz1UnqOqgws

For those who mock Cork.

Must have spelt Dublin wrong

by Thomond Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:08 pm

Micky,it's a top 10 of best places in Europe. Not the list of top 10 shoiteholes Wink

by mickyt Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:16 pm

burnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

not cool Smile

by PenfroPete Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:16 pm

Risca Rev wrote: I have been asked to play for Risca firsts tonight v Ebbw Vale. Did I mention I'm in a hospitality box for the Wales v England game tomorrow?

Rev that is absolutely awesome news clap

be carefully you don't get injured the night before though Whistle

by Thomond Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:18 pm

Newport would have made it to number one though judging for m the Welsh people's comments on it.

by PenfroPete Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:21 pm

Thomond wrote:Newport would have made it to number one though judging for m the Welsh people's comments on it.

Get serious Thom, everybody knows that Merthyr is the #1 sh!tehole in Wales, Newport comes in a very poor 2nd Wink

by MBTGOG Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:33 pm

mickyt wrote:burnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

not cool

True that. Fan of Tallaght myself actually after being very well looked after there.

by Luckless Pedestrian Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:33 pm

Have a good game, Rev!

Newport is lush. FACT. Deal with it.

by MBTGOG Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:47 pm

For anyone interested-

https://www.606v2.com/t11443-fiji-team-for-first-tonga-test

by Luckless Pedestrian Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:00 pm

I've just shaken hands with and said goodbye to someone who's finishing work here today. It's the strangest feeling to say goodbye to someone you may never see again, when you've seen them every day at work for so long.

by Glas a du Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:08 pm

by **Notch** Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:15 pm

Yeah, it's weird isn't it lucky? Very similar to myself finishing my undergraduate degree. Except we got to have a big urine-up and burn some meat.

In the States, at my brothers workplace, they just turn up on the day with two security guards and a HR bot when redundancy is on the cards. You're escorted from the building under their strict supervision and given two weeks paid leave rather than being served with any kind of notice in advance.

by Luckless Pedestrian Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:17 pm

Notch, I remember talking to people from my course after our last exam. It's not enjoyable. I saw most of them at our graduation ceremony but it wasn't the same.

by **Notch** Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:21 pm

luckless_pedestrian wrote:Notch, I remember talking to people from my course after our last exam. It's not enjoyable. I saw most of them at our graduation ceremony but it wasn't the same.

Indeed. I found graduation to be a really weird experience. Kind of surreal. Didn't fell like a landmark. When I got my results back was the big moment. By the time the ceremony came around I had already moved on in my head.

by MBTGOG Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:21 pm

It's a weird feeling saying goodbye and knowing something, however small has ended. Something I have always struggled with personally.

by Luckless Pedestrian Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:23 pm

I remember my last day at school making a conscious effort to remember everything about it, from the bus there to the bus home.

by greybeard Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:25 pm

I went to my 10 year school reunion. I couldn't remember half of the names of the kids I had spent my entire young life with.

20 years coming up next year. I don't think I'll even bother going.

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